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I wouldn't put too much stock in mockrock's animation tier lists when Steve is consistently one of the top scorers for every single move despite the fact they are the far and away the ugliest moving character in the game.
Honestly I think Funky being popular really shows just how easy it is to have a popular character go under the radar purely because they weren't talked about.
He and Mr. Game & Watch tend to get a pass for having a very rigid animation style, though I suppose by this logic so too should Wii Fit Trainer. Still, I'd say the former two tend to sell their moves as attacks while Wii Fit Trainer doesn't really. I remember disagreeing with him about his opinion on their forward smash though, I think that one works quite well.
Yeah, Monstie Rathalos is a completely different vibe from mainline Rathalos. Rathalos as a boss is taller than the Hunters, and like twenty times as long. In Smash, even the scaled-down AT version is roughly as tall as Bowser and long enough to cover half the platform. Monstie Rathalos is pretty much a big Newfoundland, if that Newfoundland was a really weird dog with scales and wings. Plus, Ridley could be compacted into a hunched posture and Kraid is pretty rotund, so they could be reasonably scaled down while preserving their proportions (Though Kraid would be really pushing it); Rathalos is just long. I suppose we could move 'em a bit more upright in their flying posture, but even then they still fight on the ground to some degree.Oh yeah, then explain this image /s
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Though on the topic of Rathalos you could technically have him be playable size if you went for the Monster Hunter Stories version, but I kinda doubt people really want to play as baby Rathalos
Yeah I don't think doing left/right mix on a dragon whose width is greater than the entire stage is gonna make for fun or interesting gameplay.
You know I don’t know why , but I kind of always assumed Rathalos worked on Yoshi rules , where there is a species of Yoshi but there is also the character of Yoshi as a specific one.
On the topic of Funky, what would you want to see in his potential moveset?
Depending on how if works, Rathalos getting hit by attacks that don't hit behind on any other character might be an issue. If they put a hurtbox on the tail (which I wouldn't do) it could also get clipped by more projectiles and that one Morrigan super would shut it down entirely.
WFT should not have been a Fighter.
Wii Fit isn't really a game. It's wellness software.
You proved Nintendo characters could win popularity polls by having a poll with only Nintendo characters in it.
Realtalk: Any newcomer list that's over 3/4ths Nintendo characters is unrealistic.
I'm assuming the rosters being made are for base game and the initial roster is predominately First Party. In fact, we've only had two Third Party newcomers at base for all three games they've appeared in, so if anything past precedence shows the expectation should be for a low amount, not high.
With 15 newcomers?
I mean Melee had like 14, Brawl had 18, and Smash 4 had 14 in base without the Miis and 17 with them, so that's pretty typical outside of Ultimate's like 6 at base (11 with Echoes counted).
Joe & Mac (Caveman Ninja) for Smash?
This. And he won't. Raven Beak has humanoid proportions. That's easy to work with. Ridley..... not all that much.
Fair enough.
Lots of surfing and being funky. I'm not all too much sold on MK8 stuff. Please just , surfing, DK64 weaponry maybe and lots or creative liberty. He could work as a DK semi clone too. A form of likeness to DK is warranted, he was like that in his playable role in Tropical Freeze too.
Personally, I'm sorta feeling a 12-15 range for unique newcomers maybe, possibly like 14-17 with clones included, but that's just the feeling I have about it right now, and it's almost entirely based on Smash 4's numbers lol
Precisely!
Because you overcorrected big time. You took a popular series and nearly gutted it. You got rid of uber popular characters like Ike. The two landmark titles in Awakening and Three Houses now have nothing. Four characters is probably a happy medium.
A Fire Emblem roster likes this covers all the bases that should probably be covered. Maybe throw in a newcomer if you want but 4-5 is a much more reasonable number. That puts it around the size of Metroid, which is roughly as popular and historically important. Fire Emblem isn't a super obscure series anymore and hasn't been for years. Each game sells a few million copies nowadays
I think "he" is the operative word here.
What does Lanky Kong have to do with this?
Having a funny face.
is given far less vitriol than in the FE fandom.
Well firstly, you'll find the smash community (or any of them) being hard pressed to fully agree on any individual topic, especially one as contentious as cuts.
Funny enough, outside of 2019 where there seemed to be a huge push for
, had been ranked higher than her in every CYL the two were together. and , only in 2020 and 2023 (the year they both qualified) did the latter outrank. bogging things down.
Jeez! Why am I always ending up liking the worse character in the group?
You know guys, these are the reasons I'm not always making up rosters.
