Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[StormC]

Shower thought: You guys think we’ll get a new announcer next game?

The last announcer made the jump from 4 to Ultimate because development started so quickly after 4’s dlc ended, so they kept working with the same people. It was the first time a smash game kept the announcer from the last installment, if I recall correctly.

Seeing as how the next smash will almost certainly have a new team on the game, I wonder if they’ll just get a new guy. Xander Mobus’s voice has become very iconic though, so I could see them getting him back.

Depends but it certainly makes things easier to reuse Xander's line readings than having to record again for dozens of characters.

 

[Idon]

Depends but it certainly makes things easier to reuse Xander's line readings than having to record again for dozens of characters.

I highly doubt the combined word total of a page of text is going to be a factor of consideration for them. Whether they choose to use Xander again or not is going to depend entirely on creative decision.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Alright Pokemon experts why is Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres together in a single legendary spirit? Inquiring minds want to know!

Because they're all part of the same Legendary trio.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Why's that?

It just fits his MO better. He just kinda...shows up out of nowhere, you mostly just keep away from him or else he wastes you, and then he goes away. Just like an AT.

 

[Sucumbio]

Because they're all part of the same Legendary trio.

Thank you! Nicely done now I have to read up on Legendary duos, trios, quarters, quintets... Fascinating stuff!

 

[fogbadge]

Thank you! Nicely done now I have to read up on Legendary duos, trios, quarters, quintets... Fascinating stuff!

have you never played Pokemon?

 

[Sucumbio]

have you never played Pokemon?

I've played several and am still watching the show but I'm not too well versed in all the lore and my memory isn't what it used to be so there's a strong chance I already knew some of these stories and just forgot lol.

 

[Oracle Link]

On the topic of bosses if they make them a bit more mobile and fun to play as (basically like Giga bowser) I would love seeing them playable! Not normally of course but in a new mode i call unfair smash!
Unfair smash allows you to pick Bosses, enemys, some Ats and every single effect! and you can freely and unfairly distribute lives!
Basically imagine it as a DIY Spirit Battle!
Link, Zelda and Toonlink vs Giant Metal Ganon(dorf)
Mario vs 100 Goombas
Kirby vs Chef kawasaki and Knuckle Joe
To name a few possibilities!
I want more fighting games to realize the full Sandbox potential they inherently have!

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Another Smash Bros Reboot video thrown into the ring.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Another Smash Bros Reboot video thrown into the ring.

I won't watch the full videos, just fighters and stages real quick.

His roster is fairly good tbh considering his sizes. The first parties aren't super original, it's mostly what you would expect, with the only "surprise" pick being excitebike, but with only 6 first parties newcomers I can understand not having a truly surprising picks. The third party selection is really weak tho. Imo having Nahobino as the second Sega rep instead of Bayonetta make little sense when she just had a new game, and I disagree with Monster hunter taking Mega Man spot, although I can understand that if you specifically going with revelancy, they would go with MH. Bomberman is pretty cool.

For the stages he doesn't give a specific lists (I was hoping he would do but wathever), but I don't really understand why he wants so little of them. 20-30 them is awfully small even for a "reboot". Melee had 29 stages and Brawl had 35. Realistically even with a huge reboot I don't see them going with less than 40 stages (Smash wii U had around 45 stages). His roster have 28 different franchises represented (including the Miis), so a 20-30 stages list would mean that in the best case each franchise gets 1 stage + Battlefield and FD, and in the worst cases 10 franchises doesn't even get stages if you include FD and Battlefield.

 

[Louie G.]

Another Smash Bros Reboot video thrown into the ring.

I know the focus of the video isn't the roster, but I just have to complain about the one thing I keep seeing that bugs me to no end. Kind of just as a general statement really, and I've said it before but just have to reiterate lmao.

You have these rosters that claim they want to dial it back and focus on Nintendo, and add the "obvious Nintendo characters", but they just toss away the most popular character they've created in two decades () and the only new Switch IP added in Ultimate (). To put it bluntly, if that is your mantra and then you make this decision, you're doing it wrong. Adding new Xenoblade, Fire Emblem and Pokemon is an easy and temporary bandaid to say you're keeping it modern but neglecting the wider scope of what's important and fresh makes it all feel like one step forward two steps back. There are other ways to keep a roster contemporary and I don't think enough people have cracked the code yet. We are not getting 4 DK and Kirby characters and then reverting to one Animal Crossing character.

