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I know the recent Capcom leak is more about marketing stuff and how to approach localization going forward, but did anyone catch anything that could impact Smash (other than the confirmation Ace Attorney is not dead, as was discussed earlier in the thread)?
 

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Eh, it's Japan. The nation is generally way more bigoted than the West, and that could bleed over into people making DQ games besides Koichi.
Well, from what I've heard they can be a bit xenophobic, but most of the insulting stuff you could find are born of ignorance rather than malice since they don't interact with other countries as much.

I know the recent Capcom leak is more about marketing stuff and how to approach localization going forward, but did anyone catch anything that could impact Smash (other than the confirmation Ace Attorney is not dead, as was discussed earlier in the thread)?
Nope.
 

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I know the recent Capcom leak is more about marketing stuff and how to approach localization going forward, but did anyone catch anything that could impact Smash (other than the confirmation Ace Attorney is not dead, as was discussed earlier in the thread)?
Not as of yet. Depending on how soon the leakers get shut down, we might never know if it had it or not, seeing as only a fraction of the data got leaked.
 

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Its been a while...

Anyone else staring to care less and less about the DLC? After Steve, I've been in this sort of dazed state over Smash speculation. I'm currently taking a long break from Smashfaqs as its just talking about the same things over and over again. Maybe I won't be feeling this way in the coming months but...eh.
Well, it's not on my mind every day and I would honestly deem that as a good thing.

Smash Speculation is now pretty much an open book for me, personally.
Spirits don't deconfirm (under certain circumstances), FP2 won't be 1st Parties only or 3rd Parties only, and we already got a really good pass-seller as our 2nd character of the pass.

Therefore, if anything, I would be more focused on rooting for my own most wanted character(s), while simultaneously seeing them being **** on. :4pacman:
 

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I know the recent Capcom leak is more about marketing stuff and how to approach localization going forward, but did anyone catch anything that could impact Smash (other than the confirmation Ace Attorney is not dead, as was discussed earlier in the thread)?
I don't know if this counts, but MH Rise and Stories 2 are coming to PC just 4 months after the Switch. But they aren't coming to other consoles, which suggests that Nintendo paid for console exclusivity.
 

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Still calling it. Arle is gonna get a Spirit Event or a Mii costume.
As a supporter, I've been dreading a Puyo event for months, especially with PPT2 coming up for the Switch.

Also, I wanted to ask my fellow Phoenix supporters: what's this about AA7 being confirmed for next year among the Capcom leaks?
 

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As a supporter, I've been dreading a Puyo event for months, especially with PPT2 coming up for the Switch.

Also, I wanted to ask my fellow Phoenix supporters: what's this about AA7 being confirmed for next year among the Capcom leaks?
didn't one of the head writers of AA leave Capcom like a year ago? this would be a miracle tbh
 

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I don't know if this counts, but MH Rise and Stories 2 are coming to PC just 4 months after the Switch. But they aren't coming to other consoles, which suggests that Nintendo paid for console exclusivity.
I don't think Nintendo is happy about this lol
I mean it's not like Rise is going to sell a lot less on Switch after this, but it was a big appeal for getting a Switch and there probably was people that was planning to buy a Switch for MH Rise.

As a supporter, I've been dreading a Puyo event for months, especially with PPT2 coming up for the Switch.

Also, I wanted to ask my fellow Phoenix supporters: what's this about AA7 being confirmed for next year among the Capcom leaks?
Ace Attorney 7 is mentioned in a recent slider that has been found. Alongside that, Capcom seems to be considering to re-release AA4, 5 and 6 as well. This part is info from 2019, so something might have changed, but AA7 being in development is pretty much certain, and according to the leak, planned to release in Q3 2021. But of course, this was before covid so who knows.

For reference, next year is also the 20th anniversary of the series.
 

