Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Spongeboob]

Only Smash fans are that insane to make such crackpot theories.

Guess how many times they're right?

 

[JOJONumber691]

True. But then again, Speculation is just good fun, so who knows?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

And here's it with the known characters, with and without the logos.

Nice to see you catering to the ESRB crowd :^)

 

[Dr.DonPatch64]

I'm ok with Smash Speculation, I like watching Papagenos for more info

Nice to see you catering to the ESRB crowd :^)

Do you think it might effect Characters chances?
since Travis's mii costume just says "Travis" in the US stream

same thing happened with Altair and Vault Boy

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Do you think it might effect Characters chances?
since Travis's mii costume just says "Travis" in the US stream

same thing happened with Altair and Vault Boy

I frankly don't see how an American ratings board will affect the chances of a character in a Japanese game.

Especially when the ESRB started messing with the title logos in presentations after the Pass' lineup was decided.

"Oh they can't show the [insert M-Rated game here] logo in America anymore, guess they'll need to scrap this character then." is such a poor excuse to gatekeep without any real reason other than being a jerk that I'm surprised it's even considered.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I frankly don't see how an American ratings board will affect the chances of a character in a Japanese game.

Especially when the ESRB started messing with the title logos in presentations after the Pass' lineup was decided.

The ratings are generally consistent across regions. I don't think Nintendo wants Smash or its dlc to be inexplicably higher in rating in one region or another since it's sold internationally.

The logo thing I get not effecting it but I do think the ratings board of a major market would have some impact.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The ratings are generally consistent across regions. I don't think Nintendo wants Smash or its dlc to be inexplicably higher in rating in one region or another since it's sold internationally.

The logo thing I get not effecting it but I do think the ratings board of a major market would have some impact.

And yet Bayonetta can enter Smash just fine?

As long as they can be censored without sacrificing their identity, they'll put an M-rated character (or D-Rated if we want to speak in CERO terms) if they want to put them, end of story.

That's why Mai Shiranui lacks the cameo for the KoF stage; it's very out-of-character for her to not jiggle her boobies.

 

[PLATINUM7]

And yet Bayonetta can enter Smash just fine?

As long as it can be censored, they'll put an M-rated character (or D-Rated if we want to speak in CERO terms) if they want to put them, end of story.

Yeah, that's part of what I'm saying. They might get characters that are from M rated games or their equivalent but none of them have been included in a way that increases Smash's rating in any region as far as I'm aware.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yeah, that's part of what I'm saying. They might get characters that are from M rated games or their equivalent but none of them have been included in a way that increases Smash's rating in any region as far as I'm aware.

That's because even if it's not accessible to the player, it's still content that's inside the game.

San Andreas got the first AO rating in America for a game that's only accessible through hacking, for example.

So if a Smash DLC causes the rating to be higher than the base game's, then the latter's is now a lie due to that one DLC and thus must be changed accordingly, even if a player never buys that one DLC.

 

[PLATINUM7]

That's because even if it's not accessible to the player, it's still content that's inside the game.

San Andreas got the first AO rating in America for a game that's only accessible through hacking, for example.

So if a Smash DLC causes the rating to be higher than the base game's, then the latter's is now a lie due to that one DLC and thus must be changed accordingly, even if a player never buys that one DLC.

That's different to where I live. DLC and base game get separate ratings.

I assumed that was how most rating boards work as the SNK 40th Anniversary Collection specifically only offered some games as DLC to keep the base game rating down.

 

[PLANTMAN]

Since I was asked earlier, here's the template that I used to make my roster image:

And here's it with the known characters, with and without the logos.

(It might not be exactly the same as what I had before; I had to make a new image to make it so it was just the confirmed characters)

I used different-coloured rectangles and moved them to the back layer to get the backgrounds, and I looked up transparent images of the characters/logos and shrunk them down to make them fit before moving them back so they're in the layer between the template and the background. (for PhotoImpact, it's Control + Shift + Enter to shrink the images; I don't know if it's the same for other programs, but it brings up a menu called Object Properties, and I can shrink the image by a percent)

Hopefully the transparent sections work; transparency is pretty finicky for PhotoImpact, at least.

@SpectreJordan

While it isn’t your template I’ve filled mine out

 

[Michael the Spikester]

78: Ryu Hayabusa
79: Cinderace
80: Master Chief
81: Rex

If anyone could.

