Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

Druckmann doesn't even have any involvement with GoW, that's two completely different studios, so what the **** are you on about?

I know. I said I could relate to fans because hypothetically speaking if he was involved with God of War, I would be the same way as they were.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I know. I said I could relate to fans because hypothetically speaking if he was involved with God of War, I would be the same way as they were.

I really don't see the correlation as those are two completely different franchises with different focuses and your scenario being Druckmann randomly being put on GoW when TLOU was his own original idea last I checked

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I really don't see the correlation as those are two completely different franchises with different focuses and your scenario being Druckmann randomly being put on GoW when TLOU was his own original idea last I checked

That's why I said hypothetically if it happened.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Basically a lot of the discussions about TLOU2 on various sections of the internet are that heated and vicious to the point where even the Smash and Sonic communities would go "Come on guys, let's just try and be a bit more agreeable about this."

 

[SharkLord]

Off-topic, but how come people dislike Last of Us 2 so much?

Long story short, it's even darker than the already-dark first game, making it kinda hard to sit through. The main characters do some pretty nasty stuff, from what I've heard, and it generally sounds pretty hard to like them. The entire thing has a theme about how bad the cycle of revenge is, but the repercussions are one-sided and one person suffers while the other person gets away more or less fine, undermining said theme.
Plus, there's a certain character moment that upset fans of the original and, from what I can gather, made no sense and required that the guy acted out of character for it to happen. Not to mention that the director has apparently said some things that ticked people off. Don't know how true all of them are, but I do know that he lied about not having to kill any dogs when you need to do so to progress.

But hey, look on the bright side. Without TLOU2, we wouldn't have this:

The meme value of this game is insane.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

ok this. This is beautiful

 

[JOJONumber691]

Abby bad
Nuance bad
Realistic and gritty stuff bad, anime good
LGBT bad
Joel good despite him also being a murder
Muscle in girls bad
The story is bad because it didn't go the way I wanted

There I summed it up for you


He's been memeing and handling it like a pro, I'm not sure how else he suppose to do

https://youtu.be/6Z8FR0ydnvQ

 

[Deleted member]

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For one they do Joel dirty regarding his death. Character assassination to say the least. He went from this cynical distrusting guy who would never give any strangers his name to this idiot that suddenly saves random strangers and proceeds to into a room full of them while putting aside his weapons and giving out his name.

This is the same guy who survived 20+ years in a post-apocalyptic world and managed to kill an entire militia in a building.

There's also the fact Abby, Joel's killer gets off scot-free all because Ellie suddenly has this flashback of Joel despite going on a murder revenge rampage what was probably weeks if not months.

AND the fact you play as Joel's killer trying hard to make you like the character.

Like I'm not even a TLoU fan but when you know it's bad when even someone who isn't a fan knows how bad a game is in terms of plot and characters.

According to one leaker, Byleth was actually supposed to be revealed at the VGA last year but was presumable drop since Nintendo thought there'd be backlash due to being another Fire Emblem character.

I get that, but because it never happened and it was just, in essence, a rumor from a leaker, we've got no idea whether it was actually the case or not. No leaker has been 100% on anything for Smash, so just because one says 'Oh, this was supposed to happen' doesnt mean it was accurate info. It could have just been wrong like a lot of things that leakers sometimes get a hold of. We already know leakbait is a thing; could have been something that was teased to draw out leakers. Could have been a rumor that was actually for Ashen Wolves DLC to be announced at TGA but it was that that was delayed but the leaker assumed in retrospect it was about Byleth as a DLC character.

 

[Ivander]

He's been memeing and handling it like a pro, I'm not sure how else he suppose to do

It feels alot less like handling it like a pro and more unprofessional. I mean, regarding the TGA, he's encouraging people to vote for The Last of Us 2 for haters to lose their caps lock. Just yuck. Like there's nothing wrong with people liking it or disliking it, but encouraging people to vote just to "own the haters" feels downright childish.
Just the thought of a game winning TGA because people are encouraging "owning the haters" rather than because they like the game puts a sour taste in my mouth. Like this didn't happen with Death Stranding. None of the developers or fanbase encouraged to vote the game for Game of the Year to "own the haters". And when Death Stranding didn't win and Sekiro did instead, next to none were in arms about it.
Once again, it feels like 2020 continues to bring out the worst of people. And I feel bad for the people who do genuinely like The Last of Us 2 when the main director is encouraging people not to vote out of liking the game, but to "make the haters lose their caps lock" and the game may win not because of people liking it, but to "make the haters cry".

