Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[JOJONumber691]

Minecraft already covers it's "schtick".

Actually, Building in Fortnite and Minecraft is completely different. A Fortnite Character's Building and Moveset as a whole would be completely different from Minecraft in Smash. Steve currently goes for the ground, like in Minecraft, so Jonesy could get a Loot Drop Item Gimmick with his Weapons being completely random. Just like a Battle Royale.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Minecraft already covers it's "schtick".

While I disagree with the notion that Minecraft only got in because it was "hip with the kids", a Fortnite character probably would have similar mechanics to Steve due to the gameplay loop of gathering resources and building walls n' stuff. I could see it getting passed on for that reason, though Byleth, the "distance demon", was preceded by Min Min so that's not really a guarantee either. lol

 

[RileyXY1]

Actually, Building in Fortnite and Minecraft is completely different. A Fortnite Character's Building and Moveset as a whole would be completely different from each other in Smash. Steve currently goes for the ground, like in Minecraft, so Jonesy could get a Loot Drop Item Gimmick with his Weapons being completely random. Just like a Battle Royale.

I also don't think that being "popular" means that they are a shoo in. Besides, like Valve, Epic Games really doesn't work with Nintendo that much, with Fortnite being their very first time on a Nintendo console.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

You got to remember guys, Nintendo allowed Bethesda to put Doom on the SNES back in the day and they censored it to the extent of how NetherRealm Studios censored Mortal Kombat on the SNES I believe. It's possible for Sakurai to tone down Doom Slayer in Smash.

 

[SKX31]

Violent debate again.

People have gotten over Steve already, eh?

Well, not me (or the competitive scene), we're so gonna have fun with Steve's Instant Shield Break (and Anvil Grab):

Fortnite is actually popular in Japan. So it could be considered.

Kind of? The most prominent BR there is Knives Out, and Apex has a solid foothold. But honestly I'd not be surprised if Fortnite was at least known there (given that Star Wars is really big there, and the MCU is humongous period, so Fortnite would have loads of exposure from those two there).

 

[RileyXY1]

You got to remember guys, Nintendo allowed Bethesda to put Doom on the SNES back in the day and they censored it to the extent of how NetherRealm Studios censored Mortal Kombat on the SNES I believe. It's possible for Sakurai to tone down Doom Slayer in Smash.

It was actually the GBA version that was censored.

 

[JOJONumber691]

I also don't think that being "popular" means that they are a shoo in. Besides, like Valve, Epic Games really doesn't work with Nintendo that much, with Fortnite being their very first time on a Nintendo console.

You say that when there was an entire Switch Model dedicated to Fortnite at one time. With exclusive content for getting the Fortnite Bundle.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

It was actually the GBA version that was censored.

Well, I thought the SNES version was a lot less bloody and gory from the original PC version.

 

[RileyXY1]

Well, I thought the SNES version was a lot less bloody and gory from the original PC version.

That was due to system limitations. The SNES version was a drastically neutered version of the game, despite actually being the most faithful to the PC version.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It was actually the GBA version that was censored.

I was surprised that they could fit Doom on the GameBoy Advance, but then I remembered that someone got it to run on an electronic pregnancy test.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That was due to system limitations. The SNES version was a drastically neutered version of the game, despite actually being the most faithful to the PC version.

I see...

 

[RileyXY1]

I actually think that a character from a gacha game is more likely than a character from an FPS.

 

[JOJONumber691]

I actually think that a character from a gacha game is more likely than a character from an FPS.

Yeah. No way we aren't getting a CyGames Fighter. OH EUDEN!

 

[RileyXY1]

Yeah. No way we aren't getting a CyGames Fighter. OH EUDEN!

The only problem is that Dragalia Lost was never released in Europe, because gacha games aren't well liked over there.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Its conversations/back and forth debates like this which always make later (potential) out of nowhere fighter reveals even more astounding. Like imagine looking back on this discussion of whether Master Chief or Doom Slayer would get in a year from now when it turned out we had Pocky & Rocky for fighter 9.

