Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[cashregister9]

I feel like Feb is a little 'too' pessimistic tbh.


Like, January 21st will be exactly 100 days since Steve came out, and the longest gap between fighters was Min Min to Steve at 101 days.

You never now when Nintendo might pull a Nintendo. But I do agree that February might be a bit far fetched.

 

[Shroob]

I don't see why it is pessimistic, considering how the devs will (likely) be taking the usual holidy break and (to a lesser extent) that COVID's recently had a spike in cases.

Mainly because the character's probably been worked on alongside Steve. We know that they don't work on 1 character at a time, and I seriously doubt that this character is as complex as Steve, which needed basically the entire game remade around him.

The COVID spikes are also a bit meaningless, since everyone's already working from home, and Japan is, afaik, keeping COVID pretty well taken care of, unlike here in the US.

 

[Cosmic77]

*One month after getting a new character.

 

[Shroob]

*One month after getting a new character.

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Smash fans without a dose of news getting a direct injection into their veins after a few weeks

 

[SharkLord]

****ing RIP mate.

To be fair, Mothra got blasted to bits by Ghidorah last year. Reincarnation takes time.

 

[kirbsmash]

hey guys rember that time we thought that duck hunt in smash was fake?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

hey guys rember that time we thought that duck hunt in smash was fake?

Remember when we thought Shulk was a photoshopped little mac?

 

[Guynamednelson]

hey guys rember that time we thought that duck hunt in smash was fake?

"The Duck Hunt pic they used was in an eshop promo this one time that mysteriously vanished from the internet! No wait it's Pluto!"

Every time.

 

[Garteam]

hey guys rember that time we thought that duck hunt in smash was fake?

Honestly, it's kinda crazy how much has changed since Smash for's base game speculation. It's weird remembering a time when people thought 50 characters was an unreasonable expectation, Ridley was extremely controversial, Geno barely had any presence, people thought Fire Emblem was somewhat under-repped, no one really knew what to make of the idea of DLC for Super Smash Bros, Fighting game characters were assumed to be off the table and third parties were rare treats that only would only consist of gaming's biggest stars and would follow a strict "one rep per company" rule.

It's kinda odd how six years ago simultaneously feels like yesterday and a lifetime ago. Even reflecting on the fact Smash for Wii U and 3DS are six years old makes me feel like an old man.

 

[SharkLord]

Honestly, it's kinda crazy how much has changed since Smash for's base game speculation. It's weird remembering a time when people thought 50 characters was an unreasonable expectation, Ridley was extremely controversial, Geno barely had any presence, people thought Fire Emblem was somewhat under-repped, no one really knew what to make of the idea of DLC for Super Smash Bros, Fighting game characters were assumed to be off the table and third parties were rare treats that only would only consist of gaming's biggest stars and would follow a strict "one rep per company" rule.

It's kinda odd how six years ago simultaneously feels like yesterday and a lifetime ago. Even reflecting on the fact Smash for Wii U and 3DS are six years old makes me feel like an old man.

Imagine going back in time and telling Smash 4 speculators that in about 6-8 years they'll be seriously considering Adol Christin and occasionally bringing up stuff like (checks notes) Arknights just because they can.

 

[Spongeboob]

Out of curiosity, when was it when people started complaining about how Fire Emblem was overrepresented? I'm not trying to say "Fire Emblem bad" or "Mario does it too" or anything like that. (Personally, IDGAF about "reps", but I know not everyone feels that way.)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

ut of curiosity, when was it when people started complaining about how Fire Emblem was overrepresented?

People started to think it was a little weird when Smash 4 gave us Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina, but those complaints were minimal because most people agreed Marth, Ike and Robin were justified and Lucina was a last minute clone (plus she's really popular).

People started to get slightly miffed when Roy came back, but it wasn't too bad because Roy was a beloved veteran.

Then Corrin showed up and people threw a fit.

It's always been there, but Corrin is where the sentiment really started to get bad.

Somehow Chrom avoided most of those complaints. Perhaps it was because people genuinely knew and liked Chrom or perhaps it was because Chrom was "just an echo."

