Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[skylanders fan]

So.......how about a new subject to speculate? What do you think the more character-like Mii costumes, like Bomberman, Sans, Cuphead and Vault Boy, could mean for future content and games? I mean, considering their willingness to make the costumes look much more like the character and whatnot. Think their willingness could have an impact on future Mii costumes and alternate costumes/colors in future games and whatnot?

I think if they do go to more big mii costumes and even if and a big if potential alternative costumes for characters they will wait for dlc for the next smash game. They see that we will pay for it so I could see them doing it for dlc before we get it in the next base game

 

[Momotsuki]

Hear me out, y'know what'd be a super cool first party DLC fighter? A Guardian. Just - literally a Guardian Stalker straight out of BotW. Could be a uber-interesting superheavy-zoner-thing and also has that "what?" factor. Also the first Zelda rep in forever without being a low hanging fruit like Skull Kid.

 

[Icedragonadam]

A December release for FP8 is possible.

Steve took pretty long because well just look at how he plays. And it'd be a perfect time to capitalize on holiday sales as well. It isn't December yet so who knows.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Mario Sports Mix came out a year later and had Slime, Cactaur, Moogle, etc etc.

It was probably still in production when the rules went into effect and got amnesty.

 

[Momotsuki]

Admittedly I don't mind the super slow nature of FPV2's rollout thus far. Mainly because I really don't want this speculation season to end so soon. We aren't seeing a roster like this again, you know - ever! When this is over, it's over. The series will go on but not as we've come to know and love it.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So do we have any rumors to go off of or have all "really trustworth, honestly guys" sources come out and said "hahahahahah you believed that?" like that one **** who gave wrong Harry Potter spoilers.

 

[SharkLord]

So do we have any rumors to go off of or have all "really trustworth, honestly guys" sources come out and said "hahahahahah you believed that?" like that one **** who gave wrong Harry Potter spoilers.

Not really, no. The closest we have is the Falcom leak, and that's just been us matching up releases with it's predictions.

 

[Simplythe1]

I just finished playing Ys 8 after holding off on it so long and man....after getting the true ending, I support Adol even more than before

also I haven't had post game depression like this since XB2 and Stella Glow

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Hear me out, y'know what'd be a super cool first party DLC fighter? A Guardian. Just - literally a Guardian Stalker straight out of BotW. Could be a uber-interesting superheavy-zoner-thing and also has that "what?" factor. Also the first Zelda rep in forever without being a low hanging fruit like Skull Kid.

Low hanging fruit are tasty and easy to reach.

 

[SKX31]

Joker didn’t steal the invite. Remember? Morgana specifically said they were invited; “invited to steal the greatest treasure of all”.

So the smash invite was for them and I guess they we’re going to steal something else; like Smash Champion status or something lol.

You mean that Joker, MKLeo and Sakurai were involved in an insider job to make sure MKLeo would win EVO 2019 and dominate competitive with Joker?!

Shock from saudi prince buying SNK

Who?

Quoting this for clarity:

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It is only 33% but that doesn't change who's involved.

Bear with me on this one, this is going to be long (this is not mentioned by SNK's homepage at the moment):

In 2015 SNK's was bought out by 37 Games (browser / mobile game dev based in Guangzhou) and Orient Securities (Shanghai-based bank). 37 Games and Orient pumped money into Ledo (and its "parent" Zheyuan Culture... it gets complicated) and then used Ledo to buy SNK. 37 and Orient are the two companies still listed by Zhuge and SNK's Wikipedia page. It was Ledo that listed SNK shares on the Korean Kosdaq in 2019. SNK also has a separate Chinese listing in Beijing (SNK's English company profile page mentions the Chinese office by name under the "Company History").

