Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[P.Kat]

Until any kind of news breaks, the speculation cycle tends to get repetitive in-between later reveals.

Yeah it's pretty normal to just chill from speculating for a bit until you hear something major, I've been occupying myself with FFXIV, and Genshin Impact for the meantime.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I genuinely find the board more interesting for the debates and talks about Smash, various games, and Nintendo in general more than news or guesses about fighters. Not to say the latter two don't have some merit, but they're not really why I find the place appealing.

 

[PacificFun]

Honestly at this point, I'll take a complete online overhaul over those final four characters. The online in this game is still pretty pitiful to me, and Covid has made that waaay more apparent.

This is probably just must dreary self talking. Haha

Maybe this is because I've never actually gotten a character I've wanted for the pass 13 years.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Yeah it's pretty normal to just chill from speculating for a bit until you hear something major, I've been occupying myself with FFXIV, and Genshin Impact for the meantime.

Same. I've been playing games like Ori, Among Us, and Pokemon Shield to keep myself occupied.

I'm honestly more interested in hearing news about games like BotW 2, Prime 4 and Pikmin 4 than I am about the next fighter. Steve was incredibly hype for me, so I can wait a while for more Smash news.

I genuinely find the board more interesting for the debates and talks about Smash, various games, and Nintendo in general more than news or guesses about fighters. Not to say the latter two don't have some merit, but they're not really why I find the place appealing.

It's why it took me a while to return to speculation in the first place, tbh.

To say I was burnt out by the chaotic mess that was Smash 4 speculation would be an understatement lol.

 

[Lamperouge]

I'm not very confident in any of my most wanted making it in so I don't stress about speculation anymore.

I'm just in it for the ride at this point, TBH.

 

[KillerCage]

Its been a while...

Anyone else staring to care less and less about the DLC? After Steve, I've been in this sort of dazed state over Smash speculation. I'm currently taking a long break from Smashfaqs as its just talking about the same things over and over again. Maybe I won't be feeling this way in the coming months but...eh.

I think we could blame Byleth for that lack of interest.
And Covid.

 

[SharkLord]

I think we could blame Byleth for that lack of interest.
And Covid.

I think it's COVID more than anything, hampered by Min Min being delayed. Min Min was pushed back so we were stuck with a guessing game for another three months instead of getting the next fighter, and then everything else was pushed back so there was nothing to tie us over. As such, we were kinda just stuck there for a good long while.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Its been a while...

Anyone else staring to care less and less about the DLC? After Steve, I've been in this sort of dazed state over Smash speculation. I'm currently taking a long break from Smashfaqs as its just talking about the same things over and over again. Maybe I won't be feeling this way in the coming months but...eh.

I stopped caring after the first fighter pass. I was not interested in Min Min at all because I didn't like arms much not and I just straight-up didn't like Steve. I like Byleth very much but the fact that I'm losing confidence in my most wanted, I'm starting to just not care about the DLC anymore

 

[Wunderwaft]

I'm more relaxed about speculation because I accepted that we won't see anything new until next year, I'll start expecting FP8's reveal starting from January. With that said this has been the longest speculation cycle so far, which is why I'm not surprised a lot of people are feeling fatigue from it. Crazy how we still have one more year to go with four characters left.

 

[PacificFun]

I'm more relaxed about speculation because I accepted that we won't see anything new until next year, I'll start expecting FP8's reveal starting from January. With that said this has been the longest speculation cycle so far, which is why I'm not surprised a lot of people are feeling fatigue from it. Crazy how we still have one more year to go with four characters left.

I wish they just announced every character and called it a day.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I wonder what were the circumstances behind SFV’s 3rd season revealing everyone at once? Or was Capcom just like **** it we’ll show everyone just this once?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I wish they just announced every character and called it a day.

That's what I say too! But nooo, that would "ruin the surprise" for some people while those same peeps say they can't wait any longer

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

I think I still care a lot about the dlc, since I continue to discover and play games that I couldn't have before, and thus begin to support characters that I either didn't know existed or just didn't care for prior to playing their game (ie Dante, Doom Slayer, Pheonix Wright, Reimu, etc...)
In the end I never run out of favorites until the very end of the dlc and the chances of my favorites appearing increases with each game I play, win-win baby :D
Smash is just helping me become more knowledgable about gaming history and I find that so cool ^^

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Its been a while...

Anyone else staring to care less and less about the DLC? After Steve, I've been in this sort of dazed state over Smash speculation. I'm currently taking a long break from Smashfaqs as its just talking about the same things over and over again. Maybe I won't be feeling this way in the coming months but...eh.

Im not getting what i wanted so yea pretty much

 

[Perkilator]

Believe or not, I can actually see Kiryu in Smash...as an Assist Trophy.

 

[Lamperouge]

I think we could blame Byleth for that lack of interest.

Speak for yourself.

