Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[cashregister9]

If these were the final four. How would you guys feel?

Crash Bandicoot
Monster Hunter
Rex
Ryu Hayabusa

It is the same 4 characters we've been talking about for the last 3 months, This is the vanilla ice cream of Fighter Passes.

 

[Louie G.]

If these were the final four. How would you guys feel?

Crash Bandicoot
Monster Hunter
Rex
Ryu Hayabusa

A little on the basic side but it would be fine. Don't really have much attachment to any of these guys - not that I'm against them mind you, there just isn't a lot that appeals to me specifically. I think this lineup would benefit a lot from a more surprising, out there addition like Terry to stir things up a bit.

So overall just a tad underwhelming for me but I wouldn't have any glaring issues with it aside from just being too predictable.

 

[SharkLord]

Most people say Rex for the same reason why people say Rosalina: Rex & Pyra/Mythra and Rosalina & Luma are a lot to type.

And Banjo instead of just Banjo and Kazooie.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Most people say Rex for the same reason why people say Rosalina: Rex & Pyra/Mythra and Rosalina & Luma are a lot to type.

From what its described, the way I always seen Rex & Pyra (& Mythra) working is basically Pokemon Trainer. A Blade would be in the background linking to Rex and he could switch to Pyra and Mythra anytime as his Down B.

 

[7NATOR]

Bringing this over from Ultimate General Discussion:
https://smashboards.com/threads/fighter-pass-themed-tourney-theory.507971

Pretty Interesting Theory. Though perhaps like with the Banjo example of him not being in Hero's Tournament, there could be Leeway. They did focus on the Buddy Aspect of Banjo soo

It depends on what the Theme is. Tools is kinda more general than The Buddy Tournament of Banjo. It depends on how Specific the theme is

 

[3D Dillon]

Bringing this over from Ultimate General Discussion:
https://smashboards.com/threads/fighter-pass-themed-tourney-theory.507971

Thanks for bringing it up here for me.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

From what its described, the way I always seen Rex & Pyra (& Mythra) working is basically Pokemon Trainer. A Blade would be in the background linking to Rex and he could switch to Pyra and Mythra anytime as his Down B.

I could see them working similarly to how people speculated the Chorus Kids would work, with the two of them taking to the battlefield together, and if one gets hit, they both do. Except here it would actually make sense since they canonically take each other's damage.

 

[Idon]

Apex Legends doesn't have a story mode & normal RPG dungeons. I find it hard to believe that you couldn't use the existing story & gameplay of the dungeons and mold it into an experience that doesn't require microtransactions. You might have to flesh out the level design of the dungeons, but I don't think that's the same as them being unworkable. And if the whole steady stream of content angle would cause issues like not really having a good stopping point to end on, then they could try turning it into a game as a service where more keeps getting added as DLC.

Granted, it would be a lot of work, probably more than they'd be willing to do, but I highly doubt it's impossible.

Listen.

That story mode is side content. Everything from the game from the ground up is made to realize the gambling portion of the game. From its economy, to its timers, to its characters. If you, or anyone else agreeing with you, even remotely played the game you'd realize this and know how ridiculous your request is and how ingrained the systems are.
Apex Legends does have a story and several limited time PvE modes, but that doesn't mean it is even remotely workable into a single-player standalone experience. That was the entire point of the analogy which you've completely missed.

Like it goes to show just how impossible it is when Cygames, the devs of Dragalia and their own flagship gacha, Granblue, decided to not bring Granblue to consoles, but to create an entirely new game.

What little is workable into a stand-alone title, essentially just the simplistic dungeons and combat, wouldn't even be Dragalia Lost anymore.

 

[SKX31]

That's kinda the point though: taking something and turning it into something else. It wouldn't be a port, but a remake or re-imagining.

A port might be the best way to go really. When lawmakers are closing loot box / gacha opportunities, there's not many ways to go but to change around Dragalia. The building blocks are there in the form of the basic design.

One potential obstacle though is CyGames themselves:

However, “whale” monetization is the core driver of mobile games today. Only 4% of Candy Crush players, for example, spend on the game. And 10% of this 4% (or 0.4% of users) generate 50% of revenue. As a result, even minor adjustments in whale optimization can devastate economics. According to WSJ, CyberAgent, the developer of the Nintendo-based mobile title Dragalia Lost, “slashed its fiscal-year earnings forecast for the first time in 17 years in January due in part to the game’s disappointing performance. While player numbers for the game have grown due to an aggressive advertising campaign, revenue from each player has fallen short of projections.” An anonymous official at CyberAgent told the Journal, “Nintendo is not interested in making a large amount of revenue from a single smartphone game… If we managed the game alone, we would have made a lot more.”