Here are SNK's Korean shares as of April 2020. It's that which the Korean article (and subsuquent articles like Kotaku) quote. This is where the talk's coming from. The key people buying 33 % of SNK's Korean shares here are Mohammed Bin Salman's (Saudi Crown Prince) and his Electronic Gaming Development Company (EGDC). EGDC is apparently a subsidiary of MBS' MiSK Foundation. So in other words: MBS -> MiSK - > EGDC.

I'm lead to believe that we're talking SNK's Korean shares since the initial Korean article the tweet's linked to did not recieve that much spread, and if we were talking SNK's overall shares SNK themselves would've no doubt talked about it more openly. Zhuge would've also mentioned it by now - he hasn't AFAIK.

Again, it's only 33 % of SNK's Korean shares it appears. Yes, the news came out of the blue, but there were apparently existing signs. SNK have done quite a lot with MBS and MiSK - SNK's CEO visited Riyadh in 2017, signing a partnership with MBS' Manga Productions (#CreativeNaming) and even giving MiSK's Secretary-General a custom Neo Geo. SNK have also worked with MiSK on an internship program last year. And apparently MBS is also a KOF fan.... um, huh.

Beyond the skeletons in the closet issues (which are many given MBS' current hand in the really messy geopolitical pie, lets leave it at that for the sake of this thread), I speculated in the Discord server that SNK propably would accept it mostly because we're talking about a filthy rich corp to begin with, and releasing games easier in the Middle East a second place. There are a couple caveats (editing my posts there):

* The first caveat is related to how SNK's stuck rather closely to Tencent as a result of the post-2015 ownership (despite not being directly owned by Tencent), and that is we'll likely see them regularily involve themselves with MBS' Manga Productions (Again, #CreativeNaming). Citing the press release from SNK when their CEO visited MBS' manga and video game conference Riyadh in 2017: the CEO talked about the Chinese content industry's growth. I wouldn't entirely be surprised if MBS wants to gain a foothold there...

* ...Waaaaaaaait a second. One of KoF XIV's DLC characters - Najd - is a collab between SNK and Manga Productions. Her (code)name is even a nod to the Arabian region with the same name. Alerting Sari in case, because this seems to have flown under many radars.

* The second caveat relates to Mai: I don't think she'll be censored in most regions considering that Najd appears in the same promo art as the decidingly-less-dressed Blue Mary. But if SNK wants to see more releases in the Middle Eastern region, well they're going to probably do so in at least some ME countries. Some, mind: the ME is currently fractured and I wouldn't be surprised if that extended to the video game sphere. To name an example: the Saudi PlayStation store is apparently hated by the local PlayStation fanbase for a number of reasons, with banned games and Fall Guys seeing a late release for no apparent reason being two issues. Meanwhile, the UAE (Dubai) is much more lenient with game releases, and Dad of War was one of the most popular games bought from its stores (and consequently, one of the most popular titles in the ME region at large) in 2018.

I'm not as familiar with the Middle Eastern gaming industry as I am with the Chinese, but that region's video game playerbase is growing very quickly. It's still plagued with weak internet infrastructure, but that doesn't prevent mobile games from being very prevalent there. Nintendo does sell Switches to the Middle East via a local distributor (parts of the region officially, but there are also unofficial Switch imports I'd imagine). And like how the PlayStation has found a foothold in the region, so has Nintendo gained a somewhat small but very much active foothold there too.

Whew, this was absurdly long. And complicated.

So.......how about a new subject to speculate? What do you think the more character-like Mii costumes, like Bomberman, Sans, Cuphead and Vault Boy, could mean for future content and games? I mean, considering their willingness to make the costumes look much more like the character and whatnot. Think their willingness could have an impact on future Mii costumes and alternate costumes/colors in future games and whatnot?

While the Mii costumes are likely to stay that way at least for this game, I'd argue that Bomberman could be one of the cases where they might consider giving him a playable status in a Smash 6. That does depend on if Sakurai and co. can find a moveset they think will fit him obviously, and that's completely up in the air really.

