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Aetheri

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Actually now that Monster Hunter was mentioned and knowing what we know about Hero. It could very well be a similar situation with the Monster Hunter, who could've been initially planned for the base game but just missed the boat and was saved for DLC.

I mean it is curious we got Rathalos and most people just chalk it up to "the monsters are more famous than the hunters anyways"...even though Rathalos is literally the only significant content from Monster Hunter. No stage, no character, no "MREOW!" assist trophy or anything. Just Rathalos. As if they couldn't remove him since he's a major part of single player modes.

Honestly now that I think about it Monster Hunter's chances have skyrocketed for me to be the in Fighter Pack 5.
 
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Hehehe. In that case I even made a truth table for my case. It's in mobile format btw.

Female? Wanted? Reaction
F F :mad: (pretty much everyone)
F T :p (Rex, Heihachi)
T F :) (2B, Arle Nadja, etc.)
T T :love: (Morrigan, Nakoruru, Jill)
 
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This female character debate is never going to end huh, I'd rather go back to people complaining about Terry not being iconic
To be fair, from what I've heard, this female debate wasn't a big deal until I made a big deal out of it.
 
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*chuckles* That was the same thing I've received when I told others about her being in Smash. But she's been with Capcom crossovers since day one so at least that would be a pipe dream that is actually still a dream.
If we're talking female characters from Capcom, Jill would be a way safer bet than Morrigan imo. Iconic, series is active, brings a whole new genre and is a character Capcom loves to push in crossovers.

Honestly, I think there are a lot more possible female characters than most people realize. Problem is... they're either facing heavy competition from their series (Jill, Sophitia), their company (KOS-MOS, Arle, Morrigan) or aren't the protagonists/series is already represented (Chun-Li, Mai).

There are some exceptions, however. If we get another Square character, I'd say both 2B and Lara are huge competitors (with Sora being Disney and in case Spirits still disconfirm, I'd go as far as saying it would be a coin toss between them). There's Reimu, who is an indie. Plus you could go for more curveballs, like one of the Sony girls (Kat, Aloy, etc) or something few people discuss, like Tracer. Though these seem less likely imo.

In fact, I remember you talking about MOBAs? One of these days, I had a fun conversation with someone else here about the possibility of a rep from League or Dota 2.
 

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With that said these are the most likely female characters we could see.

-Dixie Kong
-Elma (More of wishful thinking)
-Edelgard
-Jill Valentine (As an alt to Leon)
-KOS-MOS (Same as Lara I feel she's being slept on)
-Lara Croft (Feel she's being slept on given her legacy)
-Shantae
Must point out as always that Shantae would an indie rep, and all around fantastic character.
 

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Must point out as always that Shantae would an indie rep, and all around fantastic character.
Well I only consider her because of the high fan demand she's got and Sakurai's statement of "Bring in many new worlds" and "Pleasing as many fans".

We're also at that point everyone is in the agreement Spirits don't deconfirm.
 
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Well I only consider her because of the high fan demand she's got and Sakurai's statement of "Bring in many new worlds" and "Pleasing as many fans".

We're also at that point everyone is in the agreement Spirits don't deconfirm.
Heck, I had a dream last night. They announce the final character from the Fighters Pass, then they announce Fighters Pass 2, then announce a free character in the form of Rex and soon everyone is rejoicing coz Spirits don't deconfirm characters anymore. It's a dream I had. Don't take this seriously!
 

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We're also at that point everyone is in the agreement Spirits don't deconfirm.
Citation needed
Actually now that Monster Hunter was mentioned and knowing what we know about Hero. It could very well be a similar situation with the Monster Hunter, who could've been initially planned for the base game but just missed the boat and was saved for DLC.

I mean it is curious we got Rathalos and most people just chalk it up to "the monsters are more famous than the hunters anyways"...even though Rathalos is literally the only significant content from Monster Hunter. No stage, no character, no "MREOW!" assist trophy or anything. Just Rathalos. As if they couldn't remove him since he's a major part of single player modes.

