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Hero being niche or Japan-only is a huuuuuuuuuge stretch. He's far more popular worldwide than Mega Man, who was the "big get" of Smash 4.
Absolutely not. There isn’t even one consistent “Hero” character in the Dragon Quest franchise and the Luminary’s only major appearance in a well selling Dragon Quest game is 11, for obvious reason, which sold best in Japan. Saying that the Luminary is bigger than Mega Man the character just because of the size of Dragon Quest is like saying that John Price is bigger than Kirby just because of how huge Call of Duty is.
 

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People just like to avoid the bullet about character that is already in Smash and deflect the criticism about them back and try to defend it. DQ is really popular in Japan but worldwide is not so much and everyone trying to deflect that by bringing up all the official english translation and say otherwise not actually really cared about "Do everyone know this?" but instead it turns into "This game exist in this country".


And time and time again you could clearly see that Smash is just a one big advertisement and act as a gate to worldwide popularity, saying Sakura is such an odd pick when she's a fighter in the game isn't saying much as her being in Smash could

A) Introduce people to Sakura Wars
B) Gets interested about the series and want to know more
C) Motivate the dev of the game that, yes people out there curious and interested in their game
D) Encourage them to make more Sakura Wars game available worldwide.
 
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People just like to avoid the bullet about character that is already in Smash and deflect the criticism about them back and try to defend it. DQ is really popular in Japan but worldwide is not so much and everyone trying to deflect that by bringing up all the official english translation and say otherwise not actually really cared about "Do everyone know this?" but instead it turns into "This game exist in this country"
France's demand alone got the DQ8 3ds remake localized worldwide so I wouldn't say that's a fitting example. France is also the biggest Nintendo region of Europe last I checked. People also like saying "I didn't know of it so must not exist" all the time
 

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I mean before Hero got announced speculation always about Erdrick and Erdrick only as if they don't know the existence of an english DQ game on 3DS and just think NES, and yes I know he's more iconic but it's literally the same situation with Lloyd as just because Symphonia released in Gamecube their mind just goes "Yup he's the most popular in the series" and disregarding Yuri as just some generic supporting character devoid with personality than 'friendship is magic'
 

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I mean before Hero got announced speculation always about Erdrick and Erdrick only as if they don't know the existence of an english DQ game on 3DS and just think NES, and yes I know he's more iconic but it's literally the same situation with Lloyd as just because Symphonia released in Gamecube their mind just goes "Yup he's the most popular in the series" and disregarding Yuri as just some generic supporting character devoid with personality than 'friendship is magic'
Oh, that's a different argument entirely, Erdrick was seen as the most likely due to DQ3's impact, I remember alt speculation primarily focusing on Erdrick having Femdrick instead of other heroes though, Lloyd VS Yuri however is Nintendo fans VS Tales fans instead of most people thinking Erdrick was the obvious solution, with some DQ fans saying it's absolutely Erdrick but hoping for Eight, though they were a minority
 

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sigh... C'mon Nintendo. The year sucks already. You don't need to pile it on any further.

I'd imagine that it's a mix of Nintendo being overprotective and the usage of the term "Joy-Cons," which Nintendo legally owns. I can see why they did it from a legal standpoint, but man.

%$#@ move, Nintendo. %$#@ move.
There's also the fact that, regardless of intentions or money destination, it's still a use of their IP in relation to the death of a real person. That's one of the last things a corporation wants to be involved with.

Like, I imagine that because they have no relation with the people who were running the charity, they have no guarantee at all that things will turn out okay. And if they didn't... the result could be far worse from their perspective than the backlash they're getting from taking it down.

That's the way I see it: it's one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" things - and they went with the option that would protect their brand more.
 

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There's also the fact that, regardless of intentions or money destination, it's still a use of their IP in relation to the death of a real person. That's one of the last things a corporation wants to be involved with.

Like, I imagine that because they have no relation with the people who were running the charity, they have no guarantee at all that things will turn out okay. And if they didn't... the result could be far worse from their perspective than the backlash they're getting from taking it down.

That's the way I see it: it's one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" things - and they went with the option that would protect their brand more.
Also selling things related to a dead person is effed up even if it's for their fans or even to support the family, I mean imagine selling pictures of your idol after their death as an 'honor' and 'memoriam'. I mean good thing Nintendo pull that stuff out quickly because I can imagine that guy get into trouble with the family if he decided to keep the money that he gets for selling that and profiting off of Etika and his fanbase, people will absolutely be furious.


Also, from the picture that the guy took it's obvious that he is mass producing it and I can't stand people comparing that custom shell to others around when at least they didn't related to a deceased person. I want to take this personally on twitter but I'm afraid I will get a barrage of hate like calling me a bootlicker or disrespectful to the dead, especially the Smashtuber Aaronitmar, god he's getting annoying for these past few weeks!
 
