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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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I feel the need to speak my mindset here.
I think I've made it clear by now that I'm not really expecting a Monster Hunter fighter in general and I am not at all convinced about the arguments for it/the counters to arguments against it.


For one, the fact Ultimate went by with not only adding Rathalos as a boss, not only adding Rathalos as an Assist, not only having music tracks on top of that in the base game, but going back to re-add the Mii Costumes from Smash For AND a new hat for Felyne in the DLC, as well as adding a Spirit Event for Rise and a promotional Spirit for Stories 2, and not even so much as a peep about having a fighter by the end of DLC? That comes off as incredibly damning to me. As far as I'm concerned it should have already happened in Ultimate if it was going to happen, if Monster Hunter was already considered a big enough deal to have notable representation.

No amount of "oh, but it's only because they prioritized other series 🥺 " when they still found it enough of a priority for a BOSS with associated tracks and then going back to expand representation through DLC, or "oh, but Monster Hunter wasn't as big as it is now 🥺 " when it was already Capcom's 3rd biggest seller by the time of the project proposal in December of 2015 and it overtook Street Fighter as their 2nd by the end of March of 2017, well before DLC was ever a factor, is going to sway me on this.

And then there's the Hunter itself. The whole reason for this topic over the idea of the Hunter being a fighter.
I have absolutely no reason to believe a Hunter specifically in the cards.
While people are quick to point out how we only had a specific denial for Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 that was "null" because of Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite, this isn't the "gotcha" moment they hope it is.

Infinite is still literally to this day the only collaboration that features Monster Hunter with an actual original Hunter. All other collaborations feature only the Monsters (usually prioritizing Rathalos) or the armors for other characters to wear. All the ones before Infinite and all the ones since. Including Smash itself twice.
Quite literally the only human character that is represented in Smash from the franchise is the Rider from Stories 2. And that's only because he's riding the Razewing Ratha that the Spirit is representing.
A Hunter isn't even an Assist, to which they awkwardly had Rathalos perform double duty for, nor is a Hunter a SPIRIT even with the Rise event when they had plenty of renders to work with along the Palamute and Palico.


But instead once again, the Monsters were focused on and the Hunters left out. Which feels very deliberate. And quite frankly? I don't see this changing for the next Smash. Even if Monster Hunter gets a fighter, there is more reason to believe it's going to be a Monster (especially some type of Rathalos) or a Felyne since they've also been playable within the franchise and use weapons not unlike the Hunters themselves. But there's also the possibility Monster Hunter just continues to not get a fighter and all representation be it boss, Assist, collectible, etc. is all Monsters (or armors for Miis) whether people like it or not.


But that's just me, and it's something I've needed to get off my chest.
I will acknowledge your point that we rarely get a proper stand-in Hunter in the vast majority of spinoff media. That said, I will play the devil's advocate on a couple points:

First, the series' representation in Ultimate was far from complete. We have a boss, who is also summonable as an assist, albeit scaled down slightly. He brings a boss arena, two songs (one of which plays for his boss fight), a WoL sub-map for the boss and a single spirit for said boss. Almost the entire representation for the series' begins and ends with Rathalos, and that's it. The multiple instances of post-launch content is notable, but it's not like, say, the Resident Evil spirits, which came out of the blue and featured the series' primary representatives. We got two tie-in Spirit Events for then-recent Switch exclusives (Well, timed exclusives, but you that's being pedantic), which were thrown out for every other major Switch release, and a returning Mii Costume from Smash 4, which were pretty common, all things considered.

If we had more Spirits - Staple monsters like Diablos, Tigrex, Zinogre, and the like - I'd be more inclined to agree with you. Spirits are treated as important parts of representation by Sakurai, so a more comprehensive Spirit list would be a sign that Sakurai is content representing the series with a fighter. But as it stands now the series' coverage feels far from final.

I will also throw out an argument on the "characters wearing armor" front - Smash strongly prioritizes the playable character, and if we got a Hunter as a fighter, they would be the vessel for the armor and weapons. I know you'll probably disagree and point to the Mii Costumes, but I do feel it's worth noting.

I know you're pretty set in your beliefs and likely won't be budged, so I won't break my back trying to convince you. We'll probably have to agree to disagree. But I feel the above points are at least worth mentioning.