 

[JOJONumber691]

The only problem is that Dragalia Lost was never released in Europe, because gacha games aren't well liked over there.

True, but then again, it could just simply be the CyGames Pack. As in Euden brings content from both Dragalia and GranBlue. Since GranBlue VS did release in Europe.

 

[chocolatejr9]

The only problem is that Dragalia Lost was never released in Europe, because gacha games aren't well liked over there.

I don't know why, but I don't think that's as big of a deal as people think. Yeah, there's the thing about Lucas, but Dragalia Lost at least isn't Japan-EXCLUSIVE. It does have a presence in other regions. Plus, there are... unofficial ways to play DL in Europe, if you're willing to look for them.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The only problem is that Dragalia Lost was never released in Europe, because gacha games aren't well liked over there.

I think gacha games in general have trouble releasing in Europe due to it's laws against gambling. I wouldn't be surprised if this applied to all potential gacha reps.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I was surprised that they could fit Doom on the GameBoy Advance, but then I remembered that someone got it to run on an electronic pregnancy test.

"Honey, I took the test but what the **** does a gun shooting a monster mean?"

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Is Solid Snake sorta kinda an FPS rep? Forgive my ignorance, I believe the Metal Gear games are primarily third person, but there's first person sections as well right?

If we were to get a true FPS rep, though, I do want to see Chief before Doomguy (even though I wouldn't mind the latter, because he would make my dad incredibly happy!) Halo has resonated with me a lot more than Doom, and I think having a true Microsoft rep would really be game changing.

 

[Megadoomer]

Is Solid Snake sorta kinda an FPS rep? Forgive my ignorance, I believe the Metal Gear games are primarily third person, but there's first person sections as well right?

If we were to get a true FPS rep, though, I do want to see Chief before Doomguy (even though I wouldn't mind the latter, because he would make my dad incredibly happy!) Halo has resonated with me a lot more than Doom, and I think having a true Microsoft rep would really be game changing.

You have the option to aim in first person starting in Metal Gear Solid 2 (which resulted in some complaints about MGS: The Twin Snakes on the Gamecube, since the Revolver Ocelot fight wasn't designed for that), though they're generally third person stealth games. Snake's about as much of a first person shooter character as the Inklings are.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Snake's a mere amateur in comparison to the real FPS character in Smash:

Spoiler

 

[Guynamednelson]

Its conversations/back and forth debates like this which always make later (potential) out of nowhere fighter reveals even more astounding. Like imagine looking back on this discussion of whether Master Chief or Doom Slayer would get in a year from now when it turned out we had Pocky & Rocky for fighter 9.

Like I said, Steve's blocky model and pixelated textures aren't the only way he's going to stick out from the rest of the pass.

 

[SneakyLink]

Snake's a mere amateur in comparison to the real FPS character in Smash:

Spoiler

I see your Banjo-Tooie and raise you a Yoshi's Safari:

Spoiler

Wait... does this mean we've always had a FPS rep in Smash?!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

On the subject of game genres what's a character you would want and/or expect from a variety of them? The criteria for inclusion is that the character must have a main series game that fits the category. If it's a spin-off only character, then they get the genre of the most notable game(s) they appeared in.
Example:

Spoiler

• Platformer
  • Want: Shovel Knight & Bandana Waddle Dee
  • Expect: No one
• First Person Shooter
  • Expect: The Doom Slayer
• Fighting
  • Expect: No one
• Beat 'em Up
  • Expect: Axel Stone
• Stealth
  • Want: Elma
  • Expect: No one
• Survival
  • Expect: No one
• Battle Royale
  • Expect: No one
• Rhythm
  • Want: Rhythm Choir
  • Expect: No one
• Horror
  • Expect: No one
• Metroidvania
  • Expect: No one
• Visual Novel
  • Expect: No one
• RPG
  • Want: Rex & Pyra/Mythra
  • Expect: Rex & Pyra/Mythra or the Dragonborn
• Rougelike
  • Expect: No one
• Simulation
  • Expect: Sim
• 4X
  • Expect: Someone from the Civilization series
• Multiplayer Online Battle Arena
  • Expect: Someone from the League of Legends series
• Real-Time Strategy
  • Expect: No one
• Tower Defense
  • Expect: No one
• Sports
  • Expect: No one
• Racing
  • Expect: No one
• MMO
  • Expect: The Litch King

