Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Þe 1 → Way]

Honestly, if we got a character that wasn’t from a video game. I’d want it to be a scaled down Godzilla. Not saying I want a character like that, but if we had to get one.

 

[Momotsuki]

Something I was thinking about regarding Reimu just now... I feel like one of the bigger things she has going for her is how laughably easy the negotiations, if you could call them that, would be. To say ZUN would cooperate feels like an understatement. What I'm thinking about with Reimu is that if she got brought up, she almost certainly made it in. Whether she did get brought up, that's yet to be seen. But, I can't see any scenario where she's considered and subsequently dropped.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Surely, since we just got Sephiroth that means the very next fighter will share key traits with Sephiroth, just like how Sephiroth is remarkably similar to Steve.

Well, they both have swords

 

[Arcanir]

Did Ridley really eat Samus' parents alive? I thought it was more along the lines of him camping them out at the ledge. That, I can see getting Samus angry enough to go do something about it. Avenge them, perhaps.

If you go by the manga both were dead by the time he ate them, and he did it out of necessity. What made him despicable was that he threw that fact in her face when she was having a breakdown.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If you go by the manga both were dead by the time he ate them, and he did it out of necessity. What made him despicable was that he threw that fact in her face when she was having a breakdown.

Definitely Nintendo's darkest and evilest villain.

And even more the reason both he and King Ghidorah would get along so well!

 

[Brother AJ]

Besides Ganondorf, Ridley, Dark Samus, and now Sephiroth, are any of the villains on the roster the same kind of complete monster? There's nothing wrong with more nuanced villains, but I think there's still a time and place for an irredeemably vile piece of ****.

Hey, we're the ones that enjoy them.

There's not much of a point debating it now, but between Sephiroth and Eggman, I'd definitely say Eggman would've been the more fitting and iconic addition. Eggman isn't even my first choice for a second Sonic rep, but he truly is one of, if not the most recognizable villain out of all the third-party franchise involved with Smash.

Either way, saying stuff like, "Eggman isn't serious enough," is a pretty lousy way to discredit him, no offense. Bowser isn't a very serious villain either, but you'd have a hard time finding a villain with a name as big as his.

I'm not positive, but it seems like you're talking to me... If you read what I've been saying you'd know that I probably would've preferred Eggman. He's an extremely worthy addition. It's just my opinion that a villian like Sephiroth is ultimately more impactful because of how threatening he is. That's what makes him a worthy first addition for 3rd party villians to me.

 

[Cosmic77]

The motive is what makes the villain dark. Or in Ridley's case, his complete lack of a motive.

He may not cause the most pain and suffering to the largest number of people, but the fact that his cruel and twisted torture of innocent beings isn't fueled by an evil plan or an ulterior motive, but rather his own enjoyment is what makes him so irredeemable.

 

[Momotsuki]

I think what excites me most about the potential of Reimu in Smash is that I really have no idea how exactly she'll look; they have a lot of different styles that they could choose to Smashify. GGalactigal's render seems like the best guess IMO, but even still.

 

[SharkLord]

I think what excites me most about the potential of Reimu in Smash is that I really have no idea how exactly she'll look; they have a lot of different styles that they could choose to Smashify. GGalactigal's render seems like the best guess IMO, but even still.

There's also the fact that she doesn't have many (If any) notable appearances where she has an actual model, nor does she have an official voice actor. With that in mind, it's going to be interesting to see how she might end up.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So how would you guys feel if this artist's predictions come true and we got Crash, Dante, BOTW Zelda, and 2B in Smash? The guy predicted Sephiroth some that gives him a tiny brownie point. But we shouldn't put any stock on leaks that Blocked Content thinks is credible since the dude covers nothing but fake leaks on his channel. But I thought this one was interesting though.

 

[Shroob]

So how would you guys feel if this artist's predictions come true and we got Crash, Dante, BOTW Zelda, and 2B in Smash? The guy predicted Sephiroth some that gives him a tiny brownie point. But we shouldn't put any stock on leaks that Blocked Content thinks is credible since the dude covers nothing but fake leaks on his channel. But I thought this one was interesting though.

Blocked Content

 

[Momotsuki]

There's also the fact that she doesn't have many (If any) notable appearances where she has an actual model, nor does she have an official voice actor. With that in mind, it's going to be interesting to see how she might end up.