In all fairness to the rest of the video though, I enjoy his ideas. Giving characters the best fitting option of Board the Platforms, Break the Targets etc is an inspired compromise which I like quite a lot. I would eat "Artifacts" up like crazy, fun new spin on the collectible format although I would still like to see trophies return in one way or another. Maybe just for the fighters. Assist Smash sounds dope too. This is clearly the area he put the most thought into, by his own admission, so I don't want to completely neglect it and I agree with many of his priorities.

And I would even compliment a couple roster decisions. Mainly his Pokemon lineup... I don't agree with it, but I think he's bold for doing so. Like I find it difficult to believe Charizard will ever be cut, and I'd rather keep Mewtwo, but if he's cracked the code to keep Incineroar around I won't complain very much.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

So out of the reboot videos and ideas, which ones do you guys feel is ideal?

I haven't this reboot video yet but the dude has made good Smash videos

 

[Curious Villager]

As far as canceled characters go, with all due respect to Miyamoto's wishes... its time for WaPeach.

I mean, for all intends and purposes, wouldn't "WaPeach" basically be Captain Syrup?

Spoiler

Both named after a type of food, a greedy Pirate instead of a fair Princess, scams Wario instead of rewarding him and is basically his main rival instead of ally (In the Wario Land games at least)

 

[Ivander]

I mean, for all intends and purposes, wouldn't "WaPeach" basically be Captain Syrup?

Spoiler

A greedy Pirate instead of a fair Princess, scams Wario instead of rewarding him and is basically his main rival instead of ally (In the Wario Land games at least)

I think when they want "WaPeach", they want somebody who has similarities to Peach design-wise, but has a more "evil" personality, like how Wario and Waluigi are similar looking to Mario and Luigi, but obviously have a more quote-on-quote "evil" personality. Obviously part of this is because of people want to see the "idea of WaPeach" come to life, like some other concepts that didn't happen as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if another part of it is because of Bowsette.

That said, Captain Syrup should definitely be brought back regardless, much like how some other Mario, and Wario, spin-off characters should be brought/referenced in the main Mario games. Seriously, it makes me sad on how many fun characters from the Mario spin-offs and Wario games get ignored just because they aren't in the main series.

 

[Curious Villager]

I think when they want "WaPeach", they want somebody who has similarities to Peach design-wise, but has a more "evil" personality, like how Wario and Waluigi are similar looking to Mario and Luigi, but obviously have a more quote-on-quote "evil" personality. Obviously part of this is because of people want to see the "idea of WaPeach" come to life, like some other concepts that didn't happen as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if another part of it is because of Bowsette.

That said, Captain Syrup should definitely be brought back regardless, much like how some other Mario, and Wario, spin-off characters should be brought/referenced in the main Mario games. Seriously, it makes me sad on how many fun characters from the Mario spin-offs and Wario games get ignored just because they aren't in the main series.

I suppose so, though I think her more "modern" (Putting in quotations seeing as how long ago Wario Land Shake it came out...) redesign does make her look more like an evil Peach as well, just in a pirate costume instead of a princess dress, but maybe that's just me...

The alternative would be walking more under the "Bowsette" meme territory which I'm not sure Nintendo would want to bring that memory back from its grave again...

 

[Kirbeh]

So out of the reboot videos and ideas, which ones do you guys feel is ideal?

I haven't this reboot video yet but the dude has made good Smash videos

Probably the one you just posted, I guess. Obviously, I don't agree with some of the roster decisions (but let's be real, no one will ever come to an agreement on that.) That said, I think it's a better roster than a lot of other proposals I've seen, moreover the actual ideas presented for the rest of the game are pretty good. Despite his own claims of potentially being too much, this is still a more reasonable scope that what others might propose.

I've yet to see a "reboot" video where I was onboard with everything. In most cases I find myself disagreeing with a lot of proposals (Delthezin's most recent video, the Duke of Dorks reboot video, etc.) I'm mostly down for doggifu's ideas though, so I'd say his is the most "ideal".

I suppose so, though I think her more "modern" (Putting in quotations seeing as how long ago Wario Land Shake it came out...) redesign does make her look more like an evil Peach as well, just in a pirate costume instead of a princess dress, but maybe that's just me...

The alternative would be walking more under the "Bowsette" meme territory which I'm not sure Nintendo would want to bring that memory back from its grave again...

If we're talking Syrup again, I do stand by her filling that role quite well and want her to be brought into the main cast, at least spin off wise.

As for a "bowsette" type character, it'd be a great idea, but Nintendo are cowards.

 

[Ivander]

I suppose so, though I think her more "modern" (Putting in quotations seeing as how long ago Wario Land Shake it came out...) redesign does make her look more like an evil Peach as well, just in a pirate costume instead of a princess dress, but maybe that's just me...

