Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Swamp Sensei]

IDK, is it wrong that I'm a guy who enjoys playing as female characters more nowadays than male characters, and I like seeing Peach kick butt instead of being the damsel in distress for the umpteenth time?

Nothing wrong with that.

I'm just flabbergasted that you think that Peach coming back would be unrealistic. She's one of the few characters who will never ever leave the roster, no matter what.

 

[Louie G.]

Arle also represents a genre new to Smash and that’s cool. It would be interesting to see what they’d do for her moveset to reference the puzzle genre.

There are a lot of reasons Arle serves as sort of the ideal puzzle game ""rep"", partially because many puzzle games don't have this kind of identifiable character to tie itself to. Puyo Puyo is a distinctly character driven series, the cast is colorful and well defined. Each match of Puyo is simulating what's essentially a fight in-universe too - Puyo is a competitive puzzle game by design, high level play has even been compared to fighting games. So by default she's a pretty clear-cut puzzle game ambassador for, well, a fighting game. There was even a Puyo fighting game being plotted out at some point but abandoned because they felt it wasn't right with the brand these days... the source of many a frustrating argument back during Ultimate DLC speculation.

Moveset-wise Arle is also a mage, domething established as far back as the precursor Madou Monogatari dungeon crawler RPGs which feature much more direct combat and at times shocking violence. I think the Saturn entry in this series, which largely bridges the gap between the original Madou games and Puyo Puyo, does the best job demonstrating the kind of magic that Arle can use to supplement the more puzzle oriented mechanics.

So on top of being as influential as it is within its genre, I think it's also the quintessential "character-based" puzzle game and provides the easiest material to build a satisfying crop of Smash content.

 

[duchess-olive]

Also I hope I can still take silly pictures during gameplay.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

IDK, is it wrong that I'm a guy who enjoys playing as female characters more nowadays than male characters, and I like seeing Peach kick butt instead of being the damsel in distress for the umpteenth time?

How does that even correlate to you thinking that Peach is unlikely to return as a playable character in the next game?

On that note, Peach is absolutely returning in the game. Her being cut is about as likely to happen as it is for Bowser or Luigi to be cut...which is to say, they're not being cut, either.

 

[Will]

Also I hope I can still take silly pictures during gameplay.

But you can already do that type of stuff in Ultimate, can’t you? We’ve been able to since Brawl, or I guess Melee too if you had the right adapter.

You’ve got some strange, specific concerns my friend

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Pretty sure they mean playable in the Mario platformers again.

 

[Will]

Pretty sure they mean playable in the Mario platformers again.

In the Smash speculation thread?

 

[duchess-olive]

But you can already do that type of stuff in Ultimate, can’t you? We’ve been able to since Brawl, or I guess Melee too if you had the right adapter.

You’ve got some strange, specific concerns my friend

Considering I was wrong about Sora, Steve and Banjo & Kazooie not getting in Ultimate...

 

[Louie G.]

Considering I was wrong about Sora, Steve and Banjo & Kazooie not getting in Ultimate...

Well I think it's one thing to be skeptical of brand new characters entering the fray, and another for series mainstay characters and features to be removed.

Definitely an uncertain future for the series as it stands, but I don't see a scenario where they don't let us take pictures anymore or let us play as Princess Peach. So I think you can rest easy on that front.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Pretty sure they mean playable in the Mario platformers again.

Then it's a case of them absolutely failing to read the room since nothing of the current talk ever suggested we were talking about Mario platformers.

 

[ninjahmos]

You know what's another song I'm hoping will make it in if Waluigi ever gets into Smash? Waluigi's Island (Mario Party 3)

 

[Laniv]

im unfamiliar with this character, might I ask who he is?

It's Spike (or Kakeru in Europe) from Ape Escape! The game released in 1999 for the PS1, and was the first game to require the DualShock controller!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Considering I was wrong about Sora, Steve and Banjo & Kazooie not getting in Ultimate...

If **** ever gets so bad that we're at Peach getting cut, then the roster for the next game officially went nuclear and wiped out like, 90% of Ultimate's roster.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Then it's a case of them absolutely failing to read the room since nothing of the current talk ever suggested we were talking about Mario platformers.

New user.

