Oh yeah, we just surpassed 1600 pages.
How many do you bet we’ll reach by the time the next Smash game is announced?
How many do you bet we’ll reach by the time the next Smash game is announced?
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Was gonna make an "OVER NINE-THOUSAAAAAND" joke but at our current rate and assuming the next Smash is revealed in 2026/27 that genuinely might not be a far-off estimateOh yeah, we just surpassed 1600 pages.
How many do you bet we’ll reach by the time the next Smash game is announced?
The thread's already ramping up. For reference...Oh yeah, we just surpassed 1600 pages.
How many do you bet we’ll reach by the time the next Smash game is announced?
Though, as I kind of alluded to, thinking of her as a true "recurring" character is a bit overblown. She appears in the 2 games with Marth, like a lot of other characters that appear in FE games that have a sequel/prequel (or whatever Thracia is), and it just so happens that those two games are both among the few old enough to have been remade. Then there is Awakening, where she is there to help tie in the whole concept of that game's world being a distant future of Marth's. So in terms of fully original mainline games, it's just one more than the 2 that a lot of characters get. Which she absolutely gets credit for, but in any case, it's definitely a different situation than Anna, who just gets wedged in everywhere as one of gaming's least surprising Easter eggs. I know I said myself they're similar but maybe not quite so much lol.Tiki is what many people think Anna is. She's genuinely very popular. She's reoccurring but with plot important roles in every appearance.
But if you haven't benched her in favor of Bantu you haven't really lived /jYou take Tiki out of Fire Emblem and the franchise loses its second most major character archetype
It'd work if the Social Threads weren't locked before they reached 6000 pages.Was gonna make an "OVER NINE-THOUSAAAAAND" joke but at our current rate and assuming the next Smash is revealed in 2026/27 that genuinely might not be a far-off estimate
Yeah, I think it's the Manakete archetype that really helps her shine through. Playing through a Fire Emblem game, each Lord is usually given a distinct class, but you'll still get multiple Cavaliers, multiple Mercenaries, multiple Pegasus Knights, etc., and depending on the game you might be able to reclass everyone to your heart's content.Though, as I kind of alluded to, thinking of her as a true "recurring" character is a bit overblown. She appears in the 2 games with Marth, like a lot of other characters that appear in FE games that have a sequel/prequel (or whatever Thracia is), and it just so happens that those two games are both among the few old enough to have been remade. Then there is Awakening, where she is there to help tie in the whole concept of that game's world being a distant future of Marth's. So in terms of fully original mainline games, it's just one more than the 2 that a lot of characters get. Which she absolutely gets credit for, but in any case, it's definitely a different situation than Anna, who just gets wedged in everywhere as one of gaming's least surprising Easter eggs. I know I said myself they're similar but maybe not quite so much lol.
Also, her roles I would say are definitely plot-relevant, though even the most avid fans must have to admit she's still ultimately a side-character, just one that helps tie certain things together, including lore-wise. And also only really comes into the picture mid- or late-game, which hurts a little bit.
Though I do agree she has genuine popularity, and the gains she made during the Awakening era have proved not to be a flash in the pan. And she does cover an important representative niche in FE, that of the manaketes (and really, transforming characters in general). That much must be conceded.