That official's comment feels really ironic given how Nintendo handled the Diddy Kong Pack.

Ah yes,

CANDIA

If these were the final four. How would you guys feel?

Crash Bandicoot
Monster Hunter
Rex
Ryu Hayabusa

Pretty okay with these overall, but I'd be preferring other characters. Still, Crash and Ryu in particular are 8 / 10. As SharkLord said, the lack of left fielders is a bit dissapointing, but eh. Not the end of the world for me either.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It'd be funny if Rex & Pyra/Mythra got special dialogue when he self districts. Like, when you come back after SD'ing you hear:

Rex: "That was poorly judged."
Pyra: "Try to be more careful next time."

 

[Swamp Sensei]

When is our partner direct?

 

[Aerospherology]

When is our partner direct?

Next week if there is one

 

[KillerCage]

If these were the final four. How would you guys feel?

Crash Bandicoot
Monster Hunter
Rex
Ryu Hayabusa

I think you're overestimating Monster Hunter's chances.
Otherwise this is a reasonable prediction.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So about that voice theory. It falls apart because of Hero. Luminary and Erdrick were the only planned alts at the time until Solo and Eight came in later. Heck Sakurai even planned the DQ character to be 8 of the 11 Heroes in the series at one point.

 

[7NATOR]

Are there any Characters you guys don't want, and Why?

 

[Perkilator]

Are there any Characters you guys don't want, and Why?

Can we not have that, please?

 

[Goombaic]

It is the same 4 characters we've been talking about for the last 3 months, This is the vanilla ice cream of Fighter Passes.

This mentality is starting to become extremely grating to me. Moreso because we haven't done any in-depth discussion about Hayabusa till recently and I've never seen Crash been seriously discussed here.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

If these were the final four. How would you guys feel?

Crash Bandicoot
Monster Hunter
Rex
Ryu Hayabusa

I'd be okay with it but it could be better.

 

[latsmash]

Are there any Characters you guys don't want, and Why?

I'll lose my mind if Luigi AND Wario get into the game, seriously Nintendo? They're just colourful plumbers.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Are there any Characters you guys don't want, and Why?

Let’s not please

 

[SneakyLink]

Are there any Characters you guys don't want, and Why?

If I’m being honest, Capcom characters.

None of them really appeal to me.

 

[7NATOR]

Can we not have that, please?

I wasn't looking for people to hate on the Characters, I just wanted to know what were people's least wanted characters, their reasons why, and maybe on the Opposite end the fans of those characters give reasons why they want their character in

 

[SharkLord]

Are there any Characters you guys don't want, and Why?

No, no, and for the last time no. This is just going to build up tension and frustration until it escalates and devolves into a game of "Let's **** all over your most-wanteds!" This is not going to end well at all.

 

[ROBnWatch]

Are there any Characters you guys don't want, and Why?

Yes, there are characters I don’t want. I don’t want them mainly because I lack familiarity with them or their games, or they just don’t add anything for me.

See guys? We can still answer the question and give an honest answer without hating on any character(s) in particular.

 

[SKX31]

I'll lose my mind if Luigi AND Wario get into the game, seriously Nintendo? They're just colourful plumbers.

Hey now, Luigi would clearly be OP:

Source (2:35 in the video):

I wasn't looking for people to hate on the Characters, I just wanted to know what were people's least wanted characters, their reasons why, and maybe on the Opposite end the fans of those characters give reasons why they want their character in

SharkLord outlined exactly why those kinds of discussions tend to spiral - because even if a discussion is started in good faith, chances are that it rapidly becomes a hate-fest because a lot of other people instinctively take the opportunity to release pent-up negativity. IIRC a thread based around that topic wound up locked because of that.

So it's best to avoid that. If you want my answer: similar to ROBnWatch , but intentionally trolly characters / designs are best avoided like the plague. Thankfully Sakurai and co. knows that and avoids that.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Are there any Characters you guys don't want, and Why?

Goku, Shrek and Spongebob. Non-video game characters don't deserve to be in Smash.

 

[7NATOR]

Hey now, Luigi would clearly be OP:

Source (2:35 in the video):

SharkLord outlined exactly why those kinds of discussions tend to spiral - because even if a discussion is started in good faith, chances are that it rapidly becomes a hate-fest because a lot of other people instinctively take the opportunity to release pent-up negativity. IIRC a thread based around that topic wound up locked because of that.

So it's best to avoid that. If you want my answer: similar to ROBnWatch , but intentionally trolly characters / designs are best avoided like the plague. Thankfully Sakurai and co. knows that and avoids that.

Wait Power Gyser has Super Armor? Who Knew

And I guess. I think I saw that Least wanted thread but I Didn't know it got closed.