Regardless, Byleth is one of the more fun newcomers in Ultimate and their sins are not their own.

 

[Shroob]

People started to think it was a little weird when Smash 4 gave us Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina, but those complaints were minimal because most people agreed Marth, Ike and Robin were justified and Lucina was a last minute clone (plus she's really popular).

People started to get slightly miffed when Roy came back, but it wasn't too bad because Roy was a beloved veteran.

Then Corrin showed up and people threw a fit.

It's always been there, but Corrin is where the sentiment really started to get bad.

Somehow Chrom avoided most of those complaints. Perhaps it was because people genuinely knew and liked Chrom or perhaps it was because Chrom was "just an echo."

Regardless, Byleth is one of the more fun newcomers in Ultimate and their sins are not their own.

100% Corrin.


Fates was already being VERY controversial of a game in the West due to certain scenes and implications of the plot, and the fact that:

A) Fates wasn't even out in the West
B) This was "THE" Final presentation
C) Bayo left a sour taste in die hard ballot stan's mouthes


All 3 kinda meshed together.

 

[metalhydra273]

I still dislike the Corrin inclusion, but hindsight is 2020, and we've had 3 FE characters who were included in smash soon after their games came out or before they came out. 2 for 3 is ok I guess

 

[Commander_Alph]

It really sad to think that Corrin is the gasoline that started the scorching fire that is "Fire Emblem bad" bandwagon, I really like her moves and mechanic and most of her animation is really smooth and being the first half dragon character makes me happy that we got the representation of one the race that isn't human in Fire Emblem. But everything got thrown out of the window as it's just a cheap advertisement which even by being advertise the game got a poor reception and Corrin feels pretty bland in terms among the character in the cast.

It should have been Tiki that got in instead of Corrin to ease up the advertisement complain and variety as she didn't wield a sword but a magical crystal, although I don't want to blame Roy for being a returning veteran that get people skeptical at first on the whole over representation of the series.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I feel kind of bad for Corrin because they're actually really cool in everything they're in... besides Fates.

Smash
Heroes
Warriors

They're pretty baller in all of those.

 

[osby]

I feel kind of bad for Corrin because they're actually really cool in everything they're in... besides Fates.

Smash
Heroes
Warriors

They're pretty baller in all of those.

Corrin's dragon transformations are pretty metal so it's a shame how everyone writes them off because of "sword bad".

 

[Commander_Alph]

Ngl, if I ever get the chance to change the newcomer in Smash 4 I would at least replace Corrin with Azura, I really like her a lot and from her gameplay in Warriors and having a good singing voice that could be utilize as an attack, she could have her moveset be graceful and cautious which is what Corrin has now but doesn't really fit them in my opinion. Plus she suffer the same fate as Corrin and is THE main character with an added bonus of compelling personality.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Corrin and is THE main character

Corrin is the main character as the game centers around their story.

No amount of plot importance can deny the fact that its Corrin's story being told.

an added bonus of compelling personality.

Uh...

Dunno about that last part chief.

Azura's personality is about as interesting as Corrin's.

Heck I kinda prefer Corrin's personality tbh.

 

[Commander_Alph]

I mean at least Azura one up herself than Corrin, and also I don't meant to be boastful when it comes to her personality but in terms of gameplay having Corrin waltzing in the air seems unfitting and better off be given to Azura.

Don't get me wrong I like Corrin's animation but it would be more perfect if it's given to another character, not specifically Azura but someone soft and graceful, I mean Corrin's voice line sounded like they're trying to be aggressive but at the same time not fitting for his movement.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Regardless, Byleth is one of the more fun newcomers in Ultimate and their sins are not their own.

Not so sure about that one cuz. Love the character but their gameplay is a big ole oof in my opinion.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

but in terms of gameplay having Corrin waltzing in the air seems unfitting and better off be given to Azura.

I dunno. Corrin does lots of spins and flips in their attack animations in Fates. I think its pretty spot on honestly.

