Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

Yeah personally I'd love to see Sakurai's take on a modern Mach Rider but to me it feels like this is pretty much it for retro Nintendo NES characters.
Bomberman, Bub, Hayabusa are more interesting at this point imho. And for retro Nintendo characters I'd like the clock to move forward a little. GC/GBA are a gold mine of weird, interesting Nintendo IPs, even outside of the most obvious ones like Golden Sun and Advance Wars, you have Starfy, Kururin, Doshin, Chibi-Robo, Eternal Darkness... Most of these would be more interesting than the Nth NES throwback in my opinion.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

I'd much prefer iconic 3P NES characters over Nintendo's D-listers.

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Just NES? Even SNES is retro already.

 

[Potted Plant]

Yeah personally I'd love to see Sakurai's take on a modern Mach Rider but to me it feels like this is pretty much it for retro Nintendo NES characters.
Bomberman, Bub, Hayabusa are more interesting at this point imho. And for retro Nintendo characters I'd like the clock to move forward a little. GC/GBA are a gold mine of weird, interesting Nintendo IPs, even outside of the most obvious ones like Golden Sun and Advance Wars, you have Starfy, Kururin, Doshin, Chibi-Robo, Eternal Darkness... Most of these would be more interesting than the Nth NES throwback in my opinion.

I remember a few months ago brainstorming a "Sanity Effects" Assist Trophy. Stuff like false online alerts, pretending like the controller has disconnected, Switch error messages, etc.

 

[fogbadge]

it'd be pretty cool if they also added Venom Snake as an alt.

these marvel crossovers are getting out of hand

 

[Hypercat-Z]

I remember a few months ago brainstorming a "Sanity Effects" Assist Trophy. Stuff like false online alerts, pretending like the controller has disconnected, Switch error messages, etc.

How about remaking the entire assist trophy system entirely?
At the beginning of the game you choose four assistant characters from a second roster and you assign them to the foour D-pad directions.
In the classic mode you can use all of them only once, and you can use only one assistant for match, included the boss fight(s).
The same rules are worth in arena battles: You can only use the assistants you are left with from the previous matches until you drop of the ring.

 

[Oracle Link]

Makes sense. Rauru's more of a prediction and a "heh he'd represent TOTK better than a half-baked update on Link" than something the hardcore fanbase actually wants. Those characters would come from classic Zeldas like MM, TP, etc.

I would say totk/BOTW rep should be a mix of classic and modern rep!

Theres AOC Impa, Mipha or Yunobo as really good middle of the road choices that have some classic flair to them!

Other than thos SS Impa, Ganon, Skull Kid and midna Seem to be the most popular Characters!

I still think octorok could be fun but yeah he should be more of a later addition!

 

[fogbadge]

How about remaking the entire assist trophy system entirely?
At the beginning of the game you choose four assistant characters from a second roster and you assign them to the foour D-pad directions.
In the classic mode you can use all of them only once, and you can use only one assistant for match, included the boss fight(s).
The same rules are worth in arena battles: You can only use the assistants you are left with from the previous matches until you drop of the ring.

sounds boring

 

[Laniv]

Yeah it's high time the "retro character" umbrella for expanded to include SNES, N64, and Game Boy at the very least. Bring in Lip, Muddy Mole, and Lark!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I remember a few months ago brainstorming a "Sanity Effects" Assist Trophy. Stuff like false online alerts, pretending like the controller has disconnected, Switch error messages, etc.

I doubt they'll get meta with something like that because people are gullible and assume the thing is actually happening. For example, Missingno used to be in SSF2, he'd appear, and put up a fake Blue Screen of Death. Despite the text telling you that the blue screen was fake and the effect only lasted for a second or two, and the fact that it's insanely difficult to blue screen a modern computer, it was still removed because people thought it actually glitched out their computer.