0/10 no
Ooof, I was sure I was forgetting something.0/10 no
I had a previously submitted roster above that included Falco, Bayonetta, Ken, and Steve but excluded Lyn, Isaac, and Chun-Li, and here is what the updated roster looks like. Please note that I count Pokemon Trainer as three fighters and Aegis as two.Here’s my most recent attempt at a 50-55 veteran and 10-12 newcomer roster (I’m excluding echoes from the counts).
Super Mario: The core four are obvious, and Daisy is an easy echo fighter. For other fighters, I went with Waluigi as he’s effectively the new Ridley. I didn’t want to cut Rosalina, but my constraints got the best of me.
Mario Sister Series: Ashley seems like a popular request, and Wario Ware had a couple games on the Switch.
Legend of Zelda: I find it hard to see us losing the main Triforce or Toon Link, and in Toon Link’s case, he seemed to be a high priority fighter going into For. Sidon helps represent Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom. I wanted to keep Sheik because I like her moveset, but I also wanted to give a couple newer fighters a chance.
Metroid: I don’t feel like there’s much to say here.
Kirby: We get our requested Bandana Waddle Dee.
Star Fox: With Sheik gone, I entertained also dropping Falco, but I think he’s easy enough to bring back.
Pokemon: Pokemon is a complicated one. In my opinion, Pikachu and Pokemon Trainer are the most important veterans, and Lucario is a popular pokemon outside of Kanto. Jigglypuff would scrape by like in Brawl and For. Tinkaton is a placholder for the promotional pokemon.
Not much to say about Mother and F-Zero
Ice Climber: I love Ice Climbers, but I do think they have some merit to stay because of their unique moveset, and I feel like Sakurai has a soft spot for them if he went to the point of removing 3DS gravity for trying to make them work.
Fire Emblem: This one is a really weird one. I’d probably start with Marth and Ike because the former is more or less the series poster child, and the latter is a popular protagonist. For the avatars, I’d at least keep Robin as (s)he seems to be the least divisive in the SSB community. Byleth would have been nice to keep given Three Houses‘ popularity, but there were other fighters that I would prioritize over her/him. While promotional newcomers are common for Fire Emblem, I think Engage is old enough that it would be skipped over.
Surprise Fighters: This one is kind of hard to gauge. The only one that I kept here is Mr. Game & Watch given his relative ease of development and his role as the surprise fighter poster child, but R.O.B. and Duck Hunt have their own merits too. I still think Excitebike Rider could work as a surprise fighter.
Kid Icarus: Palutena is a nice addition, but I had other priorities.
Pikmin: I think Oatchi could lead to an interesting moveset.
Animal Crossing: New Horizons is a behemoth, and Tom Nook is one of the most prominent characters missing.
Wii (Fit): Wii Fit Trainer is mostly a case of being a lower priority to me.
Punch-Out!!: Not too much to say except that Little Mac is a popular fighter.
Xenoblade: Shulk and Aegis have their own merits to stay on the roster in my opinion. Noah is like Alear where timing doesn’t seem to fit well for him.
Splatoon: I wanted to add a Splatoon newcomer, and I went with two given Octoling’s ease of an echo, and the second fighter is a pop idol duo.
ARMS: I could see Nintendo entertaining the idea of keeping ARMS.
New Franchises: Ring Fit Trainee is usually the frontrunner given Ring Fit Adventure’s huge success. I entertained Isaac, but I’m mostly focusing on building off of existing franchises here, and Excitebike is more or less the surprise fighter.
Third Parties: These are truly wild cards as this depends on licensing and where Sakurai/Nintendo wants to focus their licensing priorities. I think it‘s safe to say that Sonic, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Ryu, and to a lesser degree, Bayonetta would be higher priorties. After this, it gets pretty complicated where the question becomes how we’ll prioritize among most likely Konami, Square, and Microsoft. At the moment, I’ll lean towards Cloud and Steve as I think Square wants Cloud in the SSB Brand, and Steve seems to be an endeavor that Nintendo would try to go through again after going through a five year process to get him added. For newcomers, Knuckles is my twist on a Sonic fighter (going the Project + route here), and Lloyd seems like a popular enough request.
(Waluigi)(Ashley)(Sidon)(Lyn)(Tinkaton)(Bandana Waddle Dee)(Tom Nook)(Octoling) (Off the Hook)()(Oatchi)(Ring Fit Trainee)(Excitebike Rider)(Isaac)(Knuckles)(Chun-Li)(Lloyd Irving)(Octoling)
