Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[RileyXY1]

Eh...I'm not entirely certain that that would be a requirement rather than a coincidence. I'd imagine if it was a requirement and they didn't want a SquareEnix character that they'd just not bring the costumes back.

I believe that they intend to bring back all Smash 4 3rd party Mii Fighter costumes.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I know they’ve made some blunders in the past, but wow... THQ Nordic tells VGC that a “TimeSplitters 2 Remake” item placed in its latest release was a joke (I don’t think fans will be laughing)https://t.co/lIjvkcx32i

— Andy Robinson (@Andy_VGC) November 16, 2020

So this is how Evil Trapezium became evil in the first place

Eh...I'm not entirely certain that that would be a requirement rather than a coincidence. I'd imagine if it was a requirement and they didn't want a SquareEnix character that they'd just not bring the costumes back.


Herlock Sholmes or changing the letters of a copyright character to dodge copyright while still using the character?

The name Herlock Sholmes being used to bypass copyright. AA doing it is like the 5th time I've seen it

 

[pupNapoleon]

I believe that they intend to bring back all Smash 4 3rd party Mii Fighter costumes.

This would imply that a FP2 was always planned. (Right or wrong, not stating, just pointing out).

 

[metalhydra273]

This would imply that a FP2 was always planned. (Right or wrong, not stating, just pointing out).

They could've just delayed the mii costumes for the fighters pass. Consider that Steve was in the works since Smash 4.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So this is how Evil Trapezium became evil in the first place

This is probably just optimism, but I kind of wonder if this was them being like "We're bringing back Timesplitters! Just kidding haha. Unless?".

If not though that's just like...why would you do that?

 

[cashregister9]

I know they’ve made some blunders in the past, but wow... THQ Nordic tells VGC that a “TimeSplitters 2 Remake” item placed in its latest release was a joke (I don’t think fans will be laughing)https://t.co/lIjvkcx32i

— Andy Robinson (@Andy_VGC) November 16, 2020

So this is how Evil Trapezium became evil in the first place

The name Herlock Sholmes being used to bypass copyright. AA doing it is like the 5th time I've seen it

I think the first use of Herlock Sholmes is the book "Arsene Lupin vs. Herlock Sholmes"

Arsene is already in smash so I guess that means Herlock sholmes from the translated verison of Great Ace Attorney is confirmed

 

[pupNapoleon]

They could've just delayed the mii costumes for the fighters pass. Consider that Steve was in the works since Smash 4.

Technically possible, but that would have been an entire fighters pass of Mii Costumes that got delayed.

UNRELATED:

Does that Ace Attorney game seriously include the first three games and the duology? I only just bought the AA trilogy on the Switch- that's a huge slap in my face.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think the first use of Herlock Sholmes is the book "Arsene Lupin vs. Herlock Sholmes"

Arsene is already in smash so I guess that means Herlock sholmes from the translated verison of Great Ace Attorney is confirmed

Yeah that was the first instance because Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was pissed at Maurice Leblanc for using Sherlock Holmes to which Leblanc pulled a sneaky to bypass copyright. It's even the reason Arsene's codename is Doyle

 

[cashregister9]

Does that Ace Attorney game seriously include the first three games and the duology? I only just bought the AA trilogy on the Switch- that's a huge slap in my face.

In this leak it had a physical collection of the trilogy and the duology as separate games in one box so they will probably just put the duology on the e-shop separately.

 

[XorahnGaia]

For information, the Ace attorney trilogy Outperformed the sales goals by 150% in the first month. I always knew that Ace attorney would be back sooner or later. The trilogy was released last year, I don't get why people where acting like the franchise was dead.

From what I've seen, a lot of people just thought that, since Capcom was focusing their effort on AAA games on PS/Xbox while kinda giving the cold shoulder to the Switch with old overpriced ports, they weren't going to invest much of their efforts in a small series that has mostly been Nintendo exclusive outside of some IOS ports and the trilogy being a multiplatform release.

Of course there were also some people that thought "4 years without a new title==dead series" and I even saw some arguing that the fact that some fans didn't like the newer games as much as the original trilogy meant that the series was past prime and thus "on the verge of death" or something. And I understand that this was mostly used in tandem with the other points... but literally any videogame series on the planet has a select few fans that say "the X series has been dead for me since Y title". It just isn't a point you can make in good faith when trying to argue if a series is dead or not.

