Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[perfectchaos83]

You’re right, I think no one knew about any modes coming, it was just a file at that time, it wasn’t until our first mode that people realized sakurai would be adding modes.

NOA Testy (Who leaked Piranha plant) Said new modes were coming in September of 2018. Erdrick leaks started in August 2018 when Verge brought up the Square rep. They increased when Leakypandy heavily implied a DQ Character reveal at the VGAs and, prior to publicizing the datamine in January of 2019, reached it's apex when Verge's SE list leaked in November of 2018.

The only thing on this leak that wasn't predated by anything is Banjo, who people leaked because they hated Steve.

 

[PeridotGX]

That's what I meant. After Vergeben shot down all the interesting options, everyone darted to Incineroar. He was an insanely easy guess after that.

 

[NoBS]

you say that, but every time someone brings up the possibility that the leak might be fake you get very defensive, as if you have an issue with people not believing the leak.

I don’t care about the leak might be fake, I say the leak might be fake, I’m defensive if you say it’s disproven, it’s clearly not disproven.


There are people here who are way too harsh on leaks and don’t know how they work. Like people saying they didn’t believe gematsu, gematsu has been proven true now. Yet people still hold on to it being fake, people who easily dismiss stuff are not very smart.

If crash is number 5 it’s big for this leak, if Lloyd comes after the leak is all but true at that point.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I see, so what Ryce is saying is that Crash may or may not be DLC, but that at least the Mii Costume bit might be true, because it's a hard guess. He compares it to Gematsu, which notoriously got a lot of stuff right, but also some stuff wrong which we now know was due to outdated information.

Whatever the case, this is a really interesting turn of events. So it's basically Mii Costume leaker's sources Vs. IamShifty & Brew's sources. There's even a chance that both are right and either Crash or Haya belong in the next wave.

Cool news indeed.

One thing I noticed about both sides is that Geno is mentioned in some way. Both leakers mention Geno related stuff (Brew hearing Geno from his source and papagenos' source mentioning SMRPG mii costumes) so it looks like regardless of which side is true, we could be expecting Geno.

 

[NoBS]

So.... Files of it existing means "Nope, never happening"? Lmao.

Also take your own advice kiddo, this is just like the last time you were part of a big discussion, you're saying people need to be openminded here yet don't feel you should consider the possibility this old fake leak you brought in might be fake

THE LEAK VERY LIKELY MIGHT BE FAKE IM NOT SAYING ITS REAL. So what advice do I need to take? You’re ready to get aggrieved with me from the beginning because you have issues. I never said that the leak is real in any of my posts, I said it could be real, and it could be, so the chill the **** out.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Soooo I take it Ryce is the new Vergeben then?

 

[Schnee117]

Soooo I take it Ryce is the new Vergeben then?

Ryce predates Vergeben...

 

[NoBS]

NOA Testy (Who leaked Piranha plant) Said new modes were coming in September of 2018. Erdrick leaks started in August 2018 when Verge brought up the Square rep. They increased when Leakypandy heavily implied a DQ Character reveal at the VGAs and, prior to publicizing the datamine in January of 2019, reached it's apex when Verge's SE list leaked in November of 2018.

The only thing on this leak that wasn't predated by anything is Banjo, who people leaked because they hated Steve.

Just because the file was found doesn’t mean that we knew modes were coming, if you look at the comments in the gamefaqs thread that was linked nobody knew what it meant, leftover file from cut mode, etc.


Anyways, even if you think they piggybacked off every real speculative leak going on at the time and ended up being true it doesn’t mean it’s false either. It’s possible every thing is this leak ends up being true.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

THE LEAK VERY LIKELY MIGHT BE FAKE IM NOT SAYING ITS REAL. So what advice do I need to take? You’re ready to get aggrieved with me from the beginning because you have issues. I never said that the leak is real in any of my posts, I said it could be real, and it could be, so the chill the **** out.

Kid, I think the fact that you're going for insults instead of sass should tell that you need to chill. Anyway I'm not gonna believe this cause even if we pretend Terry was planned much later yet somehow moved forward for no reason, it'd end up like Blog Theory, which was "THERE CAN'T BE 2 MORE CHARACTERS LEFT THEY'D RUN OUT OF CHARACTERS TO TALK ABOUT ON THE BLOG AS IT'S BEEN 3 EVERY WEEK" only for the blog to end up showing less than 3 until it got to the point the 'theory' was outright wrong

Yeah cause calling someone a kid and a child is how you have a friendly conversation, I recommend you go back and see who insulted who first and stop acting like a *****

I was jokingly refering to you saying dude and guy and ****, my bad

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ryce predates Vergeben...