I'd suggest her simply not talking or making vocal sounds, but - it's not like she isn't talkative. That's pretty interesting to bring up, thanks for mentioning it.

So how would you guys feel if this artist's predictions come true and we got Crash, Dante, BOTW Zelda, and 2B in Smash? The guy predicted Sephiroth some that gives him a tiny brownie point. But we shouldn't put any stock on leaks that Blocked Content thinks is credible since the dude covers nothing but fake leaks on his channel. But I thought this one was interesting though.

Please consider going elsewhere.

 

[SharkLord]

So how would you guys feel if this artist's predictions come true and we got Crash, Dante, BOTW Zelda, and 2B in Smash? The guy predicted Sephiroth some that gives him a tiny brownie point. But we shouldn't put any stock on leaks that Blocked Content thinks is credible since the dude covers nothing but fake leaks on his channel. But I thought this one was interesting though.

bruh

We just stated that StormYorha is a fanartist and %$#@poster who stumbled upon a lucky coincidence.

Don't make me rummage through their tweets and dredge up that picture of Gru as 2B.

 

[TheCJBrine]

So how would you guys feel if this artist's predictions come true and we got Crash, Dante, BOTW Zelda, and 2B in Smash? The guy predicted Sephiroth some that gives him a tiny brownie point. But we shouldn't put any stock on leaks that Blocked Content thinks is credible since the dude covers nothing but fake leaks on his channel. But I thought this one was interesting though.

They're just predictions from a fan artist, not a leak.

If they actually happened, would be a bit disappointing imo but I'd still like Crash (and Zelda too even though I'd rather another LoZ character personally).

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'd suggest her simply not talking or making vocal sounds, but - it's not like she isn't talkative. That's pretty interesting to bring up, thanks for mentioning it.

Hopefully they wouldn't make her mute because she isn't voice acted in her games.

Still bothers me that they did that to Mega Man.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

They're just predictions from a fan artist, not a leak.

If they actually happened, would be a bit disappointing imo but I'd still like Crash (and Zelda too even though I'd rather another LoZ character personally).

Agreed. Honestly though, BOTW Zelda would be the most disappointing character out of the bunch in that fanart since we already have 2 Zeldas.

 

[Shroob]

NGL tho

I'd die laughing


"Your new Zelda rep... is STILL A MEMBER OF THE TRIFORCE TRIO! YOU ARE NEVER GETTING SIDE CHARACTERS!"

Doubly so after Sakurai thought that BotW Zelda didn't look like a fighter.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The motive is what makes the villain dark. Or in Ridley's case, his complete lack of a motive.

He may not cause the most pain and suffering to the largest number of people, but the fact that his cruel and twisted torture of innocent beings isn't fueled by an evil plan or an ulterior motive, but rather his own enjoyment is what makes him so irredeemable.

Someone, in this case, should form a group club between him, King Ghidorah, Joker, and Carnage.

Oh man, the chaos that would stir.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Zelda from the The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild trilogy is a pretty hard sell considering the main critique of the series's roster is that it's Ganondorf once, Zelda twice, and Link three times. I bet they'd come up with something interesting, but even so I think most people would be disappointed.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Always reminded of this comic whenever Ridley is compared to other villains in Smash.

 

[SharkLord]

Always reminded of this comic whenever Ridley is compared to other villains in Smash.

And that's a lie, because he killed her Chozo parents too. That's twice.

 

[Shroob]

BlockedContent is the Chills of Smash leaks.

If you don't know who Chills is

Spoiler: Well now you do

 

[Momotsuki]

These YouTubers are such puppets. I could make them say whatever I want, it's only a 4chan post away.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

BlockedContent is the Chills of Smash leaks.

If you don't know who Chills is

Spoiler: Well now you do

"Sephirai!"

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

"Your new Zelda rep... is STILL A MEMBER OF THE TRIFORCE TRIO! YOU ARE NEVER GETTING SIDE CHARACTERS!"

I'd legit be okay with another Triforce character if it's a Ganondorf moveset that actually takes stuff from Zelda games.

 

[Shroob]

These YouTubers are such puppets. I could make them say whatever I want, it's only a 4chan post away.

You'd be surprised how many of the regulars did just that back in the pre-release days.


Hell, a user who used to be a regular here actually had a leak that was talked about so much it made it into the Did You Know Gaming vid on Smash leaks lol.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I'd legit be okay with another Triforce character if it's a Ganondorf moveset that actually takes stuff from Zelda games.