The bottom line is Capcom's silence on the series kinda fueled these points and people just ran with it because AA fans didn't want to get their hopes up after being let down by any Capcom event that didn't feature a reveal of AA7 and non-fans being dismissive/not caring enough about the series to actually understand its situation.

 

[Garteam]

Is Sherlock Holmes really not in the public domain? I know it's only a little over 100 years old, but I always figured it was fair game given its significance to popular culture.

Either way, thank you, Disney lawyers, for making the lives of everyone else infinitely more difficult.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Is Sherlock Holmes really not in the public domain? I know it's only a little over 100 years old, but I always figured it was fair game given its significance to popular culture.

Either way, thank you, Disney lawyers, for making the lives of everyone else infinitely more difficult.

From what I've seen, yes and no. The older books are in the public domain, but not the later ones. And if you think Disney is stubborn with their copyright, then you should see what the Doyle Estate has done...

 

[Megadoomer]

Is Sherlock Holmes really not in the public domain? I know it's only a little over 100 years old, but I always figured it was fair game given its significance to popular culture.

Either way, thank you, Disney lawyers, for making the lives of everyone else infinitely more difficult.

It's an unusual situation - the early stories are in the public domain, but the last ten Sherlock Holmes stories won't be until 2022 or 2023.

Sherlock Holmes is public property … but steer clear of Watson's second wife

US court rules most of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's detective canon is in public domain but details from stories published after 1923 remain off limits

www.theguardian.com

As a result, certain events or developments can't legally be referenced, since they only appeared in those stories.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is Sherlock Holmes really not in the public domain? I know it's only a little over 100 years old, but I always figured it was fair game given its significance to popular culture.

Either way, thank you, Disney lawyers, for making the lives of everyone else infinitely more difficult.

Some stories are while others aren't, I believe that the public domain stuff goes up until 1923.

 

[ahemtoday]

Herlock Sholmes is gonna be a bit wild to get used to after the fan translation. But then again, I don't think this would've been the translators' first choice, anyhow. It's just sort of an unfortunate situation all around, ain't it?

...Then again, Herlock Sholmes does kinda fit right in in an Ace Attorney game. And it's a reference to Arsene Lupin, too! Maybe this won't be all bad.

 

[PeridotGX]

The leak hasn't finished yet. There's only been 60 GB found out of 1 TB.

940 gb of heated chill penguin smash talks

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Is Sherlock Holmes really not in the public domain? I know it's only a little over 100 years old, but I always figured it was fair game given its significance to popular culture.

Either way, thank you, Disney lawyers, for making the lives of everyone else infinitely more difficult.

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if this law was never extended. I'd imagine it'd be pretty wild if fangames were 100% legal for older franchises.

Perhaps certain publishers/developers would need some sort of equivalent to social media's verification checkmark to make sure that the brands aren't slogged by parodies and spin-offs and the like.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Considering that the 1TB leak probably includes corporate emails and communication, there very likely are some stuff in them regarding Smash since Capcom got new content in Ultimate. With that said, the thing I'm most interested about is if Mega Man Legends 3 stuff will be leaked as well. We still haven't gotten a proper explanation for why they suddenly canned Legends 3. And no, "fans didn't ask for it hard enough" is not a legitimate excuse when you're midway through developing the game. If there is one game that Capcom fans want to see it's source code leaked I guarantee you it's the Legends 3 prototype and not DMC2.

 

[RileyXY1]

I also expect a January reveal for CP8, unless the character is announced at TGA.

 

[kirbsmash]

As oppose to how.... majority of the other reflects work in the air?

Mario's cape helps with guiding him down a bit, thus helping with his up special. That, and to stall himself. Even so, it just look too out of place to be an down special. SMAASH! Puppy does help a little but even so, give Mario a more fitting move for a down special, something more usable and less awkward, y'know?

 

[Aerospherology]

Considering that the 1TB leak probably includes corporate emails and communication, there very likely are some stuff in them regarding Smash since Capcom got new content in Ultimate. With that said, the thing I'm most interested about is if Mega Man Legends 3 stuff will be leaked as well. We still haven't gotten a proper explanation for why they suddenly canned Legends 3. And no, "fans didn't ask for it hard enough" is not a legitimate excuse when you're midway through developing the game. If there is one game that Capcom fans want to see it's source code leaked I guarantee you it's the Legends 3 prototype and not DMC2.

