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Mecha-Fiora is one possible option. She appears in Shulk’s Final Smash so you already got a model to work with, and her voice is suspiciously absent in the FS (though like someone mentioned that may just be due to time constraints)

Melia’s another, given her role in the epilogue, Future Connected
I was thinking Riki was an option as well due to him being a Nopon because Nopon are essentially the mascots of the series at this point, and would provide a very different feel from a human character, bu then I remembered his Assist Trophy.

It's kind of a shame, as Riki is still the best Nopon character (though I haven't played the Future Connected storyline), and the only one who's comic relief doesn't detract from his actual character.
 

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I was thinking Riki was an option as well due to him being a Nopon because Nopon are essentially the mascots of the series at this point, and would provide a very different feel from a human character, bu then I remembered his Assist Trophy.

It's kind of a shame, as Riki is still the best Nopon character (though I haven't played the Future Connected storyline), and the only one who's comic relief doesn't detract from his actual character.
I would say Dunban, who also appears in Shulk’s FS but

how tf u gon recover with a bad arm dude???
 

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I was thinking Riki was an option as well due to him being a Nopon because Nopon are essentially the mascots of the series at this point, and would provide a very different feel from a human character, bu then I remembered his Assist Trophy.

It's kind of a shame, as Riki is still the best Nopon character (though I haven't played the Future Connected storyline), and the only one who's comic relief doesn't detract from his actual character.
There was a Dream Smasher article about him back in July.
 

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I was thinking Riki was an option as well due to him being a Nopon because Nopon are essentially the mascots of the series at this point, and would provide a very different feel from a human character, bu then I remembered his Assist Trophy.

It's kind of a shame, as Riki is still the best Nopon character (though I haven't played the Future Connected storyline), and the only one who's comic relief doesn't detract from his actual character.
Nene from Future Connected is probably the best Nopon aside from Riki, but she's also there to give Riki more character development and how he was a father. Her comic relief doesn't detract from her character either.
 

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Mecha-Fiora is one possible option. She appears in Shulk’s Final Smash so you already got a model to work with, and her voice is suspiciously absent in the FS (though like someone mentioned that may just be due to time constraints)

Melia’s another, given her role in the epilogue, Future Connected
Yeah, I'm going reiterate and say it's likely due to time constraints. Most voiceovers in Ultimate are already carryovers from previous games (with few like the newcomers, Ganondorf and Zelda getting new ones) - it's especially apparent with Lucina / Robin, who didn't get new voicelines for when they beat Chrom.

I honestly wouldn't mind expanding the VO budget and giving characters many additional lines for different characters they beat up. Lucina / Robin having voicelines for each other is a promising start. I'm thinking it's not just Lucina / Robin > Chrom example above, but there's a lot of potential voicelines all over the place. And Joker's allies having a lot of different victory quotes to say is also worth noting in this context.

Then again, my background's in a game where the entire cast has at least 5 responses to specific enemies they kill (although there's a massive discrepancy between the earlier and the later released heroes, with the later released one having 50+ responses). Edit: And some have voicelines for when they die to certain enemies (especially the game's resident rival sisters to each other). So my viewpoint is clearly tilted.
 
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NGL I'd be disappointed if they added another Xenoblade 1 rep
I like the game but you have 2 other Xeno games that aren't represented as much and can add more new stuff/worlds to Smash...
Agreed. We already have a fighter, an Assist Trophy, the most iconic area in the game, and a decent amount of Spirits. There's more to the Xenoblade franchise than just the first game.
 

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Well Since Xenoblade was Mentioned...

Imagine if those KOS-MOS Leaks actually come true, but it was 1 year late...
Personally, I doubt it. KOS-MOS seems like a beloved character, but her home series is almost entirely forgotten beyond the Xenoblade fandom. She's kinda like Bamco's equivalent to Morrigan, who isn't in a good spot regarding Smash either. The Fighter's Passes have all had a certain theme for the passes, usually a specific game or series of games (Or an entire company, in Terry's case). When your series is as obscure as Xenosaga, I have some heavy doubts, no matter how popular the character is.
 