And that's why I want Pig Ganon with the trident.

 

[Momotsuki]

You'd be surprised how many of the regulars did just that back in the pre-release days.


Hell, a user who used to be a regular here actually had a leak that was talked about so much it made it into the Did You Know Gaming vid on Smash leaks lol.

I was a regular in the pre-release days. I just vanished after November 2018 and have since had bursts of activity (such as this one) from time to time. No promises, but this particular instance of that feels a bit more long-term.

 

[Perkilator]

Given what they did to Byleth's moveset, I think I would've preferred Edelgard instead.

Hey, I was thinking the same thing! Here's a moveset I did for Edelgard:

Spoiler

Intro: Edelgard appears through a purple Warp circle

Stance/Idle 1: Her battle poses from Three Houses (Parts I & II)
Idle 2: Edelgard briefly flips her hair (Student only)
Idle 3: Edelgard briefly raises her axe (Emperor only)

Notable Palette Swaps:

• Student (default)
• Emperor (alt.)
• Early concept art of Dimitri (Student blue)
• Claude von Riegan (Emperor yellow)
• F!Byleth (Student black)
• Archbishop Rhea (Emperor white)
• Young Edelgard (Student purple)
• Flame Emperor (Emperor black)

Walk: Edelgard walks slowly with Amyr ready
Dash: Her run animation from Three Houses
Damage: Her damage animation from Three Houses
Jump: Edelgard jumps rather low trying to lift Amyr
Crouch: Edelgard takes a knee and stands up Amyr up


Weapon of Choice: Amyr, an axe personally created for her

Normal Attacks
Jab: Edelgard swings Amyr forward once (7%, OK knockback)
Forward+A: Edelgard swings Amyr diagonally downward (9%, OK knockback)
Down+A: Edelgard swings Amyr straight down (15% with a meteor effect, OK knockback)
Up+A: Edelgard swings Amyr straight up (11%, OK knockback)

Aerial Attacks
Air+A: Edelgard does a 360 swing (9%, OK knockback)
Air Forward+A: Edelgard swings Amyr straight down in front of herself (12% with a meteor effect, OK knockback)
Air Back + A: Edelgard swings Amyr behind herself using only her right hand (9%, OK knockback)
Air Up+A: Edelgard stabs opponents above with Amyr (7%, OK knockback)
Air Down+A: Edelgard swings Amyr downward below herself (16% with a meteor effect, OK medium knockback)

Dash Attack: Her running attack animation from Three Houses (8%, OK knockback)
Edge Attack: Edelgard slowly climbs back up after slamming Amyr down (9%, OK knockback)
Get-Up Attack: Edelgard swings Amyr along the ground (7%, OK knockback)

Smash Attacks
Forward+A: Edelgard swings down Amyr with both hands (26%, medium knockback)
Up+A: Edelgard swings Amyr in a backwards upward arc (18%, medium knockback)
Down+A: Edelgard swings Amyr in a 360 (21% each hit, medium knockback)

Grab Game
Grab: Edelgard opens the main blade of Amyr to catch opponents
Pummel: Edelgard knees the opponent (1%)
Forwards+Throw: Edelgard elbows the opponent (7%, small knockback)
Down+Throw: Edelgard slams the opponent on the ground (22%, medium knockback)
Back+Throw: Edelgard turns around and shakes the opponent out of Amyr’s grip (14%, OK knockback)
Up+Throw: Edelgard throws the opponent upwards (15%, OK knockback)


Special Moves
B : Hades Ω; Edelgard charges up dark magic by holding down the B button. At full charge or any time before, pressing B has Edelgard summon a pillar of dark magic around herself (20%, medium knockback)
B + Forwards : Raging Storm; Edelgard swings Amyr and moves somewhat forward (10%, OK knockback). Each successful hit allows her to use this move more than once, but only when a hit connects.
B + Up : Flickering Flower; Edelgard jumps up high and slams Amyr on the ground (23%, medium knockback), creating a shockwave that briefly stuns any nearby fighters (12%, OK knockback)
B + Down : Helm Splitter; Edelgard charges Amyr and slams down on the ground, which instantly breaks shields (29%-33%, far knockback)

Final Smash: Black Eagle Strike Force; "Forward, now!" Edelgard blows up an explosive barrel in front of herself (12%); opponents caught in the blast are taken in a cutscene where Edelgard calls the Imperial Guard and the Black Eagles to attack the enemy all at once (54%, devastating knockback)