If there's nothing about Smash in there, that will be extremely suspicious.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I'd imagine loads of Smash clickbaiters are thanking their lucky stars for the Capcom leak potentially giving all sorts of fuel to whatever whacky theories they can come up with about possible upcoming fighters.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Should we expect the rest of this Capcom info to be leaked? If so we could see one of the upcoming fighters potentially leaked given these are all upcoming plans by Capcom.

 

[cashregister9]

I agree that if there is any Smash info from this leak it will be from emails. but on the other Hand I am pretty sure they probably keep smash discussions under heavy lock and key so it would not shock me if discussions between Capcom, Bandai Namco and Nintendo are all on a separate server than the one that one stolen or something like that. Or there is just no Capcom character in this pass.

Should we expect the rest of this Capcom info to be leaked? If so we could see one of the upcoming fighters potentially leaked given these are all upcoming plans by Capcom.

The leaker has it under ransom and wants several million bitcoin for it and has been slowly leaking stuff. so it all depends on if Capcom pays the ransom (assuming the leaker is playing fair which eh.) or law enforcement catches the leaker

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Should we expect the rest of this Capcom info to be leaked? If so we could see one of the upcoming fighters potentially leaked given these are all upcoming plans by Capcom.

Yes. Sounds pretty not OK with the emails and stuff, but that isn't really going to stop the internet.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Would the Capcom leak include non playable cameos in Smash? I for sure expect the RE Spirit Event and the Mii Costumes from Capcom we’ve seen so far to be mentioned, maybe a few costumes/events we have yet to see as well

 

[PeridotGX]

Considering that the 1TB leak probably includes corporate emails and communication, there very likely are some stuff in them regarding Smash since Capcom got new content in Ultimate. With that said, the thing I'm most interested about is if Mega Man Legends 3 stuff will be leaked as well. We still haven't gotten a proper explanation for why they suddenly canned Legends 3. And no, "fans didn't ask for it hard enough" is not a legitimate excuse when you're midway through developing the game. If there is one game that Capcom fans want to see it's source code leaked I guarantee you it's the Legends 3 prototype and not DMC2.

but dee em see 2 is da best! bayonetya tu es bad, and donte is best in gaem.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Smash or no Smash content, this is the best juicy news we've got as of late. Still pulling for a potential revival/reboot/sequel for Darkstalkers or at the least a remaster and bundle of the first three games.

It doesn't get the love it deserves.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Should we expect the rest of this Capcom info to be leaked?

Maybe and maybe not. Capcom is in contact with authorities and they're trying to stop the ransomware group from escalating things further and leaking more damaging things. Said group most likely only dropped 60GBs instead of the full 1TB as a warning to Capcom because they didn't pay the $10 million ransom they asked for. We probably won't see anymore of the huge leak unless negotiations break down again.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I’m tellin ya

leak or no leak I want to see the end result of that legendary twitter exchange:

Kamiya: yo Sak where’s Joe
Sakurai: uh, about that...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Maybe and maybe not. Capcom is in contact with authorities and they're trying to stop the ransomware group from escalating things further and leaking more damaging things. Said group most likely only dropped 60GBs instead of the full 1TB as a warning to Capcom because they didn't pay the $10 million ransom they asked for. We probably won't see anymore of the huge leak unless negotiations break down again.

Ah so it's an ongoing criminal activity rather than something that's already been done and people are just sifting through. In which case I hope they are brought to justice before people's emails get leaked.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

If its anything like the Nintendo leak, its entirely possible that much of the data has already been sent to numerous places and will get released intermittently from various sources.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I’m tellin ya

leak or no leak I want to see the end result of that legendary twitter exchange:

Kamiya: yo Sak where’s Joe
Sakurai: uh, about that...

Sakurai: We put Dante instead
Kamiya:

 

[Speed Weed]

Honestly, I don't think it's that bad, Namco owns the game rights to just about every Shonen Jump property except Yu-Gi-Oh, Dragon Quest: Dai's Adventure, and Shaman King, and those first two only require negotiations with Square Enix and Konami.

Shaman King is probably a lost cause, though.

yeah shaman king is different from the other two in that while they only don't have the video game rights for yu-gi-oh and dai no daiboken, shaman king is straight-up not a shonen jump property at all anymore which means it's especially ****ed

 

[Guynamednelson]

but dee em see 2 is da best! bayonetya tu es bad, and donte is best in gaem.

booti i got da dee em cee too sorse

now i mod it and make it really da best game

pls play mai dee em cee too mods

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

but it's pretty much confirmed that the Great Ace Attorney will be localized for the West

lets ****ing goooooooo

 

[SNEKeater]

One thing, we don't even know if the 1TB of info the hackers stole contains absolutely everything from Capcom. I'm not really an expert on these things but I'd say I'd be surprised if everything about Capcom is just 1TB.