 

[Dr.DonPatch64]

I frankly don't see how an American ratings board will affect the chances of a character in a Japanese game.

Especially when the ESRB started messing with the title logos in presentations after the Pass' lineup was decided.

"Oh they can't show the [insert M-Rated game here] logo in America anymore, guess they'll need to scrap this character then." is such a poor excuse to gatekeep without any real reason other than being a jerk that I'm surprised it's even considered.

Ok, I just was asking

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That's different to where I live. DLC and base game get separate ratings.

I assumed that was how most rating boards work as the SNK 40th Anniversary Collection specifically only offered some games as DLC to keep the base game rating down.

DLC and base game also get separate ratings.

What I said typically applies to when the higher-rated DLC can be seen by players without having to purchase it, usually though playing online.

For an extreme example that would never happen but is still good at getting my point across, if Doomguy had a move where it actually rips off the foe's head, that would raise the base game rating because someone who didn't buy the DLC can see it anyway due to online play.

 

[DarthEnderX]

and Duck Hunt, the 22nd best selling game of all time (and 2nd best selling NES game overall)

Which still came out before the vast majority of Smash players were even born, and has had no releases since then.

Making it...lesser known.

 

[KillerCage]

While it isn’t your template I’ve filled mine out
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Basically my predictions.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So has any active Insiders say any particular date in October. Mainly if it's a date that would line up for the next partner Direct for this month.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly, if we're going off of Glitches, then Samus and Dark Samus could be used as the Main Base for a More Grounded Zoner. Someone like maybe, Reimu? Reimu is on the more anime Esc side. Or potentially even the Bard from FFXIV as a unique Archer Style Fighter.

Definitely not Reimu. Ain't nuthin' grounded about Touhou characters.

Also I don't see how a tall woman could be the basis for a short...is Reimu a child? Stranger things have been claimed though.

 

[Shroob]

Definitely not Reimu. Ain't nuthin' grounded about Touhou characters.

Also I don't see how a tall woman could be the basis for a short...is Reimu a child? Stranger things have been claimed though.

Considering Touhou's fluid canonicity, Reimu is whatever the hell you want her to be.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Which still came out before the vast majority of Smash players were even born, and has had no releases since then.

Making it...lesser known.

I think a lot of people nowadays would have learned about it from Warioware; the majority of Warioware games have it as a microgame.

 

[Sc_Ev0lution]

Definitely not Reimu. Ain't nuthin' grounded about Touhou characters.

Also I don't see how a tall woman could be the basis for a short...is Reimu a child? Stranger things have been claimed though.

Reimu doesn't have a canon age afaik, but considering she regularly drinks alcohol I'd guess she's late teens at the youngest. In smash Reimu would probably be in line with the height of most of the female fighters, and take inspiration from the proportions of the second generation fighting games rather than aim for a chibi look.

Spoiler: Reimu T-pose

If you want to be technical, while the games are vague enough you'd think Touhou would have a sliding timescale, the canon manga (plural) that run alongside the games have years pass, and besides which the games cycle through seasons and event in past games are often referenced. This would mean if Reimu is, for example, 16 in Touhou 6, she'd be close to 25 in Touhou 17

This also doesn't account for the PC98 games, 1-5, where Reimu seems to be considerably younger, though that may be the art style. However, Touhou's popularity majorly increased after switching to Windows, so I doubt Reimu's purple-haired incarnation would be more than an alternate costume.

 

[cashregister9]

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[Rie Sonomura]

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is this loss

 

[Shroob]

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"Thinkin' about dem beansEndermen."

 

[AceAttorney9000]

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[chocolatejr9]

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Ah yes, my favorite Earthbound party member: Endy.

 

[Shroob]

On the topic of Reimu, I feel like she's supposed to be in her late teens/20's.

She's constantly shown getting drunk/hammered, and the legal drinking age in Japan is 20.

 

[Mamboo07]

Since I was asked earlier, here's the template that I used to make my roster image:

And here's it with the known characters, with and without the logos.