I just recently got back into Smash and Nintendo since last year. So I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to leakers.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You knew what you were doing *****. **** you

Ok this is clearly not going to end well so let's drop it. Sorry for not considering your feelings

 

[NoBS]

I just recently got back into Smash and Nintendo since last year. So I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to leakers.

Ryce is not a leaker like verg, he’s just connected where he will occasionally hear something.

 

[Deleted member]

The best leaks that show the entire lineup of DLC are the 1s that take the most risks and lists a bunch of niche/obscure characters. If it ends up being fake, everyone can dismiss it very early on; if it ends up being real, it's the greatest leak in all of Smash history.



With that said, I've never been big on the Crash Crazy Train even without my biased views against Activision, but I will admit that if he is in FP5, at least he'd make people finally shut the hell up about "Smash never goes out on a bang" when it comes to newcomers even when there's more characters coming after him.

 

[Schnee117]

That's a bold bruh moment.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

So just to get an idea of what the general consensus here is, are you all on Team Hayabusa or Team Crash? I personally think it's too early to tell with either of them, but I can totally see this playing out in a few different ways ways:

1. Hayabusa is DLC 5 and Crash ends up being the first season 2 character, or vice versa
2. Only Hayabusa or Crash get in and either Shifty/Brew or the Mii Costume guy is wrong
3. Someone else ends up being DLC 5, but Hayabusa and/or Crash are among the first Season 2 characters
4. It's neither of them and both characters were just leak bait

Regardless of how this plays out, the next month is certainly going to be an interesting one for Smash speculation. I'm personally rooting for #3 or #4 to happen. No offense to Hayabusa or Crash fans, but I personally really love curveballs also I really wanna be right about Resident Evil being last, but that's besides the point

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So just to get an idea of what the general consensus here is, are you all on Team Hayabusa or Team Crash? I personally think it's too early to tell with either of them, but I can totally see this playing out in a few different ways ways:

1. Hayabusa is DLC 5 and Crash ends up being the first season 2 character, or vice versa
2. Only Hayabusa or Crash get in and either Shifty/Brew or the Mii Costume guy is wrong
3. Someone else ends up being DLC 5, but Hayabusa and/or Crash are among the first Season 2 characters
4. It's neither of them and both characters were just leak bait

Regardless of how this plays out, the next month is certainly going to be an interesting one for Smash speculation. I'm personally rooting for #3 or #4 to happen. No offense to Hayabusa or Crash fans, but I personally really love curveballs also I really wanna be right about Resident Evil being last, but that's besides the point

Gonna throw in the bone but Team Crash.

Also there's the fifth option of Crash being DLC fighter 5 and Hayabusa being the first Season 2 character.

 

[perfectchaos83]

So just to get an idea of what the general consensus here is, are you all on Team Hayabusa or Team Crash? I personally think it's too early to tell with either of them, but I can totally see this playing out in a few different ways ways:

1. Hayabusa is DLC 5 and Crash ends up being the first season 2 character, or vice versa
2. Only Hayabusa or Crash get in and either Shifty/Brew or the Mii Costume guy is wrong
3. Someone else ends up being DLC 5, but Hayabusa and/or Crash are among the first Season 2 characters
4. It's neither of them and both characters were just leak bait

Regardless of how this plays out, the next month is certainly going to be an interesting one for Smash speculation. I'm personally rooting for #3 or #4 to happen. No offense to Hayabusa or Crash fans, but I personally really love curveballs also I really wanna be right about Resident Evil being last, but that's besides the point

Curve balls are always the best reveals.

 

[Idon]

So just to get an idea of what the general consensus here is, are you all on Team Hayabusa or Team Crash? I personally think it's too early to tell with either of them, but I can totally see this playing out in a few different ways ways:

1. Hayabusa is DLC 5 and Crash ends up being the first season 2 character, or vice versa
2. Only Hayabusa or Crash get in and either Shifty/Brew or the Mii Costume guy is wrong
3. Someone else ends up being DLC 5, but Hayabusa and/or Crash are among the first Season 2 characters
4. It's neither of them and both characters were just leak bait

Regardless of how this plays out, the next month is certainly going to be an interesting one for Smash speculation. I'm personally rooting for #3 or #4 to happen. No offense to Hayabusa or Crash fans, but I personally really love curveballs also I really wanna be right about Resident Evil being last, but that's besides the point

My heart wants it to be Hayabusa, but my brain is saying it's probably gonna be Crash.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

So when do y’all think we might be seeing a Smash bros presentation, I know a 7-11 advertisement for Terry went up if I’m not mistaken, so it’s got to be pretty soon. I’m hopeful it’s going to be November 1st, they had a direct last year at the same date.

