Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Captain Shwampy]

It's sad that I see this song talked about so little. It's the best song in all of Sonic in my opinion. I get that it's from the game that included both Escape From the City and Live and Learn, but still:

SA1 and 2 Soundtracks are universally revered

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

 

[osby]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Definitely Dante. While I personally prefer Nero's playstyle, he was still super fun in DMC4.

I'd say Dixie Kong, too but that depends on how much she'd borrow from Diddy Kong.

 

[Idon]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

I don't really like XCX Elma or the game itself very much...

buuuuuuut the tools she has are pretty damn cool and I really like her design. On a surface level, I'm all in.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Not at this point. The DLC characters are just getting more and more overcomplicated, so no matter who they add, I'm worried Sakurai will make them unplayable to me by making them too faithful to their home series.

 

[Will]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Master Chief, the weapons in Halo are cool as ****.

 

[lady_sky skipper]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Oddly enough, Doomguy if only so I can do a Squad Strike session so he and Isabelle can team up.

 

[PSIGuy]

I don't really like XCX Elma or the game itself very much...

buuuuuuut the tools she has are pretty damn cool and I really like her design. On a surface level, I'm all in.

I can't believe Elma Xenoblade was just a fusion dance of Dante DMC and Vergil DMC all along. Dante's color scheme, Vergil's sword and colorscheme in her true form. Or is that her devil trigger?

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Heavy from Team Fortress 2. I don't really want him because most people pick him alone. However if the Heavy has the Pokemon Trainer tag team mechanic with Scout and Pyro then that would be cool.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Sakura from Street Fighter
Amaterasu from Okami
Phoenix Wright from Ace Attorney (even though I love the series)
Master Chief From Halo

 

[Mamboo07]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Space Invaders would be epic.

 

[StrangeKitten]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Kinda Lloyd. Yuri too tbh. Like, I wouldn't say I flat-out don't want them. I'm neutral-positive on them. They're just not huge wants of mine. But the fact that they'd be swordies and probably have a lot of combos? That's the entire reason I'm hoping for them

 

[Spongeboob]

SamSho isn't trying to represent all of video gaming.

I never said it was?

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Blanka from Street Fighter and Beat from Jet Set Radio.

 

[pupNapoleon]

The simplest answer I can give is that Smash Bros. is considered to be a much bigger deal than stuff like MVC. It's pretty much considered to be Video Game Valhalla, and people naturally have higher standards/expectations of who or what can get into these games or not.

Higher standards? I disagree here. These boards are screaming for Reimu and Kiryu to get in. I don't think either of them has more international recognition than the Joker or Freddy Kreuger. I think the Smash community has really loose standards, and a ton of fan made rules that get broken almost every reveal.

 

[TwiceEXE]

Higher standards? I disagree here. These boards are screaming for Reimu and Kiryu to get in. I don't think either of them has more international recognition than the Joker or Freddy Kreuger. I think the Smash community has really loose standards, and a ton of fan made rules that get broken almost every reveal.

To be fair, Smash already has a lot of the most recognizable characters in it. When you already have Mario, Pikachu, and Sonic it is hard to get a more recognizable face. Obviously there are big video game characters left out, but they are frequently discussed in this topic.

Also, I don't think comparing to non video game additions holds any weight. We know that, up to this point, Sakurai isn't willing to add characters from other mediums. Sure we can say that adding Winston Churchill would have more recognition than Akira Howard, but it isn't possible so who cares?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

To be fair, Smash already has a lot of the most recognizable characters in it. When you already have Mario, Pikachu, and Sonic it is hard to get a more recognizable face. Obviously there are big video game characters left out, but they are frequently discussed in this topic.

Also, I don't think comparing to non video game additions holds any weight. We know that, up to this point, Sakurai isn't willing to add characters from other mediums. Sure we can say that adding Winston Churchill would have more recognition than Akira Howard, but it isn't possible so who cares?

Wow can't believe you'd ssy this even as a joke. CLEARLY we'd get Margaret Thatcher first, voiced by herself summoned from the grave, being the first DLC character to be hated by literally everyone

 

[pupNapoleon]

That said I don't know why people are saying Min Min was received poorly.

She blatantly wasn't. If a few frazzled internet goers means a character is received poorly than Isabelle and Bayonetta were received poorly.

This seems like hardcore fans twisting facts to suit a narrative.

I recall Bayonetta being received poorly. Not only because she was last, but because Nintendo tried to convince us that our BALLOT voted character came in the top something of one country (litote- I know it was top 5 in Europe, which I also know was highly doubted). And then she was too good. Bayonetta was absolutely contested for inclusion.