The alternative would be walking more under the "Bowsette" meme territory which I'm not sure Nintendo would want to bring that memory back from its grave again...

As much as it was a weird time, considering how Bowsette actually ended up giving Nintendo extra stock, I would be surprised if they didn't look into doing something similar to her. They may do their own thing for the most part, but they are still attentive to moments that get and have people's attention.

 

[Oracle Link]

The fact that the roster has 4 DK Reps and only 3 Zelda ones !
If i were Sakurai instead of listening to all smash players for everything i would listen to kirby Fans for kirby to zelda Fans For Zelda etc.!
And I can just imagine the horror There is a zelda Vote with Toon, Young Link and sheik and not only do the link votes get split Smash FAns want their Baby Sheik and we end up with the one time wonder Sheik instead of the Much beloved Toon Link!
Like if you cut one Zelda Character its Young Link if you cut two its Young Link and Sheik! End of disscusion! (And i have a smol Link Profile pic so my opinion is the most valid)

 

[StormC]

I highly doubt the combined word total of a page of text is going to be a factor of consideration for them. Whether they choose to use Xander again or not is going to depend entirely on creative decision.

Xander does the readings for both English and Japanese, it’s certainly a factor. Smash has been all about making the most out of reusable assets since at least Smash 4, arguably Brawl.

 

[Curious Villager]

If we're talking Syrup again, I do stand by her filling that role quite well and want her to be brought into the main cast, at least spin off wise.

As for a "bowsette" type character, it'd be a great idea, but Nintendo are cowards.

I could see Nintendo potentially revisiting Syrup again at some point in the future, much like they did with Pauline, if nothing else but to have an additional female villain in the Mario cast (besides Wendy Koopa) since I recall how one of the dev's talked about wanting to give more choices in that area for the games, which is why Daisy was included in Mario Wonder.

Xander does the readings for both English and Japanese, it’s certainly a factor. Smash has been all about making the most out of reusable assets since at least Smash 4, arguably Brawl.

Keep also in mind that Xander was also asked to record a bunch more names than what where actually included in the game, including names and characters that never made it into the game just to make sure even he wouldn't know who actually made it in.

Whether it be him or someone new, they might need to do some rerecordings anyway for the number of brand new characters that have come along since Smash 4/Ultimate came out, whether they'd actually use them or not.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Imo having Nahobino as the second Sega rep instead of Bayonetta make little sense when she just had a new game

That, and the fact that nobody cares about Nahobino.

The 2nd Sega rep should be Kiryu. Like A Dragon has become hugely popular in the last 5 years.

 

[RileyXY1]

That, and the fact that nobody cares about Nahobino.

The 2nd Sega rep should be Kiryu. Like A Dragon has become hugely popular in the last 5 years.

Unfortunately according to his creator he will never be playable in Smash unless the devs decide to go for an all-male roster.

 

[Schnee117]

Unfortunately according to his creator he will never be playable in Smash unless the devs decide to go for an all-male roster.

He didn't have problems with Kiryu punching women in PXZ2
Also Nagoshi isn't at Sega anymore

As has been mentioned the last time this came up.

 

[Opossum]

Also like...common sense would tell you it was specifically in the context of games like Tekken. Smash Bros isn't even seen as a fighting game by a lot of people. Contextually it isn't the same at all.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Unfortunately according to his creator he will never be playable in Smash unless the devs decide to go for an all-male roster.

His creator is gone from Sega now. So it's not his decision anymore.

So out of the reboot videos and ideas, which ones do you guys feel is ideal?

There's no such thing as an ideal reboot idea.

The ideal is "Everyone is Here! Forever!"

 

[Sucumbio]

I have to admit when the original Mortal Kombat ended up with that huge rostered special edition on PlayStation not only did I buy it despite having all the SNES carts still but I loved all the possible matchups and iirc there was a code that randomly transformed you through the cast every 10 seconds or so. Oooo what if the MK team works on the Next Smash instead of Namco. Nya! ^^

 

[SPEN18]

Another Smash Bros Reboot video thrown into the ring.

Just commenting on the roster, didn't actually watch the video

Charizard and Isabelle are the most glaring omissions. Obviously I could nitpick a ton more but even with only 50 characters I think these two are practically guaranteed. I do think the actual roster we get will be a little bigger than this; that would allow this roster to fit a few more fan-favorite vets like say Jr, Ike, Mac, Wii Fit Trainer.