(It might not be exactly the same as what I had before; I had to make a new image to make it so it was just the confirmed characters)

I used different-coloured rectangles and moved them to the back layer to get the backgrounds, and I looked up transparent images of the characters/logos and shrunk them down to make them fit before moving them back so they're in the layer between the template and the background. (for PhotoImpact, it's Control + Shift + Enter to shrink the images; I don't know if it's the same for other programs, but it brings up a menu called Object Properties, and I can shrink the image by a percent)

Hopefully the transparent sections work; transparency is pretty finicky for PhotoImpact, at least.

@SpectreJordan

I gave it a try!
And... I can't upload it cause of image problems.

 

[BernkastelWitch]

On the topic of Reimu, I feel like she's supposed to be in her late teens/20's.

She's constantly shown getting drunk/hammered, and the legal drinking age in Japan is 20.

Alcohol is always a bit of a big thing in Touhou so 99% of the cast are adults and Youkai who probably don't follow such alcohol rules to begin with.

And yeah. Touhou is weird in the sense that it has vague canonicity due to ZUN intentionally being vague on a lot of info for fans to fill in so a lot of characters can be anything you imagine. This would make me wonder how they'll implement her if they somehow get her in. Would they go full-on ZUN style? Twilight Frontiers style? Or a unique anime-esque style? That is the fun idea if Reimu were to get in: Even if Sakurai is keen on having a character be accurate from their home game, there's loads of potential how you can go with Reimus style here.

 

[BlondeLombax]

On the topic of Reimu, I feel like she's supposed to be in her late teens/20's.

She's constantly shown getting drunk/hammered, and the legal drinking age in Japan is 20.

Alcohol is always a bit of a big thing in Touhou so 99% of the cast are adults and Youkai who probably don't follow such alcohol rules to begin with.

Yeah, considering one of the songs is literally called "Drunk as I Like," I imagine booze plays a bit of a part in the franchise canon.
I've never played Touhou, I've just heard the song in a handful GMod animations (usually (but surpisingly enough, not always) featuring the Demoman).

 

[SirBillyBob]

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And they said GTA couldn't get into Smash.

EDIT:The original tweet was deleted. It originally stated how Minecraft Steve is a low-poly model of Tommy Vercetti from GTA. It has since been revealed to be false info.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

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[AceAttorney9000]

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And they said GTA couldn't get into Smash.

So in a way, we did get a GTA protagonist in Smash... just not CJ or the GTAV trio.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

didn't they just port his **** directly from minecraft

Tbf Min Min's model was taken directly from ARMS but she used Falcon as a base. Not that it matters as we have cases like Plant using Bowser Jr. as a base, when the reason this question was asked is likely to try and validate Glitch theory, which never panned out to anything and never will

 

[DevaAshera]

Tbf Min Min's model was taken directly from ARMS but she used Falcon as a base. Not that it matters as we have cases like Plant using Bowser Jr. as a base, when the reason this question was asked is likely to try and validate Glitch theory, which never panned out to anything and never will

Nah, there are differences between Min Min's ARMS & Smash Models, same goes for Steve's actually..I noticed he's a bit taller in Smash.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Nah, there are differences between Min Min's ARMS & Smash Models, same goes for Steve's actually..I noticed he's a bit taller in Smash.

Do you mean the model or textures? There's a difference as Xenoblade DE also just reuses every model but the textures are different

 

[Cyberfire]

Here's a cool fact:

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And they said GTA couldn't get into Smash.

One of the reasons I love Minecraft's inclusion is that so many fun goofy things like this are now linked with Smash.

Another one I can think of is Enderman being a Slenderman reference, in fact I think Notch got the name from a random Reddit comment.

 

[Mamboo07]

Are there any major potential differences between them?

-Both are green
-Both are iconic and famous
-Both of them take on otherworldly creatures (Demons and Flood)

 

[Koopaul]

Are there any major potential differences between them?

-Both are green
-Both are iconic and famous
-Both of them take on otherworldly creatures (Demons and Flood)

The major difference is personality. Master Cheif would fight like a professional whereas Doom Slayer would be more beserker and wild. For me the huge deal is the stage and music. Doom wins this one. The stage potential for Doom is way better than Halo. And the music is better too. Well... in my opinion.

 

[Mamboo07]

The major difference is personality. Master Cheif would fight like a professional whereas Doom Slayer would be more beserker and wild. For me the huge deal is the stage and music. Doom wins this one. The stage potential for Doom is way better than Halo. And the music is better too. Well... in my opinion.

A Doom stage would be kinda too bloody and satanic...