Honestly now that I think about it Monster Hunter's chances have skyrocketed for me to be the in Fighter Pack 5.
I think Sakurai has a unique issue with Monster Hunter. Too MUCH moveset potential, there's like 20 weapon types all with their own unique moves, a bunch of trap items to mess around it and other in game mechanics. Sakurai seems to have a strong preference for 1 coherent moveset rather than "Then they grab this weapon, for that attack they bring out another and a different one for the other attack", especially as MonHun doesn't let you change weapons midbattle iirc. Granted, MvCI made her work but MvC3 was outright denied a MonHun charscter for similar reasons iirc
 
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Man, I really hope Sakurai has a huge soft spot for good bad games like Deadly Premonition just so that I can gush over Francis York Morgan in Smash.
 

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...I just realized that Lesley Black Velvet changed its profile picture...I thought I was talking to someone else. Anyway, here's what I think about the available characters that get at least tossed around a few times.
It seems that most people agree that a Nintendo character would be heavily underwhelming, which is sad to me. Otherwise the characters people want most are:
  • Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles)-A good character, but her game is incredibly niche.
  • Byleth (Fire Emblem)-An interesting character in terms of gameplay, but people would complain about it being from Fire Emblem.
  • Edlegaurd (Fire Emblem)-Much more popular than Byleth but is ever so slighlty less interesting (gameplay wise), and runs into the Fire Emblem burnout issue.
  • Any Assist Trophy (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)-Sadly off the table until proven otherwise.
  • Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade Chronicles)-No Mythra? Anyway most people have moved on from these two (three), but I don't think they're unwanted.
  • Porky (Earthbound)-I'd be down. Don't see it happening though.
Sega's IPs tend to be either irrelevant or just not on the watchlist for most Nintendo fans. I think there's only one real pick here:
  • Arle (Puyo Puyo)-A puzzle game character who's more popular in Japan so a lot of other places just wouldn't care. A moveset based on a match three puzzle would be pretty interesting though.
We've pretty much gotten all of the SquareEnix we can get, but there are still some great candidates if licensing allows:
  • Crono (Chrono Trigger)-An awesome character from an awesome game. The Smash community would probably freak out about an anime sword fighter though. (and of course there will be Goku jokes)
  • Geno (Super Mario)-A cool character from an old game that's trying desperately to stay relevant in current speculation. One day you'll get your wish Geno. One day...
  • Bravely Default's Cast (Bravely Default)-No one requested this, But I'd be down.
  • Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)-This character deserves to be in so hard. I'm kinda pessimistic on it happening though.
Capcom has so many good choices, but we'll get like two max T.T
  • Phoenix Wright (Phoenix Wright)-I'm not a fan of the character, but the gameplay would be fun.
  • Dante (Devil May Cry)-I feel like this character would be hard to do justice without him being incredibly broken with all of his huge hitboxes and combo based gameplay.
  • Jill/Leon/Chris (Resident Evil)-I really couldn't care less to be honest.
  • Anyone that isn't one of these three (Capcom Franchises)-Not happening in this DLC cycle.
  • Lloyd (Tales of)-I think this is a pretty meh pick to be honest. A lot of people will take issue with him being a swordsman of the animated variety.
  • Heihachi (Tekken)-A pretty decent pick, but he may be a hard sell in the gameplay department.
  • KOS-MOS (Xeno...saga?)-I think she's an incredibly niche pick, but I suppose is possible. I don't even know what she looks like so I just picture Nu-13 instead. lol
  • Quote/Shantae/Shovel Knight/whoever (Indie Reps)-Not likely, but would be very welcome.
  • Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)-Don't care. I also don't see him getting in over Crash due to being western oriented.
  • Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden)-A popular pick, but I wonder how much of this is just due to the "leaks".
  • Doom's Protagonist (Doom)-A popular pick likely due to "leaks" but this one has more importance within it's genre.
  • Master Chief (Halo)-I would loose it over this inclusion even though I've never played a Halo game.
  • Steve (Minecraft)-My sister would love it, and so would many kids.
  • Rayman (Rayman)-An underdog to be sure, but I would love it.
  • Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)-More likely than Spyro, and would certainly be interesting to watch.
 