Saying this because who knows, maybe the hackers will upload everything they got and maybe we won't find anything about Resident Evil 9, to mention one example, and no one needs confirmation that there's going to be a RE9. Same goes for Street Fighter 6.

So even if they reach the point of putting on the internet everything they stole from Capcom's servers, I don't think it means they necessarily got info on Smash, assuming Capcom got another character in Pass 2.

The leaker has it under ransom and wants several million bitcoin for it and has been slowly leaking stuff. so it all depends on if Capcom pays the ransom (assuming the leaker is playing fair which eh.) or law enforcement catches the leaker

It doesn't look like Capcom is gonna pay anything. Not surprising, if they didn't pay before I doubt they're going to do it now that the hackers have already shared part of what they stole.

Update Regarding Data Security Incident Due to Unauthorized Access | Press Release | CAPCOM

株式会社カプコンは、第三者からのオーダーメイド型ランサムウェアによる不正アクセス攻撃を受け、当社グループが保有する個人情報流出の発生を確認いたしました。 また、この攻撃により、当社が保有している個人情報・企業情報が流出した可能性があることを確認しましたので、併せてお知らせいたします。

www.capcom.co.jp

Capcom Co., Ltd. (Capcom) announced that it has been the victim of a customized ransomware attack following unauthorized access to its network and has verified that some personal information maintained by the Capcom Group has been compromised.

Further, the company also stated that it has confirmed the possibility that additional personal and corporate information may have been compromised in this attack, which is listed in "2. Potentially compromised data" below. At present, its content development and business are operating without impediment.

Capcom offers its sincerest apologies for any complications and concerns that this may bring to its potentially impacted customers as well as to its many stakeholders.

As there is an ongoing investigation in place, it is possible that new facts may come to light going forward. Below is a general summary of what has been confirmed at this point in time (as of November 16, 2020).

Rest of the text in spoiler

Spoiler

1. Information verified to have been compromised

i. Personal information: 9 items

• Personal information of former employees: 5 items
  (Name & signature: 2 items; name & address: 1 item; passport information: 2 items)
• Personal information of employees: 4 items
  (Name and HR information: 3 items; name & signature: 1 item)

ii. Other information

• Sales reports
• Financial information

2. Potentially compromised data

i. Personal information (customers, business partners, etc.): maximum of approx. 350,000 items

• Japan: Customer service video game support help desk information (approx.134,000 items)
  Names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses
• North America: Capcom Store member information (approx. 14,000 items)
  Names, birthdates, email addresses
• North America: Esports operations website members (approx. 4,000 items)
  Names, email addresses, gender information
• List of shareholders (approx. 40,000 items)
  Names, addresses, shareholder numbers, amount of shareholdings
• Former employees' (including family) information (approx. 28,000 people);
  applicants' information (approx. 125,000 people)
  Names, birthdates, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, photos, etc.

ii. Personal information (employees and related parties)

• Human resources information (approx. 14,000 people)

iii. Confidential corporate information

• Sales data, business partner information, sales documents, development documents, etc.

None of the at-risk data contains credit card information. All online transactions etc. are handled by a third-party service provider, and as such Capcom does not maintain any such information internally.

Because the overall number of potentially compromised data cannot specifically be ascertained due to issues including some logs having been lost as a result of the attack, Capcom has listed the maximum number of items it has determined to potentially have been affected at the present time.

3. Support for individuals whose personal information has been confirmed to have been compromised and those whose information has potentially been compromised

i. Action addressing personal or corporate information confirmed to have been compromised
Capcom has begun contacting individuals whose information it has verified to have been compromised to explain the background of this incident and current situation.
ii. Action addressing potentially compromised personal information
Capcom is continuing the investigation into information that has potentially been taken or compromised.
For individuals who wish to inquire about personal information that has potentially been compromised, please contact the following support desks in your country or region:

Japan: Capcom Data Security Incident Support Line (Japanese only)
Tel. (toll-free):	Game customer inquiries	0120-400161
General inquiries	0120-896680
Hours: 10:00 AM - 08:00 PM
North America: Capcom USA Customer Support Page www.capcom.com/support
EMEA: Capcom Europe Customer Support feedback@capcom.com

4. Detection and action taken

i.