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enough about Warriors, give us Pokemon Conquest 2

set during the Darkest Day and the Kalos-Galar War 3000 years ago
Would that involve an alliance between Kalos and the Crown Tundra?

What does this have to do with anything?

Besides, Melee started introducing more wacky characters with unique mechanics like the Ice Climbers functioning as a duo fighter and G&W's Judge move, well before these supposed Brawl mods.
Hell, I'd argue 64 had its share of (limited) gimmicks, with DK's Cargo grab, Ness' Up B, oh and Rest being a frame 1 kill move with severe drawbacks if missed. Ergo, I'd argue that Sakurai's always had uniqueness in mind when designing at least some characters.

didn't one of the head writers of AA leave Capcom like a year ago? this would be a miracle tbh
It appears so, it happened this past July. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Capcom's at least looking for a new head writer: they've seen the AA series as a consistent seller, and I can't see Capcom abandoning the series entirely. We'll just have to see if that comes up in the leaks though.
 

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So if we take 100 days into account. Guess we'll be skipping June next year.

FP8: January 2021
FP9: April 2021
FP10: July 2021
FP11: October 2021

If a double reveal for July though then it ends earlier.
 

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It appears so, it happened this past July. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Capcom's at least looking for a new head writer: they've seen the AA series as a consistent seller, and I can't see Capcom abandoning the series entirely. We'll just have to see if that comes up in the leaks though.
Apparently the re-release for the OG trilogy on modern platforms sold incredibly well, 150% I think? better than they were expecting. I guess that was a big part of why they're localizing TGAA and developing AA7.
As a curiosity it seems the AA1-3 HD trilogy sold 1,000 units on Xbox One lol.

There's a thread in reddit with all the info, which doesn't link the leaked images and all.
 

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now if y'all would release the two Investigations games... maybe literally like, purchase the second game’s fan translation's script from the group or something, it legit feels 100% like a Capcom USA localization complete with relevant memes!
Investigations 1 and Apollo Justice are already on modern mobile devices, So they literally have HD(?) and localized versions of 1 they just need investigations 2 which they could do as you suggested.
 
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Well, the original idea was to use the hammer in much the same way as the cape is used now, but with a downward swing that makes it feel better as a Down Special (since the new attack I was giving him really only worked as a Side Special) while still retaining the reflective properties since an anti-zoning tool is a good thing for a beginner character to have. I'd have Mario grab the hammer near its head so it didn't extend the range that much if at all as well. The only thing you'd really lose is the part where the cape turns opponents around, but that really only had a niche use anyway.
Isn't the hammer only able to reflect projectiles when swung sideways in the M&L games?
 

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Though tbf the best part of Great Ace Attorney 1 & 2 being localized is I don’t have to risk my 3DS getting bricked or banned by custom firmware anymore
 

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Isn't the hammer only able to reflect projectiles when swung sideways in the M&L games?
No, there are other ways it's been done in the series. Off the top of my head, there's been an overhead swing to get rid of projectiles from above. Regardless I don't think it's that big of a deal.

...Come to think of it though, I guess I was picturing a more sideways swing. It's kind of diagonal so that's why I said downward at the start. I'd probably have to animate it myself in order to get what I'm picturing across, and sadly I don't have that capability. Maybe one day.
 

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Yeah Warriors was a big reason for the split between old fans and new fans back then. The absolute fan service that Fates and Awakening got while the most old fans got was Lyn, Marth, Celica, and Caeda. That was it. Compared to the 16 or so Fates/Awakening characters it was a big slap in the face to old fans like myself. It was just a ****ing bummer.
 

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Yeah Warriors was a big reason for the split between old fans and new fans back then. The absolute fan service that Fates and Awakening got while the most old fans got was Lyn, Marth, Celica, and Caeda. That was it. Compared to the 16 or so Fates/Awakening characters it was a big slap in the face to old fans like myself. It was just a ****ing bummer.
The original Hyrule Warriors had a lot of favoritism to OoT too, for some weird reason. This is prior to DLC and stuff.
 