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Also selling things related to a dead person is effed up even if it's for their fans or even to support the family, I mean imagine selling pictures of your idol after their death as an 'honor' and 'memoriam'. I mean good thing Nintendo pull that stuff out quickly because I can imagine that guy get into trouble with the family if he decided to keep the money that he gets for selling that and profiting off of Etika and his fanbase, people will absolutely be furious.
To be perfectly clear here: it does seem, at least from a glance, that the people running the charity had their hearts in the right place. And I have nothing against the concept of posthumous charity in itself, so long as it's used to benefit people in need and it's done with the consent of the deceased's family.

But from a company's perspective, I have to acknowledge that someone I don't know (and therefore have no control over) reskinning and reselling one of my products, all in the name of a beloved content creator who passed away is like...

If anything, at any point, goes wrong with said charity, that's a PR nightmare waiting to happen, from Nintendo's pov. One far worse than the backlash they'd get for C&Ding the campaign. It's why we don't see Nintendo taking down every single custom Joycon/Amiibo reskin under the sun, but this one caught their eye, I'd guess.

Then there's the fact that they probably wouldn't want to get involved with the charity in the first place. Overall it's just a really sad situation and I'm not even sure if there is anything the people behind the campaign could do to mitigate this - maybe using an original product would be a start, but it's hard to say.

Now, to go back on topic... TGA is this week. I'm cautiously excited, tbh. Not just for Smash, but for other stuff I like as well. So my question is: do you think we could get any Nintendo news there? Outside Smash, I mean.
 

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Part of the root problem here is that after a few dubious decisions in the past few years, is that even things like the custom JoyCon business which Nintendo is legally and logically right? A lot of the public is not really inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt or look at in rational manner because the perception is that the company has not engendered nearly enough goodwill to deserve it.

The response from a lot of people to stuff like this will be a sentiment roughly akin to "Well I certainly won't feel bad about emulating or pirating Nintendo products in the future". Whether that's right or not is irrelevant, there's more than enough resentment there to get people to feel that way.
 
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Game Awards don't start until Thursday. That's too long. I know the awards show is more about...well....awards....but its a good place for new trailers and reveals; I don't want to wait until the week is basically over before seeing some new trailers! Why couldn't this have been a Tuesday thing?!

(EDIT: To clarify, when I say 'reveals', I'm not talking Smash; I just mean reveals of as-of-yet unknown upcoming games)
 
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More fuel on the fire.

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yeah this I dont believe as much. They would be asking other people to stop sell switch custom skins as well if this the case. The tweet listed no reason why they would do that and no proof

Edit: Oh so Nintendo legaly HAD to respond to this, gotnit, makes sense. Sadly, people are to angry to think about why Nintendo actually did it
 
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I'm fairly certain and confident we'll see God of War: Ragnarok, that there will make up for no Smash reveal which I think isn't happening, and were likely waiting until January or February latest.
 
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Now, to go back on topic... TGA is this week. I'm cautiously excited, tbh. Not just for Smash, but for other stuff I like as well. So my question is: do you think we could get any Nintendo news there? Outside Smash, I mean.
I could see No more heroes 3 and/or Smt 5 because those games are supposed to released in early 2021 and we don't have that much info on them. But I don't expect any news on Nintendo first party games.
 

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I can't see TGA this year as I've got a job now so I can't sleep in the next day to compensate.

I'll check smashbros.com for the new character in the morn like it was the Brawl days.
 
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TGAs start at 7PM EST (my timezone) this year on the 10th, sadly i'll be just finishing up work and wont be able to watch the first hour. hopefully I'll be able to see some huge reveals once i get off work at 8, whether it be Smash or new game trailers
 

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For what it's worth, the new tags are still on the main Smash Website for Steve/Alex and Minecraft World
 
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Joker was a special case; I dont think we're going to be getting a Smash reveal and if people are honestly holding high hopes for it, they're going to be disappointed. There's a low chance AT BEST something is revealed for Smash; just be sure to temper your expectations. It's better to go into watching TGA with hopes of seeing gameplay for upcoming games or trailers for newly announced ones; not for any Smash news.
 

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Joker was a special case; I dont think we're going to be getting a Smash reveal and if people are honestly holding high hopes for it, they're going to be disappointed. There's a low chance AT BEST something is revealed for Smash; just be sure to temper your expectations. It's better to go into watching TGA with hopes of seeing gameplay for upcoming games or trailers for newly announced ones; not for any Smash news.
Disagree. The Byleth trailer outright told the viewer that it'd be an FE Three Houses character right from the start, no other trailer did this except for Joker's. In addition Imran Khan said it was intended for TGA.
 