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So here's what I think about the available characters that get at least tossed around a few times.
It seems that most people agree that a Nintendo character would be heavily underwhelming, which is sad to me. Otherwise the characters people want most are:
  • Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles)-A good character, but her game is incredibly niche.
  • Byleth (Fire Emblem)-An interesting character in terms of gameplay, but people would complain about it being from Fire Emblem.
  • Edlegaurd (Fire Emblem)-Much more popular than Byleth but is ever so slighlty less interesting (gameplay wise), and runs into the Fire Emblem burnout issue.
  • Any Assist Trophy (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)-Sadly off the table until proven otherwise.
  • Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade Chronicles)-No Mythra? Anyway most people have moved on from these two (three), but I don't think they're unwanted.
  • Porky (Earthbound)-I'd be down. Don't see it happening though.
Sega's IPs tend to be either irrelevant or just not on the watchlist for most Nintendo fans. I think there's only one real pick here:
  • Arle (Puyo Puyo)-A puzzle game character who's more popular in Japan so a lot of other places just wouldn't care. A moveset based on a match three puzzle would be pretty interesting though.
We've pretty much gotten all of the SquareEnix we can get, but there are still some great candidates if licensing allows:
  • Crono (Chrono Trigger)-An awesome character from an awesome game. The Smash community would probably freak out about an anime sword fighter though. (and of course there will be Goku jokes)
  • Geno (Super Mario)-A cool character from an old game that's trying desperately to stay relevant in current speculation. One day you'll get your wish Geno. One day...
  • Bravely Default's Cast (Bravely Default)-No one requested this, But I'd be down.
  • Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)-This character deserves to be in so hard. I'm kinda pessimistic on it happening though.
Capcom has so many good choices, but we'll get like two max T.T
  • Phoenix Wright (Phoenix Wright)-I'm not a fan of the character, but the gameplay would be fun.
  • Dante (Devil May Cry)-I feel like this character would be hard to do justice without him being incredibly broken with all of his huge hitboxes and combo based gameplay.
  • Jill/Leon/Chris (Resident Evil)-I really couldn't care less to be honest.
  • Anyone that isn't one of these three (Capcom Franchises)-Not happening in this DLC cycle.
  • Lloyd (Tales of)-I think this is a pretty meh pick to be honest. A lot of people will take issue with him being a swordsman of the animated variety.
  • Heihachi (Tekken)-A pretty decent pick, but he may be a hard sell in the gameplay department.
  • KOS-MOS (Xeno...saga?)-I think she's an incredibly niche pick, but I suppose is possible. I don't even know what she looks like so I just picture Nu-13 instead. lol
  • Quote/Shantae/Shovel Knight/whoever (Indie Reps)-Not likely, but would be very welcome.
  • Spyro (Spyro the Dragon)-Don't care. I also don't see him getting in over Crash due to being western oriented.
  • Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden)-A popular pick, but I wonder how much of this is just due to the "leaks".
  • Doom's Protagonist (Doom)-A popular pick likely due to "leaks" but this one has more importance within it's genre.
  • Master Chief (Halo)-I would loose it over this inclusion even though I've never played a Halo game.
  • Steve (Minecraft)-My sister would love it, and so would many kids.
  • Rayman (Rayman)-An underdog to be sure, but I would love it.
  • Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)-More likely than Spyro, and would certainly be interesting to watch.
Believe it or not, I have the same sentiment against Dante. Want another Smash 4 Bayonetta?
 

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Believe it or not, I have the same sentiment against Dante. Want another Smash 4 Bayonetta?
Eh. For me it's mostly an observation. At least he wont have Witch Twist true comboing into Afterburner Kick, Afterburner Kick, and Witch Twist.

EDIT: Misread sentiment as argument...I need to go to bed.
 