Though judging from the latest post, it appears my assessment was wrong and it's paranoia.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

New user.

Being a new user would not justify failing to comprehend basic forum conversations.

Being new to the idea of forums in general might, however.

Though by the looks of it, it seems they really DID mean Smash so we're just talking about hypotheticals.

 

[Guynamednelson]

It's Spike (or Kakeru in Europe) from Ape Escape! The game released in 1999 for the PS1, and was the first game to require the DualShock controller!

He's probably also unfamiliar because this is what Spike looked like in Ape Escape games the West actually got

Since PSAS was made by Western devs I'm surprised they used his Million Monkeys design instead of his classic one. Was it mandated by the AE devs or something?

 

[Captain Shwampy]

There are a lot of reasons Arle serves as sort of the ideal puzzle game ""rep"", partially because many puzzle games don't have this kind of identifiable character to tie itself to. Puyo Puyo is a distinctly character driven series, the cast is colorful and well defined. Each match of Puyo is simulating what's essentially a fight in-universe too - Puyo is a competitive puzzle game by design, high level play has even been compared to fighting games. So by default she's a pretty clear-cut puzzle game ambassador for, well, a fighting game. There was even a Puyo fighting game being plotted out at some point but abandoned because they felt it wasn't right with the brand these days... the source of many a frustrating argument back during Ultimate DLC speculation.

Moveset-wise Arle is also a mage, domething established as far back as the precursor Madou Monogatari dungeon crawler RPGs which feature much more direct combat and at times shocking violence. I think the Saturn entry in this series, which largely bridges the gap between the original Madou games and Puyo Puyo, does the best job demonstrating the kind of magic that Arle can use to supplement the more puzzle oriented mechanics.

So on top of being as influential as it is within its genre, I think it's also the quintessential "character-based" puzzle game and provides the easiest material to build a satisfying crop of Smash content.

I really dislike that the saturn madou game got her fire attack animation wrong. Its suppose to look like a hadouken, not a baseball throw.

The genesis remake of Madou got this right at least.

 

[ninjahmos]

I'm a little late on the SONY rep subject, but I think it'd be pretty cool to see these two in Smash.

 

[Ivander]

You know what's another song I'm hoping will make it in if Waluigi ever gets into Smash? Waluigi Island (Mario Party 3)

AAAnarchhhy....

 

[Noipoi]

The only Sony rep I'll accept is the girl with the big head from the old commercials

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I just heard from my source that Mario is being cut this time around.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I just heard from my source that Mario is being cut this time around.

Finally, the superior Doc shall triumph

 

[ninjahmos]

I just heard from my source that Mario is being cut this time around.

Well, in that case, they should cut all the Mario characters, including the ones that claim to be their own series

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I just heard from my source that Mario is being cut this time around.

On a related note, Link, Samus, Kirby and Pikachu have also been confirmed to be cut.

My cousin's pet chinchilla works for Nintendo and has corroborated this information.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Finally, the superior Doc shall triumph

Thanks, doc

 

[Noipoi]

Thanks, doc

And thank you for the PTSD this image just gave me

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

And thank you for the PTSD this image just gave me

Could be worse.

Much worse.

One might say it's so worse it's legendary.

 

[mynameisBlade]

I'm a little late on the SONY rep subject, but I think it'd be pretty cool to see these two in Smash.

This is where I go out on my limb alone and wager that Sakurai will never do any character that has already been portrayed in such a similar way to Smash. I think this is the real reason we didn't get Heihachi for Ultimate, but instead Kazuya as Playstation All Stars (successful or not) already did an interpretation of that character. This is what also leads me to believe Crash Bandicoot would be the ideal rep for Sony's olden days.

If anybody can convince Crash Bandicoot to join their cause, it's Sakurai. I know it'll be much easier now the he's owned by Xbox, but still. For the record and as much as I love Jak and Daxter/Sly Cooper, I doubt we'll ever see ANY character that was in PSABR in Smash.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

This is where I go out on my limb alone and wager that Sakurai will never do any character that has already been portrayed in such a similar way to Smash. I think this is the real reason we didn't get Heihachi for Ultimate, but instead Kazuya as Playstation All Stars (successful or not) already did an interpretation of that character.