 

[Idon]

So when do y’all think we might be seeing a Smash bros presentation, I know a 7-11 advertisement for Terry went up if I’m not mistaken, so it’s got to be pretty soon. I’m hopeful it’s going to be November 1st, they had a direct last year at the same date.

November.

Then for December, they can do the whole VGA reveal or something right before christmas to get people to buy.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So when do y’all think we might be seeing a Smash bros presentation, I know a 7-11 advertisement for Terry went up if I’m not mistaken, so it’s got to be pretty soon. I’m hopeful it’s going to be November 1st, they had a direct last year at the same date.

Terry isn't at 7-11 yet but the billboard will change on the third, suggesting we may see Terry from then

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I thought it was 6-11?

 

[Deleted member]

The best leaks that show the entire lineup of DLC are the 1s that take the most risks and lists a bunch of niche/obscure characters. If it ends up being fake, everyone can dismiss it very early on; if it ends up being real, it's the greatest leak in all of Smash history

Hmm...that seems quite interesting. It'll probably be a bunch of Sakurai picks, since I think he's eager to introduce more fans to niche franchises. That being said, everyone won't believe it at first but in the end it'll be amazing.

So just to get an idea of what the general consensus here is, are you all on Team Hayabusa or Team Crash? I personally think it's too early to tell with either of them, but I can totally see this playing out in a few different ways ways:

1. Hayabusa is DLC 5 and Crash ends up being the first season 2 character, or vice versa
2. Only Hayabusa or Crash get in and either Shifty/Brew or the Mii Costume guy is wrong
3. Someone else ends up being DLC 5, but Hayabusa and/or Crash are among the first Season 2 characters
4. It's neither of them and both characters were just leak bait

Regardless of how this plays out, the next month is certainly going to be an interesting one for Smash speculation. I'm personally rooting for #3 or #4 to happen. No offense to Hayabusa or Crash fans, but I personally really love curveballs also I really wanna be right about Resident Evil being last, but that's besides the point

Eh, my pessimistic mind says 1 or 2, but my heart says 3 and 4. As for who I'm with, I don't side with any of them. As I stand that if multiple characters got leakes, then it hurts both their chances.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

I personally think the best route is to ignore leaks and "leaked characters" and just expect that anybody could be revealed. Seems more fun and less stressful that way.

Everyone expected just Simon, but we ended up getting him, Richter, Dark Samus, Chrom and K. Rool. I wouldn't put too much stock in leak talk as it hinders actual discussion/possibilities.

 

[NoBS]

If Hayabusa makes it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f5PCpVdTI_I

 

[Deleted member]

So just to get an idea of what the general consensus here is, are you all on Team Hayabusa or Team Crash? I personally think it's too early to tell with either of them, but I can totally see this playing out in a few different ways ways:

1. Hayabusa is DLC 5 and Crash ends up being the first season 2 character, or vice versa
2. Only Hayabusa or Crash get in and either Shifty/Brew or the Mii Costume guy is wrong
3. Someone else ends up being DLC 5, but Hayabusa and/or Crash are among the first Season 2 characters
4. It's neither of them and both characters were just leak bait

Regardless of how this plays out, the next month is certainly going to be an interesting one for Smash speculation. I'm personally rooting for #3 or #4 to happen. No offense to Hayabusa or Crash fans, but I personally really love curveballs also I really wanna be right about Resident Evil being last, but that's besides the point

First off, Team Hayabusa since he appeals to me a hell of a lot more than Crash.

2nd, I'm only rooting for scenario 3 because I am getting really invested with a very specific franchise to close off the Fighter Pass, maybe in a bit of an unhealthy way where anybody else might end up feeling disappointing to me because it wasn't what I wanted (and keep in mind, there are 0 characters that I really wanted to see in Smash in the current Fighter Pass).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Team Hayabusa?
Team Crash?

I choose...

To join Smash!

 

[Deleted member]

I personally think the best route is to ignore leaks and "leaked characters" and just expect that anybody could be revealed. Seems more fun and less stressful that way.