They wouldn't have done a Sword/Shield spirit event if they were gonna do a Sword/Shield Pokemon as DLC. They would've just skipped doing one until the DLC dropped like they did with Three Houses.

Fan theory (conjecture).

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

I’m actually pretty against another Sonic character because I’d prefer other Sega franchises get a character; Yakuza, Virtua Fighter, Puyo Puyo, before Sonic gets another but I won’t deny that Robitnik could be a super fun and super unique addition. Other Sonic characters are very meh to me.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

I'm more a fan of the classic franchise but Mega Man X would make for a hell of character especially if his dash was emphasized.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Doomguy and Kiryu easily!

 

[pupNapoleon]

Question: if Vol. 2 had 10 fighters instead of 6 (2 Echoes can come with any one of these), which ones would you pick? Only rule is that you have to include the officially revealed fighters as well.

Here are mine:

• 76: Lara Croft
• 77: Min Min
• 78: Frogger
• 79: Crash Bandicoot
• 80: Isaac
• 81: Scorpion
• 81ε: Sub-Zero
• 82: Agumon
• 83: Rayman
• 84: Steve
• 85: Jill Valentine
• 85ε: Leon Kennedy

Honorable mentions: Sora, Captain Toad, Dixie Kong, Arle, Doomguy, Paper Mario, Tracer, Eevee, Angry Birds, Balloon Fighter, Chibi Robo, Monster Hunter, Heihachi, Lip, Nightmare...LoL, Warcraft..... honestly there are so many characters that would please me, it becomes difficult

 

[SKX31]

Definitely Dante. While I personally prefer Nero's playstyle, he was still super fun in DMC4.

I'd say Dixie Kong, too but that depends on how much she'd borrow from Diddy Kong.

Have to agree on Dixie. There's a case to be made there that it's the B moves that should be prioritized with her - not just for the sake of having a more true-to-the-text DK character, but also since the Banana Peels are (IMO) really irritating to play against when going up against a good Diddy player.

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

I'd say Doomguy, Shantae and (even though it's nigh impossible) Jak / Daxter primarily. Sims would also be a lot of fun to play as.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Higher standards? I disagree here. These boards are screaming for Reimu and Kiryu to get in. I don't think either of them has more international recognition than the Joker or Freddy Kreuger. I think the Smash community has really loose standards, and a ton of fan made rules that get broken almost every reveal.

I don't think that that's proof that we don't have higher standards as much as how focusing on bigger names than what Nintendo has to offer has only worked for 2 out of 7 characters throughout FP1 and 2, and still acting like all the third parties got the same reaction as Steve (and Hero in Japan) while Min Min drove Nintendo to near bankruptcy. That and Geno is still allowed to be a part of modern speculation. Can you imagine trying to suggest a 20-year-old one-off side character who's first party today?

 

[pupNapoleon]

while Min Min drove Nintendo to near bankruptcy.

....WHAT!? Nintendo hasn't approached bankruptcy. Of what on the planet do you speak?

That and Geno is still allowed to be a part of modern speculation. Can you imagine trying to suggest a 20-year-old one-off side character who's first party today?

I think the Geno crowd actually tends to prove the point that it's not that open ended. This crowd gets volatile. Which is an indication of being unwavering- ie, not loose standards. (And also, Geno is not first party. That's part of the 'struggle.')

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

What I personally don't get is the notion that we can't get 3rd party characters from existing franchises, like Dr. Eggman from Sonic. The only precedent is "it hasn't happened before," which I don't think is enough to go off of.

This is how Raiden can still win

 

[chocolatejr9]

Not at this point. The DLC characters are just getting more and more overcomplicated, so no matter who they add, I'm worried Sakurai will make them unplayable to me by making them too faithful to their home series.

If it makes you feel better, I don't see how they can overcomplicate Kunio. Then again, I've never played his games...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I know. I'm just suggesting that with them putting in this link , this might be bigger focus than in FP1. that or maybe they just thought it be good idea to advertise on the Site. It especially helps Min-Min

I think it's more likely that both of the second fighter's pass's characters happened to have games on the Switch. It could very well not have any characters that aren't on the Switch, but I don't think it would be because they made a conscious effort not to.

Not unless it's some kinda secret movie. The combat in PF plays like a normal MM game. The characters don't have a bunch of added melee attacks.