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Like there's nothing wrong with people liking it or disliking it, but encouraging people to vote just to "own the haters" feels downright childish.

And the sad part is, its working

 

[7NATOR]

I'm sure there are people voting TLOU2 because they know how controversial the game is, and want to see some Chaos if it does win Game of the Year, Especially if the Award is Read off by a Certain someone a Good amount of the internet don't like

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

But anyway, Rip ACs chance of being players voice

But h ey, Hades made it to round 3 so thats a win even tho it wont win

 

[cashregister9]

Maybe people just like The Last Of Us 2.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Maybe people just like The Last Of Us 2.

that is also true

 

[JOJONumber691]

Imagine if our first Sony Character is Ellie and Joel lol

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Imagine if our first Sony Character is Ellie and Joel lol

How would they play like if they were in Smash?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

How would they play like if they were in Smash?

Hard to say, though

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given Peach's use of a golf club, its easy to make Abby a semi-clone of her.

 

[I.D.]

Let's be fair, there were people saying the same things about Kojimbo's Death Stranding last year and Sekiro ended up winning instead. Give a chance to Dorito Pope

He looks like a man of integrity

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Imagine if our first Sony Character is Ellie and Joel lol

I mean, the first Last of Us is the best selling Playstation exclusive game of all time. It's even done better than any of the God of War games individually, so there is the argument that those two have more than enough iconic recognition.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

It was a terrible sequel to a good game. Even fans of the original hated it and how it ruined the character development and relationships of the original

among of course other issues

the guilt trips over killing an enemy’s dog don’t help either

Ok, I don’t HATE it. I just think a lot of the games story falls flat because of the hypocrisy in the gameplay inside the story itself. It’s not either sides fault it’s just that the messages of each don’t work with the other.

Like, Joel marching into a heavily armed hospital and murdering like 50+ heavily armed, expertly trained, gunmen is canonical but so is the scene with Abby so it doesn’t make sense in context. The revenge tale with Ellie is good but the context with the gameplay, the preceding story, and the ending doesn’t make any sense.

Funny thing is. The story from the side of Abby is near flawless because you really don’t get to see a lot of the stuff you see in Ellie’s story. But since you played as Ellie and did the things you did, the ending kinda falls face first and makes the context of the game pointless. If we were given a choice for the ending, or for the major points in the story, it’d be different but Neil set out to develop a very linear story and, since it’s a video game, it falls on itself. I actually think the story is “good” but the gameplay and the story feel VERY disconnected.

I was able to finally narrow down why I didn’t really like the game as much as the first, even though the first did fumble the ending, and the reason is that the game is made up of two very good parts, gameplay and story, that don’t quite come together to make up a very good whole. It’s just ok. If you take one side outside the context of the other then it is easily a 9 or a 10 but as an interconnected whole game it’s more of an 8 or 9. Still, very good but just not perfect like others have been saying.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Maybe people just like The Last Of Us 2.

cue stock laughtrack

Good one, buddy. Next you're gonna tell me people hate Fire Emblem in Smash.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Like, Joel marching into a heavily armed hospital and murdering like 50+ heavily armed, expertly trained, gunmen is canonical but so is the scene with Abby so it doesn’t make sense in context. The revenge tale with Ellie is good but the context with the gameplay, the preceding story, and the ending doesn’t make any sense.

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And saving random strangers, then going into a room full of them putting his weapons aside and giving them out his name.

 

[Jerry98]

and the ending doesn’t make any sense.

Or maybe you didn't understand it...

 

[Ivander]

Maybe people just like The Last Of Us 2.