Everyone expected just Simon, but we ended up getting him, Richter, Dark Samus, Chrom and K. Rool. I wouldn't put too much stock in leak talk as it hinders actual discussion/possibilities.

Before I joined Smashboards, I believed that the best reveals are always the surprise reveals. Up until recently, after so many leaks that have happened, I joined Smashboards not only to do my female discussion, but also to get in touch with how the people will perceive these things.

Back then, unexpected hype is thrilling. Now, I don't knwo what to say.

Maybe Joker was our last surprise after all.

 

[DarthEnderX]

how likely would you guys say Crash is as a possible inclusion at some point during Ultimate's DLC cycle

I don't care about him. So 0%.

Oh no those ******** will never shut up and blame Fire Emblem for a bird ****ting on their car or dropping their 2 euro banana milkshake at KFC

...no, I just blame them for having, ya know, too many boring characters in Smash.

Which is, frankly a much worse crime than crapping on my car.

Thing could easily be fake, it also easily could be real

In so much as people with no information throwing out guesses can still end up guessing correctly, yes. It COULD be real.

 

[Nemuresu]

I personally think the best route is to ignore leaks and "leaked characters" and just expect that anybody could be revealed. Seems more fun and less stressful that way.

Everyone expected just Simon, but we ended up getting him, Richter, Dark Samus, Chrom and K. Rool. I wouldn't put too much stock in leak talk as it hinders actual discussion/possibilities.

I just think no leaker is actually gonna tell who it is. You got people on Hayabusa's side, others on Crash's and some who haven't said anything or taken any positions. While I lean more towards Ryu being the last character, the surprise will be spoiled no matter the outcome (because let's be honest, Nintendo hasn't thrown any curveballs since Joker, and even then, he didn't prevent Hero, Banjo or Terry from being leaked later on).

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

So just to get an idea of what the general consensus here is, are you all on Team Hayabusa or Team Crash? I personally think it's too early to tell with either of them, but I can totally see this playing out in a few different ways ways:

1. Hayabusa is DLC 5 and Crash ends up being the first season 2 character, or vice versa
2. Only Hayabusa or Crash get in and either Shifty/Brew or the Mii Costume guy is wrong
3. Someone else ends up being DLC 5, but Hayabusa and/or Crash are among the first Season 2 characters
4. It's neither of them and both characters were just leak bait

Regardless of how this plays out, the next month is certainly going to be an interesting one for Smash speculation. I'm personally rooting for #3 or #4 to happen. No offense to Hayabusa or Crash fans, but I personally really love curveballs also I really wanna be right about Resident Evil being last, but that's besides the point

Hard to tell for sure but scenario 1. seems pretty likely to me. IAmShifty and the 'Mysterious Crash leaker' seem to have relatively decent track records. So yeah i can see both of them being right (in a way).

Personally i would prefer getting Hayabusa but i'm totally fine with any other characters (as long as they have an interesting moveset).

Also, a Resident Evil character would be pretty sick.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

I'm still on Team Doom Slayer but I would absolutely adore if the next one is Ryu or Crash or anyone that I like lmao

 

[perfectchaos83]

I just think no leaker is actually gonna tell who it is. You got people on Hayabusa's side, others on Crash's and some who haven't said anything or taken any positions. While I lean more towards Ryu being the last character, the surprise will be spoiled no matter the outcome (because let's be honest, Nintendo hasn't thrown any curveballs since Joker, and even then, he didn't prevent Hero, Banjo or Terry from being leaked later on).

I don't see how Hero or Terry are not curveballs. Both only gained any sort of traction because of leaks

 

[Evil Trapezium]

So just to get an idea of what the general consensus here is, are you all on Team Hayabusa or Team Crash? I personally think it's too early to tell with either of them, but I can totally see this playing out in a few different ways ways:

1. Hayabusa is DLC 5 and Crash ends up being the first season 2 character, or vice versa
2. Only Hayabusa or Crash get in and either Shifty/Brew or the Mii Costume guy is wrong
3. Someone else ends up being DLC 5, but Hayabusa and/or Crash are among the first Season 2 characters
4. It's neither of them and both characters were just leak bait

Regardless of how this plays out, the next month is certainly going to be an interesting one for Smash speculation. I'm personally rooting for #3 or #4 to happen. No offense to Hayabusa or Crash fans, but I personally really love curveballs also I really wanna be right about Resident Evil being last, but that's besides the point

I'll believe both of them and I'll put it like this

Ryu Hayabusa = Fighters pass Fighter #5
Geno = Additional Fighter #1
Crash Bandicoot = Additional Fighter #2

 

[Deleted member]

I just think no leaker is actually gonna tell who it is. You got people on Hayabusa's side, others on Crash's and some who haven't said anything or taken any positions. While I lean more towards Ryu being the last character, the surprise will be spoiled no matter the outcome (because let's be honest, Nintendo hasn't thrown any curveballs since Joker, and even then, he didn't prevent Hero, Banjo or Terry from being leaked later on).

