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Man oh man I can’t wait for this thread to be archived on Wednesday and we move on to the Official Smash 6 Discussion Thread (please don’t age poorly)
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I will acknowledge your point that we rarely get a proper stand-in Hunter in the vast majority of spinoff media. That said, I will play the devil's advocate on a couple points:I feel the need to speak my mindset here.
I think I've made it clear by now that I'm not really expecting a Monster Hunter fighter in general and I am not at all convinced about the arguments for it/the counters to arguments against it.
For one, the fact Ultimate went by with not only adding Rathalos as a boss, not only adding Rathalos as an Assist, not only having music tracks on top of that in the base game, but going back to re-add the Mii Costumes from Smash For AND a new hat for Felyne in the DLC, as well as adding a Spirit Event for Rise and a promotional Spirit for Stories 2, and not even so much as a peep about having a fighter by the end of DLC? That comes off as incredibly damning to me. As far as I'm concerned it should have already happened in Ultimate if it was going to happen, if Monster Hunter was already considered a big enough deal to have notable representation.
No amount of "oh, but it's only because they prioritized other series" when they still found it enough of a priority for a BOSS with associated tracks and then going back to expand representation through DLC, or "oh, but Monster Hunter wasn't as big as it is now
" when it was already Capcom's 3rd biggest seller by the time of the project proposal in December of 2015 and it overtook Street Fighter as their 2nd by the end of March of 2017, well before DLC was ever a factor, is going to sway me on this.
And then there's the Hunter itself. The whole reason for this topic over the idea of the Hunter being a fighter.
I have absolutely no reason to believe a Hunter specifically in the cards.
While people are quick to point out how we only had a specific denial for Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 that was "null" because of Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite, this isn't the "gotcha" moment they hope it is.
Infinite is still literally to this day the only collaboration that features Monster Hunter with an actual original Hunter. All other collaborations feature only the Monsters (usually prioritizing Rathalos) or the armors for other characters to wear. All the ones before Infinite and all the ones since. Including Smash itself twice.
Quite literally the only human character that is represented in Smash from the franchise is the Rider from Stories 2. And that's only because he's riding the Razewing Ratha that the Spirit is representing.
A Hunter isn't even an Assist, to which they awkwardly had Rathalos perform double duty for, nor is a Hunter a SPIRIT even with the Rise event when they had plenty of renders to work with along the Palamute and Palico.
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But instead once again, the Monsters were focused on and the Hunters left out. Which feels very deliberate. And quite frankly? I don't see this changing for the next Smash. Even if Monster Hunter gets a fighter, there is more reason to believe it's going to be a Monster (especially some type of Rathalos) or a Felyne since they've also been playable within the franchise and use weapons not unlike the Hunters themselves. But there's also the possibility Monster Hunter just continues to not get a fighter and all representation be it boss, Assist, collectible, etc. is all Monsters (or armors for Miis) whether people like it or not.
But that's just me, and it's something I've needed to get off my chest.
Man oh man I can’t wait for this thread to be archived on Wednesday and we move on to the Official Smash 6 Discussion Thread (please don’t age poorly)
I mean, sure there could be a new thread, but they might just say "hey the next smash game is in development guys, it'll release at some point" and then there basically wouldn't be anything new to talk about other than "yes, there will in fact be a new smash game for the next console; nintendo does, in fact, like printing money"Man oh man I can’t wait for this thread to be archived on Wednesday and we move on to the Official Smash 6 Discussion Thread (please don’t age poorly)
...Kinda both? It is based on the Hunter's armor and not directly on Rathalos, but the gear is made of Rathalos so it's technically Rathalos representation, in a rather morbid manner. Either way, I'd imagine it's easier to make a costume using human-shaped armor than it is to make it out of an entire wyvern. It's also worth noting that Mii Costumes don't always lead to fighters the way we expect (e.g. Kazuya becoming a fighter over Heihachi)The fact that the series pretty much got everything but a character doesn't really disconfirm the chances of getting a character since we don't know anything about the decision making process behind the Monster Hunter content. For all we know the reason why it got all that but no fighter is literally just because Sakurai wasn't pursuing a fighter at the time, but wanted a Boss.
It's also worth noting that even assuming that hunters aren't really allowed in crossovers and their appearance in MVCI was done without consent, that doesn't mean that Sakurai couldn't sell them on the pitch like they did with Hero, who's appearance broke the rule of having the protagonists depicted fighting each other.
Also, I could be wrong on this but, isn't one of the Mii Costumes a set of gear associated with the Monster Hunter rather than any specific monster? If so that's already a step away from a playable Monster Hunter.
So yeah. I don't think they're a lock, but they're also not disconfirmed either.
I'd doubt the accuracy of any big leaks tbh unless we start getting closer to smash 6's release and ESRB stuff or promotional material starts being distributed to the relevant companies or organizations. The only exception to this would be if some random 4chan leak or whatnot starts lining up suspiciously well to what actually might be revealed. At any rate, though, I'm personally just going to dismiss any supposed leaks for now until at least the next few months are up even if the next smash is confirmed in a bit over 24 hours here.View attachment 400817
As Long as Shadow Gets in (Finally) in this Next Smash Game, I'm down for anything!
