Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[LiveStudioAudience]

The controls are 64 DS's biggest problem. Playing it on the 3DS or via Wii U Emulation solves some of that, but not all of it.

An ideal form would have the content (and some of the graphical updates) from the DS version and the controls of the N64 version.

 

[Perkilator]

Maybe...call me crazy (and even then I'm keeping expectations low), but maybe (assuming there's no late event for this week) we're somewhat close to the reveal of CP7?

 

[Shroob]

The controls are 64 DS's biggest problem. Playing it on the 3DS or via Wii U Emulation solves some of that, but not all of it.

An ideal form would have the content (and some of the graphical updates) from the DS version and the controls of the N64 version.

That doesn't solve any of it.


64DS is programmed to only go in 8 directions, not a full 360 movement that the original game on N64 had. Even if you use the 3DS's circle pad, you're effectively just using a round D-pad.


There are unofficial fan-hacks to add in 360 movement to 64DS, but newer hardware doesn't change it when the game is programmed for only 8 movement directions.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

hey so still no spirit event or tourney but we got this:

pic.twitter.com/40kftZlneA

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) September 2, 2020

l o o k i n g c o o l , j o k e r

Sega gang representing.

 

[Shroob]

I feel like I'd like 64DS if Yoshi and Wario felt... necessary?


Like, outside of 1 star in Snowman's Land, do you ever 'need' to use Yoshi after you unlock Mario?


And Wario.... is probably the worst character to play as, period. Slow, can barely jump, you use him to break black bricks and the metal cap, you could replace him entirely with the Metal Cap being given to Mario and you'd lose absolutely nothing.


At least Luigi is broken as hell.... which causes its own set of problems and more-or-less invalidates Mario's existence aside from Bowser fights.

 

[epicmartin7]

So apparently, the Nintendo Direct Archive Page was updated today.

Of course, don't get any hopes up, but it is fascinating.

 

[Shroob]

So apparently, the Nintendo Direct Archive Page was updated today.
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Of course, don't get any hopes up, but it is fascinating.

And now

Your weekly dose of "Everyone loses their goddamn minds".

 

[SharkLord]

So apparently, the Nintendo Direct Archive Page was updated today.
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Of course, don't get any hopes up, but it is fascinating.

Interesting. Has it ever updated like this out of nowhere before?

 

[epicmartin7]

Interesting. Has it ever updated like this out of nowhere before?

This is something I have never tracked the full history of (and trying to go back now would be a pain in the bottom dollar, believe me I tried), however, this occurrence I believe has been pointed out in the past near a direct announcement. So... I guess take that for what you will. Although, definitely still keep a grain of salt as website maintenance can indeed be a thing.

 

[Shroob]

Well, this coupled with apparently no Tournament/Spirit Event happening this week DOES raise some eyebrows.


Remain cautious, but this 'may' be it, coupled with King Zell saying that the 3rd is a big day.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Even if a Nintendo Direct finally gets announced some people are going to be like this after it happens.

 

[SneakyLink]

Even if a Nintendo Direct finally gets announced some people are going to be like this after it happens.

No idea what this is from but it sums up how I react to directs.

 

[Shroob]

Even if a Nintendo Direct finally gets announced some people are going to be like this after it happens.

Considering it's been over a year since the last full Direct and not a Mini, that's not even a guess, that's a foregone conclusion.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

I just want that 64 remaster to be real. Especially if they finally add two player co-op and Mario and Luigi can roam the castle together at last.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I just want that 64 remaster to be real. Especially if they finally add two player co-op and Mario and Luigi can roam the castle together at last.

Silly RealLuigisWearPink . Don't you know player 2 has to be a flying critter with extremely limited ways to interact with the world?

 

[Cosmic77]

Even if a Nintendo Direct finally gets announced some people are going to be like this after it happens.

"That's it?! That's the Nintendo Direct?!"

*Boiling kettle noises are heard as face turns red.

"NINTENDO BETRAYED US!!!"