 

[RileyXY1]

On the subject of game genres what's a character you would want and/or expect from a variety of them? The criteria for inclusion is that the character must have a main series game that fits the category. If it's a spin-off only character, then they get the genre of the most notable game(s) they appeared in.
Example:

Spoiler

• Platformer
  • Want: Shovel Knight & Bandana Waddle Dee
  • Expect: No one
• First Person Shooter
  • Expect: The Doom Slayer
• Fighting
  • Expect: No one
• Beat 'em Up
  • Expect: Axel Stone
• Stealth
  • Want: Elma
  • Expect: No one
• Survival
  • Expect: No one
• Battle Royale
  • Expect: No one
• Rhythm
  • Want: Rhythm Choir
  • Expect: No one
• Horror
  • Expect: No one
• Metroidvania
  • Expect: No one
• Visual Novel
  • Expect: No one
• RPG
  • Want: Rex & Pyra/Mythra
  • Expect: Rex & Pyra/Mythra or the Dragonborn
• Rougelike
  • Expect: No one
• Simulation
  • Expect: Sim
• 4X
  • Expect: Someone from the Civilization series
• Multiplayer Online Battle Arena
  • Expect: Someone from the League of Legends series
• Real-Time Strategy
  • Expect: No one
• Tower Defense
  • Expect: No one
• Sports
  • Expect: No one
• Racing
  • Expect: No one
• MMO
  • Expect: The Litch King

I expect the Doom Slayer all right...as a Mii Fighter costume.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

On the subject of game genres what's a character you would want and/or expect from a variety of them? The criteria for inclusion is that the character must have a main series game that fits the category. If it's a spin-off only character, then they get the genre of the most notable game(s) they appeared in.
Example:

Spoiler

• Platformer
  • Want: Shovel Knight & Bandana Waddle Dee
  • Expect: No one
• First Person Shooter
  • Expect: The Doom Slayer
• Fighting
  • Expect: No one
• Beat 'em Up
  • Expect: Axel Stone
• Stealth
  • Want: Elma
  • Expect: No one
• Survival
  • Expect: No one
• Battle Royale
  • Expect: No one
• Rhythm
  • Want: Rhythm Choir
  • Expect: No one
• Horror
  • Expect: No one
• Metroidvania
  • Expect: No one
• Visual Novel
  • Expect: No one
• RPG
  • Want: Rex & Pyra/Mythra
  • Expect: Rex & Pyra/Mythra or the Dragonborn
• Rougelike
  • Expect: No one
• Simulation
  • Expect: Sim
• 4X
  • Expect: Someone from the Civilization series
• Multiplayer Online Battle Arena
  • Expect: Someone from the League of Legends series
• Real-Time Strategy
  • Expect: No one
• Tower Defense
  • Expect: No one
• Sports
  • Expect: No one
• Racing
  • Expect: No one
• MMO
  • Expect: The Litch King

Spoiler

• Platformer
  • Want: Crash Bandicoot
  • Expect: Crash Bandicoot
• First Person Shooter
  • Want: Master Chief, Doom Slayer
  • Expect: No one
• Fighting
  • Want: Morrigan, Chun Li
  • Expect: Sol Badguy
• Beat 'em Up
  • Expect: No one
• Stealth
  • Expect: No one
• Survival
  • Expect: No one
• Battle Royale
  • Expect: No one
• Rhythm
  • Expect: No one
• Horror
  • Want: Resident Evil rep
  • Expect: No one
• Metroidvania
  • Want: Miriam(Bloodstained)
  • Expect: No one
• Visual Novel
  • Want: Phoenix Wright, Saber
  • Expect: No one
• RPG
  • Want: Elma, Cinderace, Bravely Default rep
  • Expect: Rex & Pyra/Mythra or Lloyd
• Rougelike
  • Expect: No one
• Simulation
  • Expect: No one
• 4X
  • Expect: No one
• Multiplayer Online Battle Arena
  • Expect: No one
• Real-Time Strategy
  • Expect: No one
• Tower Defense
  • Expect: No one
• Sports
  • Expect: No one
• Racing
  • Expect: No one
• MMO
  • Expect: No one
• Puzzle
  • Want: Arle Nadja
  • Expect: Arle Nadja

I would love to be wrong about not expecting a visual novel rep though.