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Yeah, I'm going reiterate and say it's likely due to time constraints. Most voiceovers in Ultimate are already carryovers from previous games (with few like the newcomers, Ganondorf and Zelda getting new ones) - it's especially apparent with Lucina / Robin, who didn't get new voicelines for when they beat Chrom.

I honestly wouldn't mind expanding the VO budget and giving characters many additional lines for different characters they beat up. Lucina / Robin having voicelines for each other is a promising start. I'm thinking it's not just Lucina / Robin > Chrom example above, but there's a lot of potential voicelines all over the place. And Joker's allies having a lot of different victory quotes to say is also worth noting in this context.

Then again, my background's in a game where the entire cast has at least 5 responses to specific enemies they kill (although there's a massive discrepancy between the earlier and the later released heroes, with the later released one having 50+ responses). So my viewpoint is clearly tilted.
While I don't think it's reasonable to add it all retroactively, I think the game could benefit from adding special victory quotes whenever a character gets a new vocal performance. For example, I think simple lines like these would do wonders for characterization:
  • :ultpeach: (after beating Bowser): "I did it Mario!"
  • :ultshulk: (after beating a character from Fire Emblem: Awakening): "Never give up on your future [CHARACTER]!"
  • :ultpit: (after beating Min Min): "Woah! Noodles are no joke!"
 

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I feel as though Xenosaga would be countered as a different franchise though, despite Xenoblade being a spiritual successor.
I count her as Xenosaga, not Xenoblade itself. Her XC2 artwork has the Bandai Namco copyright on it, which suggests Bamco still owns her
I count her as Xenosaga too, but She is in Xenoblade 2 after all, so she's at least related to the Series in some Capacity

If They do what they did with ARMS, and ask the head Monlith Soft Guy what Character he would want, He might just go with her since Monolith Soft has a thing for her, with all the crossovers and Expys, and Nintnedo and Sakurai might be down anyway, even if her Home Series is Dead.
 

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I always say that Kos-Mos (with maybe T-Elos as alt) can be the best complement to Shulk. She is the mascot of Monolith Soft and we still don’t have a character from a space-themed setting.

Plus she is another female and all that stuff.
 

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I count her as Xenosaga too, but She is in Xenoblade 2 after all, so she's at least related to the Series in some Capacity

If They do what they did with ARMS, and ask the head Monlith Soft Guy what Character he would want, He might just go with her since Monolith Soft has a thing for her, with all the crossovers and Expys, and Nintnedo and Sakurai might be down anyway, even if her Home Series is Dead.
I dunno about that. A single game is a lot more specific than an entire company, especially seeing as Xenosaga isn't even owned by Nintendo. XC2 would require no negotiation, no to mention Nintendo's been promoting it for good long while now.
 

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Namco Bandai also said themselves said that Xenosaga remasters aren't profitable enough.
 
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It's been 5 months since Xenoblade Definitive Edition and Nintendo of America is still actively promoting it. I feel like we're certainly getting a Xenoblade character this pass if they're willing to promote this game for this long. How long did they promote Three Houses for?
They also have been doing the Dunban meme for ages. I don't think it means anything personally.
 

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Honestly, Elma is the Best Choice overall. But I don't think we're getting another Xenoblade Character due to Dragalia so I'm not gonna discuss other options.
 

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The only way I can see KOS-MOS is if Sakurai personally wants her in, and I don't know why he would pick her over the many more popular and relevant Namco Bandai reps.
 