Also, I know I'm being childish and pissy about this, but I don't appreciate having the opposing view frames as "oh, b-buh-but (opinion) 🥺 (annoying pleading face) 🥺." I get it, everyone's allowed to have their opinions and they shouldn't be forced to put up with statements that grind their gears. But having the arguments framed in an annoying "voice" like that, so to speak, grinds my gears

Man oh man I can’t wait for this thread to be archived on Wednesday and we move on to the Official Smash 6 Discussion Thread (please don’t age poorly)
:052: Oi, don't jinx it
 
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Man oh man I can’t wait for this thread to be archived on Wednesday and we move on to the Official Smash 6 Discussion Thread (please don’t age poorly)
I mean, sure there could be a new thread, but they might just say "hey the next smash game is in development guys, it'll release at some point" and then there basically wouldn't be anything new to talk about other than "yes, there will in fact be a new smash game for the next console; nintendo does, in fact, like printing money"
 

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As Long as Shadow Gets in (Finally) in this Next Smash Game, I'm down for anything!


That being said, has there been anything on any interesting 4chan "Leaks" or some interesting Rumors based around the Next Smash? The only thing I've seen recently is Hungrybox saying something about a Smash Ultimate Deluxe (that he was wrong on showing up in Last week's direct). Maybe there's been some chatter in the Papagenos Discord, but otherwise It seems like most of the info that could relate to a New Smash is just speculation around the Timeline and comments curated from Sakurai's Last youtube Video, and the Studio S/Studio 2 infomation

I'm pretty sure it was sparse up until Smash Ultimate got teased initially in that March direct, so it seems it's that Same cycle

My Thoughts: I still think we'll have every character again (though if it takes DLC to accomplish that, so be it), and we'll have over 100 Characters in the game. I also think We'll finally have it so having a Different character per stock (ala Squad Strike) is possible in every mode now on regular basis.
 

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The fact that the series pretty much got everything but a character doesn't really disconfirm the chances of getting a character since we don't know anything about the decision making process behind the Monster Hunter content. For all we know the reason why it got all that but no fighter is literally just because Sakurai wasn't pursuing a fighter at the time, but wanted a Boss.

It's also worth noting that even assuming that hunters aren't really allowed in crossovers and their appearance in MVCI was done without consent, that doesn't mean that Sakurai couldn't sell them on the pitch like they did with Hero, who's appearance broke the rule of having the protagonists depicted fighting each other.

Also, I could be wrong on this but, isn't one of the Mii Costumes a set of gear associated with the Monster Hunter rather than any specific monster? If so that's already a step away from a playable Monster Hunter.


So yeah. I don't think they're a lock, but they're also not disconfirmed either.
...Kinda both? It is based on the Hunter's armor and not directly on Rathalos, but the gear is made of Rathalos so it's technically Rathalos representation, in a rather morbid manner. Either way, I'd imagine it's easier to make a costume using human-shaped armor than it is to make it out of an entire wyvern. It's also worth noting that Mii Costumes don't always lead to fighters the way we expect (e.g. Kazuya becoming a fighter over Heihachi)

But at the simplest level, yes, the Rathalos Armor represents the Hunter first and foremost.
 

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As Long as Shadow Gets in (Finally) in this Next Smash Game, I'm down for anything!


That being said, has there been anything on any interesting 4chan "Leaks" or some interesting Rumors based around the Next Smash? The only thing I've seen recently is Hungrybox saying something about a Smash Ultimate Deluxe (that he was wrong on showing up in Last week's direct). Maybe there's been some chatter in the Papagenos Discord, but otherwise It seems like most of the info that could relate to a New Smash is just speculation around the Timeline and comments curated from Sakurai's Last youtube Video, and the Studio S/Studio 2 infomation

I'm pretty sure it was sparse up until Smash Ultimate got teased initially in that March direct, so it seems it's that Same cycle

My Thoughts: I still think we'll have every character again (though if it takes DLC to accomplish that, so be it), and we'll have over 100 Characters in the game. I also think We'll finally have it so having a Different character per stock (ala Squad Strike) is possible in every mode now on regular basis.
I'd doubt the accuracy of any big leaks tbh unless we start getting closer to smash 6's release and ESRB stuff or promotional material starts being distributed to the relevant companies or organizations. The only exception to this would be if some random 4chan leak or whatnot starts lining up suspiciously well to what actually might be revealed. At any rate, though, I'm personally just going to dismiss any supposed leaks for now until at least the next few months are up even if the next smash is confirmed in a bit over 24 hours here.
 