 

[Perkilator]

The only problem is that Dragalia Lost was never released in Europe, because gacha games aren't well liked over there.

Again, that can be fixed with an upscaled Switch port.

 

[SKX31]

The only problem is that Dragalia Lost was never released in Europe, because gacha games aren't well liked over there.

I don't know why, but I don't think that's as big of a deal as people think. Yeah, there's the thing about Lucas, but Dragalia Lost at least isn't Japan-EXCLUSIVE. It does have a presence in other regions. Plus, there are... unofficial ways to play DL in Europe, if you're willing to look for them.

I think gacha games in general have trouble releasing in Europe due to it's laws against gambling. I wouldn't be surprised if this applied to all potential gacha reps.

While the dislike against gacha isn't region-specific (there are a lot of people regardless of country who dislike gacha / lootboxes), a main reason why many European countries have taken that stance is because the issue of gacha / lootboxes are generally viewed as a consumer protection issue, and because there's a much stronger current that any gambling should be undertaken by people who are 18+.

There are a lot of gambling companies active in Europe (football / soccer is especially rife with them as sponsors, and it's caused problems there too), but in that case the ads are always targeted towards 18+. Gacha and lootboxes are seen as a problem by lawmakers partly because they indirectly circumvent the "18+" thing.

I did a writeup on that a month ago. I should note further that Belgium and the Netherlands are two important EU countries - Brussels is one of EU's main seats, and the Hague is the seat of numerous European organizations like the European Patent Office. Belgium and the Netherlands are also the two countries who have imposed the strictest anti-gacha / lootbox laws, so many companies really don't want to go through the hassle.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

From the Sora thread.

https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1317118912614535168

 

[chocolatejr9]

From the Sora thread.

https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1317118912614535168

Aw yeah, Verum Rex is about to become real, baby! Yozora for Smash!

 

[3BitSaurus]

From the Sora thread.

...HMK takes this **** way too seriously. And I say it as a Sora supporter.

 

[Aerospherology]

From the Sora thread.

https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1317118912614535168

So Sora isn't in Pass 2?

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

From the Sora thread.

https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1317118912614535168

Not everything relates to Smash you know, besides the characters were decided back in 2019.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Just trying to stir up a bit of discussion and speculation given how somewhat inactive things are.

 

[SKX31]

From the Sora thread.

https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1317118912614535168

Hoo boy, it begins.

If Sora does appear, I kinda want Mickey, Donald and Goofy to appear as NPCs just so that Twitter explodes.

And FTR, I'm gonna play it safe and assume that tweet means nothing.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

From the Sora thread.

https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1317118912614535168

I mean Nomura also produced TWEWY so

at the very least it could be TWEWY2

 

[Garteam]

From the Sora thread.

https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1317118912614535168

Unless we're getting another wave of DLC and they're still doing negotiations for that, it's at best a Mii costume or spirit event.

 

[cashregister9]

Dragalia not being released in Europe should not stop him.
-Earthbound did not release in Australia and Europe until the New 3DS came out
-Mother 3 still isn't out in America or Europe yet
-The Dozens of spirits and songs from games not yet released outside of Japan

From the Sora thread.

https://twitter.com/HMKilla/status/1317118912614535168

I want to believe it is something like KH 1.5.-2.5 or TWEWY 2

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Well given Square Enix's less than impressive porting history with Nintendo in the last 20 years we know its probably not about putting any of the mainline KH games on Switch so that's one possibility ruled out.