Yeah, because we leaked so much stuff that Nintendo forced their hand. Probably Nintendo has total control over the situation, watches from afar, then if things get heated, proves everyone wrong amd just drops the ball.

 

[Nemuresu]

I don't see how Hero or Terry are not curveballs. Both only gained any sort of traction because of leaks

And that's exactly what Joker didn't have. Since no one leaked him or thought that much about him on the speculation scene, the surprise was big enough to make everyone start to doubt Erdrick coming. But then, Hero happened despite the hopes of all detractors, Shinobi leaked Banjo and NoE screwed-up big time with the 4th fighter's page at the same time leakers ganged up to spoil said fighter's name, and no matter if it's Ryu or Crash, both have been already spoiled.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

And that's exactly what Joker didn't have. Since no one leaked him or thought that much about him on the speculation scene, the surprise was big enough to make everyone start to doubt Erdrick coming. But then, Hero happened despite the hopes of all detractors, Shinobi leaked Banjo and NoE screwed-up big time with the 4th fighter's page at the same time leakers ganged up to spoil said fighter's name, and no matter if it's Ryu or Crash, both have been already spoiled.

I mean, nobody considering characters until they end up leaked isn't making them expected just because we found out earlier than intended. For Terry it was literally a day or two even

 

[NoBS]

I don't care about him. So 0%.

...no, I just blame them for having, ya know, too many boring characters in Smash.

Which is, frankly a much worse crime than crapping on my car.

In so much as people with no information throwing out guesses can still end up guessing correctly, yes. It COULD be real.

You gotta give it credit where it’s due, people did not know hero was next, nor that banjo was third, people did not know if brave was hero for sure, things started to piece together for that possibility as time went on like people from sora posting “braves shield”, people did not know if homerun contest or other modes were coming back or if the home run file was just cut content, etc etc etc. these were all possible things that ended up being true.

It’s alot harder when you’re in the moment to predict things right, for example we don’t know if Hayabusa is next, crash, etc. but yes it’s possible it’s all a guess,

I welcome you to try and get three of the future dlc correct in the order in which they come as well and tell us which mode is coming since there are other datamine files that exist for more content. It’s not as easy as it sounds when looking back in hindsight but it is doable.

 

[3BitSaurus]

One thing I noticed about both sides is that Geno is mentioned in some way. Both leakers mention Geno related stuff (Brew hearing Geno from his source and papagenos' source mentioning SMRPG mii costumes) so it looks like regardless of which side is true, we could be expecting Geno.

It may not necessarily be Geno, though, just a Square character in general, since Chocobo is also there.

Which I'd be really happy about anyway cuz' 3 characters I want are from there but oh well.

Let's wait a few more weeks.

 

[GoodGrief741]

So just to get an idea of what the general consensus here is, are you all on Team Hayabusa or Team Crash? I personally think it's too early to tell with either of them, but I can totally see this playing out in a few different ways ways:

1. Hayabusa is DLC 5 and Crash ends up being the first season 2 character, or vice versa
2. Only Hayabusa or Crash get in and either Shifty/Brew or the Mii Costume guy is wrong
3. Someone else ends up being DLC 5, but Hayabusa and/or Crash are among the first Season 2 characters
4. It's neither of them and both characters were just leak bait

Regardless of how this plays out, the next month is certainly going to be an interesting one for Smash speculation. I'm personally rooting for #3 or #4 to happen. No offense to Hayabusa or Crash fans, but I personally really love curveballs also I really wanna be right about Resident Evil being last, but that's besides the point

I'm not really familiar with what happened with Crash (if anyone could give me a quick rundown it'd be appreciated), but I'm really leaning on Team Hayabusa. Crash seems more like a starter character for the next season if anything.

Best scenario is that both of them (along with Geno who's also being rumored apparently) all get in.