Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Wunderwaft]

Now I don't know how long it usually takes for the gaming, but for the film industry it took about a year for all the courts in the world to approve of the Disney and Fox merger.

But with the gaming industry certain contracts are usual remain for certain games to come to certain platforms. For example Ghostwire Tokyo and Deathloop are timed PS5 exclusives and will likely remain one and Doom Eternal will still come to Switch like The Outer Worlds still came to Switch and PS4 and Hellblade came to Switch after MS bought their respective developers. But for game's in likely pre-production such as Elder Scrolls 6 and the next Doom game, there might not be a PS5 and Switch version of those games due to those contracts possibly not being signed yet to bring those games to those platforms.

I can answer that actually

Microsoft expects the Bethesda acqusition to close between January and June of 2021 fyi

— Brad Sams (@bdsams) September 21, 2020

EDIT: And speak of the devil we have confirmation on the status of the previous contracts

To answer the question everyone is asking: Phil Spencer tells @dinabass that Xbox plans to honor the PS5 exclusivity commitment for Deathloop and Ghostwire: Tokyo.

Future Bethesda games will be on Xbox, PC, and "other consoles on a case by case basis." https://t.co/Agyttr53LO

— Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier) September 21, 2020

 

[Schnee117]

Actually I do got a question about the Bethasda buyout

Does anyone know how long these types of buyouts usually take, and how long it takes for the news to be Public. Depending on when Microsoft was acquiring Bethesda and how long it might take, it's possible other companies, like Nintendo, could have known about this acquisition for longer than we might expect...which could have certain implications

Other companies probably didn't know because Deathloop and Ghostwire are still timed PS5 exclusives (Microsoft are honouring those deals) and Sony was apparently trying to moneyhat Starfield.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Other companies probably didn't know because Deathloop and Ghostwire are still timed PS5 exclusives (Microsoft are honouring those deals) and Sony was apparently trying to moneyhat Starfield.

During the PS5 event last week, I mentioned to my Brother during the Deathloop segment, could you image the reaction if Sony manage to get Starfield as a timed console exclusive? That would certainly be something especially now.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Let's focus on the most important thing about this news:













How does this affect Commander Keen's chances of getting in Smash?

 

[7NATOR]

So from What I'm reading, it seems like this acquisition is Very Recent, and it seems to have gone through the talking phase and into the early phases of settling the legal matters perhaps

It was said it took Disney and Fox a year to settle everything in court, though I don't know what talks came before that, and that also is a different industry.

In any case, I don't think any other company knew about this until recently. so those Implications that they added something like Vault boy when they knew Bethesda were getting bought out are probably not a thing.

 

[SKX31]

Get ready for the Green Space Marine Civil War

Nope. That's because:



Watch them hug each other instead.



(I'm never going to stop using the 40K webseries "If the Emperor had a Text-To-Speech device" for reaction images.)

Aaaaand, speak of the devil:

TFW you realise Phil spent $7.5bn on an entire publisher just so it could own Tango Gameworks pic.twitter.com/OCk1VLxv50

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) September 21, 2020

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Nope. That's because:



Aaaaand, speak of the devil:

TFW you realise Phil spent $7.5bn on an entire publisher just so it could own Tango Gameworks pic.twitter.com/OCk1VLxv50

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) September 21, 2020

Pour one out for the staff at Tango Game works, because no one from their home country is gonna buy their game's after Ghostwire Tokyo.

 

[Droodle]

Pour one out for the staff at Tango Game works, because no one from their home country is gonna buy their game's after Ghostwire Tokyo.

Actually speaking, PC gaming is becoming more popular in Japan nowadays; so I can definitely see Microsoft's Xbox/PC model working pretty well in this case.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I'm actually going to be an optimist and say that Master Chief vs. Doom Slayer won't be any worse than any other intracompany debate that occurs. Banjo v. Steve only got so bad because both of those characters were longstanding, major players that had serious emotional weight behind them and vastly different implications for what Ultimate's DLC would be like behind their possible inclusions. It took a lot of escalation over a lot of time to have things reach the state they did. I don't see that specific lighting striking twice for Master Chief and Doom Marine.