• In the early morning hours of November 2, 2020 after detecting connectivity issues with its internal network, Capcom shut down its systems and began investigating the situation.
• Capcom confirmed that this was a targeted attack against the company using ransomware, which destroyed and encrypted data on its servers.
• The company discovered a message from a criminal organization that calls itself Ragnar Locker, and after ascertaining that ransom money was being demanded, contacted the Osaka Prefectural Police.
• On November 4, 2020 the company issued the following press release: "Notice Regarding Network Issues due to Unauthorized Access."
• On November 12, 2020, Capcom verified that nine items of personal information and some corporate information had been compromised.
• In addition to these confirmed nine items, the company continued its investigation into the scope of potentially compromised information, making a public disclosure of this on November 16, 2020 (this release).

Investigation and analysis, etc., of this incident took additional time due to issues such as the information saved on servers being encrypted and access logs being deleted in the attack.
ii. At this point, Capcom has reported the occurrence of network issues to the supervisory authority under GDPR (ICO in the United Kingdom), and the Personal Information Protection Commission (Japan).

iii. The company implemented protective software, shut down all suspicious transmissions, and carried out reconstruction of the servers. It is carrying out an ongoing investigation into the information that had been saved in each of its departments based on the servers it has recovered.

iv. The company has already commissioned a third-party security company to inspect system issues stemming from this incident. Capcom plans to announce the results of this inspection separately, when available.

v. Further, the company has arranged a structure of reporting and consultation with a major software company, a major security specialist vendor and law offices with extensive knowledge of system security.

Capcom will continue its investigation, beginning with contacting those individuals and other stakeholders whose information it has verified as having been compromised, while continuing to look into what other information was potentially taken.

Investigation and analysis of this incident took additional time due to the targeted nature of this attack, which was carried out using what could be called tailor-made ransomware, as was covered in some media reports, aimed specifically at the company to maliciously encrypt the information saved on its servers and delete its access logs. Capcom regrets that this report could not be made sooner than today. The company asks that everyone potentially affected by this incident practice an abundance of caution, looking out for any suspicious packages received by mail or messages that could potentially be received.

5. Measures going forward

i. Capcom will continue coordinating with law enforcement authorities in Japan and the U.S., and also give timely reports to and receive advice from the institutions responsible for the protection of personal information in each country.

ii. As stated above, the company is coordinating with parties such as a major IT security specialist company to work toward understanding the overall damage caused by the attack and preventing any reoccurrence.

iii. Capcom is in discussions with external security experts. It plans to newly establish an advisory board regarding system security working towards preventing any reoccurrence.

Additionally, it is safe for Capcom customers or others to connect to play the company's games online and access its websites.

Presently, while the company believes that any effect from this incident on the Capcom Group's consolidated business results (for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2021) will be negligible, the company will swiftly make an announcement in the case that any further disclosure is necessary.

Capcom would once again like to reiterate its deepest apologies for any complications or concerns caused by this incident. As a company that handles digital content, it is regarding this incident with the utmost seriousness. In order to prevent the reoccurrence of such an event, it will endeavor to further strengthen its management structure while pursing legal options regarding criminal acts such as unauthorized access of its networks.

 

[GoodGrief741]

The Capcom leak contains information about their deals with Google and Sony to have their games on Stadia and get exclusive demos, respectively, even down to how much money they paid. So if there's more to come in Smash, I'm pretty sure it'd be leaked, and if not we would probably still learn a bit about how Ken, Rathalos, and the RE Spirits came to be. This might turn out to be really insightful.

Anyway carry on, I'm off to celebrate that Great Ace Attorney is getting localized holy ****

 

[StarBot]

Ngl, if I ever get the chance to change the newcomer in Smash 4 I would at least replace Corrin with Azura, I really like her a lot and from her gameplay in Warriors and having a good singing voice that could be utilize as an attack, she could have her moveset be graceful and cautious which is what Corrin has now but doesn't really fit them in my opinion. Plus she suffer the same fate as Corrin and is THE main character with an added bonus of compelling personality.

"I feel like they should add this side character to Smash!"

"Oh sure, I like that character, but why, may I ask?"

"Because of Warrio-"

I really hate how those Warriors games have rotten Nintendo fan's brains. Not only they are not a good reputation on what that character can actually do in their home games. But I just fell so lazy to go "do thing but in Smash"

 

[RileyXY1]

Corrin is a great character, trust me, I use him quite a bit.