What would consitute as Intentionally Trolly? Something like Dan from Street Fighter, or are we talking even more Trolly than that?

 

[Kriven]

I'm honestly at a point where I'm kind of tired of seeing a bunch of protagonists from various different IPs being included and I would be so much happier if the rest of the pass was basically fleshing out franchises which are already in there. Particularly Nintendo's own IP, but also I think Sonic needs a couple more characters. It feels really strange to me that he doesn't.

I also still feel pretty good about Geno's chances. He's basically the only major holdout from the "Old Guard" of the Smash community who isn't an Assist Trophy or completely forgotten about at this point.

Meowth, Toad, and Tails not being in the game is starting to feel really weird to me, tbh.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

See guys? We can still answer the question and give an honest answer without hating on any character(s) in particular.

Yeah, but at least someone's honest answer is going to be that they don't want them because they think they suck/don't belong which is going to get an understandable "however, I disagree!" which will devolve into a full blown argument about the character.

 

[7NATOR]

Do you guys think Terry's list of 50 Songs will ever be topped by any of the Characters in FP2, or even come close?

On the other side, would there be any Character in FP2 that has Less than Steve's 7 Songs?

 

[Aerospherology]

On the other side, would there be any Character in FP2 that has Less than Steve's 7 Songs?

I don't think so. For example, if Geno got in, he would have plenty of songs because Yoko Shimomura isn't stingy and there would also be music from other Mario series RPGs.

 

[Wigglerman]

Do you guys think Terry's list of 50 Songs will ever be topped by any of the Characters in FP2, or even come close?

On the other side, would there be any Character in FP2 that has Less than Steve's 7 Songs?

I see no way his song list would be topped. Def seems like a rare one off chance that not even Sakurai expected to happen in the first place.

 

[cashregister9]

Do you guys think Terry's list of 50 Songs will ever be topped by any of the Characters in FP2, or even come close?

On the other side, would there be any Character in FP2 that has Less than Steve's 7 Songs?

I think Falcom could potentially crack or get close to the 50 song mark. Falcom has a couple songs that are actually royalty free, Ys, Trails, Zwei and Gurumin all have iconic tracks among Falcom fans and even songs from games like Brandish are popular (one of them even inspired Megalovania).

 

[Goombaic]

there would also be music from other Mario series RPGs.

Byleth makes me doubt that.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

If I’m being honest, Capcom characters.

None of them really appeal to me.

Imma Sick Ammy on you

 

[RGFS]

If these were the final four. How would you guys feel?

Crash Bandicoot
Monster Hunter
Rex
Ryu Hayabusa

I'd honestly be shocked if this is what happens. Basically since Fighter Pass 1, Speculation has been a tumble of getting smacked in the face with notable characters that were not really speculated much for fighters until they got revealed, leaked or some data files made it feel more obvious.

Joker, Hero, Terry, Byleth, Min Min and even Steve to a smaller extent were either not feeling plausible or barely even whispered. Sure Hero's code name gave him away and brought him to the spotlight but even then we focused on Erdrick and the SNK copyright on the Smash website accidentally let us know about Terry coming but that was the extent.

I'm expecting at least one more fighter we really never talked about or someone I have little to to no familiarity with.

 

[SharkLord]

Do you guys think Terry's list of 50 Songs will ever be topped by any of the Characters in FP2, or even come close?

On the other side, would there be any Character in FP2 that has Less than Steve's 7 Songs?

Possibly Touhou, given how big it's fan cover scene is and how much it's tied to that, as well as how extremely lax ZUN is with the rights, but that's a big maybe.

If there's ever anyone with less songs than Steve, I will be mashing the F key at supersonic speed.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Are there any Characters you guys don't want, and Why?

Geno because I hold no connection to him and my connection with Sora started all the way back at KH2 when I watched my sister play the game for the first time

Yall need to chill out, this question can be 100% answered respectfully. Just dont be rude when you answer

 

[SharkLord]

Geno because I hold no connection to him and my connection with Sora started all the way back at KH2 when I watched my sister play the game for the first time

Yall need to chill out, this question can be 100% answered respectfully. Justy donty be rude

All it takes is one spark, just one rude loudmouth, to set everything off. Even if we're all respectful, there's no guarantee we won't word something poorly or that someone won't misread your post. Better safe than sorry.

Though admittedly, I may be projecting after my embarrassing outburst when we did something similar in RTC. Not proud of that incident at all.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Do you guys think Terry's list of 50 Songs will ever be topped by any of the Characters in FP2, or even come close?

If we're to take Terry's case by heart, 50 is the max amount the smash team likes to submit for approval, so tbh, I kinda doubt it.

I could see some equaling or coming close if the liscencees are chill though, but I still kinda doubt that.