Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Sora at Game Awards let's goooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Idk what made you say this but Yeah!

 

[JOJONumber691]

If it isn't it would have to be Rex unless we're getting a fighter from some unknown game coming out in 2021.

Or Euden lol

 

[RileyXY1]

Or Euden lol

Euden is unlikely because his game is outright banned in some parts of the world.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

If it isn't it would have to be Rex unless we're getting a fighter from some unknown game coming out in 2021.

Rex is a possibility but he’s not the only one when it comes to non-promotional characters.

 

[RileyXY1]

Rex is a possibility but he’s not the only one.

Almost all the others are deconfirmed because of Spirit Events, and I don't think they want to advertise an illegal game.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Almost all the others are deconfirmed because of Spirit Events, and I don't think they want to advertise an illegal game.

I don’t remember Waluigi, Dixie or Bandana Dee being disconfirmed due to a post-release Spirit Event.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don’t remember Waluigi, Dixie or Bandana Dee being disconfirmed due to a post-release Spirit Event.

Most of them are unlikely because of the Fighter Pass model prioritizes games or series that haven't been represented before.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Abby bad
Nuance bad
Realistic and gritty stuff bad, anime good
LGBT bad
Joel good despite him also being a murder
Muscle in girls bad
The story is bad because it didn't go the way I wanted

There I summed it up for you


He's been memeing and handling it like a pro, I'm not sure how else he suppose to do

While I’m sure people have had those complaints (which are stupid), not everyone who has actual criticism of a game is a homophobe, transphobe, or any sort of -phobe.

To simply cast any criticism of the game as those things take away from any real conversation about the game. It’s on my list of games to play, and I loved the first one. However, if the game falls short in some aspects then it is alright to provide criticism.

I am fully in support of LGBTQ+ folks (even my own brother is gay, not that that really matters), but I think it’s unhelpful, and toxic, to just brand everyone who has issues with the game itself with such titles.

 

[Perkilator]

Most of them are unlikely because of the Fighter Pass model prioritizes games or series that haven't been represented before.

Didn't stop despite their series being represented already.

 

[PeridotGX]

there still hasn't been a PMD spirit event...

 

[Jerry98]

I mean it’s not like it’s some enigma. The ending is pretty straightforward.

I’ll spoiler this in case you haven’t played it for context of others:
Basically Ellie is about to kill Abby but gets a flashback of Joel saying “you’ll be just like them, be better” talking about revenge. Unfortunately, as Ellie you just went through 90% of the game on a warpath killing everyone in your way including all of Abby’s family and friends. So...

Spoiler

The game wants to simply tell a story, not teaching morals. You can't say that the meaning of the ending is a trivial "revenge is bad".

The Last of Us 2 story isn't about revenge, it's about forgiveness. Revenge is only a superficial facade that hides what the true motivations behind the characters' actions are. Ellie may say that she wants revenge, but that's not what she needs!
The last, beautiful flashback you mentioned is the focal point of everything! Ellie's journey has been a spiral, a vicious circle that was going to destroy her from the inside. Stepping away from Joel, treating him like ****, failing in forgiving him for saving her at the hospital and finally deciding to try to do it the night before his death only to not be able to do it: that's what was destroyng her from the inside. She didn't need revenge, she needed to make peace with herself. But she couldn't because she kept seeing the picture of a dying Joel in her mind.
(And by the way thank god that Dina was with her all the time or she probably would have killed herself!)
When she finally confronts Abby and she's trying to kill her, she has an epiphany (like... a Joycian epiphany): she manages to see a different picture of Joel in her mind for the first time and she's finally at peace with herself. She lets Abby go because she realized that she never needed revenge in the first place!

Now let's talk about the other issue. It should be noted that you can go through the game without killing anyone inexcept characters in cutscene or quick time events. When you're in "full gameplay", you can pass through every area in pacifist mode. Anyway, killing enemies doesn't really impact the narrative of the game because that's functional to the gameplay and a game must have a gameplay! It's the same old story of the ludonarrative dissonance!

 

[RileyXY1]

Didn't stop despite their series being represented already.

Three Houses itself hasn't been represented before, and all Fire Emblem content Byleth came with came from that game, while ARMS did not have adequate representation in the base game, lacking a fighter, a stage, or even music.

 

[Perkilator]

Three Houses itself hasn't been represented before, and all Fire Emblem content Byleth came with came from that game, while ARMS did not have adequate representation in the base game, lacking a fighter, a stage, or even music.

They still came from series already represented in base game.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Exactly. This is almost worse than when Disney told a man he couldn't put Spider-Man on his son's grave.

Actually they've done that multiple times, people don't seem to be aware of when they did it to a Winnie the Pooh gravestone in 2002

I mean it’s not like it’s some enigma. The ending is pretty straightforward.