Snake AND Simon were in DreamMix TV World Fighters, another platform fighter that existed on the GameCube.

This conspiracy theory does not pan out. We KNOW why Heihachi didn't make it and it's because Kazuya offered more with the Devil Gene.

 

[mynameisBlade]

Snake AND Simon were in DreamMix TV World Fighters, another platform fighter that existed on the GameCube.

This conspiracy theory does not pan out. We KNOW why Heihachi didn't make it and it's because Kazuya offered more with the Devil Gene.

Did Sakurai ever say that though? He was originally going to do Heihachi anyway wasn't he? That's why we got the Heihachi Mii? Something AAA worthy that has had the character crossover would still count. I've never even heard of DreamMix TV World Fighters tbh. I'd still say PSABR had a lot more eyes on it than that, regardless of whether or not it succeeded.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Because most people would argue that Toad is the fifth most prominent Mario character and would've made a lot of sense to come after Peach and Bowser.

I would have said 7th. Behind Wario and Yoshi, who have their own spinoff franchises.

Ngl Goombella would be LIT!!!

Tattle is the new Palutena's Guidance.

So we're talking about Sony reps, huh?

There's no way it's anything but Astro Bot now.

If **** ever gets so bad that we're at Peach getting cut, then the roster for the next game officially went nuclear and wiped out like, 90% of Ultimate's roster.

The Prophecy...

 

[ninjahmos]

For an alternative SONY rep, Spike from Ape Escape would also be pretty cool.

Or even Kratos. I just want him to be based off of the Greek Saga of God of War, with music from those games.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Did Sakurai ever say that though? He was originally going to do Heihachi anyway wasn't he? That's why we got the Heihachi Mii? Something AAA worthy that has had the character crossover would still count. I've never even heard of DreamMix TV World Fighters tbh. I'd still say PSABR had a lot more eyes on it than that, regardless of whether or not it succeeded.

Yes he did, actually. When explaining why Kazuya was picked in his showcase.

And stop moving the goalposts. The argument was that being in another platform fighter means they won't be in Smash and we have evidence to the contrary.
Doesn't matter if it's "AAA" or whatever (which....PSASBR? AAA title? Sony certainly didn't treat it as such, lol)

 

[Louie G.]

Did Sakurai ever say that though? He was originally going to do Heihachi anyway wasn't he? That's why we got the Heihachi Mii? Something AAA worthy that has had the character crossover would still count. I've never even heard of DreamMix TV World Fighters tbh. I'd still say PSABR had a lot more eyes on it than that, regardless of whether or not it succeeded.

Sakurai emphasized that Kazuya got the nod because his Devil Gene gave him a more realizable method of being implemented into Smash. Heihachi was the original concept in Smash 4 and Sakurai struggled to envision him in a satisfying way. I don't think it has less to do with Heihachi's presence in any other game and more to do with feasibility, like how Rex was ultimately cut off from Pyra and Mythra.

 

[Perkilator]

The third official tier list just dropped. Here’s a link.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

The third official tier list just dropped:

There was a problem fetching the tweet

There Was a Problem Fetching the Tweet is still the most OP character in Ultimate three years after the DLC ended. Pls nerf.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Kirby has his own platform fighter subseries nowadays. It is time to cut him.

 

[Gengar84]

I would have said 7th. Behind Wario and Yoshi, who have their own spinoff franchises.

Tattle is the new Palutena's Guidance.

There's no way it's anything but Astro Bot now.

The Prophecy...

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I don’t know. Horizon actually has Nintendo presence now and I don’t think Astro Bot does. I’m not sure if that’s actually a requirement or not but I’m sure it helps. Plus, Nintendo already has tons of platformers so I’d personally prefer something a bit different for third party.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Kirby has his own platform fighter subseries nowadays. It is time to cut him.

I am presuming you are joking but I'm posting this anyways

 

[fogbadge]

It's Spike (or Kakeru in Europe) from Ape Escape! The game released in 1999 for the PS1, and was the first game to require the DualShock controller!

ah, thanks

He's probably also unfamiliar because this is what Spike looked like in Ape Escape games the West actually got
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Since PSAS was made by Western devs I'm surprised they used his Million Monkeys design instead of his classic one. Was it mandated by the AE devs or something?

nope haven't seen that either