But if you haven't benched her in favor of Bantu you haven't really lived /j
There are surreal odds next game that Mario, Luigi, Wario
Of all the Mario characters in Smash Bros, the talk of voice made me realise that these four characters are the only characters who are voiced by their current voice actors
-Kevin Afghani has taken over for Charles Martinet
-Giselle Fernandez has taken over for Deanna Mustard
-Laura Faye Smith took over for Kerri Kane before Rosalina was even added to Smash
-With the exception of Roy, all the Koopalings received new voice actors with Mario Kart 8, but Smash Bros samples the voices from New Super Mario Bros
-Never had their regular voice in Smash to begin with, just computer noises essentially
-unsure who does the voice of the regular plants, Toru Minegishi does Petey Piranha. But in Smash both are mute
It's kinda wild just how mandatory a total Mario voice redo is becoming. Almost none of them sound what they do in current games anymore
I think Impa‘s Smash popularity is also born from a type of need for more Zelda characters. The one-off breakouts have all been AT’d despite relevant timing and popularity, so people figured that a new Zelda character must be a recurring character. Skull Kid fans are going the way of the K. Rool by translating his general popularity into concrete Smash demand, so we’’ll see which tactic works.Makes sense. It's been said before, but Smash fans have a tendency to prioritize "representation" over actually prominent or popular characters. Anna is assumed to be a major character due to being one of the few recurring characters, but she just doesn't have much to her beyond being the funny merchant who shows up everywhere. Impa might be in a similar boat, being a recurring character but not being quite as important as the Triforce holders or the popular one-shot characters. But the Zelda subreddit turned the poll down, so we won't be able to answer that.
Do keep in mind that the Choose Your Legends poll is heavily influenced by what is happening in Fire Emblem Heroes (outside of the first one, which was held before FEH’s launch). Tiki’s win, for example, was influenced by the fact that Awakening Tiki had received no alternate Hero form since the very first Summer summoning event five/six years prior, while Young Tiki (aka how she features in Marth’s games) got a continous stream of alternates throoughout the years. Tiki’s CYL win was pretty much a push to guarantee an Awakening Tiki alt (as the winners of the poll receive a Brave alternate form) and actually a pushback against Young Tiki, instead of being a result of the overall popularity of the character.Plus, she managed to win a CYOH poll, so the core FE fandom seems quite fond of her as well.
Also, agreed with this. CYL is in no way a good indicator of anything but a certain part of the community's leanings during that year and it is highly susceptible to recency bias and rallying. I mean for ****'s sake, we Morbius-ed our way into getting both Gatekeeper and a plot character we hadn't even seen yet into winning.I think Impa‘s Smash popularity is also born from a type of need for more Zelda characters. The one-off breakouts have all been AT’d despite relevant timing and popularity, so people figured that a new Zelda character must be a recurring character. Skull Kid fans are going the way of the K. Rool by translating his general popularity into concrete Smash demand, so we’’ll see which tactic works.
Do keep in mind that the Choose Your Legends poll is heavily influenced by what is happening in Fire Emblem Heroes (outside of the first one, which was held before FEH’s launch). Tiki’s win, for example, was influenced by the fact that Awakening Tiki had received no alternate Hero form since the very first Summer summoning event five/six years prior, while Young Tiki (aka how she features in Marth’s games) got a continous stream of alternates throoughout the years. Tiki’s CYL win was pretty much a push to guarantee an Awakening Tiki alt (as the winners of the poll receive a Brave alternate form) and actually a pushback against Young Tiki, instead of being a result of the overall popularity of the character.
Given how big Mario is for Nintendo and that he's changed a voice actor, I'd imagine they'd force them to stop reusing Brawl voice clips and record new ones for Mario, Luigi, and Wario at least. Other than that, I imagine the rest will either go untouched, or sample their new portrayals. I'd be willing to bet that older portrayals are chosen due to the fact that the sound library is bigger, and are thus more likely to get the clips needed.