 

[fogbadge]

I doubt they'll get meta with something like that because people are gullible and assume the thing is actually happening. For example, Missingno used to be in SSF2, he'd appear, and put up a fake Blue Screen of Death. Despite the text telling you that the blue screen was fake and the effect only lasted for a second or two, and the fact that it's insanely difficult to blue screen a modern computer, it was still removed because people thought it actually glitched out their computer.

Missingno was in Super Street Fighter 2?

 

[Gorgonzales]

How about remaking the entire assist trophy system entirely?
At the beginning of the game you choose four assistant characters from a second roster and you assign them to the foour D-pad directions.
In the classic mode you can use all of them only once, and you can use only one assistant for match, included the boss fight(s).
The same rules are worth in arena battles: You can only use the assistants you are left with from the previous matches until you drop of the ring.

I'd like a remake of assists but not in this way.

I'd like something more akin to Fraymakers where you select one assist that performs a simple move/function, with the player being able to summon them after filling a meter.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

I like assists as they are now. The fact they're different from assists in other games is more of a cool thing. Filling up a meter could be interesting, but I don't see a reason to drastically change the system.

 

[Perkilator]

You know, for how simplistic Spirits are in terms of development, I kinda wish they had a “no stone left unturned” mentality in terms of which properties get representation via Spirits. Not just among Nintendo properties, but among the properties owned by, at the very least, the 3rd party companies whose characters are in base SSBU.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Just NES? Even SNES is retro already.

Yes, but when the Smash fandom talks about the "retro pick", it's always an NES character.

Regardless, no matter the console generation, I'd still prefer iconic 3P characters over Nintendo D-listers.

I like assists as they are now. The fact they're different from assists in other games is more of a cool thing. Filling up a meter could be interesting, but I don't see a reason to drastically change the system.

And even if they did make it a meter, there's no reason to add a new meter. Just use the FS Meter.

FS Meter full? Decide if you want to use your FS...or summon your AT.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

With the NES it doesn't hurt that there's still a ton of one shot/obscure first franchises that didn't really come back in a significant way after that generation, more so than the SNES which outside some Japan only IP's or Stunt Race FX largely introduced pretty enduring series.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Makes sense. Rauru's more of a prediction and a "heh he'd represent TOTK better than a half-baked update on Link" than something the hardcore fanbase actually wants. Those characters would come from classic Zeldas like MM, TP, etc.

Can I ask if Dixie still doing well?

Rauru support hasn't ever felt too genuine to me to be honest. He's simply a way to incorporate Ultra Hand as a character basically cause we know Link isn't going to.

Seriously curios who the most requested Zelda character is going to be on the poll made by Swamp Sensei .

 

[SPEN18]

Rauru support hasn't ever felt too genuine to me to be honest. He's simply a way to incorporate Ultra Hand as a character basically cause we know Link isn't going to.

Seriously curios who the most requested Zelda character is going to be on the poll made by Swamp Sensei .

I'd be surprised if it's not still the Kid.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Missingno was in Super Street Fighter 2?

Super Smash Flash 2.

 

[ninjahmos]

Yeah it's high time the "retro character" umbrella for expanded to include SNES, N64, and Game Boy at the very least. Bring in Lip, Muddy Mole, and Lark!

You know who I kinda would like to see get in that'd probably be considered WTF picks? Someone like Ryota Hayami (Wave Race), Ricky Winterborn or Akari Hayami (1080°) or even Alexandra Roivas or Pious Augustus (Eternal Darkness)

 

[Hypercat-Z]

If we are talking of WTF retro characters this is big in the list:

 

[DarthEnderX]

If we are talking of WTF retro characters this is big in the list:

Not as big as:

 

[Hypercat-Z]

Not as big as:

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He reminds me of...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'd be surprised if it's not still the Kid.

It is indeed... The Kid...

But Impa overtook Midna by three votes.

 

[Diddy Kong]

It is indeed... The Kid...

But Impa overtook Midna by three votes.