It is. All four characters have a special directional input that can be executed when holding a full charge in order to pull off a special attack. Mega Man has the Mega Upper, Bass Has the Crescent Kick (basically just Flash Kick), Proto Man has Blues Strike (most similar to Kikosho I think), and I forgot what Duo has.

EDIT: According to the MMKB, he has a generic uppercut called the Giant Knuckle, which acts like a MvC launcher, and can be followed up with a jump and an attack that smacks the opponent to the ground. Sounds pretty amusing.

 

[Deleted member]

Not at this point. The DLC characters are just getting more and more overcomplicated, so no matter who they add, I'm worried Sakurai will make them unplayable to me by making them too faithful to their home series.

A strong, yet non-gimmicky character being added would be pretty nice. Or at least one that's not super over the top. Banjo just has some 'charges' to his Side B and thats it; that's not bad at all. Even Joker isn't all that bad; it's basically just Limit break that provides a temporary buff. Not super complicated.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

while Min Min drove Nintendo to near bankruptcy.

Lol what? What are you talking about?

Even then that'll never happen. Nintendo is the Disney of video games.

 

[Guynamednelson]

....WHAT!? Nintendo hasn't approached bankruptcy. Of what on the planet do you speak?

I'm saying people are ACTING like that happened.

(And also, Geno is not first party. That's part of the 'struggle.')

Again, I know that. I'm suggesting the only reason he's allowed to be talked about is because he's third-party, because there's no way you'd be able to talk about a twenty year old one off side character if he was first party.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Geno, but I am sure he will have a fun moveset anyway.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Again, I know that. I'm suggesting the only reason he's allowed to be talked about is because he's third-party, because there's no way you'd be able to talk about a twenty year old one off side character if he was first party.

I don't know about that, but I do think he would be seen as less likely than he is now (though nobody thinks he's very likely to begin with), which is a little ironic.

Though in such a scenario, he'd probably be an Assist Trophy at this point considering Isaac.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Are there any characters you guys don't necessarily want, but think they'd be a lot of fun to play as if they got in?

Hayabusa. No attachment to the character but I’m sure Sakurai can make his gameplay style interesting

 

[Dinoman96]

Honestly I think the only reason Geno is still allowed to be talked about is because of this interview

And also the fact that we still haven't seen his Mii costume return, after seven different waves.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I enjoy Smash Bros.

Now that this post is relevant to discussion, enjoy this pumpkin I made during our morning school activity:

Spoiler: Kids were SEETHING

 

[Michael the Spikester]

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Wrong thread.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Once I get to watching Sleepy Hollow on Halloween, gonna be ranking my top 11 movies of 1999.

Deep Blue Sea
Gamera 3: The Revenge of Iris
Godzilla 2000
Lake Placid
Sleepy Hollow
Tarzan
The Iron Giant
The Matrix
The Mummy
The Sixth Sense
Toy Story 2

Uh did you mean to put this in the Social thread?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Uh did you mean to put this in the Social thread?

Apparently so, my bad.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Honestly I think the only reason Geno is still allowed to be talked about is because of this interview

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And also the fact that we still haven't seen his Mii costume return, after seven different waves.

This is the only thing they point to and it's not even that big of evidence. Hell he could say that he wanted to add Layton to smash but that still wouldn't be evidence because he is a human and humans change their minds. They like to think that if Sakurai does not add Geno smash then it's because he doesn't care about them and it's a slap to their face which is a very stupid thing to think. This isnt me making fun of them, this is me expaining what Ive seen from them

And I mean this in the nicest way, They need to have a more open mind

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't think that that's proof that we don't have higher standards as much as how focusing on bigger names than what Nintendo has to offer has only worked for 2 out of 7 characters throughout FP1 and 2, and still acting like all the third parties got the same reaction as Steve (and Hero in Japan) while Min Min drove Nintendo to near bankruptcy. That and Geno is still allowed to be a part of modern speculation. Can you imagine trying to suggest a 20-year-old one-off side character who's first party today?

This thread on this very page: Talks about characters they'd think would be fun which include a few first parties and the third parties are mostly successful but nothing that's sold 100 million or anything

Nelson: "ONCE AGAIN PEOPLE REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT AREN'T THE BEST SELLING GAMES ON THE PLANET"

For real though do you see people suggest anything that isn't exactly what you want as wanting solely the best selling franchises on the planet? If so, I'd love to live in the reality you live in where Okami, Pheonix Wright, Yakuza and many more are the best selling video game franchises ever, but sadly I live in the real world