Of all the Mario characters in Smash Bros, the talk of voice made me realise that these four characters are the only characters who are voiced by their current voice actors
-Kevin Afghani has taken over for Charles Martinet
-Giselle Fernandez has taken over for Deanna Mustard
-Laura Faye Smith took over for Kerri Kane before Rosalina was even added to Smash
-With the exception of Roy, all the Koopalings received new voice actors with Mario Kart 8, but Smash Bros samples the voices from New Super Mario Bros
-Never had their regular voice in Smash to begin with, just computer noises essentially
-unsure who does the voice of the regular plants, Toru Minegishi does Petey Piranha. But in Smash both are mute
It's kinda wild just how mandatory a total Mario voice redo is becoming. Almost none of them sound what they do in current games anymore
♫I'm a Metal Head, a Metal Head, a Metal Head, a Metal Head♫-Never had their regular voice in Smash to begin with, just computer noises essentially
You make some good points here, and sure, the manakete angle definitely makes her stand out, which I mentioned in brief myself. And again, I don't argue she's a plenty popular character, and her status as a manakete being a big component of that doesn't seem like any stretch. Though I also don't think it would ever boil down to "we need to represent the manaketes with a character," it's just a representative niche for her, which is of course important to have. But besides, the other item hanging over this conversation about manaketes is, well, the IMO likelier possibility of simply returning Corrin, who technically already brings some of that dragonforming angle into Smash; not that Tiki and Corrin couldn't coexist, and I think they would be way, way different, I'm just saying it cuts into the idea of "we should add Tiki explicitly because we're looking for someone to represent the manaketes / transforming characters," at least in a basic form.Yeah, I think it's the Manakete archetype that really helps her shine through. Playing through a Fire Emblem game, each Lord is usually given a distinct class, but you'll still get multiple Cavaliers, multiple Mercenaries, multiple Pegasus Knights, etc., and depending on the game you might be able to reclass everyone to your heart's content.
But the Manaketes? Those are special. It's a rare treat to get more than one Manakete a game, rarer still if that second dragon isn't gained through child units or DLC. And again, they can turn into a friggin' dragon. Plus, Manakete NPCs are often pretty important in the setting, even seen as gods in some cases, so being a dragon in Fire Emblem nets some extra prestige beyond the inherent cool factor of being a dragon.
The only other "special" unit I can really think of beyond the Lords are the Dancers. While they're pretty useful, they're usually just support classes to let your other units move again, and they usually don't have any special weapons or attacks. They're also usually just some girl without the same uniqueness as the Manaketes; The only important Dancer I can really think of is Azura, and while decently popular, I don't think she's that popular overall.
So it makes sense why Tiki has more of a dedicated following than Anna; Even if she only rarely shows up overall, she represents a unique archetype in both the gameplay and the narrative beyond being the funny NPC, so there's actually something to get invested in short of her attendance count.
There are even things like Samantha Kelly having different Voice direction in Princess Peach Showtime compared to her other appearances (although I think time will tell if that direction appears outside of that game.)It's kinda wild just how mandatory a total Mario voice redo is becoming. Almost none of them sound what they do in current games anymore
We know that's not true. The internet seems to think she's very Smash-popular. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)I really wouldn't use FEH/CYL, FEW, and Engage Emblems for particularly strong evidence for her considering that bar is so low, Camilla fulfills all 3 of them and I definitely don't think she's very Smash-popular.
I mean, the Hero's Shade would be a cool alternate costume for Link. Heck, I'm surprised he didn't get an armor set for Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom when we got Dark Link and somehow Phantom Ganon as armor sets.It's like using the popularity or "iconic-ness" of Ocarina of Time Link to vouch for the Hero's Shade.
(spoilers for FE7)Lyn, the clear-cut character people are begging to break into smash... is kinda minor in the grand scheme of both the franchise and even the original game she comes from.
It would probably make the CSS load even slower, but it would've been cool to have some alt sets as DLC or update content. Stuff like Hero's Shade, or Samus' different suit designs, or maybe some of the Heroes alt costumes. It wouldn't matter much in the grand scheme of things but it'd be a nice little bonus.We know that's not true. The internet seems to think she's very Smash-popular. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I mean, the Hero's Shade would be a cool alternate costume for Link. Heck, I'm surprised he didn't get an armor set for Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom when we got Dark Link and somehow Phantom Ganon as armor sets.
It'd probably help the CSS a bit if they bring back the 3D models on the CSS like Smash 64. It'd also give them less work on making a 3D Art Render for all of the costumes, with some exceptions like alternate characters like the Koopalings, Alph, the DQ Heroes, Alex/Zombie/Enderman, the characters with genderswaps and whatnot.It would probably make the CSS load even slower, but it would've been cool to have some alt sets as DLC or update content. Stuff like Hero's Shade, or Samus' different suit designs, or maybe some of the Heroes alt costumes. It wouldn't matter much in the grand scheme of things but it'd be a nice little bonus.
