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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

DarthEnderX

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Crossing the clone talk with the Kirby talk, what are everyone's thoughts on Galacta Knight, Morpho Knight, and Dark Meta Knight?
Dark Meta Knight should be an alt costume for Meta Knight He's a dark copy of Meta Knight.

Galacta Knight should be an Echo of Meta Knight. He's an entirely separate character.

Morpho Knight should be an alt costume for Galacta Knight. They're the same character.

I feel like it's between Galacta and Morpho at this point. Galacta Knight is a bit more prominent, but as you said, Morpho Knight is the new hotness.
They're the same character! Morpho Knight is just Galacta Knight fused with a butterfly.
 
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They're the same character! Morpho Knight is just Galacta Knight fused with a butterfly.
I mean technically, Morpho is just the butterfly (called a "butterfly of paradise" in Star Allies Japanese pause menus, said to appear after something perishes and bring about judgement day) and according to his figurine in Forgotten Land, it feasts on the most powerful soul it can find and then becomes the scarlet-clad knight, so Galacta Knight's soul may have just been devoured like Fecto Forgo's and possibly subsequently released when Morpho is beaten, since Chaos Elfilis exists even after Fecto Forgo is devoured.

Same role, but I'm pretty sure they're different characters.

also yes typing that was very funny for a butterfly in a kirby game lol
 

DarthEnderX

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I saw a lot of people making their prediction rosters and I wanted to join in the fun but instead of just picking favorites I found this Tiermaker list with 150 potential newcomers and arranged them all in corresponding tiers.
Hayabusa in "Don't care" tier


my tier list below, tiers separated by varying levels of enthusiasm
Hayabusa in "Most Wanted" tier


You're acting like Nook with Chapter 7 Bankruptcy from Hunter x Hunter wouldn't go hard.
Tom Knuckle.

No, this one is very much based in reality. Parents of young children complained endlessly about Resetti scaring their kids around when City Folk came out. The European manual straight up included a content warning disclaimer about him.
Those kids are in their 20s now. Today's kids don't know scary Resetti.


Anyway, Resetti and KK would both be fine as ATs. Nook has Fighter potential.

also yes typing that was very funny for a butterfly in a kirby game lol
Hey now. Kirby's lore famously goes hard.
 
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Hey now. Kirby's lore famously goes hard.
Oh I know, it's just always funny that Kirby games have given me trust issues to the point whenever a game comes out now I look to see if that butterfly is in the opening, lest I be jumpscared by his soul-devouring judgement lol
 

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I never really understand resetti
Reset Ti heh
He was that AT in Brawl where the giant speech bubble came up and interfered with the match for 20 minutes. I used to just beat on him bc he was invincible but it was still fun. Fun like wall jamming as Kirby on Onett.. fun like spamming DACUS with Snake on Green Hill Zone... fun like _____

I MISS BRAWL SOMETIMES
For real.
The funniest Assist Trophy the series has ever had and they shelved him after one game.
Justice 4 Resetti
 

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If The Prince from Katamari ever gets into Smash, I wonder if they'd be able to get the original composers (and other composers) at Bandai Namco to remix their songs from the series… Especially Yuu Miyake, who I believe is freelancing these days…
 
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I'm thinking about Squad Strike and how well-designed of a mode it is. It's such a fantastic side mode to Smash and is very well-thought out and executed.

So naturally the pessimist side of me says it's too good and will be absent from the next game for literally no reason.
I’d love to see it expanded with team attacks on switch in and other mechanics like other team based fighting games. If they pushed that enough, I think I could be okay with removing the pre-set teams Smash has already and making them their own characters. My only concern then is that some characters may not make the roster that otherwise could have as part of a set team. For example, I don’t think we’d have ever gotten solo Squirtle, Ivysaur, Mythra, Sheik, or Zero Suit Samus if transform duos were never a thing.
 
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By that logic, Link wouldn’t have gotten his Champion’s Tunic unless he was a DLC fighter. I mean, after all, Min Min and Pyra/Mythra are DLC fighters from games released in 2017, right?

My point is, giving a veteran alts based on their most recent games isn’t the same thing as trying to squeeze a character from a game released during a Smash game’s development into the base roster. Sakurai is surely at least aware of Prime 4’s existence, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume he can make a 50/50 split between the Prime 4 and Dread designs work with Samus.
Going back to this, I think I'll do a 50/50 split right now:
  • Dread Suit (default)
    • Power Suit (blue/white, default)
    • Varia Suit (orange/white)
    • Gravity Suit (purple white)
    • Fusion Suit (blue/yellow)
    • Fusion Varia Suit (green/pink)
    • Fusion Gravity Suit (lavender/blue)
    • E.M.M.I. (white)
    • Metroid Suit (special costume)
  • Prime Suit
    • Varia Suit (default)
    • NES Gravity Suit (pink)
    • Prime Gravity Suit (purple)
    • "Mass-produced Samus" (green)
    • Dark Suit (brown)
    • Light Suit (white)
    • Power Trooper (black)
    • Classic Power Suit (special costume)
 
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This bring up a question I've been thinking about: What other potential newcomers could be added as a semi-clone?
Two words. Dixie. Kong.