I popped off hard as **** the second I noticed that familiar cutscene from Three Houses, and Byleth was easily one of my wanted and the highlight of FP1 for me.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Believe or not, I can actually see Kiryu in Smash...as an Assist Trophy.

does he do nothing when all opponents are women.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I wonder what were the circumstances behind SFV’s 3rd season revealing everyone at once? Or was Capcom just like **** it we’ll show everyone just this once?

They probably just said **** it. It's better then showing one lousy character at a time

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Believe or not, I can actually see Kiryu in Smash...as an Assist Trophy.

Well, that’s because you’re not a fan of his franchise. For example I feel like Arle would work WAY better as an Assist than an actual character, but I’m not a Puyo Puyo fan so I can’t really see her worth like her fans can.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Still calling it. Arle is gonna get a Spirit Event or a Mii costume.

 

[Perkilator]

Well, that’s because you’re not a fan of his franchise. For example I feel like Arle would work WAY better as an Assist than an actual character, but I’m not a Puyo Puyo fan so I can’t really see her worth like her fans can.

It's not that. I just feel like, were he to be properly playable in a fighting game, he would be better suited for something like Tekken or Street Fighter.

 

[ahemtoday]

Y'know, as someone whose childhood primarily consisted of Mario, Sonic, and Mega Man games - all of which are already represented in Smash - I don't have a lot of characters I can root for full-force.

But I do remember playing Earthworm Jim a lot! So I guess I bring this up to say that I think Earthworm Jim isn't discussed enough around here. Not that I think he's likely, I just wish he was more talked about.

Oh, also, on another note, um... I looked at the EWJ support thread, and... to put it diplomatically, its owner has directly stated that they won't return to the website. Which is a bit of an awkward situation. What's the protocol for this, exactly?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think we could blame Byleth for that lack of interest.

About a month after Steve's release, some people aren't as interested in speculation
Smash Fans: "The crests are to blame!"

I'm kidding around but I really don't think Byleth has anything to do with anything at this point.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

It's not that. I just feel like, were he to be properly playable in a fighting game, he would be better suited for something like Tekken or Street Fighter.

I don’t think being “better suited”, which is incredibly subjective, is really a point that a character couldn’t work in Smash. That just seems very gatekeepy. If you don’t want the character on the roster and you’re not a fan of him then that’s fine but, since I see your a Sora fan, wouldn’t it be a little irksome if I said, “Eh, Sora would be better suited for Dissidia since he started out as a character in a Disney x FF game”?

 

[SharkLord]

Y'know, as someone whose childhood primarily consisted of Mario, Sonic, and Mega Man games - all of which are already represented in Smash - I don't have a lot of characters I can root for full-force.

But I do remember playing Earthworm Jim a lot! So I guess I bring this up to say that I think Earthworm Jim isn't discussed enough around here. Not that I think he's likely, I just wish he was more talked about.

Oh, also, on another note, um... I looked at the EWJ support thread, and... to put it diplomatically, its owner has directly stated that they won't return to the website. Which is a bit of an awkward situation. What's the protocol for this, exactly?

I think someone can take over the support thread if that happens? I'm not an expert on this, so it'd be best to consult the Newcomer Support Thread Directory.

 

[Lamperouge]

It's not that. I just feel like, were he to be properly playable in a fighting game, he would be better suited for something like Tekken or Street Fighter.

Kiryu wouldn't be better suited for the latter because Street Fighter has yet to actually include guest characters, and it doesn't seem to be breaking that trend anytime soon.

And no, characters from Final Fight and Rival Schools don't count since they're both part of the same universe.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

So many of the DLC fighters have had special or unique mechanics. Before Smash 4 and Ultimate, there have been plentiful Brawl playable character mods that feature special or unique mechanics.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And no, characters from Final Fight and Rival Schools don't count since they're both part of the same universe.

They kinda do though since they're different series. It's like how one could consider King of Fighters to be a mascot fighter since characters come from various different series even though they're all canonical to each other.

 

[kirbsmash]

Okay, people overreacts to characters way too much. geez, you can hate an character yet be happy for their fans.

 

[PacificFun]

About a month after Steve's release, some people aren't as interested in speculation
Smash Fans: "The crests are to blame!"

I'm kidding around but I really don't think Byleth has anything to do with anything at this point.

Byleth was a tone death reveal and did hurt Smash's "image" for a bit (at least to me). But with Steve, that whole thing has been sort of swept under the rug.

With how long it took for their reveal to come, the lack of substantial Nintendo 2020 news, them being another FE character, the reasoning they were picked and also being the final character at one point...yeah, they were destined to get hated on.

Nintendo can be really dumb sometimes.

 

[Lamperouge]

So many of the DLC fighters have had special or unique mechanics. Before Smash 4 and Ultimate, there have been plentiful Brawl playable character mods that feature special or unique mechanics.

