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That'd be awesome and I'd instantly main him over "Link, but small, but faster than the other small Link."
a lot of people underplayed us dragon quest fans FYI there are a bunch of characters who have fans and if they hear that they had the chance to get in they will come out the woodworks to defend their character / support them i still remember the bull that is banjo is brave lol
The first Shantae was a late-life Game Boy Color game that came out after the release of the Game Boy Advance and before 'Indies' were popular. Publishers didn't consider her marketable because she's not a guy and suggested making her one. It was doomed from the start. The second game was well received and more of a commercial success. The third game was one of the top sellers on the Nintendo Eshop. The 4th game had a Kickstarter goal of $400k and almost doubled that. The series keeps growing in popularity and for good reason: the games are consistently solid and have a classic Nintendo feel to them. People want her in Smash because she'd fit right in and because it started on a Nintendo platform and has been on them ever since. Personally, I was introduced to the character in a different indie game (Runbow), but she's had cameos in more than one. After buying and actually playing her games, I completely understood why people wanted her in Smash. Plus, it's hard not to root for an underdog that came back from the brink of failure. She looks cool, too.
No, they aren't.
Namco: Yoshimitsu
Zun himself is a bit of a recluse. Far as I know, it's something he does for fun and he does have a day job (I do know he used to work at Taito in the mid 2000's). About one official Touhou game is released a year (Spin off or Mainline).
They're physical, but he also sells digital on his website and recently began selling on steam. No idea how much he sells or prints and he's very unlikely to release any of that info because he's not in it for a **** measuring contest.
Probably, but it's not like the games have had zero impact. League of Legends references it and Touhou was a massive inspiration for Toby Fox and Undertale.
Elaborate, clean, justified arguments. The true workings of a pragmatic man.
Those works for Nickelodeon and Disney are contracted works and aren't published by them. Neither is River City Girls, as an FYI, as that's published by ASW. Wayforward typically works as a contract developer. Their indie works would be titles like Shantae and Mighty Switch Force, Not their Adventure Time or Regular Show games.
Wayforward works on titles for larger companies/publishers to help fund their own projects (e.g. Shantae), which usually have noticeably smaller budgets and are self funded (and crowd funded). You can't compare them to Capcom (a company with almost 3k employees) who can make massive AAA games like Monster Hunter World, Resident Evil, and Street Fighter without relying on other publishers to finance them.
You're either an indie developer or not. Just because they sometimes make their own games doesn't make them a sometimes indie dev.
And yet, funnily enough, the dev team that makes Shantae games is, like, 5x the size of the team that made Mega Man. Is Mega Man an indie character? He's not, because Capcom is not just the team that created Mega Man 30 years ago. Likewise, WarForward is not just the team that created Shantae in 2002. They haven't been an indie studio for a long time. Which means their characters aren't indie anymore.
I agree with what you're saying(if, not the way you're saying it). The 3 Links deserve a more diversified moveset.
Agreed completely. And this is exactly why I keep bringing up Story of Seasons. It seems exactly like the kind of franchise that people ignore now but were it ever revealed to get a character the discourse would suddenly change to how it totally makes sense in the same way that the conversation changed about Terry almost overnight. Because in a lot of ways I think it does make sense. It just isn’t a franchise most Smashers are particularly pushing for.You mean like Professor Layton?
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Being serious, I completely agree. The Smash fanbase, this thread included, loves to speculate around a core set of like, 5-10 characters at any given time, with those characters changing depending on who gets in and what popular hearsay is going around. We ought to consider much more than the popular first and third party picks of the time, lest we get blindsided by another Simon, Joker, or Terry.
They're an independent developer. Otherwise they wouldn't work on licensed titles for other publishers to help pay for their lower budget games.
And who assembled and funded that small team? A then decade old electronic manufacturer that merged with another corporation. MegaMan isn't an indie character.
He's absolutely entitled to do this, but it is one of those interesting stats where people rank Shantae and Reimu as the two most likely indie reps to be in Smash despite there being little evidence beyond things like "loyal to Nintendo" or "massively popular in Japan". But Nintendo themselves have told us the indie games that have done best on Switch and it's titles like Undertale and Shovel Knight, and more recent games like Hollow Knight, Celeste and Dead Cells.
. . .Now I'm seriously tempted to edit Alfonzo into a picture of Tingle on the Great Bay.
Namco: If it were someone from Bandai Namco, the only two franchises that I am certain would likely be repped for Smash would be between someone from the Tekken or the Tales series.