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Rocket Barrel Jet is a Canon Diddy ability, basically everything from DK64. Dual Peanut Popguns 🥜, cartwheel attacks, and overall acrobatics. Its nothing Dixie is associated with. Diddy is the faster more reckless of the duo between him and Dixie.

They're both monkeys. Sure. But that's where the similarities end. DK and Funky have more in common and people want him to be unique too. Why? There's more than enough reason for him to be. Dixie even more so.

She was considered for Brawl and if she was just a quick Diddy replica, she'd have made it in on those permits. But she's not. Simple as that.

To dive deeper into that subject, they where considered to have a dual fighter mechanic, one where you'd switch out between the two during battle. Why would that be if there where no significant differences between the two? The only characters that had similar gimmicks at that time where Zelda and Sheik and of course Pokemon Trainer.

So just place these puzzle pieces right together and you see why it makes no sense.
I wasn't even talking about Dixie Kong here? My post in Unpopular Opinions was about Dixie as a clone, this one is about Diddy's moveset having all his canon abilities as is and there being no missed gaps in terms of "faithful representation" even though people say there is and/or he's treated as "generic monkey".
 
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The only thing I will address because I'm tired and don't really feel like going much further with the topic is the idea of "Smash strongly favors the playable characters" bit feels disingenuous as an argument because it's only argued in some cases but not others.

If Sans can be seen as the unironic Undertale pick of choice over The Human/Frisk or Monokuma the choice for Danganronpa over someone like Makoto Naegi, or Freddy Fazbear over the Night Guard for FNAF, or hell, the titular Diablo himself over any playable protagonist, I really don't see why we have to be all freaky over the idea of the Hunter getting passed over for a Monster/Felyne or Tarnished passed over for Malenia or Chosen Undead passed over for Solaire (who like Sans was generally seen as THE choice, especially very early in Ultimate's speculation scene), etc. just because "it's the playable character". If a legitimately strong case can be made for someone else, it shouldn't be a problem.

It's not even like Smash itself is that anal-retentive about it.
:pikachu64: :jigglypuff64: :mewtwomelee: :pichumelee: all happened before we got the actual playable character :pt: . And before the "technical difficulties" argument comes in, they could have just had the Trainer on the battlefield himself while calling out Pokémon to attack for his specials if they were deadset on having "the playable character" over the Pokémon themselves.

Professor Hector is the player character in :rob: 's games. R.O.B. was just the irl peripheral that interacted with the games. Professor Hector doesn't even appear anywhere in Smash whatsoever.

I'm not going to count :4duckhunt: or :4wiifit: for obvious reasons given the source material being the player themselves using a light gun or balance board being the "player character"; and even then the former is still technically part of the whole unit.

The aforementioned Sans took priority for the Mii Costume over The Human/Frisk. And he is still seen as THE pick for his overall popularity in spite of being just an NPC and boss in one specific route.

And while yes, :ulthero: was the main choice with Slime as a backup, the fact Slime was seen as an acceptable substitute at ALL shows that substitutes are more than possible if the situation calls for it.


My thoughts are starting to blur together and my eyes can't focus so I'll stop here since it's an hour after midnight for me. I had more to say and I may or may not continue later if I even remember when coherent.
 

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Wonder what do peeps feel about this video. To me, it certainly does remind me how I've ended outgrowing being part the demographic of Smash after Brawl passed.

Comment I left on the video itself said:
I've been wishing for Toad and Dixie Kong alongside good bit of C-Listers since Melee - bit weird to think only one of them seems kinda having more than shot in complete dark by now (Dixie Kong) - and even then she could end an echo of Diddy with DK's Up B slapped on her and called a day.

Meanwhile Toad's been constantly glossed over as a meatshield up to this point, and so did Captain Toad as a stage cameo - now he's not relevant anymore due no Captain Toad 2 in sight. It's very weird to think how I feel not part of the demographic since Brawl - and have long made more home in Smash-mods or fangames these days.

