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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Cutie Gwen

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Scoliosis Jones said:
I was hoping that wasn’t going to get leaked.

Guess I’ll have to share moveset details with you guys now.
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"If Jones gets hit by Incineroar and K.Rool's up throw, the back breaker, he will lose a stock instantly." studio laughs "Why are you laughing I genuinely put that in there"
 
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MrMcNuts said:
I don't think this thread is really the best place to bring this up but gotta remember these people are just trolls that usually never have concrete reasons why the character is never happening and are just scared of them getting in. Not worth the time or attention they so desperately seek
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I don't know, it seems a little unfair to call everyone a troll just because they don't see a character happening. I come onto this thread everyday and everyone is generally accepting of new characters whenever they're brought up. It's just if you're going to make a case for them, you have to bring up some good arguments as to why they could be likely for Smash Bros.
 
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RileyXY1 said:
If Fortnite gets in then I'm concerned that FP2 will entirely consist of recent characters.
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That's jumping to conclusions, much like those who believed either of these passes would be strictly third-party.

Regardless, more recent characters isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are fifty-two characters who came out before the 2000s. Ultimate is the first Smash game where newer characters outnumber older ones.
 
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i have a really unpopular take on the miis

although i like their current design and all, i think there should only be one - the mii fighter - who would better represent their origins (ie, the wii series of games such as wii play, wii sports, etc) as opposed to 'fist, sword, gun.'
stuff like, for instance, i can see aerials based on that bubble game from wii play, maybe a side smash of their sword from sports resort, possibly a down b which summons an instrument from wii music, stuff like that. although i do like the customisation, i feel like this would represent the miis themselves better... even if i wouldn't change the current setup.
 
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Cosmic77 said:
That's jumping to conclusions, much like those who believed either of these passes would be strictly third-party.

Regardless, more recent characters isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are fifty-two characters who came out before the 2000s. Ultimate is the first Smash game where newer characters outnumber older ones.
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Yeah, recent characters aren't inherently bad. It's just that I like some older characters too, and I'd like to have hope that I can have a mix of both. Having the entire first half of the pass be modern characters would be a bummer to fans of older series, while mixing them up early on would give both sides some reassurance.
 
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KneeOfJustice99 said:
i have a really unpopular take on the miis

although i like their current design and all, i think there should only be one - the mii fighter - who would better represent their origins (ie, the wii series of games such as wii play, wii sports, etc) as opposed to 'fist, sword, gun.'
stuff like, for instance, i can see aerials based on that bubble game from wii play, maybe a side smash of their sword from sports resort, possibly a down b which summons an instrument from wii music, stuff like that. although i do like the customisation, i feel like this would represent the miis themselves better... even if i wouldn't change the current setup.
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Mii Fighter isn't the actual Mii from the Wii series. It's a specific Mii designed strictly as a Smash Bros. Universe character. That's why it's not related at all to the Wii series and they have separated symbols.

The closest thing in-game is Miiverse itself, which is where the rest of the Miis are from, the ones specifically not the SSB characters. Instead of entirely getting rid of the great mechanic to make any character you want(which is actually ridiculously popular of an idea), it'd be easier to make a second character just called Mii and do what you're talking about. With some of the more popular character designs for the 8 costumes, instead of custom costumes. Similar to Villager.

It makes no sense to have tons of weird costumes with a moveset that's illogical, which is why the costumes don't work for a general Mii. They're very class-specific at times. You'd also have no reason to have a swordfighter type costume if they were using a golf club for each move(etc) where plausible, since it would ruin the immersion even more than some terribad costumes like King K. Rool. And then you get into model changes if they even keep the sword. Beyond that, imagine how many costumes have to be scrapped/reworked to get rid of the Mii Fighter. That doesn't save them time at all. It's just easier to have another Mii character and have them represent the Wii series well. Miis aren't only about customization(though technically speaking, they're actually very accurate to how they appear in the games. Their purpose wasn't to be playable in a Wii series game so much as a customizable avatar that is used in any possible game and their playable mechanics adhere to that particular game's design. ...Which is why Mii Fighters actually are accurately used, though not the most favorable to every single person. I even was for the idea of a Wii representative too).
 
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Evil Trapezium said:
I don't know, it seems a little unfair to call everyone a troll just because they don't see a character happening. I come onto this thread everyday and everyone is generally accepting of new characters whenever they're brought up. It's just if you're going to make a case for them, you have to bring up some good arguments as to why they could be likely for Smash Bros.
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He's talking bout a guy on twitter that constantly tells people their characters 100% ain't happening mate. Not some dude civily explaining why he thinks they won't happen. I'm all for civil discussion but the person in question is not one of those guys.
 
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MrMcNuts said:
He's talking bout a guy on twitter that constantly tells people their characters 100% ain't happening mate. Not some dude civily explaining why he thinks they won't happen. I'm all for civil discussion but the person in question is not one of those guys.
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It’s ok, you can say Terry Syvertson
 
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MrMcNuts said:
He's talking bout a guy on twitter that constantly tells people their characters 100% ain't happening mate. Not some dude civily explaining why he thinks they won't happen. I'm all for civil discussion but the person in question is not one of those guys.
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Misunderstanding from my part. I thought you were saying that the people on this thread are a bunch of trolls.
 
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Cosmic77 said:
To be fair, Nintendo probably does care more about profits than unique characters. It's just that we've been relatively lucky so far in the second pass.