I never understood this saying. Exceptions prove that something isn't a rule.but I'd argue he's the exception that proves the rule.
Ba da bee ba badadda da be dooo.How do you imagine the next Smash Theme sounding like?
Sakurai said it himself. Plant was chosen because it's not a hero or a villain. The fact that it's a character you wouldn't come to expect based on previous picks is what made him go for it.I never understood this saying. Exceptions prove that something isn't a rule.
It just seems like a fancy way of saying "Okay, well, BESIDES that..."
I have to ask, when did Sakurai establish this first? The only time I recall him stating this was with Min-Min and the "main character of ARMS" topic, and even back then it was a confusing justification.Smash had previously established that only major characters get to join the roster.
When used correctly, it means that 1, the exception is so unlikely to happen again that it implies that the rule is in place, or 2, the explanation for the exception implies that the rule exists (Ex. a rule about acquiring special permission to do something implies that you're normally not allowed).I never understood this saying. Exceptions prove that something isn't a rule.
It just seems like a fancy way of saying "Okay, well, BESIDES that..."
And what about Wolf? He's not THE main antagonist of Star Fox, he's just the most prominent one that has a full body instead of being a giant head with floating hands.I have to ask, when did Sakurai establish this first? The only time I recall him stating this was with Min-Min and the "main character of ARMS" topic, and even back then it was a confusing justification.
To be fair, it makes sense that Smash would try to do this, especially given some of its patterns, but its actual execution of the rule can (and has) bended some. Plant isn't even the first exception that comes to my mind, as Rosalina and Bowser Jr also defy this trend to certain degrees. At this point, what's the cutoff point for being a major character? Even the argument of being prominent to the game's structure does not seem all that strong anymore, which to me makes the standard of specifically adding main characters to Smash rather subjective.
I believe the answer is noRemind me if Wolf was planned for SSB Melee, because I see him in the intro but i don't see Falco:
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Honestly, it wouldn't really.It would probably make the CSS load even slower, but it would've been cool to have some alt sets as DLC or update content. Stuff like Hero's Shade, or Samus' different suit designs, or maybe some of the Heroes alt costumes. It wouldn't matter much in the grand scheme of things but it'd be a nice little bonus.
He never was planned, that's a myth.Remind me if Wolf was planned for SSB Melee, because I see him in the intro but i don't see Falco:
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I've said it before. We're either very unlucky or very lucky that Nintendo didn't do DLC Costumes for non-Miis. Because there are so many characters with so much costume potential, and we'd be probably sucked dry if Nintendo went the full mile.But don't get me started on the wasted potential of DLC costumes, I could be here forever...
Luckily it's only an extremely small percentage of people who bought/downloaded a game who buy all th...and we'd be probably sucked dry
I still think a good compromise would be to keep Mii Costumes as DLC and add costumes for non-Mii characters in the base game.I've said it before. We're either very unlucky or very lucky that Nintendo didn't do DLC Costumes for non-Miis. Because there are so many characters with so much costume potential, and we'd be probably sucked dry if Nintendo went the full mile.
I feel like if they did that Sakurai would still adhere to the 8 costume limit, which as any Fire Mario fans know already has issues.add costumes for non-Mii characters in the base game.
It really bugs me that so many characters get ridiculous the attention to detail, yet iconic Nintendo staples like Bowser & DK can't have their regular voices for some reason.-Never had their regular voice in Smash to begin with, just computer noises essentially
I will continue to hold out hope that one day Smash will adopt modern standard costume and color selections.I feel like if they did that Sakurai would still adhere to the 8 costume limit, which as any Fire Mario fans know already has issues.
The reason is a Sakurai-ism.It really bugs me that so many characters get ridiculous the attention to detail, yet iconic Nintendo staples like Bowser & DK can't have their regular voices for some reason.
Bowser and DK were like that in the 64/Melee era.The reason is a Sakurai-ism.
He has always seen Bowser and DK as more of kaiju and beast respectively, explaining their rather off kilter depictions in Melee/Brawl.