That being said, has there been anything on any interesting 4chan "Leaks" or some interesting Rumors based around the Next Smash? The only thing I've seen recently is Hungrybox saying something about a Smash Ultimate Deluxe (that he was wrong on showing up in Last week's direct). Maybe there's been some chatter in the Papagenos Discord, but otherwise It seems like most of the info that could relate to a New Smash is just speculation around the Timeline and comments curated from Sakurai's Last youtube Video, and the Studio S/Studio 2 infomation
I'm pretty sure it was sparse up until Smash Ultimate got teased initially in that March direct, so it seems it's that Same cycle
My Thoughts: I still think we'll have every character again (though if it takes DLC to accomplish that, so be it), and we'll have over 100 Characters in the game. I also think We'll finally have it so having a Different character per stock (ala Squad Strike) is possible in every mode now on regular basis.
I wasn't even talking about Dixie Kong here? My post in Unpopular Opinions was about Dixie as a clone, this one is about Diddy's moveset having all his canon abilities as is and there being no missed gaps in terms of "faithful representation" even though people say there is and/or he's treated as "generic monkey".Rocket Barrel Jet is a Canon Diddy ability, basically everything from DK64. Dual Peanut Popguns, cartwheel attacks, and overall acrobatics. Its nothing Dixie is associated with. Diddy is the faster more reckless of the duo between him and Dixie.
They're both monkeys. Sure. But that's where the similarities end. DK and Funky have more in common and people want him to be unique too. Why? There's more than enough reason for him to be. Dixie even more so.
She was considered for Brawl and if she was just a quick Diddy replica, she'd have made it in on those permits. But she's not. Simple as that.
To dive deeper into that subject, they where considered to have a dual fighter mechanic, one where you'd switch out between the two during battle. Why would that be if there where no significant differences between the two? The only characters that had similar gimmicks at that time where Zelda and Sheik and of course Pokemon Trainer.
So just place these puzzle pieces right together and you see why it makes no sense.
Assist Trophies not being able to be DLC in the same game where they’re already an Assist Trophy.Is there any fan rule that hasn’t been debunked?
I think it will happen but it will probably depend on when the DLC is planned since if it’s early such as near launch then the developers would probably just remove the Assist Trophy before the game releases.Assist Trophies not being able to be DLC in the same game where they’re already an Assist Trophy.
In whole, I kinda might be checking out Smash 6 mainly for refurbishing existing characters here and there for me, alongside the gameplay and maybe a fresh new presentation or mechanics.Comment I left on the video itself said:I've been wishing for Toad and Dixie Kong alongside good bit of C-Listers since Melee - bit weird to think only one of them seems kinda having more than shot in complete dark by now (Dixie Kong) - and even then she could end an echo of Diddy with DK's Up B slapped on her and called a day.
Meanwhile Toad's been constantly glossed over as a meatshield up to this point, and so did Captain Toad as a stage cameo - now he's not relevant anymore due no Captain Toad 2 in sight. It's very weird to think how I feel not part of the demographic since Brawl - and have long made more home in Smash-mods or fangames these days.
But maybe that'll come eventually to everyone following this series that doesn't luck out much well. I've tried to make due with whatever chars have felt interesting or passably fun, but it does feel kinda dissonant next to folks who get catered to with "relevant" or even more, 3rd Party picks as there's more variance to it - and get to enjoy them in such high revel.
Characters that aren't famous or popular in Japan can't be fighters.Is there any fan rule that hasn’t been debunked?
There are franchises that aren’t as popular in Japan such as Metroid and Sonic compared to the west so it’s close enough. That’s probably different than not being popular at all.Characters that aren't famous or popular in Japan can't be fighters.
No company gets two fighters in the same pass.
I really hope that a new 3D Mario gets announced.
It is almost time, everyone!
Honestly i think it's on a case by case basis or something.![]()
There's a simple solution. Make the next Smash Bros T-Rated like Brawl. After Clive was added as DLC, the T-Rated Tekken 8 was able to refer to Final Fantasy XVI, a M-rated game, by name with no issues.
Yeah, Metal Greymon Gozdilla erosion mode is so ugly, i love him.Wait until you see the Godzilla fusions.
I think the direct will focus on 1st party and 3rd party titles that weren’t on Switch 1 because of hardware limitations. Also hardware and software in general.What does everyone think the chances are of seeing whatever the first project is for Chrono Trigger in tomorrow’s Direct? If you haven’t heard, Square-Enix announced they have multiple projects in the works in celebration of Chrono Trigger’s 30th anniversary but haven’t revealed what they are yet. If they do reveal something substantial, how much do you think that might help a Chrono Trigger character’s chances for Smash 6 DLC?
I doubt they'll talk that much about hardware, Nintendo never really did historically for their console. I'm sure they'll showcase the new Joycon, but that's about what I'm expecting.I really hope that a new 3D Mario gets announced.