What does this have to do with anything?

Besides, Melee started introducing more wacky characters with unique mechanics like the Ice Climbers functioning as a duo fighter and G&W's Judge move, well before these supposed Brawl mods.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Honestly there's probably a decent amount of factors that have made this period of Ultimate speculation a bit more brurtal, other than just underwhelming characters

• COVID grinding alotta stuff to a halt, and just making this year a gloom and a bit frightening in general
• The need to switch to online play thanks to the aforementioned virus not really going smoothly with how... Ahem "well" Ultimate's netcode works
• The recent revelations regarding notable people in the competitive community definitely tarnishing things a bit.
• And 2020 just being 2020

I'm not saying supposedly underwhelming reveals like Byleth aren't to blame at all, but it doesn't seem right to put it solely on them. This year's been something else.

 

[Megadoomer]

Y'know, as someone whose childhood primarily consisted of Mario, Sonic, and Mega Man games - all of which are already represented in Smash - I don't have a lot of characters I can root for full-force.

But I do remember playing Earthworm Jim a lot! So I guess I bring this up to say that I think Earthworm Jim isn't discussed enough around here. Not that I think he's likely, I just wish he was more talked about.

Oh, also, on another note, um... I looked at the EWJ support thread, and... to put it diplomatically, its owner has directly stated that they won't return to the website. Which is a bit of an awkward situation. What's the protocol for this, exactly?

Generally speaking, if the thread starter is inactive (ex. they haven't been around for years) or has left/deleted their account, if someone else wants to take over the thread and they have a post from before the thread started, they can take charge. (them having a post from before the thread started is important, since we move that post into the thread so it becomes the new intro post)

Earthworm Jim would be neat, though. I've only played the first game (and a bit of Clayfighter 63 1/3), but at the very least, he'd be entertaining to watch.

 

[Dinoman96]

Earthworm Jim's creator is a known massive bigot. So no thanks to Jim being in Smash.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Earthworm Jim's creator is a known massive bigot. So no thanks to Jim being in Smash.

Dragon Quest's composer is a known massive bigot. So no thanks to DQ representation in Smash.

 

[Lamperouge]

They kinda do though since they're different series. It's like how one could consider King of Fighters to be a mascot fighter since characters come from various different series even though they're all canonical to each other.

I mean, technically? But they're all owned by the same company and Street Fighter characters appear in both series, further strengthening their connections.

I was more so talking about characters owned by other companies that are completely unrelated.

 

[Dinoman96]

Dragon Quest's composer is a known massive bigot. So no thanks to DQ representation in Smash.

I mean yeah, it sucks Sugiyama has to be involved, but at least he's just the composer (who unfortunately owns the music), and most of the actual creative brains of the series like Yuji Horii seem to be decent people.

Meanwhile Doug TenNapel is the brains behind Earthworm Jim and he's an known asshole, so yeah.

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

Its been a while...

Anyone else staring to care less and less about the DLC? After Steve, I've been in this sort of dazed state over Smash speculation. I'm currently taking a long break from Smashfaqs as its just talking about the same things over and over again. Maybe I won't be feeling this way in the coming months but...eh.

My enthusiasm for DLC was nerfed by Min-Min due to the spirit case being outright unacknowledged, but Steve somehow made everything way worse. I don't even know exactly why... I believe it ties itself to my general disinterest in the guest influx, but whether it's specifically the fear that they won't add characters from existing franchises anymore, or the fear that Steve in all his squareness won't be the most jagged of the DLC this pass, I can't be certain.

I guess my limit for the vision of this franchise is to blame, but I stand by my belief that Smash should not be finished with the franchises it already has. Smash has been reaching too high with its inclusions, ignoring improving anything else it included prior. This was also true for Smash 4, but without the promise of something like a ballot, the chances of reliving something once standard seem bleak. And the worst part is, none of this is new. But this is what waiting for uncertainties does.

I may have to move away from speculation in future depending on how circumstances go. But for now, I'm still somehow here.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I mean yeah, it sucks Sugiyama has to be involved, but at least he's just the composer (who unfortunately owns the music), and most of the actual creative brains of the series like Yuji Horii seem to be decent people.

Meanwhile Doug TenNapel is the brains behind Earthworm Jim and he's an known asshole, so yeah.

It's still supporting people you don't like. In fact, in the case of Sugiyama, he was paid quite a lot for his 8 tracks. So much so that the agreement that they had come to would have been nonviable for the base game. I don't think Earthworm Jim being added would be any worse unless it would require adding the bigotry into Super Smash Bros. itself, and I kinda doubt that would be the case.

 

[Guynamednelson]

and most of the actual creative brains of the series like Yuji Horii seem to be decent people.

Eh, it's Japan. The nation is generally way more bigoted than the West, and that could bleed over into people making DQ games besides Koichi.