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Even given the likely pretty bog-standard cast, I think a game like this could be pretty fun, and it'd probably breathe new life into a lot of these characters. There'd be a fresh take on the map design as well, and so long as not every map was based on a New Super Mario Bros. World, they could look pretty unique and interesting as well.

Also I know all of the Koopalings's names by heart. Send help.
Id really enjoy a Mario Warriors game.
Hell- maybe we could mobilize some of these other kingdoms, including getting back to Sarasaland, and finally seeing a few of the other neighboring lands. I'm going to leave out the bad guys as characters, though. (I've still got a blank space on a few items, if anyone wants to make a suggestion. Since it mostly all goes together, I think I might make a spreadsheet soon).

Playable Characters:
  • 1- Mario
  • 2- Luigi
  • 3- Yoshi
  • 4- Peach
  • 5- Captain Toad
  • 6- E Gadd
  • 7- Daisy
  • 8- Wario
  • 9- Waluigi
  • 10- Birdo
  • 11- Pauline
  • 12- Toadette
  • 13- Nabbit
  • 14- Rosalina
  • 15-
  • 16-
  • 17- Donkey Kong
  • 18- Diddy Kong
  • 19- Dixie Kong
  • 20- Geno

Bosses:
  • A- Bowser
  • B- King Boo
  • C- Kamek
  • D- King Bob Omb
  • E- Wart
  • F- The Broodals
  • G- The Koopa Kids
  • H- Petey Piranha
  • I- King Boo
  • J- Bowser Jr + Shadow Mario
  • K- King K. Rool
  • L- Fawful
  • M- Captain Syrup
  • N- Prehistoric T-Rex
  • O- Wingo
  • P-
  • Q-
  • R-
  • S-
  • T-


Hordes (would consist of various forms of these enemies, with one highlighting each of the 20 worlds):
  • i- Koopa Troopa
  • ii- Goomba
  • iii- Piranha Plants
  • iv- (Chain)/ Chomp
  • v- Pokeys
  • vi- Koopa Troopa
  • vii- Wiggler
  • vii- Monty Mole
  • ix- Kremlin
  • x- Cheep Cheep
  • xi- Shy Guys
  • xii- Chain Chomp
  • xiii- Bullet Bill
  • xiv- Thwomp
  • xv- Hammer/Weapon Bros
  • xvi- Bob Omb
  • xvii- Blooper
  • xviii- Beetle/Spiky
  • xix-
  • xx-

World Themes:
  • a- Grass/Hill World
  • b- Lava World
  • c- Sky World
  • d- Underwater World
  • e- Party World
  • f- Racing World
  • g- Haunted World
  • h- Desert World
  • i- Baby/toy World
  • j- Paper World
  • k- Ice World
  • l- Space World
  • m- Sport World
  • n- Jungle World
  • o- 8-bit world
  • p- Beach World
  • q- Underground/ Cave World
  • r- CIty World
  • s- Rainbow World
  • t- Bowser's Castle

Friend Characters/to Save:
  • Honey Bee
  • Poochy
  • Sprixie's
  • Toadsworth
  • Perry
  • Cappy
  • Luma's
  • DK jr
  • Cranky Kong
  • Funky Kong
  • Stork
  • Lakitu
  • Plessie & Dorrie
  • Draggadon







Other elements:
  • Doctor Would become a class, and every character can be upgraded to become a doctor
  • All playable characters could be turned into Baby form for one world
  • One would would be playful, like a...party
  • In Bowser's Castle, all the enemies would be in the form of 'dry'
  • Items would play a big part of the game
  • Both warp pipes and paintings would be used for transit
  • Each character would have a base weapon and movement
  • But, The powerup suits would become the secondary weapons
  • Each world would visually play in a unique environmental trope
  • Friend Characters would play some sort of role

You can see how the elements of character/boss/enemy/item/stage theme, all start to get highlighted[/spoiler]
 
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Best boi's game was released 3 years ago.
Four years, technically. This seems to be celebrating Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon's anniversary. Sun and Moon proper was 4 years ago in 2016, time flies, don't it?