I think the first half will be about hardware and the menu while the second half will be about games.
If it's a remake I think it would change nothing for Smash 6, we never had characters based on remake, and despite being a cult classic it's still kind of a niche game in the grand scheme of thing. If it's a new game it might help more, but there's so much competition for third party game, especially from jrpg with Tales of being absent and from Square Enix I'd argue Nier have more chances than Chrono so it's hard to tell.What does everyone think the chances are of seeing whatever the first project is for Chrono Trigger in tomorrow’s Direct? If you haven’t heard, Square-Enix announced they have multiple projects in the works in celebration of Chrono Trigger’s 30th anniversary but haven’t revealed what they are yet. If they do reveal something substantial, how much do you think that might help a Chrono Trigger character’s chances for Smash 6 DLC?
Yeah that makes sense, though I will point out a couple things. People claim that the reason we got Pokemon Trainer when we did was due to Fire Red and Leaf Green releasing shortly before their inclusion. Some argue that the Super Mario RPG remake could help Geno’s chances too. I’d say it depends on the scope and ambition of the remake. It’s possible that a simple HD-2D remake might not help too much but something closer to a Dragon Quest 11 style game might. I’d say that the FFVII remakes might have helped Cloud and Sephiroth’s chances as well. I’m just kind of excited because this is the first Chrono Trigger related announcement in many years and I feel like that has the potential to actually give it a shot in Smash depending on exactly what these projects are.I doubt they'll talk that much about hardware, Nintendo never really did historically for their console. I'm sure they'll showcase the new Joycon, but that's about what I'm expecting.
Also it might be just me, but I feel like Nintendo fans are overblowing the importance of Nintendo's showing the console menu. I know a lot of fans genuinely despise the Switch for having no menu music, but I feel like a lot, and I mean, a very very lot, of people don't care at all about the menu. Menu won't sell the consoles, it's the games.
If it's a remake I think it would change nothing for Smash 6, we never had characters based on remake, and despite being a cult classic it's still kind of a niche game in the grand scheme of thing. If it's a new game it might help more, but there's so much competition for third party game, especially from jrpg with Tales of being absent and from Square Enix I'd argue Nier have more chances than Chrono so it's hard to tell.
60 minutes
The Switch 2 Direct is 60 minutes long.
Probably means that it’s probably more then just games.
The Switch 2 Direct is 60 minutes long.
oh my gosh I can’t believe videospiel man is becoming a mii fighter outfit
I wasn't referring to the Rathalos Armor set, since I would consider that to be connected to Rathalos, but rather, the Hunter's Helm and Hunter's Mail Mii costume....Kinda both? It is based on the Hunter's armor and not directly on Rathalos, but the gear is made of Rathalos so it's technically Rathalos representation, in a rather morbid manner. Either way, I'd imagine it's easier to make a costume using human-shaped armor than it is to make it out of an entire wyvern. It's also worth noting that Mii Costumes don't always lead to fighters the way we expect (e.g. Kazuya becoming a fighter over Heihachi)
But at the simplest level, yes, the Rathalos Armor represents the Hunter first and foremost.
…I dunno man. A giant character in Smash does sound pretty cool, but I think there might be a problem with balancing that character with the rest of the roster.Tbh, i wouldn't count Rathalos out as the MH rep. We never had a "giant" character before in Smash (think of iron giant in MVs), i could see Sakurai giving the concept of a giant fighter a try and Rathalos seems like a good candidate for it.
Some.how much do you think that might help a Chrono Trigger character’s chances for Smash 6 DLC?
Be a real shame if you were to suddenly come down with something...It’s going to be hard to avoid spoilers tomorrow. I work until 3:30 PM every day so I’m going to have to stay off the internet until I get out.
I think the main thing about this is that favoring playable characters doesn't necessarily mean that they always go for them above other options. There are some cases where it makes more sense not to go with the player, or sometimes the mascot isn't the player, and uh..."skips the line" for lack of a better phrase.The only thing I will address because I'm tired and don't really feel like going much further with the topic is the idea of "Smash strongly favors the playable characters" bit feels disingenuous as an argument because it's only argued in some cases but not others.
If Sans can be seen as the unironic Undertale pick of choice over The Human/Frisk or Monokuma the choice for Danganronpa over someone like Makoto Naegi, or Freddy Fazbear over the Night Guard for FNAF, or hell, the titular Diablo himself over any playable protagonist, I really don't see why we have to be all freaky over the idea of the Hunter getting passed over for a Monster/Felyne or Tarnished passed over for Malenia or Chosen Undead passed over for Solaire (who like Sans was generally seen as THE choice, especially very early in Ultimate's speculation scene), etc. just because "it's the playable character". If a legitimately strong case can be made for someone else, it shouldn't be a problem.
They undoubtedly were. Else we wouldn't have known Nomura was a bigger obstacle to Sora in Smash than Disney itself.While the latter hasn’t happened yet, Square Enix was probably contacted when Sora being Smash was discussed with Disney.