But maybe that'll come eventually to everyone following this series that doesn't luck out much well. I've tried to make due with whatever chars have felt interesting or passably fun, but it does feel kinda dissonant next to folks who get catered to with "relevant" or even more, 3rd Party picks as there's more variance to it - and get to enjoy them in such high revel.
In whole, I kinda might be checking out Smash 6 mainly for refurbishing existing characters here and there for me, alongside the gameplay and maybe a fresh new presentation or mechanics.

 
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Characters that aren't famous or popular in Japan can't be fighters.
No company gets two fighters in the same pass.
There are franchises that aren’t as popular in Japan such as Metroid and Sonic compared to the west so it’s close enough. That’s probably different than not being popular at all.

While the latter hasn’t happened yet, Square Enix was probably contacted when Sora being Smash was discussed with Disney.
 

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There's a simple solution. Make the next Smash Bros T-Rated like Brawl. After Clive was added as DLC, the T-Rated Tekken 8 was able to refer to Final Fantasy XVI, a M-rated game, by name with no issues.
Honestly i think it's on a case by case basis or something.


Wait until you see the Godzilla fusions.
Yeah, Metal Greymon Gozdilla erosion mode is so ugly, i love him.
 

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For the Switch 2 Direct, I heard this information related to SSB6:
The trailer starts off with Mario, Link, Kirby, and Pikachu in their Melee designs, converging to the center. Then, their designs get updated into a more gritty art style, before fighting on a new version pf Battlefield (now it’s not in some random alternate dimension).
Eventually, the fighters end up on the Halberd, and Meta Knight and this character Pit from Kid Icarus join the fight.
As the trailer progresses, Samus shoots out a laser beam, and her Power Suit gets destroyed, so she is in her Zero Mission design (maybe this is the new Zelda/Sheik transformation).
Eventually, the fighters end up at a canyon, and Wario meets with them while riding on his bike, and the trailer seems to initially end with him releasing an atomic fart.
After that moment, Solid Snake is having a conversation with Colonel Campell, who informs Snake that he was invited into the next game. During the conversation, we figure out that Snake is hiding in a box while the other fighters were on Battlefield, and he eventually pops out of the box and says “It’s Show Time”.
Wait, this is from almost 20 years ago, here’s what’s actually going on.
The SSB6 trailer will open similar to how Brawl’s opened up; however, Donkey Kong, Samus, Yoshi, and Fox also join, completing the perfect attendees. Also, these fighters would be on Battlefield when the trailer starts. Then, we’ll see a dripfeed of another twelve or so veterans, including Luigi, Captain Falcon, Bowser, Princesses Peach and Zelda, Marth, Pit, Wario, Sonic, King Dedede, Villager, and Inkling. Once these veterans are revealed, the trailer now moves to a scene where an SSB invite appears in the Mushroom Kingdom, and while a Toad picks it up initially, Waluigi takes it from him, noting that he is the first newcomer, with the tagline “Waluigi Steals the Show”. Once the Waluigi reveal ends, this is the end of the first part of SSB6 on tomorrow’s direct.
In the middle of the direct, we get another reveal trailer that initially starts with Mario and Sonic fighting as tribute to their ’90s competition. During the middle of the fight, Crash Bandicoot joins the fight, and his tagline is “Crash Bandicoot Spins Into Action!”
Before the end of the presentation, there is one more reveal trailer, starting off with a fight of Mario, Luigi, and Kirby against Bowser, Wario, Waluigi, and King Dedede. The heroes are struggling initially until Bandana Waddle Dee saves them, and his tagline is “Bandana Waddle Dee Rises to the Occasion!” The trailer ends with a teaser for Doctor Eggman, whose formal reveal trailer would appear later.
In terms of post April 2 information, I can confirm at least the following: Meta Knight, Ike, Charizard, Diddy Kong, Olimar, Lucario, Toon Link, Mega Man, Little Mac, Pac-Man, Shulk, Ryu, Ridley, and Isabelle return as starting fighters, and Ness, Ganondorf, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Duck Hunt, Simon Belmont, King K. Rool, Banjo, and Byleth return as secret fighters, and Mii Fighters also return. For newcomers, you can expect the following: Some Pokemon from either Scarlet/Violet or the generation after, K.K. Slider, Noah, and Octoling as additional starters, and Issac and the Excitebike Rider as secret newcomers. Echo fighters, Jigglypuff, and Falco may return depending on time constraints, and I’m hearing conflicting things on other fighters like Pokemon Trainer, Cloud, Steve, Aegis, and Sora.
 