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I think Sakurai has a unique issue with Monster Hunter. Too MUCH moveset potential, there's like 20 weapon types all with their own unique moves, a bunch of trap items to mess around it and other in game mechanics. Sakurai seems to have a strong preference for 1 coherent moveset rather than "Then they grab this weapon, for that attack they bring out another and a different one for the other attack", especially as MonHun doesn't let you change weapons midbattle iirc. Granted, MvCI made her work but MvC3 was outright denied a MonHun charscter for similar reasons iirc
I don't think "too much moveset potential" harms the character's chances since we have a similair character with a ridiculous amount of tools and weaponry, Mega Man. If Sakurai has a problem with Monster Hunter as a character then do you mind linking the source for such a statement?
 

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Banjo's Wonderwing mechanic is so ridiculously satisfying. It's a great feeling when you're up to like, 100+ damage and you have a bunch of Wonderwings saved and you just go "screw it" and rip them out to even out the match.

It makes me want a Resident Evil character even more with a similar focus on resource management.
 

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I don't think "too much moveset potential" harms the character's chances since we have a similair character with a ridiculous amount of tools and weaponry, Mega Man. If Sakurai has a problem with Monster Hunter as a character then do you mind linking the source for such a statement?
Oh no Sakurai never said that, it's just my own speculation on it. Not a fan of MonHun but I wouldn't complain if we got the Hunter
 
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Well, I guess that will be it for me today. I'll be going back to this in case another all male speculation happens. If you guys need someone to go start the female argument, come talk to me.
 

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Banjo's Wonderwing mechanic is so ridiculously satisfying. It's a great feeling when you're up to like, 100+ damage and you have a bunch of Wonderwings saved and you just go "screw it" and rip them out to even out the match.

It makes me want a Resident Evil character even more with a similar focus on resource management.
I'd probably save up the ammunition until I feel like I need it, then die before that happens. lol
 
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How is 2B not iconic enough to get in Smash but Joker is? Her game actually outsold his by over a million.
I added the caveat of "unless it's a weird Sakurai pick". Sakurai often picks characters from games he recently played. He talked about picking Robin in Smash 4 because he had just finished playing Fire Emblem Awakening. Though Sakurai didn't explicitly state that he picked Joker because he had just finished playing Persona 5, he DID say that he had played and enjoyed it. You can infer that Sakurai picked Joker the way he picked Robin.

So for the random "Sakurai picks", you'd have to know what Sakurai is playing at the time of development and how much he enjoys the game.
 

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Banjo's Wonderwing mechanic is so ridiculously satisfying. It's a great feeling when you're up to like, 100+ damage and you have a bunch of Wonderwings saved and you just go "screw it" and rip them out to even out the match.

It makes me want a Resident Evil character even more with a similar focus on resource management.
The one positive thing I can say about banjo's addition is that he does indeed open the door to how a Resi character would work and as the balance team has finally learned how to balance limited resources as long as you're not Robin, I can imagine a Resi character being one of the most fun to watch in high level play
 

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I feel you, but I think you should understand that we don't speculate out of sexism. It's just simply that there aren't many female third party characters to choose from. I'll happily take Lara Croft over some characters on my roster. But beyond that, you almost have to actively force a female pick.
But if you really want a female character, I would suggest picking one you really like and run with her. We won't judge your pick. It just seems so disingenuous to request "female fighter". I didn't pick Spyro because Smash lacks quadrupedal fighters; I picked him because I genuinely believe that he belongs with Crash in Smash Bros.
The usage of "forced" bothers me a bit honestly. Because Sakurai doesn't work on just visual variety for the sake of it. Bayonetta wasn't added simply because she's a woman. She had very unique gameplay traits, Bayonetta 2 was Platinum's highest profile game up to that point and Sakurai clearly enjoyed the game a lot. Nintendo and SEGA helping to publish 2 did a lot too. Joker was not just a "Sakurai pick" either - unique gameplay mechanics, critical darling and ATLUS' peak up to that point.

So I strongly doubt someone like Arle, Reimu or 2B would be forcing it. They would be added not just because of Sakurai's taste, but also because they add something else to the Smash table. Gameplay stuff, their own flair and implied variety. Just like WFT and Little Mac.

Overwatch's Tracer would likewise be (partly) added for gameplay mechanics and her being the face of that game. Partly, those two would not be all of the reasons.