Also, can I just say I love the recreation of his trailer ending we've got right here?
 
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The original Hyrule Warriors had a lot of favoritism to OoT too, for some weird reason. This is prior to DLC and stuff.
Zelda is WAY different. The ones they chose for base covered a lot of the ground of all the big characters people love. Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Zant, Ghirahim Midna, Fi. A lot of the base characters were still pretty diverse. And yeah you’re right base game Hyrule Warriors focused mostly on Three games OoT, TP, and SS but the DLC went all the way from Link’s Awakening, ALBW, Majora’s Mask, even Wind Waker and the DS games.

FE had the chance to do that but they made it painfully clear that they were still going to focus on only those Three games with the DLC. When they could’ve reached out for some awesome fan service like Ike, Greil, Ashnard, Roy, Eliwood, Hector, Mark, Ephraim, Elika, and more. They just didn’t.
 
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If there's a Fire Emblem FGC in the future, I hope to God it isn't with favoritism towards Awakening - Fates - 3H.
Luckily said game likely wouldn't have the weapon triangle be too important (unless it's some sort of 3v3/2v2 game with intentionally polarizing matchups) so there would be less of an urge to pick a few and stick to it for game design reasons.
 
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What does this have to do with anything?

Besides, Melee started introducing more wacky characters with unique mechanics like the Ice Climbers functioning as a duo fighter and G&W's Judge move, well before these supposed Brawl mods.
When I say unique mechanics, I mean stuff, like Ren's (Persona) rebellion gauge, Hero's (Dragon Quest) command selection, and Terry's (King of Fighters) super special moves.
 

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So Microsoft won't be taking Bethesda games from Nintendo platforms. Obviously doesn't mean that a Bethesda rep like Doomguy or Dovahkiin's getting in, but at least we know they're still on the table for future installments.
 

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I still haven't played an FE game. So I'm pretty neutral to most FE characters. Byleth's neat, Robin's moveset is awesome, Corrin's fine as well although when it comes to gameplay there one of those characters I really hate fighting online lol.

People recommended Heroes to me as a starting point, but that game seems to be past it's prime as I don't see people talking about it much anymore. Not around this forum anymore, at least.

I still think HW could serve as an example of some things that potential newcomers could do in Smash...Namely Tetra, or Ganondorf had his movset undergone a total rework, but even then it doesn't have to be precisely based on everything they can do in Warriors.
 

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When I say unique mechanics, I mean stuff, like Ren's (Persona) rebellion gauge, Hero's (Dragon Quest) command selection, and Terry's (King of Fighters) super special moves.
I think the Popular Goku and Vegeta Brawl Mods have Actual Transformations, kind of Like Rebellion Gauge and Cloud's Limits, where you could go Super Saiyan

I also think there was a Ganondorf Mod that allowed you to Switch Movesets in Battle, Between Regular and Sword Mode

And there were alot of Mods or Abilities that were unlocked with Taunts. Brawl Minus had Falcon and Lucario Power ups that you unlock by inputing a Special Taunt Command. I also Know That one of the Popular Shadow mods unlocked Guns by Taunting, and Chaos Control worked like Wario Waft (where it builds up overtime) and it's activated with taunt

I Also think there was an Actual Cloud Mod that had Limit before Cloud offcially got into Smash

So Brawl Mods have Made great things in Mechanics, but I think Ultimate takes it a Step further in Mechanics, with it's DLC anyway
 
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Eh, it's Japan. The nation is generally way more bigoted than the West, and that could bleed over into people making DQ games besides Koichi.
Uh... I know the West is more than the USA, which is about to break out in a civil war, but we need to steer clear of this political conversation ASAP.
 
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