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I dunno about that. A single game is a lot more specific than an entire company, especially seeing as Xenosaga isn't even owned by Nintendo. XC2 would require no negotiation, no to mention Nintendo's been promoting it for good long while now.
Wait I'm kinda confused by the Wording, but I agree kinda. Any OG character from Xenoblade 2 would have no negotiations. Elma wouldn't also and she's also in that game, even if that's not her Original Game

Still I Think she could be an Option nevertheless. Monliith went the Trouble of Neogtating for her with Namco so put her (And T-LEOS) in Xenoblade 2. Now whether Nintendo and Sakurai would take that option when there's other Xenoblade Characters, and other Characters in General remain to be seen
 

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Wait I'm kinda confused by the Wording, but I agree kinda. Any OG character from Xenoblade 2 would have no negotiations. Elma wouldn't also and she's also in that game, even if that's not her Original Game

Still I Think she could be an Option nevertheless. Monliith went the Trouble of Neogtating for her with Namco so put her (And T-LEOS) in Xenoblade 2. Now whether Nintendo and Sakurai would take that option when there's other Xenoblade Characters, and other Characters in General remain to be seen
Crossovers for XC2 and crossovers for Smash probably operate on vastly different standards.
 

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While I don't think it's reasonable to add it all retroactively, I think the game could benefit from adding special victory quotes whenever a character gets a new vocal performance. For example, I think simple lines like these would do wonders for characterization:
  • :ultpeach: (after beating Bowser): "I did it Mario!"
  • :ultshulk: (after beating a character from Fire Emblem: Awakening): "Never give up on your future [CHARACTER]!"
  • :ultpit: (after beating Min Min): "Woah! Noodles are no joke!"
I don't think it's reasonable to add them retroactively either - the game I referenced, Dota 2, still has it with some older heroes: they've had the same 5 enemy-specific responses for years. Still though:

  • :ultfalco: (After beating any of :ultsheik:, :ultmarth: ,:ultjigglypuff: or :ultfox: ): "Don't tell me you've lost a step!"
  • :ultken: (After beating Min Min): "Wait a sec, Chun might be interested in those ARMs...."
  • :ultsimon: (After beating Mewtwo): "What twisted sorcery created you? Some strange machine?"
  • :ultzss: (After beating Ridley): "Don't. Come. Back."
  • :ultpit: (After beating Kirby or Jigglypuff): "Hah! That's enough floating around for you!"
Crossovers for XC2 and crossovers for Smash probably operate on vastly different standards.
Kinda makes me wonder what would happen if they operated on the same standard.
 

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I count her as Xenosaga too, but She is in Xenoblade 2 after all, so she's at least related to the Series in some Capacity

If They do what they did with ARMS, and ask the head Monlith Soft Guy what Character he would want, He might just go with her since Monolith Soft has a thing for her, with all the crossovers and Expys, and Nintnedo and Sakurai might be down anyway, even if her Home Series is Dead.
I politely disagree with this conclusion. In the case of ARMs, choosing Min Min over Spring man (or Ninjara by the sounds of it) due to the directors preference was not a big deal because A. They at the end of the day represent the same franchise/game and B. They were both 100 percent owned by the same company in Nintendo. In Kos Mos's case, she would have a moveset, spirit board, stage and final smash almost definitely pulled from Xenosaga, meaning she would represent Xenosaga. She would represent Xenoblade 2 in the same way Lloyd Irving would secretly represent Soul Caliber, because he made a guest appearance that one time. And as Sharklord already said, if Nintendo did approach Monolith for a character, they would have to switch either Elma and Rex, two characters completely free to use in the game and who actually profits Nintendo to advertise (drum up more sales of the Xenoblade series), to KOS MOS, a character as Rie stated that is owned by Bandai Namco and would require licensing fees. I'm not saying this hypothetical scenario is impossible, I'm just saying I find it extremely unlikely, considering at the end of the day Nintendo is a business first.
 
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What those two games even have to do with each other?
They are Both Nintendo Owned JRPGs, Though one is a Mobile game and One is on the Switch

Also the Main Options use a Sword, though Elma Dual Wields, Rex has Assists in Pyra and Mythera, and Euden can turn into a Dragon.

Crossovers for XC2 and crossovers for Smash probably operate on vastly different standards.
Probably, I'm just Saying she's an Option though. It's likely she doesn't even show up in the Game at all.
 

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I always say that Kos-Mos (with maybe T-Elos as alt) can be the best complement to Shulk. She is the mascot of Monolith Soft and we still don’t have a character from a space-themed setting.

Plus she is another female and all that stuff.
If we're going to be talking about themes, we haven't got anyone from the wild west yet so uh...