I’ll spoiler this in case you haven’t played it for context of others:
Basically Ellie is about to kill Abby but gets a flashback of Joel saying “you’ll be just like them, be better” talking about revenge. Unfortunately, as Ellie you just went through 90% of the game on a warpath killing everyone in your way including all of Abby’s family and friends. So...

Ooh this is certainly an interesting criticism

Spoiler

I've only seen people criticize sandbox games for this, GTA and Watch Dogs being the first examples to pop in my head.

Also random shot in the dark here, Pheonix Wright trailer, be it something leaked or a Smash trailer, I want to see this kind of reaction again

 

[RileyXY1]

They still came from series already represented in base game.

But still, the characters you mentioned don't really have a lot of new content to come with, and Smash DLC has so far been mostly about expanding the crossover.

 

[Jerry98]

there still hasn't been a PMD spirit event...

They're just delaying the loss of our hopes for Grovyle

 

[Starlight Liger]

Holy frick, Nintendo is having a literal PR nightmare right now. If there's ANY content at The Game Awards, it better be crowd pleasing or this year is going to end off on a horrible note for them (in terms of PR and brand, not sales lol).

They've been acting so garbage this year.

It's Nintendo, everybody here is going to be bootlicking them once the new Smash character is revealed.

 

[RileyXY1]

They're just delayng the lost of our hopes for Grovyle

There has hardly ever been Pokemon spin off content in Smash.

 

[Perkilator]

But still, the characters you mentioned don't really have a lot of new content to come with, and Smash DLC has so far been mostly about expanding the crossover.

They can still expand the crossover with more content from modern Kirby games.

 

[RileyXY1]

They can still expand the crossover with more content from modern Kirby games.

Except Sakurai really doesn't like that.

 

[Perkilator]

Except Sakurai really doesn't like that.

Yeah, well HAL and Nintendo could make him whether he likes it or not, since the latter is picking the Challenger Pack characters.

 

[cashregister9]

They can still expand the crossover with more content from modern Kirby games.

With characters and Stages: Absolutely
With spirits and Music: There is not much there for that, there are already a lot of Modern kirby spirits and a good amount of music although they could easily make more additions

 

[JOJONumber691]

I guess it's time to explain why Euden is likely despite a genre ban lol. Euden has:
A New Series with a lot of new content.
Something Nintendo and Cy would most definitely want to see get bigger.
An extremely unique gimmick
A Series that could use the Smash Treatment.
Literally no content in Base Game.
I don't think A regional ban on the Genre, not the IP itself, would matter in comparison to everything else it could bring in. I think a Smash Reveal could expand the Dragalia Lost IP onto Consoles, thus being a great business move, mostly from CyGames lol.

 

[RileyXY1]

With characters and Stages: Absolutely
With spirits and Music: There is not much there for that, there are already a lot of Modern kirby spirits and a good amount of music albeit it's missing a few important ones.

They would basically have to create another new game and who knows if that will even be out before the Fighter Pass deadline.

 

[Perkilator]

With characters and Stages: Absolutely
With spirits and Music: There is not much there for that, there are already a lot of Modern kirby spirits and a good amount of music albeit it's missing a few important ones.

"A few"? There's actually a lot missing from modern Kirby, even from games that already have some form of representation.

 

[RileyXY1]

"A few"? There's actually a lot missing from modern Kirby, even from games that already have some form of representation.

Almost all the major characters are Spirits already, with the notable exception of Adeline.

 

[7NATOR]

While Most of the Content in FP2 has been mostly new, Fire Emblem and ARMS do show there is some leeway with Represented Content in the game already

Three Houses is New Branch of Fire Emblem, and ARMS never had Full character, Stage, or Music. however Fire Emblem already had 7 Other Characters in the game before Byleth got in (and the Character is the main selling point of the Fighter Passes), and ARMS did Re-use spirits for it's Spirit Board.

I think Every Franchise might be a Case by Case basis, and also based on the character themselves

I guess it's time to explain why Euden is likely despite a genre ban lol. Euden has:
A New Series with a lot of new content.
Something Nintendo and Cy would most definitely want to see get bigger.
An extremely unique gimmick
A Series that could use the Smash Treatment.
Literally no content in Base Game.
I don't think A regional ban on the Genre, not the IP itself, would matter in comparison to everything else it could bring in. I think a Smash Reveal could expand the Dragalia Lost IP onto Consoles, thus being a great business move, mostly from CyGames lol.

I do think Euden has merit, but I could see a Mii costume or Something like that instead. Astral Chain and Ring Fit, which are also 1st Party Franchises and are actually on Switch as of right now, Got Spirited. Granted Dragalia Lost is Older, Has potential for Company relation growth with Cygames, and I do think it's weird there hasn't been a Spirit Event.

Plus, I got to ask, don't Fans of Dragalia lost prefer any other character over Euden and such?

 

[Perkilator]

Almost all the major characters are Spirits already, with the notable exception of Adeline.

There's still major characters missing.