But can we honestly expect The Kid if The Child of Time isn't on the roster? Something with thematics.

I still stand strong for Impa however.

 

[Louie G.]

But can we honestly expect The Kid if The Child of Time isn't on the roster? Something with thematics.

I don’t think it really matters. Similarly I’d gladly welcome Tetra with or without Toon Link and certainly Midna without her variant of Link. At that point I feel most people would be content to accept someone like Skull Kid as the vessel to represent Majora’s Mask through… this was definitely never the barrier of entry.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

But can we honestly expect The Kid if The Child of Time isn't on the roster? Something with thematics.

I still stand strong for Impa however.

I'm not hard expecting the Skull Kid, but I don't think not having the Hero of Time is a barrier to entry for him. In fact, the fact he's repping a different game than the others could be seen as a plus. The main thing is less thematics and more the fact that he hasn't appeared since The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess not counting Hyrule Warriors and Cadence of Hyrule.

Even so he remains an iconic character, and I think that can get him in.

 

[Guynamednelson]

But can we honestly expect The Kid if The Child of Time isn't on the roster? Something with thematics

Young Link isn't supposed to represent MM as much as he is the beginning of OoT, he's using the starter equipment from that game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Young Link isn't supposed to represent MM as much as he is the beginning of OoT, he's using the starter equipment from that game.

True which is weird cause I wish I could start Ocarina of Time with the Bow and Fire Arrows and Hookshot. That Kokiri Sword is also a tad longer than usual, and his "home stage" is the Termina Great Bay.

They sure didn't think this through.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I think it’s fine for Skull Kid to be there without Young Link, considering he wields the titular Majora’s Mask

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

Young Link needs to stay. The most iconic and fun to play as Link in the Smash roster.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

True which is weird cause I wish I could start Ocarina of Time with the Bow and Fire Arrows and Hookshot. That Kokiri Sword is also a tad longer than usual, and his "home stage" is the Termina Great Bay.

They sure didn't think this through.

Young link is like a bridge between OOT and MM.
What we really need IMHO is Midna riding Wolf Link and riding Shadow Wolf as alt, so she can be a rep of both Twilight Princess and Hyrule Warriors.
They could use The Duck Hunt Duo as base.

 

[fogbadge]

True which is weird cause I wish I could start Ocarina of Time with the Bow and Fire Arrows and Hookshot. That Kokiri Sword is also a tad longer than usual, and his "home stage" is the Termina Great Bay.

They sure didn't think this through.

business as usual then

 

[HyperSomari64]

Isn't The Kid from I Wanna be The Guy?

 

[ninjahmos]

You know how we discussed that Smash seems to only use franchises that are popular in Japan? Well, remind me again…are there any Western-developed games or franchises that are popular in Japan?

 

[SPEN18]

But can we honestly expect The Kid if The Child of Time isn't on the roster? Something with thematics.

Nah, esp. if the main Link is gonna remain mostly like Wild-era Link, it's kind of silly IMO to say we need to have the Link from X game before we get any other character from that game.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Isn't The Kid from I Wanna be The Guy?

Not if he has a skull.

 

[Ivander]

You know how we discussed that Smash seems to only use franchises that are popular in Japan? Well, remind me again…are there any Western-developed games or franchises that are popular in Japan?

Shantae.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

Shantae.

Just that?
Is Rayman any popular in Japan?
I once dreamt that Rayman was in Super Smash Bros. and had a blue attire as alt., but in the japanese language the blue attire became his main one because purple is an negative color in Japan, as much as the number four.

 

[Ivander]

Just that?
Is Rayman any popular in Japan?

Shantae was the only one I was certain of.

As for Rayman, sadly he's not by a whole lot.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Shantae was the only one I was certain of.

As for Rayman, sadly he's not by a whole lot.

Yeah, I heard somewhere that the Rabbids are unironically more popular in Japan than Rayman is. Don't have a source, so don't quote me on that, but I guess it would explain a few things...