There's also the fact that Grotesque Steve was a thing and made basically both sides miserable.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm actually going to be an optimist and say that Master Chief vs. Doom Slayer won't be any worse than any other intracompany debate that occurs. Banjo v. Steve only got so bad because both of those characters were longstanding, major players that had serious emotional weight behind them and vastly different implications for what Ultimate's DLC would be like behind their possible inclusions. It took a lot of escalation over a lot of time to have things reach the state they did. I don't see that specific lighting striking twice for Master Chief and Doom Marine.

I agree, it is very difficult to surpass the worst of the v. Steve debates. As a Steve fan, both sides were atrocious.

 

[cashregister9]

Steve Vs. Banjo only got that bad because 4chan is a thing and whenever 4chan gets involved everything becomes miserable

 

[Deleted member]

Any future war in Smash will never get as bad as v. Steve. I will say v. Steve was the worst war in Ultimate speculation.

For crying out loud, someone made porn of grotesque Steve and Banjo.

In my opinion, both sides were quite toxic.

Steve Vs. Banjo only got that bad because 4chan is a thing and whenever 4chan gets involved everything becomes miserable

4chan is a disease to society...

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Steve Vs. Banjo only got that bad because 4chan is a thing and whenever 4chan gets involved everything becomes miserable

Basically it all boil down to zoomers who knew how to make 3D models and discovered /v/ to unleash that hell on the Smash fandom.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

There's also the fact that Grotesque Steve was a thing and made basically both sides miserable.

Lmao that's like saying Isaac's hard to discuss because of earthquake conspiracy theorists

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So...am I the only one absolutely terrified for the third party characters already in Smash Ultimate?

With Microsoft buying out Bethesda, it feels like we're about to enter an arms race between them and Sony in how many studios they can just buy out. It feels like now that the likes of SEGA, Capcom, Square-Enix, Konami, Bandai Namco, etc are all in danger.

Obviously if Microsoft got one of them, it might not be the end of the world, considering they've been proven to be collaborative with Banjo's inclusion, but like, what if one of them got bought by Sony? That right there feels like a complete RIP to their characters ever appearing in future games.

Not too long ago I heard a rumor about Sony trying to purchase Metal Gear and Castlevania from Konami. That makes me worried for the franchises and Snake, Simon, and Richter most likely never returning to Smash if that is true.

 

[BZocky]

Doomguy in Killer Instinct needs to happen

 

[Deleted member]

It's probably because Nintendo fans aren't usually into hardcore FPS, but you are seriously undermining how people are attached to old DOOM and Halo

Especially Halo, where it's fandom is never pleased on whatever 434 dose

Yes, it may get toxic, but did you see how atrocious v. Steve was? Both sides got extremely toxic.

I feel like the DOOM vs. Halo war if it happens will be more mature.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Doomguy in Killer Instinct needs to happen

Killer Instinct needs to come (again) first though.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Not too long ago I heard a rumor about Sony trying to purchase Metal Gear and Castlevania from Konami. That makes me worried for the franchises and Snake, Simon, and Richter most likely never returning to Smash if that is true.

Those rumours were said to be bull**** by pretty much everyone and the source of said rumours is known to be baseless clickbait iirc

 

[Ivander]

Not too long ago I heard a rumor about Sony trying to purchase Metal Gear and Castlevania from Konami. That makes me worried for the franchises and Snake, Simon, and Richter most likely never returning to Smash if that is true.

Are we sure that's not recent? Cause aside from Bethesda, I saw Konami trending as well. And unsurprisingly, it was more people speculating or wanting Sony or Microsoft to buy a company like Capcom or Konami.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Are we sure that's not recent? Cause aside from Bethesda, I saw Konami trending as well. And unsurprisingly, it was more people speculating or wanting Sony or Microsoft to buy a company like Capcom or Konami.

It was around a couple of months ago when I heard that rumor.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Are we sure that's not recent? Cause aside from Bethesda, I saw Konami trending as well. And unsurprisingly, it was more people speculating or wanting Sony or Microsoft to buy a company like Capcom or Konami.

I've already seen people speculating that Nintendo could buy Koei Tecmo to counter this move. Dear god, I am worried about the implications that MS just unleashed on the industry with this purchase.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I've already seen people speculating that Nintendo could buy Koei Tecmo to counter this move. Dear god, I am worried about the implications that MS just unleashed on the industry with this purchase.