 

[LucKekkai]

I just finished playing Ys 8 after holding off on it so long and man....after getting the true ending, I support Adol even more than beforeView attachment 292877


also I haven't had post game depression like this since XB2 and Stella Glow

Lol, I know what you mean by "post game depression". It took me a bit to get over the ending of Ys VIII. XD

If you haven't already, now is the perfect time to play through the other Ys games, or even the Trails games. Quite a few of them are on sale right now on Steam.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Hear me out, y'know what'd be a super cool first party DLC fighter? A Guardian. Just - literally a Guardian Stalker straight out of BotW. Could be a uber-interesting superheavy-zoner-thing and also has that "what?" factor. Also the first Zelda rep in forever without being a low hanging fruit like Skull Kid.

A gaurdian scout would be way better in my opinion. It would be able to shoot lasers just like a stalker, and its ability to wield guardian weapons would give it more ways to attack. Also as a bonus it wouldn't have to be resized.

 

[SharkLord]

I just finished playing Ys 8 after holding off on it so long and man....after getting the true ending, I support Adol even more than beforeView attachment 292877


also I haven't had post game depression like this since XB2 and Stella Glow

Welcome to the club. To celebrate, we're bringing out one of the best final boss themes in gaming.

 

[Simplythe1]

Lol, I know what you mean by "post game depression". It took me a bit to get over the ending of Ys VIII. XD

If you haven't already, now is the perfect time to play through the other Ys games, or even the Trails games. Quite a few of them are on sale right now on Steam.

I've already played some other Ys games and I can't wait Ys 9 coming to switch...but man my eyes really sting from those tears running from my face and I never thought I could get so attached to one character, and I'll never experience this one of a kind adventure for the first time ever again...

 

[PeridotGX]

Hear me out, y'know what'd be a super cool first party DLC fighter? A Guardian. Just - literally a Guardian Stalker straight out of BotW. Could be a uber-interesting superheavy-zoner-thing and also has that "what?" factor. Also the first Zelda rep in forever without being a low hanging fruit like Skull Kid.

I've had that idea for awhile. I don't think it's happemning, but it would be pretty cool and is probably my most wanted generic enemy.

 

[Perkilator]

Just a thought; I figured if Nintendo were gonna tease a Smash reveal at TGA, they would’ve done so when the nominees were announced.

No particular reason for this thought, it just sorta crossed my head.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Just a thought; I figured if Nintendo were gonna tease a Smash reveal at TGA, they would’ve done so when the nominees were announced.

No particular reason for this thought, it just sorta crossed my head.

Did they do so for 2018 pre-Joker?

 

[Perkilator]

Did they do so for 2018 pre-Joker?

No, but that’s not my point.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

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POTD

 

[chocolatejr9]

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POTD

Are they crashing to the Earth?

 

[Shroob]

Are they crashing to the Earth?

Crashing this planeSpaceship

With no survivors

 

[PacificFun]

You guys think we're getting a Game Awards reveal or a January reveal?

 

[Shroob]

You guys think we're getting a Game Awards reveal or a January reveal?

50/50

Feel like February will be way too late for one(It'll be like 110 days since Steve came out by Feb 1st), so the absolute latest I see is sometime in January.

 

[cashregister9]

50/50

Feel like February will be way too late for one(It'll be like 110 days since Steve came out by Feb 1st), so the absolute latest I see is sometime in January.

I agree here but I wouldn't totally rule out February, We are talking about Nintendo here, the Kings of the Questionable Decision department.

 

[RileyXY1]

I agree here but I wouldn't totally rule out February, We are talking about Nintendo here, the Kings of the Questionable Decision department.

I don't think that's gonna happen unless FP8 is just as complex as Steve, or more complex than him.

 

[Perkilator]

You guys think we're getting a Game Awards reveal or a January reveal?

50/50; only thing I'm super confident in is a release in either January or February.

 

[BlondeLombax]

You guys think we're getting a Game Awards reveal or a January reveal?

As long as they're revealed, that's fine by me.