...Other than her, Spring Man as a Min-Min semi seems easy enough. Of course with Min Min being the way she be, another of her... dosen't excite me, but it would make sense.

Crossing the clone talk with the Kirby talk, what are everyone's thoughts on Galacta Knight, Morpho Knight, and Dark Meta Knight?
The obvious correct answer is Galactia Knight with Meta Knight's exact Brawl moveset. :p And TBH I only say that half-ironically. Don't actually make him broken ofc, that's bad for the game, but a Meta Knight semi-clone that gives his kit the same sense of "excess" as someone like Sepiroth.... (rubs hands) Oh yes.

And like Darth suggests sometimes. Dark Meta Knight as an alt, Morpho as a Galactia Knight alt. I don't think it'd happen and I'd be fine with just Galactia, but shoving the whole quadrio in would be epic.

speaking of animal crossing, any else up for digby as isabelle's echo?
I wouldn't be opposed.
 
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So we all want a Bowser's Castle stage, but assuming we will finally get one (that isn't a sucky third transition of an aggressively mediocre stage), which game would you want it to take the most inspiration from:
  • Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario Bros. 3
  • Super Mario World
  • New Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario 3D Land
  • Super Mario 3D World
  • Super Mario Bros. Wonder
  • Mario Kart (explain which track if you have a specific one in mind)

I personally am just looking for a stage that replaces the bottom blast zone with lava and is otherwise great for a 1v1 showdown. My vote would have to go to New Super Mario Bros., or if they don't go retro with it, Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World's castles would also satisfy me. I'm not super keen on World Bowser or Bowser Castle from Super Mario Bros. Wonder since the former isn't really a castle, and the latter is super green, which isn't what I had in mind.
 

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Oh yeah, Nintendo released a new Echoes of Wisdom trailer earlier today:
I guess the only way I can make this Smash-relevant is…could the Echo mechanic from this game replace the Phantom Slash?
Why Phantom Slash? That move just because a cornerstone to her kit?
 

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I guess the only way I can make this Smash-relevant is…could the Echo mechanic from this game replace the Phantom Slash?
The Legend of Zelda, but Zelda's in Creative Mode. lul

To actually answer your question though, probably not. Maybe they'd give her the Tri Rod to contextualize Phantom Slash, but it's doubtful they'd get rid of it.
 

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So we all want a Bowser's Castle stage, but assuming we will finally get one (that isn't a sucky third transition of an aggressively mediocre stage), which game would you want it to take the most inspiration from:
Anything that's a bridge over lava seems like it'd be the iconic choice.

Though SMB3 was always my favorite. Laser statues ftw!
 

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Oh yeah, Nintendo released a new Echoes of Wisdom trailer earlier today:
I guess the only way I can make this Smash-relevant is…could the Echo mechanic from this game replace the Phantom Slash?
how would you all feel about bind becoming a new grab for zelda?

I decided to make a silly little meme, please don’t use this maliciously.
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I also made a silly meme recently
 
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So we all want a Bowser's Castle stage, but assuming we will finally get one (that isn't a sucky third transition of an aggressively mediocre stage), which game would you want it to take the most inspiration from:
  • Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario Bros. 3
  • Super Mario World
  • New Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario 3D Land
  • Super Mario 3D World
  • Super Mario Bros. Wonder
  • Mario Kart (explain which track if you have a specific one in mind)

I personally am just looking for a stage that replaces the bottom blast zone with lava and is otherwise great for a 1v1 showdown. My vote would have to go to New Super Mario Bros., or if they don't go retro with it, Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World's castles would also satisfy me. I'm not super keen on World Bowser or Bowser Castle from Super Mario Bros. Wonder since the former isn't really a castle, and the latter is super green, which isn't what I had in mind.
I honestly think it could benefit from being a composite/original design instead of being tied to one game. I'd like a variety of hazards from different games anyhow like podoboos from SMB1 and the Reznor Wheel from SMW (Actual Reznors not included).
 

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Horace bros.......our time is coming soon......
I'm in the UK and ordered a copy this week (it was like £5 on amazon) - it's certainly not good, but honestly had a good time with it and can imagine at least playing a round or two of the custom quiz at parties. Still surprised the main theme wasn't present in Ultimate honestly. But yeah, if you can get it for super cheap it could be worse as far as party games go (especially with it allowing so many players).

Also, I've been thinking recently, and I'm honestly convinced that an undertale or deltarune character might be the most likely third party character for the next game? Absolutely biased but when you look at it it makes sense - only mii costume to come with a remix rather than just taking music from the game, Toby Fox and Sakurai actually know each-other, they acknowledged sans was a super popular request, it seems Toby is easy to work with, and importantly I'd assume the sans costume sold very well. Also them never adding undertale spirits is just weird to me.
 