Gimmick: Crests, pieces of Edelgard’s bloodline which occasionally help her out in battle

• Crest of Flames: Occasionally heals 30% HP equal to damage dealt (for example, using Edelgard’s down special at full power heals 9.9% damage)
• Crest of Seiros: Occasionally boosts the power of Edelgard’s specials by 1.4x
  • Using specials is the only way to activate the Crest of Seiros

Only one Crest activates at a time (meaning the Crest of Flames can’t activate at the same time as the Crest of Seiros)

Taunts
1: “I will prevail!” Edelgard twirls Amyr
2a: “Don’t waste my time.” Edelgard flips her hair, as if annoyed by the enemy (Student only)
2b: “I must act now.” Edelgard stands Amyr upright (Emperor only)
1+2: “Know your limits!” Edelgard reaches her hand out briefly


Winposes (Student)
1: “Well, how was that?” Edelgard’s pre-timeskip victory animation
2: Edelgard puts her right hand up to her face and chuckles

Winposes (Emperor)
1: “I must get stronger.” Edelgard’s post-timeskip victory animation
2: “Your defeat was inevitable.” Edelgard lowers Amyr and sticks out her left hand

3: “Come, reach for my hand.” Edelgard opens up her left hand to the camera

Applause: Edelgard formally (but slightly begrudgingly) applauds

Icon: The Fire Emblem series logo

Boxing Ring Title:

• Adrestian Heir (Student)
• Future Beyond the Flame (Emperor)

Star K.O.: “Unacceptable…!”
Victory Music: https://youtu.be/Df_i71WW5R8
Kirby Hat: Edelgard’s post-timeskip hair

 

[7NATOR]

Something I was thinking about regarding Reimu just now... I feel like one of the bigger things she has going for her is how laughably easy the negotiations, if you could call them that, would be. To say ZUN would cooperate feels like an understatement. What I'm thinking about with Reimu is that if she got brought up, she almost certainly made it in. Whether she did get brought up, that's yet to be seen. But, I can't see any scenario where she's considered and subsequently dropped.

Hmmm

Reimu has some good Chances I think, And she is apart of my Theory crafting, but

There could be a few good Reasons why she could be rejected

-Reimu would Require Completely New Modeling for every asset related to her Challenger Pack, as she has no 3D Model to use as a base. It gets even worse because There have been many Different Designs of Reimu, so that complicates things. There's also the stage and all the Potential locals and even Background characters to Consider

-There's also the Fact that with her Games being so Projectile and Aerial Focused, that requires alot of Balancing issues. However they were able to balance Min-Min's Arms, Steve's Crafting, and Sephiroth's Masumune. But I think Reimu just at the core of her Character is a Different beast. Jigglypuff with a Projectile based Moveset sounds like hell to fight against

-Obviously there is a little of the North American Obscurity she's got going on, and she's not the Most Recognizable among Nintendo Audience. Keep in Mind that I believe North America is the biggest Demographic for Smash, in terms of Sales.

-Alot of, if not all of the Main Actual bullet hell Touhou games are stuck On PC I Believe. good thing she has Fangames though


Now the Good thing is that I don't think these Issues will keep her down, and She has advantages like coming from the Genre that Inspired Sakurai, LOADS of Asian Popularity (Japan, China, and South Korea), and Surprisingly alot of European Popularity from what I hear, and Lots of Good Music

I think perhaps the Main Advanatge is has you mentioned, Zun. ZUN Allows fans to do whatever they want with Touhou as a License. Not only will Reimu be the easiest character to add from a Licensing Standpoint, but also the easiest for cooperating in how to Implement her in Smash I feel

With that said, She has to compete against alot of Video games characters and their merits and the issues she has presented. A Combination of all of that could Mean Reimu isn't DLC Character, but Like I said, I think she has good shot

 

[Momotsuki]

I think if Ganondorf's cloned moveset coupled with his attributes - the playstyle that created - hadn't resonated with so many people, he'd have been overhauled by now. I've said it before but I think the solution is to just take him as he is now, and copy his attributes and kit verbatim for Black Shadow, just with his pre-Ultimate Smash attacks. Then you can actually start changing Ganondorf in meaningful ways.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I think if Ganondorf's cloned moveset coupled with his attributes - the playstyle that created - hadn't resonated with so many people, he'd have been overhauled by now. I've said it before but I think the solution is to just take him as he is now, and copy his attributes and kit verbatim for Black Shadow, just with his pre-Ultimate Smash attacks. Then you can actually start changing Ganondorf in meaningful ways.