Not so sure about that one cuz. Love the character but their gameplay is a big ole oof in my opinion.

NSG. I love you, but how can you not like breaking shields with literally everything?

 

[Goombaic]

Byleth can't deck people with gauntlets and doesn't have a counter so their moveset is worthless.
Seriously though, no Divine Pulse or gambit final smash is weird.

 

[Deleted member]

Corrin is fine and all but Azura would unequivocally have a more interesting moveset in the context of Smash. A waterbending, lance wielding songstress brings a lot more to the table than Corrin, whose most interesting aspect mostly boils down to using a spear anyway.

 

[I.D.]

So what's the Likelihood we get Another RPG Character this Pass?

"What's the likelihood we get an RPG Character this pass that isn't Pokemon or Fire Emblem?" is the real question

 

[Mamboo07]

If I had to pick a first party rep instead of Corrin in Smash 4, I would go with Bandana Dee.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Corrin is fine and all but Azura would unequivocally have a more interesting moveset in the context of Smash. A waterbending, lance wielding songstress brings a lot more to the table than Corrin, whose most interesting aspect mostly boils down to using a spear anyway.

Corrin's moveset isn't the issue with Corrin- at least from my perspective, it is the most different of the Fire Emblem characters (or perhaps, second to Robin). The issue with Corrin was entirely the marketing, from her being the last character, to being a forced pick.

But hold on a second- did I miss why it was absolutely crucial to have additional ARPG characters? We don't even have a unique puzzle character who uses puzzle mechanics. We have one FPS. Hell, there are only 3.5 fighting game characters in the fighting-platformer game. I fail to see why we need yet another sub genre before we hit some of these bigger pillars. Where is our horror genre? Why is yet another RPG character so damned important?


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If we are playing the 'character I'd have put instead of Corrin,' I'd choose Chibi Robo. At the time, that was actually the game series that had a recent game and needed to be promoted. He had an amiibo. He really needed the exposure. He was a unique character. Also, he'd have been fun. It would have been nice for Nintendo to have done this.

 

[---]

Azura would be interesting, especially in terms of animation, though that could also be the 2011 Caeda supporter in me talking. Hopefully someone gets around to making a FE fighting game someday.

Corrin is the main character as the game centers around their story.

No amount of plot importance can deny the fact that its Corrin's story being told.

Must resist making joke about Fates' plot...

 

[DarthEnderX]

Isn't modern Final Fantasy the textbook example of an action RPG?

Not really. FF15 and FF7R are straight up Character Action Games at this point. They're about as RPG as DMC at this point.

Yeah, RPGs are defined by the mechanics. From what I can gather, RPGs are based on any combination of the following mechanics:

• Level-ups and experience points
• Various different stats
• Combat defined by the stats, with varying levels of RNG
• Equippable items that alter your stats
• Moves that require a meter of some sort to use

Straight up describing the most recent God of War game here...

 

[Idon]

Not really. FF15 and FF7R are straight up Character Action Games at this point. They're about as RPG as DMC at this point.

What? No they're absolutely not. One of the defining traits of a character action game is doing freeform combos with few limitations. 15 and 7R still focus on strategizing amongst party members and managing resources. How they're as "RPG as DMC" is beyond me beyond the fact battles aren't taking place one turn at a time, thus the name "Action RPG."

I will say though that Kingdom Hearts, at least 2 and beyond, definitely straddle the line between character action game and action RPG. The game's designed first and foremost as the latter, but has a ton of intricate tech of the former, going so far as encouraging ditching most of the RPG elements and relying on sheer skill with lvl 1 runs. The upcoming FF16 as well also leans on the DMC with what appears to be launchers, teleports, aerial combos and the like.

 

[DarthEnderX]

"Action RPG" is, and always has been, a useless term.

There was a time when some people considered early Zelda games Action RPGs, because the term never had a real definition.

It basically boiled down to "Is it an action game, but it LOOKS like a JRPG because it's got an overhead perspective? Action RPG!" "Is it a straight up side-scrolling action platformer, but there's a leveling mechanic? Action RPG!"