In fact, I remember you talking about MOBAs? One of these days, I had a fun conversation with someone else here about the possibility of a rep from League or Dota 2.
Hey, thanks for remembering that convo! Speaking off "What the F***" picks (since we seem to be the only (edit: three) here familiar with MOBAs). I'll reiterate: I've been bullish on a rep from that genre. Of course, we don't know if Sakurai likes that genre at all, but I'm pretty sure he knows of it.

Why am I sure he knows of it? Not just because he looks far and wide, but also because of Nintendo's Chinese partner Tencent. I'm pretty sure Tencent would've considered their only big option internationally (LoL) and maybe even suggested that for negotiation. Negotiation doesn't mean that it's going anywhere, but we'll see if Riot's Fighting game makes its way to the Switch. Dota 2 does have the OG factor and Valve's backing, but they're also reliant on a spin off game getting to the Switch.

I'm leaning towards LoL if only because Tencent's practically hugging Nintendo, but I would not count out Dota 2 because of the OG factor. And yeah, I'm still standing behind Ahri, Ryze and as you said when we discussed, Lux as the three primary LoL picks.

Both Nintendo and Tencent being pretty close to SNK helps lead me to this assumption.
 
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I added the caveat of "unless it's a weird Sakurai pick". Sakurai often picks characters from games he recently played. He talked about picking Robin in Smash 4 because he had just finished playing Fire Emblem Awakening. Though Sakurai didn't explicitly state that he picked Joker because he had just finished playing Persona 5, he DID say that he had played and enjoyed it. You can infer that Sakurai picked Joker the way he picked Robin.

So for the random "Sakurai picks", you'd have to know what Sakurai is playing at the time of development and how much he enjoys the game.
Considering Sakurai wasn't sure if adding an Awakening character would be a good idea as Awakening was almost too late to get characters, I doubt this "Oh it's whatever he liked playing that day"
 

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Speaking of Monster Hunter, if Rathalos truly was going to be the rep from the series then I believe we would've seen more spirits and songs from the Monster Hunter series in Smash. The fact that Rathalos was all what we got leads me to believe that it's possible Nintendo held back on content from the series in case they ever thought of selling a Monster Hunter DLC pack.
 

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Hey, thanks for remembering that convo! Speaking off "What the F***" picks (since we seem to be the only two here familiar with MOBAs). I'll reiterate: I've been bullish on a rep from that genre. Of course, we don't know if Sakurai likes that genre at all, but I'm pretty sure he knows of it.

Why am I sure he knows of it? Not just because he looks far and wide, but also because of Nintendo's Chinese partner Tencent. I'm pretty sure Tencent would've considered their only big option internationally (LoL) and maybe even suggested that for negotiation. Negotiation doesn't mean that it's going anywhere, but we'll see if Riot's Fighting game makes its way to the Switch. Dota 2 does have the OG factor and Valve's backing, but they're also reliant on a spin off game getting to the Switch.

I'm leaning towards LoL if only because Tencent's practically hugging Nintendo, but I would not count out Dota 2 because of the OG factor. And yeah, I'm still standing behind Ahri, Ryze and as you said when we discussed, Lux as the three primary LoL picks.

Both Nintendo and Tencent being pretty close to SNK helps lead me to this assumption.
You're welcome! That exchange was a great break from people... not speculating. XD

Pretty much, yes. I agree that Ahri seems the most likely, but if there is one thing League (and Dota 2, for that matter) has no shortage of, it's characters. It would be one of the most "out there" picks imo... the reaction would be priceless, especially because people barely discuss Overwatch, let alone League or Dota. The biggest question is... when would a MOBA character be announced? Since they tend to do their own thing, a Direct would be more likely instead of a big event.

I just hope we hear from the fighting game team soon... it's been a while since any concrete info dropped.

EDIT: In fact... any support threads I should know of? ;)
 
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Ngl, when I saw Banjo's Wonderwing mechanic, the first thing I thought about was "hey, that seems like something they'd do for a Resident Evil character." I've thought about the idea of an RE character with resource management mechanics for quite some time, and Banjo shows that they can make something like that really fun.
 