As for newcomers, again there's a lot that could be said. But the main thing is that seeing rosters like these emphasizes how much people underestimate Zelda, Splatoon, and Animal Crossing for unique newcomer spots. I mean, I understand why people gravitate towards the perceived "safe" PKMN/FE/Xeno trio but Zelda, Splatoon, and AC feel like layups for newcomers if we're thinking beyond simple pattern-searching. Also I don't think we'd get 3 third party newcomers in a roster this size, more like 1-2.

 

[Noipoi]

I don't think we'll go back down to like, 50 characters. Around 60-ish, not counting DLC, sounds about right to me.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Idk about 60 seems too much. Brawl-4 sizes are ideal pre-DLC

There's no such thing as an ideal reboot idea.

The ideal is "Everyone is Here! Forever!"

More of pipe-dream than ideal tbf

 

[Wonder Smash]

I've been thinking, just like how Namco is working with Nintendo on the Smash Bros series, I wonder if Capcom would work with SEGA on a crossover series of their own? Make a SEGA crossover fighting game series in a Power Stone-style, done by Capcom themselves?

That would be cool! After all those crossovers they did so far, I don't know they won't just go for a fighting game again.

 

[RileyXY1]

Just commenting on the roster, didn't actually watch the video

Charizard and Isabelle are the most glaring omissions. Obviously I could nitpick a ton more but even with only 50 characters I think these two are practically guaranteed. I do think the actual roster we get will be a little bigger than this; that would allow this roster to fit a few more fan-favorite vets like say Jr, Ike, Mac, Wii Fit Trainer.

As for newcomers, again there's a lot that could be said. But the main thing is that seeing rosters like these emphasizes how much people underestimate Zelda, Splatoon, and Animal Crossing for unique newcomer spots. I mean, I understand why people gravitate towards the perceived "safe" PKMN/FE/Xeno trio but Zelda, Splatoon, and AC feel like layups for newcomers if we're thinking beyond simple pattern-searching. Also I don't think we'd get 3 third party newcomers in a roster this size, more like 1-2.

When it comes to Animal Crossing due to it being a life simulation game there isn't much to work with in regards to a moveset, and Isabelle had to use moves copied over from Villager. I think that this is why they're not typically focusing on AC in regards to moveset.

 

[Opossum]

When it comes to Animal Crossing due to it being a life simulation game there isn't much to work with in regards to a moveset, and Isabelle had to use moves copied over from Villager. I think that this is why they're not typically focusing on AC in regards to moveset.

People have posted numerous times about how folks Tom Nook, KK Slider, and Blathers can work. You just refuse to listen for whatever reason. Different thread, same song and dance.

 

[Noipoi]

There's no such thing as an ideal reboot idea.

The ideal is "Everyone is Here! Forever!"

Well yeah, that would be ideal. Just like my ideal would be living in a mansion on an island playing Pokemon while Salma Hayek rubs my shoulders.

But we gotta operate in the realms of reality

 

[Perkilator]

I'm definitely on board with the idea of K.K. Slider as a bard-type character in Smash. After doing some research, I also have a pretty good idea of what to make his alts:

1. Default
2. Amiibo Festival Lv. 2 outfit
3. Amiibo Festival Lv. 3 outfit
4. Amiibo Festival Lv. 4 outfit
5. Amiibo Festival Lv. 5 outfit
6. Amiibo Festival Lv. 6 outfit
7. Santa hat
8. Tour Tee shirt

 

[Noipoi]

Add Mr. Resetti.

He's got a lot of pent-up aggression to let out.

 

[Laniv]

What the cast of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate would see if a lot of people had their way with Smash 6:

sorry, had to be done.

 

[HyperSomari64]

What the cast of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate would see if a lot of people had their way with Smash 6:

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sorry, had to be done.

This goes on Cptn. Falcon and PSI Kids rooms (and maybe Fox). They are Smash icons than having their own franchises.

 

[UserKev]

People have posted numerous times about how folks Tom Nook, KK Slider, and Blathers can work. You just refuse to listen for whatever reason. Different thread, same song and dance.

Mr. Resetti has the biggest potential for any AC rep. The characters you mentioned can be worked, but Resetti can literally pull out a moveset with little imagination. And I'm mind boggled you didn't mention him.

 

[Ivander]

What the cast of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate would see if a lot of people had their way with Smash 6:

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sorry, had to be done.

Give it some time and that could potentially happen with the Nintendo characters at least.

 

[Opossum]

Mr. Resetti has the biggest potential for any AC rep. The characters you mentioned can be worked, but Resetti can literally pull out a moveset with little imagination. And I'm mind boggled you didn't mention him.

I didn't mention him because Nintendo would 100% veto his inclusion. They're doing everything in their power to make people forget he exists.