Oh, there will be some people who like The Last of Us 2 and vote for it because they like it, no doubt about that. But if your main director encourages people to vote to "make a hater lose their caps lock" and there are a lot of people who will get angry at The Last of Us 2 winning, you just know that's going to attract just as many people who will vote just to see people have a hissy-fit.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't expect a reveal this month at all if we don't get a TGA reveal.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don't expect a reveal this month at all if we don't get a TGA reveal.

Can't wait to see until January when you also say we won't get one on that month as well.

 

[RileyXY1]

Can't wait to see until January when you also say we won't get one on that month.

The reveal has to come in early-mid January otherwise we'll have a longer wait than between Min Min and Steve, which I don't think will happen unless either COVID has really screwed up development or CP8 is just as complex as Steve is or more complex.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The reveal has to come in early-mid January otherwise we'll have a longer wait than between Min Min and Steve, which I don't think will happen unless either COVID has really screwed up development or CP8 is just as complex as Steve is or more complex.

What is this? Not possible! It cannot be! Riley isn't being a pessimistic!?

The end is nigh!

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I generally expect Smash in early/mid January as part of a gradual restart of Nintendo news after the holiday. With stuff like Mario 3D World and Monster Hunter Rise coming in March (and specific date announcements likely arriving for general 2021 releases) it feels like that's when everything would start up again.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Or maybe you didn't understand it...

I mean it’s not like it’s some enigma. The ending is pretty straightforward.

I’ll spoiler this in case you haven’t played it for context of others:
Basically Ellie is about to kill Abby but gets a flashback of Joel saying “you’ll be just like them, be better” talking about revenge. Unfortunately, as Ellie you just went through 90% of the game on a warpath killing everyone in your way including all of Abby’s family and friends. So...

 

[RileyXY1]

I generally expect Smash in early/mid January as part of a gradual restart of Nintendo news after the holiday. With stuff like Mario 3D World and Monster Hunter Rise coming in March (and specific date announcements likely arriving for general 2021 releases) it feels like that's when everything would start up again.

That's what I'm thinking too, especially considering that they have to reveal and release four characters next year unless COVID delays Smash DLC into 2022, but that is unlikely.

 

[osby]

I know this is a TLOU2 thread but what do you guys think about the possibility of the next newcomer being a Nintendo character? If that's the case, I can see them being revealed in January like Byleth more easily.

 

[RileyXY1]

I know this is a TLOU2 thread but what do you guys think about the possibility of the next newcomer being a Nintendo character? If that's the case, I can see them being revealed in January like Byleth more easily.

I don't know about that as almost all likely Nintendo characters are deconfirmed thanks to Spirit Events.

 

[PacificFun]

Holy frick, Nintendo is having a literal PR nightmare right now. If there's ANY content at The Game Awards, it better be crowd pleasing or this year is going to end off on a horrible note for them (in terms of PR and brand, not sales lol).

They've been acting so garbage this year.

 

[RileyXY1]

Holy frick, Nintendo is having a literal PR nightmare right now. If there's ANY content at The Game Awards, it better be crowd pleasing or this year is going to end off on a horrible note for them (in terms of PR and brand, not sales lol).

They've been acting so garbage this year.

Yeah. They just ordered the shutdown of Etika-themed Joycons that were sold to raise awareness of mental health issues.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Sora at Game Awards let's goooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I know this is a TLOU2 thread but what do you guys think about the possibility of the next newcomer being a Nintendo character? If that's the case, I can see them being revealed in January like Byleth more easily.

Possible. Regardless, I am absolutely certain there is at least going to be one more first-party character in this pass and that it won’t be a Sword and Shield Pokemon.

 

[PacificFun]

Godamnit, this theard turned into another TLOU2 Battlefield.

 

[PacificFun]

Yeah. They just ordered the shutdown of Etika-themed Joycons that were sold to raise awareness of mental health issues.

Exactly. This is almost worse than when Disney told a man he couldn't put Spider-Man on his son's grave.

 

[RileyXY1]

Possible. Regardless, I am absolutely certain there is at least going to be one more first-party character in this pass and that it eon’t be a Sword and Shield Pokemon.

If it isn't it would have to be Rex unless we're getting a fighter from some unknown game coming out in 2021.