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MOBA is subgenre I haven't considered for Smash. I'm not against it, but that'd be a legit surprise and a discussion I'd have to genuinely research to properly comment on. How many people realistically see it happening? Is there a large request for this? Who are likely candidates? This is kind of interesting.
 
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Citation needed

I think Sakurai has a unique issue with Monster Hunter. Too MUCH moveset potential, there's like 20 weapon types all with their own unique moves, a bunch of trap items to mess around it and other in game mechanics. Sakurai seems to have a strong preference for 1 coherent moveset rather than "Then they grab this weapon, for that attack they bring out another and a different one for the other attack", especially as MonHun doesn't let you change weapons midbattle iirc. Granted, MvCI made her work but MvC3 was outright denied a MonHun charscter for similar reasons iirc
'Too much moveset potential' being a negative is a strange phenomenon.
 
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You know what? **** it. After seeing how huge Sans' Mii Costume was, now I want a Freddy Fazbear Mii Costume just so that I can see a semi-official FNAF x Undertale crossover.
 

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MOBA is subgenre I haven't considered for Smash. I'm not against it, but that'd be a legit surprise and a discussion I'd have to genuinely research to properly comment on. How many people realistically see it happening? Is there a large request for this? Who are likely candidates? This is kind of interesting.
It's one of those things that may not be the most likely option, but it's something to keep in mind imo, because of how much the genre has grown. Especially in the event that the 10+ datamined slots mean something and most future DLC are collaborations.

For characters, as SKX31 SKX31 and I were saying the other day, a mage-type champion seems to be the more likely choice for a League character, mainly Ahri, Lux and Ryze. We concluded that the mages tend to have kits that would translate better to Smash (with some exceptions).

I'm not sure about Dota 2, though, because I'm not familiar with that one. Maybe they can answer that part.
 
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BTW, going back to the video game gals for a minute.

I feel Chun-Li may be a bit of a sleeper pick for a number of reasons. IMO she'd be the second likeliest female character to be added after Lara Croft. Of course the fact that Street Fighter not only has content but it has TWO characters already in Smash, so it would indeed set a completely new precedent to get a third. If she were to be added.

But we are talking about the "First Lady of Fighting Games" who is more than qualified enough of an icon on her own to earn a spot in Smash. Maybe not in the original fighter's pass but post-pass she could very well sneak herself in with her hairbuns and thighs. If Street Fighter were to get another fighter in Smash there's no doubt that she would be it.



This has reminded me that Capcom has a ridiculous amount of character that could qualify for a spot in Smash and makes me just want a Nintendo vs. Capcom crossover already.
 
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One franchise I talked about back in the earlier days of speculation but forgot about until today: Dragalia Lost. It's in my "I can see this happening because it prints money and has a surprisingly large fandom, but it'll still make folks mad" list. Consoles aren't going anywhere, but for better or worse, mobile gaming is the future. I'll check it out because it looks interesting enough.
 

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One franchise I talked about back in the earlier days of speculation but forgot about until today: Dragalia Lost. It's in my "I can see this happening because it prints money and has a surprisingly large fandom, but it'll still make folks mad" list. Consoles aren't going anywhere, but for better or worse, mobile gaming is the future. I'll check it out because it looks interesting enough.
I played it for a while when they did the Fire Emblem collab, mainly because I wanted to get Marth. It's definitely fun, but man does it take up a lot of storage space.

I think December is when they're doing their second collab with Mega Man, of all series, if you wanted to get into it by then.
 

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I played it for a while when they did the Fire Emblem collab, mainly because I wanted to get Marth. It's definitely fun, but man does it take up a lot of storage space.

I think December is when they're doing their second collab with Mega Man, of all series, if you wanted to get into it by then.
Wait... a Fire Emblem and soon a MegaMan collab? What does it think it is, Smash Bros? :secretkpop:

Seriously, why are people sleeping on this? Glad to hear it's fun though. Fortunately, storage space isn't a problem on my phone.
 
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