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I'm keeping my expectations low for any Nintendo related announcements period, let alone ones for Smash. If something big happens I'll check it out, but TGA ceremony very often drags, especially in its focus on various AAA game series I'm personally not that much interested in. That's on top of the whole thing reeking of industry people trying to make the event be as important as the Oscar's or the Emmy's to the point where it just feels like a glitzy noise bloated to excess.
 

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Off-topic, but how come people dislike Last of Us 2 so much?
Abby bad
Nuance bad
Realistic and gritty stuff bad, anime good
LGBT bad
Joel good despite him also being a murder
Muscle in girls bad
The story is bad because it didn't go the way I wanted

There I summed it up for you

Neil Druckmann being unprofessional about dealing with hate
He's been memeing and handling it like a pro, I'm not sure how else he suppose to do
 

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Off-topic, but how come people dislike Last of Us 2 so much?
I personaly think the story is just out of order mess that is a poorly executed story on "why revenge is bad". I can say more about why I think its out of order but Ill save that for another day
 
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Disagree. The Byleth trailer outright told the viewer that it'd be an FE Three Houses character right from the start, no other trailer did this except for Joker's. In addition Imran Khan said it was intended for TGA.
Disagree on what exactly? Up until Joker, every Smash character was revealed via Nintendo Directs. Joker was a special case in that he was revealed outside a Nintendo specific event. And 'intended' or not, it didn't come to pass, so Joker is still a special case in that regard; there's no argument possible there. Plus, Imran Khan isn't a Nintendo leaker by any stretch of the imagination so its entirely plausible that the information he received was just flat wrong. Not disparaging him or anything; info can be wrong sometimes.
 

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Off-topic, but how come people dislike Last of Us 2 so much?
For one they do Joel dirty regarding his death. Character assassination to say the least. He went from this cynical distrusting guy who would never give any strangers his name to this idiot that suddenly saves random strangers and proceeds to into a room full of them while putting aside his weapons and giving out his name.

This is the same guy who survived 20+ years in a post-apocalyptic world and managed to kill an entire militia in a building.

There's also the fact Abby, Joel's killer gets off scot-free all because Ellie suddenly has this flashback of Joel despite going on a murder revenge rampage what was probably weeks if not months.

AND the fact you play as Joel's killer trying hard to make you like the character.

Like I'm not even a TLoU fan but when you know it's bad when even someone who isn't a fan knows how bad a game is in terms of plot and characters.
Disagree on what exactly? Up until Joker, every Smash character was revealed via Nintendo Directs. Joker was a special case in that he was revealed outside a Nintendo specific event. And 'intended' or not, it didn't come to pass, so Joker is still a special case in that regard; there's no argument possible there. Plus, Imran Khan isn't a Nintendo leaker by any stretch of the imagination so its entirely plausible that the information he received was just flat wrong. Not disparaging him or anything; info can be wrong sometimes.
According to one leaker, Byleth was actually supposed to be revealed at the VGA last year but was presumable drop since Nintendo thought there'd be backlash due to being another Fire Emblem character.
 
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Off-topic, but how come people dislike Last of Us 2 so much?
It was a terrible sequel to a good game. Even fans of the original hated it and how it ruined the character development and relationships of the original

among of course other issues

the guilt trips over killing an enemy’s dog don’t help either
 
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Off-topic, but how come people dislike Last of Us 2 so much?
TLOU 1 is such a story based game and its the reason I haven't replayed it in a very long time-I've gotten everything I need to out of the experience. If the only reason I loved the first game so much was story, why should I care for the sequel when I've heard the story is awful and, after spoiling myself, it is?
I also play games for fun, not because I want them to try and disturb me or make me uncomfortable at each and every turn. Even the original game was a lot brighter than this one.
 

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It was a terrible sequel to a good game. Even fans of the original hated it and how it ruined the character development and relationships of the original

among of course other issues

the guilt trips over killing an enemy’s dog don’t help either
And you know its bad when even those who aren't fans are pissed like myself included.

Probably because I can relate. I can only imagine if this was done with the next God of War. Thank god a 100-meter pole is keeping Druckmann away from God of War. I can only imagine what would happen if he were in charge.

Another thing, Joel's death isn't the issue I have, it's the way it was done. If he like self-sacrificed himself like taking a bullet or something for Ellie, it would have been better.
 
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And you know its bad when even those who aren't fans are pissed like myself included.

Probably because I can relate. I can only imagine if this was done with the next God of War. Thank god a 100-meter pole is keeping Druckmann away from God of War. I can only imagine what would happen if he were in charge.

Another thing, Joel's death isn't the issue I have, it's the way it was done. If he like self-sacrificed himself like taking a bullet or something for Ellie, it would have been better.
Druckmann doesn't even have any involvement with GoW, that's two completely different studios, so what the **** are you on about?
 
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