I think those people are just absolute babies who haven't seen this **** happen or didn't care about the stuff it's happened to in the entertainment industry

 

[Animegamingnerd]

I think those people are just absolute babies who haven't seen this **** happen or didn't care about the stuff it's happened to in the entertainment industry

They also fail to do basic research for a kinda move like this to happen, its more then possible that Sony and Nintendo can't even afford to counter this move without taking on a bunch of debt or even a huge a loss. MS bought Bethesda for 7 billion dollars, meanwhile entirety of Sony's operating profits for last year was 8 billion dollars. MS is a 1.5 trillion dollar company while Sony is 100 Million and Nintendo 88 million. Not to mention Bethesda was one of the few major publishers to be privately owned and not on the stockmarket for investors to buy stocks, unlike most game publishers.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

not sure how Microsoft doing this relates to the mii costume picture being real to some people

 

[TheBeastHimself]

My only concern about Microsoft owning Bethesda is: if Nintendo gets on "bad" terms with Microsoft again and their relationship becomes strictly business/competition, then that's a lot of potential and hugely iconic characters out the window for Smash. Bethesda is like a gold mine for gaming franchises.

 

[SKX31]

Killer Instinct needs to come (again) first though.

KI's done pretty well - it's still played by its hardcore, and was going to be one of the games featured in EVO Online 2020 due to its netplay being good (before that was canned). So I could definetely see a sequel on the Series X.

I've already seen people speculating that Nintendo could buy Koei Tecmo to counter this move. Dear god, I am worried about the implications that MS just unleashed on the industry with this purchase.

Looks at EA's long history, including some AAA publishers at the time they were bought.

Afraid to say that's not a new phenomenon. And there's the whole other wrinkle of other megacorps like Tencent.

I think those people are just absolute babies who haven't seen this **** happen or didn't care about the stuff it's happened to in the entertainment industry

The latter makes up the majority of them I'd wager - or those who see Megacorp X handling Intellectual Property Y as worth it regardless of any long term effects. I'd also wager that that's one of the main reasons why some want Konami bought out wholesale. "Imagine what Sony themselves could do with MGS / Castlevania!" (while forgetting / ignoring the fact that the Spider-Man movies have generally had a kinda wonky time under the last 10 years of Sony ownership, for example).

They also fail to do basic research for a kinda move like this to happen, its more then possible that Sony and Nintendo can't even afford to counter this move without taking on a bunch of debt or even a huge a loss. MS bought Bethesda for 7 billion dollars, meanwhile entirety of Sony's operating profits for last year was 8 billion dollars. MS is a 1.5 trillion dollar company while Sony is 100 Million and Nintendo 88 million. Not to mention Bethesda was one of the few major publishers to be privately owned and not on the stockmarket for investors to buy stocks, unlike most game publishers.

Excuse me, but is the "million" for both Sony and Nintendo a typo and you meant "Billion"?

 

[StarBot]

I've already seen people speculating that Nintendo could buy Koei Tecmo to counter this move. Dear god, I am worried about the implications that MS just unleashed on the industry with this purchase.

Nintendo bought Monolith Soft and nobody bats an eye
Nintendo thinking about buying Koei Tecmo and Animegamingnerd losers there mind

 

[Animegamingnerd]

My only concern about Microsoft owning Bethesda is: if Nintendo gets on "bad" terms with Microsoft again and their relationship becomes strictly business/competition, then that's a lot of potential and hugely iconic characters out the window for Smash. Bethesda is like a gold mine for gaming franchises.

Yup all it really takes in fact is just a slight change in executive leadership in MS that decides to bring us back to the 360 era when it comes to MS relationship with Nintendo. Nintendo fans shouldn't being taking this news as good news, its more then possible this relationship between both Nintendo and MS won't lost forever.

Nintendo bought Monolith Soft and nobody bats an eye
Nintendo thinking about buying Koei Tecmo and Animegamingnerd losers there mind

That is a bit different there since Monolithsoft wasn't a publisher in fact and the game's they did make usually flopped prior to the acquisition. But I am not fond of a major publisher buying another major publisher especially one of said major publishers is a first party. I hate to see the gaming industry become like the movie where are only 5 or 6 major companies at most.