Exactly. In Smash 6, they should give Black Shadow Ganondorf's old moveset while Ganondorf keeps his sword Smashes and newly overhaul moveset change more akin to his abilities in Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess like you said.

 

[PeridotGX]

These YouTubers are such puppets. I could make them say whatever I want, it's only a 4chan post away.

i made a post a month or so before the Steve reveal the jokingly predicted Steve and Decidueye. I genuinely though about seeing if I could get Blocked Content's attention with it.

 

[Momotsuki]

Decidueye

Oh, take me baaaaaaack~

 

[StarBot]

There's not much of a point debating it now, but between Sephiroth and Eggman, I'd definitely say Eggman would've been the more fitting and iconic addition. Eggman isn't even my first choice for a second Sonic rep, but he truly is one of, if not the most recognizable villain out of all the third-party franchise involved with Smash.

Either way, saying stuff like, "Eggman isn't serious enough," is a pretty lousy way to discredit him, no offense. Bowser isn't a very serious villain either, but you'd have a hard time finding a villain with a name as big as his.

Isn't the Sonic franchise isn't as popular in his home country there compared to here

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think if Ganondorf's cloned moveset coupled with his attributes - the playstyle that created - hadn't resonated with so many people, he'd have been overhauled by now. I've said it before but I think the solution is to just take him as he is now, and copy his attributes and kit verbatim for Black Shadow, just with his pre-Ultimate Smash attacks. Then you can actually start changing Ganondorf in meaningful ways.

That doesn't work that well overall. The issue is people like Ganondorf and his moveset combined. This is why people are disappointed with some of the current Mario, because he lost the spin and plays very differently since Brawl. Dr. Mario is a weak replacement for the idea. Same with Link being heavily different in Ultimate, whereas he wasn't all that changed in Melee through 4. This specific philosophy is why Sakurai doesn't do "extreme changes", because it alienates most of the playerbase.

The moveset and character combined are what really makes them stand out for fans. One without the other is completely different. Characters aren't functions to people. Black Shadow would be cool to be an echo more focused on the Smash 4 Ganondorf moveset, but if you change Ganondorf too much, he no longer is Smash Ganondorf. At that point, just introduce another one like Toon Ganondorf with his own stand-out moveset. They're different versions of the character anyway. Plus, the most weapon-focused one is actually Pig Ganon. While Ganondorf has a knife, he doesn't even use it. He uses a few swords in the games, but those are his only canon weapons. Ganon, despite not having much more, is both a Sword and a Trident user. And that's not even getting into Puppet Ganon who had other unique abilities, including more self-weapons like his tail and whatever a spider could do. He has a very different set of potential that Ganondorf never did.

There's at least two unique Ganon/dorf variations to draw from, if not more.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think if Ganondorf's cloned moveset coupled with his attributes - the playstyle that created - hadn't resonated with so many people, he'd have been overhauled by now. I've said it before but I think the solution is to just take him as he is now, and copy his attributes and kit verbatim for Black Shadow, just with his pre-Ultimate Smash attacks. Then you can actually start changing Ganondorf in meaningful ways.

I think that would still take away from the novelty though.

What makes the current moveset shine is the whole "King of Disrespect" vibe it gives off, which woudn't really work with Black Shadow.

So it should be Hades instead.

Because the only thing better than a King of Disrespect is a God of Disrespect

 

[Momotsuki]

I think that would still take away from the novelty though.

What makes the current moveset shine is the whole "King of Disrespect" vibe it gives off, which woudn't really work with Black Shadow.

So it should be Hades instead.

Because the only thing better than a King of Disrespect is a God of Disrespect

I [REDACTED]ing love Hades, was always my most wanted KI rep if we were to get another one. I take it back, Black Shadow can go elsewhere, this is what we need. His taunts, HIS TAUNTS.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

i made a post a month or so before the Steve reveal the jokingly predicted Steve and Decidueye. I genuinely though about seeing if I could get Blocked Content's attention with it.

DEW IT!

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Always reminded of this comic whenever Ridley is compared to other villains in Smash.

Little does Samus know the team already sent the invite expecting her to say yes.