 

[SharkLord]

50/50

Feel like February will be way too late for one(It'll be like 110 days since Steve came out by Feb 1st), so the absolute latest I see is sometime in January.

Agreed. The DLC usually comes out about three months apart, something that still mostly holds up if we count the ARMS guessing game and Min Min herself separately. This would imply a release sometime in January, so based on past precedent, we could either see an announcement a month in advance or only a couple weeks beforehand.

 

[skylanders fan]

If they’re is something at the game awards I hope they give us a heads up that at the very least nintendo will be showing something because last year watch the game awards was not fun

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Is Ys really that good?

 

[Perkilator]

Is Ys really that good?

From what I've heard.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

You guys think we're getting a Game Awards reveal or a January reveal?

January most likely. Steve was just revealed last month in the beginning, too early for December.

Anyone expecting a reveal at the VGA is setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

[SharkLord]

Is Ys really that good?

Yes, yes it is. It's also really easy to get into; Every game is connected, but actual references to that continuity are generally kept to a minimum. Heck, the titular continent of Ys isn't even referenced that much. The only consistent things are Adol, Dogi, the Romun Empire, usually the Clan of Darkness, and a couple things that mention the games before and after the current installment (The region Adol's heading to next, the strongest sword from the previous game that you lose in the prologue, etc.). Plus, the most recent version of every game is on Steam.

Except Ys V.

But that's one of the worst games in the series, so it doesn't matter.

 

[LucKekkai]

Is Ys really that good?

Falcom games in general are good. Ys games are fast paced Action RPGs, so if you like Action RPGs, you'll definitely like Ys.

Yes, yes it is. It's also really easy to get into; Every game is connected, but actual references to that continuity are generally kept to a minimum. Heck, the titular continent of Ys isn't even referenced that much. The only consistent things are Adol, Dogi, the Romun Empire, usually the Clan of Darkness, and a couple things that mention the games before and after the current installment (The region Adol's heading to next, the strongest sword from the previous game that you lose in the prologue, etc.). Plus, the most recent version of every game is on Steam.

Except Ys V.

But that's one of the worst games in the series, so it doesn't matter.

Until Ys V's inevitable remake is announced for next year, and it turns out to be even better than every Ys game that came before it. =P

 

[Ivander]

Is Ys really that good?

Well, I enjoyed the ones I played. And the music is pretty great.

 

[Perkilator]

Just a reminder; 2021 is Cash Banooca's 25th anniversary (among many other anniversaries, including Pokémon).

With the Crash mascot becoming relevant in Japan (albeit without the guy between its teeth), I think it'd be a missed opportunity (not that I expect it) to not have Crash's reveal be a homage to the "plumber boy" commercial from back in the day.

 

[Cosmic77]

TBH I don't think the possibility of a Smash announcement is gonna be enough for me to watch TGAs this year.

It's too tedious.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Watching the TGAs is just something I do now. It’s been a tradition for me since like...2011? So yeah, I usually have my phone sitting there with it on while I play something and pause it if I see something I find interesting.

I dunno why people seem to think that they can’t multitask by keeping The Game Awards on lol. I’ll see a smash reveal if it happens and if it don’t happen it ain’t like I wasted my time.

 

[SharkLord]

Falcom games in general are good. Ys games are fast paced Action RPGs, so if you like Action RPGs, you'll definitely like Ys.


Until Ys V's inevitable remake is announced for next year, and it turns out to be even better than every Ys game that came before it. =P

The Oath in Felghana for the new generations.

Though, based on VIII and IX, I'd imagine the next Ys game would be scheduled for 2021 in Japan for the PS4 (Or maybe shift to the PS5?) and branch out over the course of the next couple years.

 

[Simplythe1]

All right I think I've calmed down for the most part, anyways all I want to say is go play Ys 8, its a masterpiece and more people should definitely play it (AND other Ys titles) anyways ima head to bed before this pain in my chest kills me