 

[zeldasmash]

They also fail to do basic research for a kinda move like this to happen, its more then possible that Sony and Nintendo can't even afford to counter this move without taking on a bunch of debt or even a huge a loss. MS bought Bethesda for 7 billion dollars, meanwhile entirety of Sony's operating profits for last year was 8 billion dollars. MS is a 1.5 trillion dollar company while Sony is 100 Million and Nintendo 88 million. Not to mention Bethesda was one of the few major publishers to be privately owned and not on the stockmarket for investors to buy stocks, unlike most game publishers.

Pretty sure Nintendo and Sony are worth billions. Sony in sales are worth 70 billion. Nintendo is around 37 billion. Microsoft is worth more then them though.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Considering the Metro interview, it may actually be Dragonborn vs Chief instead, though considering negotiations could've been done before the buyout even started, it might not affect FP2 anyway.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Yup all it really takes in fact is just a slight change in executive leadership in MS that decides to bring us back to the 360 era when it comes to MS relationship with Nintendo. Nintendo fans shouldn't being taking this news as good news, its more then possible this relationship between both Nintendo and MS won't lost forever.

Exactly. Nintendo and Microsoft will always be competitors. They may have respect for each other, but once there is a conflict of interests, this new "relationship" will go out the window. The only reason the two companies are collaborating so much recently is because it's good PR and makes audiences intrigued. Two rivals don't usually work together, so it's like a spectacle until that affect wears off.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Exactly. Nintendo and Microsoft will always be competitors. They may have respect for each other, but once there is a conflict of interests, this new "relationship" will go out the window. The only reason the two companies are collaborating so much recently is because it's good PR and makes audiences intrigued. Two rivals don't usually work together, so it's like a spectacle until that affect wears off.

Microsoft could have easily broken off the PS5 exclusivity deals but they didn't. They don't really care too much, good PR isn't a long-lasting idea either

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Exactly. Nintendo and Microsoft will always be competitors. They may have respect for each other, but once there is a conflict of interests, this new "relationship" will go out the window. The only reason the two companies are collaborating so much recently is because it's good PR and makes audiences intrigued. Two rivals don't usually work together, so it's like a spectacle until that affect wears off.

Not to mention MS is only publishing the indie games they own, (even they didn't own the IP rights to Cuphead). None of their major AAA exclusives have to Switch, closest was The Outer World's and Hellblade, but contracts were already in place for that port by the time the acquisition happened .

Microsoft could have easily broken off the PS5 exclusivity deals but they didn't. They don't really care too much, good PR isn't a long-lasting idea either

I am not sure if that is the case of just willing to do so, rather then a case of it being they aren't legally allow to without Sony's approval. I am sure MS would want to have Deathloop and Ghostwire on Series X in time for both game's release espically since that would be a better PR move then keeping them PS5 exclusive, but legally can't as right now.

Pretty sure Nintendo and Sony are worth billions. Sony in sales are worth 70 billion. Nintendo is around 37 billion. Microsoft is worth more then them though.

crap meant to write billions, that is what I get for only getting 4 hours of sleep due to writing a cover letter and playing Among Us until 3:30 last night.

 

[Deleted member]

I think those people are just absolute babies

Speaking of babies, I am a huge baby in here.

 

[I.D.]

Nintendo bought Monolith Soft and nobody bats an eye

Nintendo essentially saved them from Namco lmao

 

[Lamperouge]

Speaking of babies, I am a huge baby in here.

why do you keep putting yourself down like that

 

[Deleted member]

I've already seen people speculating that Nintendo could buy Koei Tecmo to counter this move. Dear god, I am worried about the implications that MS just unleashed on the industry with this purchase.

Why do people want already huge corporations to be larger? Monopolies are dangerous, people.

 

[Calamitas]

why do you keep putting yourself down like that

I think she might just be talking about how young she is in relation to everyone else here.

 

[Deleted member]

I think those people are just absolute babies who haven't seen this **** happen or didn't care about the stuff it's happened to in the entertainment industry

Gwen speaks facts. Too bad I am blocked by her.

I think she might just be talking about how young she is in relation to everyone else here.

I am older than some people in here, lol. Seventeen isn't that young.