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What does everyone think the chances are of seeing whatever the first project is for Chrono Trigger in tomorrow’s Direct? If you haven’t heard, Square-Enix announced they have multiple projects in the works in celebration of Chrono Trigger’s 30th anniversary but haven’t revealed what they are yet. If they do reveal something substantial, how much do you think that might help a Chrono Trigger character’s chances for Smash 6 DLC?
 

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What does everyone think the chances are of seeing whatever the first project is for Chrono Trigger in tomorrow’s Direct? If you haven’t heard, Square-Enix announced they have multiple projects in the works in celebration of Chrono Trigger’s 30th anniversary but haven’t revealed what they are yet. If they do reveal something substantial, how much do you think that might help a Chrono Trigger character’s chances for Smash 6 DLC?
I think the direct will focus on 1st party and 3rd party titles that weren’t on Switch 1 because of hardware limitations. Also hardware and software in general.

I think Chrono Trigger rerelease/remake is more likely for a traditional direct like in June or later in the year.
 
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I really hope that a new 3D Mario gets announced.

I think the first half will be about hardware and the menu while the second half will be about games.
I doubt they'll talk that much about hardware, Nintendo never really did historically for their console. I'm sure they'll showcase the new Joycon, but that's about what I'm expecting.

Also it might be just me, but I feel like Nintendo fans are overblowing the importance of Nintendo's showing the console menu. I know a lot of fans genuinely despise the Switch for having no menu music, but I feel like a lot, and I mean, a very very lot, of people don't care at all about the menu. Menu won't sell the consoles, it's the games.

What does everyone think the chances are of seeing whatever the first project is for Chrono Trigger in tomorrow’s Direct? If you haven’t heard, Square-Enix announced they have multiple projects in the works in celebration of Chrono Trigger’s 30th anniversary but haven’t revealed what they are yet. If they do reveal something substantial, how much do you think that might help a Chrono Trigger character’s chances for Smash 6 DLC?
If it's a remake I think it would change nothing for Smash 6, we never had characters based on remake, and despite being a cult classic it's still kind of a niche game in the grand scheme of thing. If it's a new game it might help more, but there's so much competition for third party game, especially from jrpg with Tales of being absent and from Square Enix I'd argue Nier have more chances than Chrono so it's hard to tell.
 

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I doubt they'll talk that much about hardware, Nintendo never really did historically for their console. I'm sure they'll showcase the new Joycon, but that's about what I'm expecting.

Also it might be just me, but I feel like Nintendo fans are overblowing the importance of Nintendo's showing the console menu. I know a lot of fans genuinely despise the Switch for having no menu music, but I feel like a lot, and I mean, a very very lot, of people don't care at all about the menu. Menu won't sell the consoles, it's the games.



If it's a remake I think it would change nothing for Smash 6, we never had characters based on remake, and despite being a cult classic it's still kind of a niche game in the grand scheme of thing. If it's a new game it might help more, but there's so much competition for third party game, especially from jrpg with Tales of being absent and from Square Enix I'd argue Nier have more chances than Chrono so it's hard to tell.
Yeah that makes sense, though I will point out a couple things. People claim that the reason we got Pokemon Trainer when we did was due to Fire Red and Leaf Green releasing shortly before their inclusion. Some argue that the Super Mario RPG remake could help Geno’s chances too. I’d say it depends on the scope and ambition of the remake. It’s possible that a simple HD-2D remake might not help too much but something closer to a Dragon Quest 11 style game might. I’d say that the FFVII remakes might have helped Cloud and Sephiroth’s chances as well. I’m just kind of excited because this is the first Chrono Trigger related announcement in many years and I feel like that has the potential to actually give it a shot in Smash depending on exactly what these projects are.
 
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Hey they’re doing treehouse presentations on the 3rd & 4th. Anyone got a link to the news on a website we can still imbed ?
 