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So we all want a Bowser's Castle stage, but assuming we will finally get one (that isn't a sucky third transition of an aggressively mediocre stage), which game would you want it to take the most inspiration from:
  • Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario Bros. 3
  • Super Mario World
  • New Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario 3D Land
  • Super Mario 3D World
  • Super Mario Bros. Wonder
  • Mario Kart (explain which track if you have a specific one in mind)

I personally am just looking for a stage that replaces the bottom blast zone with lava and is otherwise great for a 1v1 showdown. My vote would have to go to New Super Mario Bros., or if they don't go retro with it, Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World's castles would also satisfy me. I'm not super keen on World Bowser or Bowser Castle from Super Mario Bros. Wonder since the former isn't really a castle, and the latter is super green, which isn't what I had in mind.
I’m also for the New Super Mario Bros. (most likely either the DS or Wii) version. I suspect this becomes more likely if we get a port/remake of one of these games.

We don’t have any Mario volcanic levels either, so having this stage on the outside of the castle, likely on the walls would be appreciated.

I feel like the classic games and Wonder lend themselves better to other possibilities. Especially Wonder.

Let Mario Kart do its own thing, either another Circuit track, bringing back Rainbow Road, or the off-chance we actually get Waluigi Pinball.
 
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Also, I've been thinking recently, and I'm honestly convinced that an undertale or deltarune character might be the most likely third party character for the next game?
Undertale, I mostly agree. Dunno if I'd go as far as to say most likely third party but it does have pretty much everything going for it rn. But Deltatrune? I doubt it. As a playable character at least. I don't think they'd put in a character from a unfinished game. I imagine side content from Deltarune would be fair game tho
 
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I'd say a stage at best, unless they decide to make Horace into a playable character.
Honestly this would be the funniest newcomer imo - he'd work as well, just give him moves from the 1, 2, switch minigames. Absolutely don't want him in any way, but I don't think I'd have a choice but to respect it as an insane pick.
 

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Honestly this would be the funniest newcomer imo - he'd work as well, just give him moves from the 1, 2, switch minigames. Absolutely don't want him in any way, but I don't think I'd have a choice but to respect it as an insane pick.
Well, one thing's for sure, I would definitely try Horace out as a playable character.

THAT said, on an unrelated note, I wonder what Sakurai is doing right now? Is he working on a new game? It does not necessarily have to be a Smash Bros. game, but any game in general.
 

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This brings up something important.

What content do you expect the 1-2 Switch franchise to get in the next Smash?
A new remix that's just a medley/arrangement of some tracks from the game. It happened with Freakyforms, it happened with Snipperclips, so I'm pretty sure if 1-2 Switch gets any content it'll be that.
 

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So we all want a Bowser's Castle stage, but assuming we will finally get one (that isn't a sucky third transition of an aggressively mediocre stage), which game would you want it to take the most inspiration from:
  • Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario Bros. 3
  • Super Mario World
  • New Super Mario Bros.
  • Super Mario 3D Land
  • Super Mario 3D World
  • Super Mario Bros. Wonder
  • Mario Kart (explain which track if you have a specific one in mind)

I personally am just looking for a stage that replaces the bottom blast zone with lava and is otherwise great for a 1v1 showdown. My vote would have to go to New Super Mario Bros., or if they don't go retro with it, Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World's castles would also satisfy me. I'm not super keen on World Bowser or Bowser Castle from Super Mario Bros. Wonder since the former isn't really a castle, and the latter is super green, which isn't what I had in mind.
Honestly, I would go for a pretty generic Bowser's Castle instead of anything specific to a game, similar to most 64 and Melee stages. If I had to choose specific inspiration, probably 3D Land and SNES BC3's redesign, those are pretty archetypical.

I'd like World Bowser or Bowser Kingdom from Odyssey, but we need a basic Bowser Castle first
Why Phantom Slash? That move just because a cornerstone to her kit?
I wouldn't be surprised if they swap out Phantom Slash for an Echo attack, but I'm pretty sure it would be almost entirely cosmetic. Similar to how Pit and Link got alterations to their Down Bs to better represent their new games.
 

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If we ever get a Pilotwings character, I'm hoping we not only get music from Pilotwings 64, but also a remix of the SNES Hang Glider theme with elements of the 64 Hang Glider theme. And more music from the original game.
 

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Sorry to go back to it, but Resetti's situation is just very unfortunate in that he has some of the most unique potential among possible Animal Crossing fighters. Seeing him angrily stomp around with his wildly swinging pickaxe and startle opponents as he bursts out of the ground would be a sight to see in Smash. But yeah, even without him losing his original role and potentially not being able to put his full and original personality on display, Nook and Slider at least would still be greater priorities, and thankfully would also be equally entertaining in their own ways.
 
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Sorry to go back to it, but Resetti's situation is just very unfortunate in that he has some of the most unique potential among possible Animal Crossing fighters. Seeing him angrily stomp around with his wildly swinging pickaxe and startle opponents as he bursts out of the ground would be a sight to see in Smash. But yeah, even without him losing his original role and potentially not being able to put his full and original personality on display, Nook and Slider at least would still be greater priorities, and thankfully would also be equally entertaining in their own ways.
Dark horse pick, Harriet playable character. She attacks with clippers and spinning chairs. She has a command grab that momentarily turns your characters face into one of your mii's.
 
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