We could have Cormano from Sunset Riders?

Cormano.jpg
 

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They are Both Nintendo Owned JRPGs, Though one is a Mobile game and One is on the Switch

Also the Main Options use a Sword, though Elma Dual Wields, Rex has Assists in Pyra and Mythera, and Euden can turn into a Dragon.



Probably, I'm just Saying she's an Option though. It's likely she doesn't even show up in the Game at all.
As I said, they can coexist in the Fighter Pass.
 

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Wait Actually I got to ask

Isn't the KOS-MOS Compared to Elma and Rex Arguement Similiar to the Waluigi and Geno Argument though?

Cause if you look at it, Waluigi is Both Popular in Casual and Hardcore fanbase, Relevant, has no Licensing Costs (well in terms of 3rd party), and has a Model in the game to Re-Purpose, Compared to Geno who's only made 1 real appearance Over 20 years ago, Owned by Square, Has no Model in Game (he does have Smash 4 Costume), and is only really popular around Hardcore Fanbase and those who tune into Smash Content, even though I say he has a Legacy of being wanted for Smash and is Iconic for that fact?
 
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I don't see how we couldn't get both Euden and Rex in the same pass, sure they're both Nintendo owned JRPGs, but we got Joker, Hero and Byleth all in FP1 which are all JRPG characters of some kind.

Personally I don't see us getting a Dragalia Lost rep in the first place because Smash hasn't really been trying to put any attention on mobile games, in fact they've focused on those less than indie games.
 

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While you guys are discussing Xenoblade, I wanted to bring up an observation I made the other day. Apologies if someone had already brought this up at some point but it's pretty interesting to me.

When Steve came out I had noticed that the in-game newsletter graphic showcased the Ancient Armor alongside the current characters. Immediately this made me think about Rex - originally I assumed his costume didn't matter and that Nintendo would do whatever they wanted with him, but this got me thinking about how maybe Rex is a more significant part of FP1 than I gave him credit for.


So as you can see, FP1's graphic also showcases Rex. I'm not trying to say this is the be all end all for Rex's chances, but it's making me consider how Nintendo may see this costume as a bigger deal than we do. The fact that they deem it significant enough to promote as a selling point alongside the main attractions has me second-guessing my original opinion that the costume doesn't matter. I still don't think this would be a major obstacle if Nintendo did want to add Rex after all, but it's just interesting to take note of and may imply that this costume means more to them than I initially anticipated.
 
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While you guys are discussing Xenoblade, I wanted to bring up an observation I made the other day. Apologies if someone had already brought this up at some point but it's pretty interesting to me.

When Steve came out I had noticed that the in-game newsletter graphic showcased the Ancient Armor alongside the current characters. Immediately this made me think about Rex - originally I assumed his costume didn't matter and that Nintendo would do whatever they wanted with him, but this got me thinking about how maybe Rex is a more significant part of FP1 than I gave him credit for.


So as you can see, FP1's graphic also showcases Rex. I'm not trying to say this is the be all end all for Rex's chances, but it's making me consider how Nintendo may see this costume as a bigger deal than we do. The fact that they deem it significant enough to promote as a selling point alongside the main attractions has me second-guessing my original opinion that the costume doesn't matter. I still don't think this would be a major obstacle if Nintendo did want to add Rex after all, but it's just interesting to take note of and may imply that this costume means more to them than I initially anticipated.
If this is true, are you saying we will never be able to buy the Costume Separately? Does this mean the Costume will be held at $25 Ransom forever?
 

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The win quote thing got me thinking. A Heart to Heart/Support Conversation style mode would be genius. They would be amazing rewards for the game's challenge mode (which is kinda just there at the moment, though it does give you music so eh) because not only would you be able to see these characters interacting with characters they wouldn't normally interact with, but you would also be able to gain insight about them and their games through the topics they discuss.

If we're going to be talking about themes, we haven't got anyone from the wild west yet so uh...

We could have Cormano from Sunset Riders?
Dillon could be fun so long as he wasn't Sonic 2.0 (I don't think he would be though).
 
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