Not to Japan it ain't.
TBF, Undertale and SK are like, barely getting out of the "single game" territory at this point in time, right? Name me one of the third party characters with such a "compact" legacy, maybe Bayonetta, though she was also supposedly a ballot request? (Geno, if he gets in, may be a special case too?). Minecraft kinda has its thing in not needing a sequel (alongside some spin-offs, though all but one of those are currently upcoming), and Shantae can at the very least say she's had a series of games put out.
A part of it is how relatively new these games are. Some of the games you mentioned are less than five years old and don't have a proper sequel to their initial title, we don't know what their future outlook might be. Touhou is over 20 years old with over 25 official games and it's still growing and still getting new fans to this day. It impacted the doujin scene (which you could say is the Japanese equivalent of western indies) very heavily that it became an important part of the doujin history in Japan. The Touhou series has a legacy, is still popular, and is still getting new titles. At the time of writing this post the Touhou series has had 10 official games released overseas with more on the way, and even before these games were released in the west there already was a sizeable western fanbase who were acquainted with the series.
You really don't get much more "lifetime achievement" than Shovel Knight, as it's kind of one of the landmark titles for indie games. Calling it and Undertale novelties is just plain wrong, but hey, you do you.
If Dante gets in Smash and is broken then that's the balance team's fault, not Dante's lmao
I've said it before and I'll say it again: instead of complaining about the stagnation of discussion, being up topics yourself! Just the other day I recall I was debating about Battlefield and FD stages while others talked about Capcom vs. SNK music potentially being included. Bring up discussion you want to have.
Hello do you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour?
Do you think she's like, the last Sega character they could put in before they'd just resort to another Sonic character?
Who do you want to talk about though? The thread obviously has favourites, same as any Smash speculation forum. Conversation has obviously stagnated which is why the conversation goes off on so many tangents at this point.
So you're telling me that instead of just whining around, I should go start a forum up in this joint. Because that is what I'm gonna do in the future. You're telling me I'm a whiner who just complains about everything. I'm not perfect, but please don't be too aggressive.
I mean, I suppose there are probably some other choices as well, but yeah, I think she's probably the most significant Sega character that isn't a Sonic character that is yet to be playable in the game.
Honestly, as far as another Sega character go, I think it's a coin toss between her and Kiryu. Puyo Puyo and Yakuza seem to be among the last few series Sega wants to push these days aside from what's already in Smash.
I can understand how an outsider might see the reasoning of "popularity in Japan" quite dubious, but Touhou is something special. I recommend watching this 10 min. documentary on Touhou. Just to give some basic insight on what it exactly is.
Thank you for that.
Eggman's kinda the one big Sonic character left without a noticeable roadblock of Assist Trophy or Mii Costume in his way, though he does appear prominently in the image for Spirits mode, mind you. His shtick might be a bit reminiscent of Bowser Jr's, but could he still be a widely-accepted second choice for Sonic even over Tails or Shadow? Both of which may have had more fan demand? He does happen to be the only one that's been with the ol' blue blur since the beginning, maybe giving him that importance over even Tails? Though maybe it'd be a little awkward with fellow evil scientist antagonist Dr. Willy just being an Assist Trophy
But a neat second Sonic character getting in is a neat second Sonic character getting in!
True but these promises ended up becoming four entire games the size of the base game, and I think the last of them are going to release next year. After that they'll be able to make something new for Shovel Knight themselves (on top of the new spin off and board game). I'll bet you the series will have proved its longevity by the time the next Super Smash Bros. game starts up its casting call.
Eggman's Final Smash will be him convincing Knuckles that the opponent(s) are trying to steal the Master Emerald, and then steals the Master Emerald while Knuckles Beats them up and uses it to fire a laser at all of them. (Or he just flies away in his mech and the cinematic ends with Knuckles's face as he realizes that he's been tricked again whilst punching someone.)Eggman's kinda the one big Sonic character left without a noticeable roadblock of Assist Trophy or Mii Costume in his way, though he does appear prominently in the image for Spirits mode, mind you. His shtick might be a bit reminiscent of Bowser Jr's, but could he still be a widely-accepted second choice for Sonic even over Tails or Shadow? Both of which may have had more fan demand? He does happen to be the only one that's been with the ol' blue blur since the beginning, maybe giving him that importance over even Tails? Though maybe it'd be a little awkward with fellow evil scientist antagonist Dr. Willy just being an Assist Trophy