• Dark Meta Knight
• Yin Yarn
• Taranza
• President Haltmann
• Star Dream
• Hyness
• Void Termina

Just to name a few.

 

[cashregister9]

"A few"? There's actually a lot missing from modern Kirby, even from games that already have some form of representation.

I changed the original, I didn't realize how much was missing until I looked at the song list, but my point about spirits still stands.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As far as Euden Has Nintendo done much any kind of crossover between their mobile original properties and mainline consoles titles?

It would be a heck of a jump to go from essentially no breaching of that particular barrier to a mobile character appearing as major DLC in the Switch game that's sold 21 million copies.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Didn't stop despite their series being represented already.

At least people can say that Three Houses had no representation unlike with ARMS which already crossed over with Smash. Which shows that playable character representation is more important to Nintendo than anything else since that was the only thing ARMS didn’t have and the only reason why we had an ARMS character as DLC - Nintendo thought the level of representation wasn’t enough. That kind of logic could perfectly explain why characters like Dixie and Bandana Dee are viable - the real focus has always been the characters, not just mere IP representation.

 

[Jerry98]

There has hardly ever been Pokemon spin off content in Smash.

I remember someone in this thread saying that the lack of spin-off representation (except Detective Pikachu spirit) was due to a specific TPC decision. Is that true? I've never found info about it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You gotta also keep in mind that ARMS is a brand new IP, and Three Houses is a new “world” within the Fire Emblem universe. Fire Emblem (and Xenoblade) are like Final Fantasy in which the games don’t happen in the same world with the exception of direct sequels/prequels like Final Fantasy X-2, Crisis Core for VII; XIII-2 & Lightning Returns; and Torna.

Kirby and DK games all happen within the same world so to speak, even if some Kirby games travel to different... locations within that world

 

[JOJONumber691]

As far as Euden Has Nintendo done much any kind of crossover between their mobile original properties and mainline consoles titles?

It would be a heck of a jump to go from essentially no breaching of that particular barrier to a mobile character appearing as major DLC in the Switch game that's sold 21 million copies.

Pocket Camp and New Horizons CHECKMATE!

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Three Houses itself hasn't been represented before, and all Fire Emblem content Byleth came with came from that game, while ARMS did not have adequate representation in the base game, lacking a fighter, a stage, or even music.

“Adequate” representation is very subjective and meaningless as a rebuttal. ARMS still had more content than most franchises without playable representation (and even more than Final Fantasy)

You gotta also keep in mind that ARMS is a brand new IP,

Which already “crossed over” with Smash in some form.

 

[chocolatejr9]

As far as Euden Has Nintendo done much any kind of crossover between their mobile original properties and mainline consoles titles?

It would be a heck of a jump to go from essentially no breaching of that particular barrier to a mobile character appearing as major DLC in the Switch game that's sold 21 million copies.

I don't know if I'm reading the question right, but I do know Dragalia Lost has had crossovers with various games, namely Fire Emblem (twice), Mega Man, Monster Hunter, and Princess Connect! Re:Dive.

Spoiler: Datamine

Also, thanks to the power of datamining, we know a Persona 5 Scramble crossover is in the works.

Is that what you meant, or something else?

 

[JOJONumber691]

You gotta also keep in mind that ARMS is a brand new IP, and Three Houses is a new “world” within the Fire Emblem universe. Fire Emblem (and Xenoblade) are like Final Fantasy in which the games don’t happen in the same world with the exception of direct sequels/prequels like Final Fantasy X-2, XIII-2 & Lightning Returns; and Torna.

Kirby and DK games all happen within the same world so to speak, even if some Kirby games travel to different... locations within that world

True, but I think Kirby has enough Locations that could help it be considered new, especially if that borderline confirmed 3D Kirby Game is in 2021. I defintely think outside of Euden and New Character, Dee is one of the most likely First Parties out there!

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I don't know if I'm reading the question right, but I do know Dragalia Lost has had crossovers with various games, namely Fire Emblem (twice), Mega Man, Monster Hunter, and Princess Connect! Re:Dive.

Spoiler: Datamine

Also, thanks to the power of datamining, we know a Persona 5 Scramble crossover is in the works.

Is that what you meant, or something else?

Well I guess more specifically, have elements from Dragalia Lost ever appeared in games on Nintendo home/portable consoles and not just other mobile titles?

 

[Brother AJ]

I'm sticking to my theory that if we don't get a reveal on Thursday then we're getting another 1st party character. I can only hope they're not underwhelming.

 

[7NATOR]

You Know

With Joker, they had to make Arsene as a whole new Model for Joker's Transformation. Is it possible some of that experience can apply to Euden if he was playable (Since he would have Dragon Transformation). Arsene Joker does have hitbox Changes and Access to Different Moves, but Not Hurtbox changes.

And I just realized that with Mii costume placement Theory, Shantae would work well being placed in Euden's Mii Pack, but Honestly I rather it be the other way around