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...Kinda both? It is based on the Hunter's armor and not directly on Rathalos, but the gear is made of Rathalos so it's technically Rathalos representation, in a rather morbid manner. Either way, I'd imagine it's easier to make a costume using human-shaped armor than it is to make it out of an entire wyvern. It's also worth noting that Mii Costumes don't always lead to fighters the way we expect (e.g. Kazuya becoming a fighter over Heihachi)

But at the simplest level, yes, the Rathalos Armor represents the Hunter first and foremost.
I wasn't referring to the Rathalos Armor set, since I would consider that to be connected to Rathalos, but rather, the Hunter's Helm and Hunter's Mail Mii costume.
 

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Nintendo Direct in the USA, anyone?

EDIT: UK version as well.

 
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Tbh, i wouldn't count Rathalos out as the MH rep. We never had a "giant" character before in Smash (think of iron giant in MVs), i could see Sakurai giving the concept of a giant fighter a try and Rathalos seems like a good candidate for it.
…I dunno man. A giant character in Smash does sound pretty cool, but I think there might be a problem with balancing that character with the rest of the roster.
 

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how much do you think that might help a Chrono Trigger character’s chances for Smash 6 DLC?
Some.

It’s going to be hard to avoid spoilers tomorrow. I work until 3:30 PM every day so I’m going to have to stay off the internet until I get out.
Be a real shame if you were to suddenly come down with something...
 

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The only thing I will address because I'm tired and don't really feel like going much further with the topic is the idea of "Smash strongly favors the playable characters" bit feels disingenuous as an argument because it's only argued in some cases but not others.

If Sans can be seen as the unironic Undertale pick of choice over The Human/Frisk or Monokuma the choice for Danganronpa over someone like Makoto Naegi, or Freddy Fazbear over the Night Guard for FNAF, or hell, the titular Diablo himself over any playable protagonist, I really don't see why we have to be all freaky over the idea of the Hunter getting passed over for a Monster/Felyne or Tarnished passed over for Malenia or Chosen Undead passed over for Solaire (who like Sans was generally seen as THE choice, especially very early in Ultimate's speculation scene), etc. just because "it's the playable character". If a legitimately strong case can be made for someone else, it shouldn't be a problem.
I think the main thing about this is that favoring playable characters doesn't necessarily mean that they always go for them above other options. There are some cases where it makes more sense not to go with the player, or sometimes the mascot isn't the player, and uh..."skips the line" for lack of a better phrase.

Most of the reasoning behind each choices popularity is pretty easily explained. People talk about Sans over Frisk because the former is a mascot, and the latter is not only an avatar...kinda, but have a very nebulous mechanic attached that would be insanely difficult to translate to Super Smash Bros. Monokuma similarly is also a mascot, appears in the series more often, is more easily envisioned as a fighter, and is up against a milktoast protagonist to boot. The popularity contest really isn't fair here. Freddy over Night Guard is no contest. He's the mascot for one, but you're also pitting him against a character who has no abilities, character model, or even a cannon design in the games other than the pixelated sprite he has in Sister Location. You'd get much farther trying to advocate for a character like Gregory, though he would likely also come with at least a version of Freddy. Solaire over Chosen Undead I think is just a case of people not wanting an avatar.

I can't really comment on Diablo or Elden Ring since I know nothing about the characters.

As far as why people fixate on the Monster Hunter. I'm not entirely sure. They are an avatar, which usually means they're the least popular idea, but maybe they're kind of seen as the only idea like Steve was for Minecraft. The hunter has a ton of moveset potential, and is easy to conceptualize, the monsters are huge and hard or impossible to downsize for a fighter. There's the idea of them adding a Felyne, but it's reletively new, and proposed after the concept of the hunter has taken hold.

And this is just a personal thing, but the idea of adding the Felyne instead of the hunter feels weird to me since, to me, someone who hasn't played the games, the hunter just feels like a better choice, and would feel better to play, even if the Felyne would technically be more interesting since they'd be a shorty with heavy weapons. It's also just...why pick Felyne when there's nothing wrong with Monster Hunter? It feels kinda arbitrary. I'll accept it if it's what ends up happening, but conceptually, it just feels kinda weird.
 

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While the latter hasn’t happened yet, Square Enix was probably contacted when Sora being Smash was discussed with Disney.
They undoubtedly were. Else we wouldn't have known Nomura was a bigger obstacle to Sora in Smash than Disney itself.
 
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