 

[Shroob]

Corrin's moveset isn't the issue with Corrin- at least from my perspective, it is the most different of the Fire Emblem characters (or perhaps, second to Robin). The issue with Corrin was entirely the marketing, from her being the last character, to being a forced pick.

But hold on a second- did I miss why it was absolutely crucial to have additional ARPG characters? We don't even have a unique puzzle character who uses puzzle mechanics. We have one FPS. Hell, there are only 3.5 fighting game characters in the fighting-platformer game. I fail to see why we need yet another sub genre before we hit some of these bigger pillars. Where is our horror genre? Why is yet another RPG character so damned important?


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If we are playing the 'character I'd have put instead of Corrin,' I'd choose Chibi Robo. At the time, that was actually the game series that had a recent game and needed to be promoted. He had an amiibo. He really needed the exposure. He was a unique character. Also, he'd have been fun. It would have been nice for Nintendo to have done this.

It'd be nice if Nintendo treated Chibi-Robo with respect at all tbh.

 

[ZelDan]

"What's the likelihood we get an RPG Character this pass that isn't Pokemon or Fire Emblem?" is the real question

Still not bad chances tbh

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It'd be nice if Nintendo treated Chibi-Robo with respect at all tbh.

Chibi Robo will always be my favourite argument when dumbasses go "Oh Nintendo should buy Sonic/Mega Man/Banjo/whatever because they'll treat the IP with the respect it deserves!" as Chibi Robo perhaps the most laughably mishandled franchise I've ever seen

 

[Lamperouge]

If I had to pick a first party rep instead of Corrin in Smash 4, I would go with Bandana Dee.

I would've chosen Elma.

 

[Staarih]

I would've chosen Elma.

Yup, I think I'll always think that Elma would have been the more "balanced" way to go if they really wanted a promotional character at the time. FE would likely not be regarded as over-representated as it is today, and XCX would've probably benefited from the promotion more.

But what can you do. I do like Corrin though, (s)he's my go-to FE-character in Smash. I always end up playing the ones that aren't the majority's favorites.

And a quick note regarding Chibi Robo: you can't blame the lack of trying at least, even if Zip Lash was kinda meh and the last life line for Chibi Robo, it's still a fairly recent attempt of keeping him relevant. More than some other franchises have had. Anyway, he would definitely be a cool addition in Smash and a very underrated Nintendo character, but I have no idea where his future lies.

 

[Spongeboob]

Although I find Byleth "fun" to use, I'm disappointed with the direction the devs went with the character in using the Hero's Relics rather than Byleth's own abilities (Sword of the Creator, hand-to-hand, Divine Pulse, white magic, battalions, etc.).

"What's the likelihood we get an RPG Character this pass that isn't Pokemon or Fire Emblem?" is the real question

No idea. We've got nothing to go off of.

If I had to pick a first party rep instead of Corrin in Smash 4, I would go with Bandana Dee.

I would've gone for Qbby.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

even if Zip Lash was kinda meh

But... Le Funny Youtuber said it was absolutely godawful in every way! Surely a youtuber wouldn't highly exaggerate a mediocre game's flaws would they?

 

[XorahnGaia]

I already posted this in the PW thread, but it's pretty much confirmed that the Great Ace Attorney will be localized for the West

Great Ace Attorney (DGS) is CONFIRMED to be localized.

Also... Ace Attorney anime to be on Netflix and Amazon.

— PPG (@pokeprotos) November 16, 2020

I still don't see us getting a full FIGS localization but with this port and the fact they want to time it with the release of the anime on Netflix and Amazon specifically to try to get new people interested in the games is a strong sign that Capcom still wants to support the series.

 

[Lamperouge]

But... Le Funny Youtuber said it was absolutely godawful in every way! Surely a youtuber wouldn't highly exaggerate a mediocre game's flaws would they?

Overblown criticism or not, I'd be pretty pissed too if the future of a series that I loved hinged off the success of a mediocre platformer that absolutely nobody asked for.