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We were specifically talking about the context of first parties in DLC, though. Most of these are either base game or third party.Just because we don’t have Waluigi, Geno, Isaac, Dixie & Bandana Dee doesn’t mean that Nintendo’s been ignoring hardcore Nintendo fans.
getting in as well as all of the veterans returning happened because they wanted to please fans. If it wasn’t for fan demand, the only one of those characters we would’ve seen is Inkling.
Which is why I'm awfully suspicious of Geno and Chocobo's situation - not to say Geno is definitely coming, but I'm fairly confident that someone from Square Enix will. I have an itching feeling Square Enix is a little more strict about the distribution of their costumes compared to Capcom or Namco.
I feel the same tbh, it was the same way in 4. They could have included Geno sooner if not Chocobo but no his costume HAD to come with Cloud
Yeah that's also true, although I would say that it makes sense for them to have waited until the first Square Enix character was revealed to release Geno - since otherwise that would have been the first deal struck with them at all.
They front loaded the beginning of this game’s life with big fan requested Nintendo characters, I don’t think it’s unreasonable that they’ve focused on other things now. I’m sure there’s one more character left that’s been a long time fan request too.
I'd rather see Professor E. Gadd before King Boo, but I certainly wouldn't mind King Boo.
Y'know what? %$#@ it, stylish action Minecraft. It's a thing now.
Crash and Rayman could be simple. We've seen most platform characters are more so.
True, that is a good point, but then you could make a similar argument to third-party series that are already represented in other ways, like Bomberman, MH, NMH and Resident Evil. And it would also be extremely rude to say "nah, you've already got something, even though it wasn't really what you wanted". I'm not one of those people who sees Spirits or Miis as a slight or anything, but they'll never be the same as getting a full-blown character. And that applies to first parties as well.
being an early-purchase bonus). This is Smash - people, especially casuals, will likely buy it regardless.
I honestly think that Geno was the inspiration for the Mii Gunner (not the Mii Shooter...) I think the design was based with the costume in mind was Geno. Most guns are not arm cannon-s that's a very specific take for the base. This is why I think Geno is important, and also why I think he will be in- as a preMiium.
A line of thought I could personally never get behind is "if my most wanted is a Mii Costume, I'll be pissed. I'd rather have nothing than a Mii Costume." To me personally, your character is still getting represented in gaming's biggest crossover.
I mean, by Rival Showdown, he has, like, 60 moves. But if he just plays like he does in, say, Tokyo Rumble, his moveset is perfect for a standard Smash character.
It depends on how invested you are, I suppose. I'm actively thinking/hoping Reimu has a chance, so I'd be pretty bummed if she got Mii'd. It's not the end of the world, obviously, but it'd be a bit of a dampener for my mood. Adol, I'm not as invested, but I'd still go "Aw, darn." Though, with Ys' influence of RPGs, I'd still be proven correct that we'd get some sort of representation for it, so at least I can take solace in that. And Klonoa? I'd be happy that he's even acknowledged.
You could say the same thing about trying to attract new audiences to the game. SSBU is already the best selling fighting game of all time, and the one character Nintendo has been begging for for years is already in, and I doubt any other character would've been in the same position as Steve.
Oh absolutely, that makes sense. But, have you seen people rage over it, saying things like "Sakurai is a ****ing idiot who doesn't listen to the community by making 'X' a Mii Costume!" I haven't seen it necessarily on this site, but there's definitely folks out there with that kind of attitude.
To Be Fair, I think an Arm Cannon is the most kid-Friendly Base to make a Mii Gunner around, Kind of like how Samus and Mega Man have Arm Cannons
Maybe or maybe not. I talked to some buddies yesterday and they told me they only Got Steve and not Min-Min. Granted there was only like 2 or 3 that said that, but I bet that stretches more in the fanbaseTrue, that is a good point, but then you could make a similar argument to third-party series that are already represented in other ways, like Bomberman, MH, NMH and Resident Evil. And it would also be extremely rude to say "nah, you've already got something, even though it wasn't really what you wanted". I'm not one of those people who sees Spirits or Miis as a slight or anything, but they'll never be the same as getting a full-blown character. And that applies to first parties as well.
I know that's not what you are saying, but tbh that's the vibe I get from other posts here sometimes. There's also the whole idea that any remaining first party wouldn't sell (which is a bizarre argument after the SwSh controversy, the limited time offer thing and of course,
Slightly off-topic, I sometimes think that the whole "biggest crossover in gaming that will never happen again" gets overstated to fearmongering levels. Like, there's 4 slots left, it's impossible, by definition, to cover all video game icons left.
Not just the hats. I'm talking outfits too.
they both already exist
It also depends on the specific situation. When Terry was revealed I talked about how I wanted Kyo to at least get a costume - because there was no way they were both gonna be playable, at least not in the same Pass. It would have been better than just a Spirit imo.
I just feel like getting these out of the Insert Quotes button lol.
If that's how people act I don't think I want to see them rage
Yeah, context is everything. The guessing games, both the intentional one and the unintentional one, gave hope for characters that nobody would even consider. I wonder what would happen if we woke up one day and found that someone had accidentally placed Falcom's name in the trademarks...
Do you think Steve had to wait until FP2 because of casuals being stingy? Because it wasn't that. It was the needed amount of dev time, and being bigger than anyone in FP1 was merely a coincidence. Plus I'd think a dwindling audience would be better for smaller characters, because you wouldn't have as many people complaining that it wasn't Jonesy or whoever.
I Didn't say anything about Steve having to wait till FP2, and I Know it was because of Implementation issues he's in FP2
You'll see it on Twitter, people are rabid thinking it's a ****ing insult when the entire purpose of a costume is to include them when they literally can't be a part of the playable roster. It's astounding people honestly believe Sakurai is spitting on their face or something by giving someone a Mii costume option.
It's unfortunate that people think this way.
...That explains a lot, actually.
Those aren't left-field at all.