Both the characters they wanted (even though they really didn't care which ARMS character was chosen) had a lot of material to make them unique.
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Minecraft Steve got them way more profits than a Fortnite character will ever get them though.

Besides, I don't think it's entirely about profits, considering that we got Banjo Kazooie, Terry, and even Joker (which is kinda niche compared to Dragon Quest and Fire Emblem)
 
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mariofan48 said:
Minecraft Steve got them way more profits than a Fortnite character will ever get them though.

Besides, I don't think it's entirely about profits, considering that we got Banjo Kazooie, Terry, and even Joker (which is kinda niche compared to Dragon Quest and Fire Emblem)
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Not really sure about FE and Persona to be honest. I'd say both are equally popular.
FE has sold like 16? million copies if I'm not mistaken, while Persona is at 13.1 million according to recent reports. Considering there are 16 mainline FE games and 6 mainline Persona games, and FE being considerably older and all... Yeah I'd say both franchises are equally popular.

The difference I guess is that among the Nintendo crowd Fire Emblem has been historically more popular than Persona for obvious reasons.
 
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Guynamednelson said:
I'd think Nintendo would just be fine outnumbering Brawl's sales and certainly not having another Wii U era, but whatever.
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I was joking around, as evidenced by the quotation and the emote.

That said, while the question of profit is obviously going to factor into things, things are a bit more complicated by the fact that they don't obviously need "all super-AAA-listers".

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Mario stumbling into the Fortnite universe:
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That feeling when a Lakitu Party starts in Mario 35

mariofan48 said:
Minecraft Steve got them way more profits than a Fortnite character will ever get them though.

Besides, I don't think it's entirely about profits, considering that we got Banjo Kazooie, Terry, and even Joker (which is kinda niche compared to Dragon Quest and Fire Emblem)
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It's extremely difficult to say. Although it's kind of pointless to compare "who would earn more money" since Minecraft and Fortnite are in the same general level of fame - and the latter three are closer to each other than those two. Regardless - there is no real way for us to know how many bought each individual DLC pack / Fighter Passes.

Besides that though, yes, precendence has shown that they're comfortable mixing and matching. It's not all about profits since, well, I'm pretty sure B-K, Terry, Joker's and Byleth's individual Challenger Packs were worth the investment. That said, the bigger characters can also be alluring in their own way (sometimes to extremes, like when Steve broke Twitter).
 
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SNEKeater said:
Not really sure about FE and Persona to be honest. I'd say both are equally popular.
FE has sold like 16? million copies if I'm not mistaken, while Persona is at 13.1 million according to recent reports. Considering there are 16 mainline FE games and 6 mainline Persona games, and FE being considerably older and all... Yeah I'd say both franchises are equally popular.

The difference I guess is that among the Nintendo crowd Fire Emblem has been historically more popular than Persona for obvious reasons.
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I'd say that it would be more spot-on to compare the sales of P5 and 3 Houses, and vanillia P5 sold around 3.2 million while 3 Houses sold around 3 millions, which should indeed make them about equally popular. Now, there's obviously nuance to this, as vanillia P5 was out for longer than 3 Houses, and the sales of P5R boost the sales of P5 (though there's no way to know how many of them are fans of the original P5 buying the enanced version), and also how 3 Houses got more publicity from Nintendo as it's a first party title while P5 is a third party title for the PS4, though I would say that they cancel each others out, which would indeed make both around as popular as each others.
 
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More seriously, I think my biggest feeling toward Jonesy in Smash would be that it would make our last 4 characters (Byleth, Min Min, Steve, Jonesy) all ones who are fairly recent. Part of what I think the first Fighters Pass did well was mixing older characters (Terry, Banjo) with newer characters (Joker, Byleth) and the Dragon Quest quartet spanning the series history since the '80s. If we got 4 characters in a row that are all 2010s-focused, I just feel that it's leaning a little too heavily on recency.

now watch them do Tracer or some other 2010s 3rd party instead
 
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Miles of SmashWiki said:
More seriously, I think my biggest feeling toward Jonesy in Smash would be that it would make our last 4 characters (Byleth, Min Min, Steve, Jonesy) all ones who are fairly recent. Part of what I think the first Fighters Pass did well was mixing older characters (Terry, Banjo) with newer characters (Joker, Byleth) and the Dragon Quest quartet spanning the series history since the '80s. If we got 4 characters in a row that are all 2010s-focused, I just feel that it's leaning a little too heavily on recency.

now watch them do Tracer or some other 2010s 3rd party instead
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Yeah. I want to see an older character to balance this out.
 
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mariofan48 said:
Minecraft Steve got them way more profits than a Fortnite character will ever get them though.

Besides, I don't think it's entirely about profits, considering that we got Banjo Kazooie, Terry, and even Joker (which is kinda niche compared to Dragon Quest and Fire Emblem)
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making money off of minecraft fans doesn't mean they can't also make money off of fortnite fans. and obscure characters, if they're cheaper to acquire the rights for, still provide plenty of opportunity for profit because you're spending less to get them in the first place. it's the difference between spending 100 dollars to make 10,000 dollars, and spending 1 dollar to make 100 dollars - it's still tenfold profit
 
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This feels like another one of those times where we connected the dots for something to mean Smash when it didn’t but I’m not sure. Jonesy could definitely happen but is that what all this lead up is for?
 
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