 

[Slime Master]

I'm a little late to this but just thought I'd mention: I played Mario Galaxy last week with a PS4 controller and it was fine. Using the right stick for the pointer was only slightly clunky for collecting star bits or particularly involved pull star segments, but I think that could be easily fixed (as far as I could tell the emulator wouldn't let me speed up the pointer movement, which was a big part of it). Nothing else in that game really needs motion controls.

 

[StrangeKitten]

Same here. They’re my mains & fit my playstyle like a glove. I was just playing some sets with my buddy last night & doing well with them. :’)

Who does everyone here main? In addition to Banjo, Joker is my co-main. While Lucina & Wario are my secondaries.

I love Terry too, but IDK if I’d consider him one of my mains. I’ve been playing some Hero recently & really liking him, might throw him into the mix more often. FP1 was really kind to me lol

Joker/Incineroar co-main here. Ike, Shulk, and Pokemon Trainer as secondaries. And then, I have a K Rool specifically for free-for-alls because I think he becomes really strong in that format. And a Yoshi because my boyfriend mains Yoshi and how can I not double Yoshi exploshi if we play doubles? Then a bunch of others for fun/specific matchups, and learning the game with different playstyles to develop better fundamentals.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

"That's it?! That's the Nintendo Direct?!"

*Boiling kettle noises are heard as face turns red.

"NINTENDO BETRAYED US!!!"

"I'M GONNA GET RID OF ALL MY SMASH BROS STUFF!!"
*RIPS smash underwear off
"I'M GONNA RUN AWAY THAT'S WHAT I'LL DO! RUN AWAY!! sobs"

Smash logo comes on tv screen revealing a newcomer.

 

[MisterMike]

Add a damn Gyromite stage already, ROB can’t afford to rent Mario Bros. any more

R.O.B. is a toy. Video games are also toys. Therefore, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate itself is R.O.B.'s home stage.

So apparently, the Nintendo Direct Archive Page was updated today.
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Of course, don't get any hopes up, but it is fascinating.

Hmm, very interesting! Hopefully this means something. (inb4 King Zell was actually hinting at something with his final message and a Direct gets announced tomorrow morning for the 3rd)

I just want that 64 remaster to be real. Especially if they finally add two player co-op and Mario and Luigi can roam the castle together at last.

Complete "Pie-In-The-Sky" hope, but I'd absolutely love this collection to be paired with the '95 demo of Super Mario 64.

 

[andree123]

So apparently, the Nintendo Direct Archive Page was updated today.
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Of course, don't get any hopes up, but it is fascinating.

Does anyone expect this to be another Nintendo mini Direct Partners Showcase or no?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Does anyone expect this to be another Nintendo mini Direct Partners Showcase or no?

Needs a couple more weeks.

 

[Shroob]

Does anyone expect this to be another Nintendo mini Direct Partners Showcase or no?

It's possible, but so far every Partner showcase we've gotten was near the end of the month.


Them updating this at the beginning of the month seems to point otherwise, granted, this is also based off nothing more than both our minis coming out around the end of their months and nothing more.

 

[Calamitas]

So apparently, the Nintendo Direct Archive Page was updated today.
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Of course, don't get any hopes up, but it is fascinating.

At this point I'm not even batting an eye on this. It has been too long already.

Speaking of which, it's officially 365 days since the last general Direct now.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

Another leaker is out of the running........good
Now hopefully we get less leaks about anything

 

[XorahnGaia]

Honestly, if anyone doubts that the Mario collection exists purely because "it's too good to be true" or "it's too big to be announced on Twitter/outside of a big direct" I'll have you know that it's extremely likely that the games included won't be more than simple remasters.

NateDrake described Mario 64 to be on the same level as the Turok ports on the Switch, and while his credibility has taken a nosedive in the last month, at the end of the day the reason we even know about this collection is because of insiders like him, so I see no reason to consider this to be the most likely outcome. There's also no sign that Galaxy 2 would be included, so it really seems that haven't put much effort into it.

But even without those rumors, I don't think we should expect anything special. A simple collection of ports with no additional content or major graphical overall sold at 60 dollarydoos for the big Mario anniversary it's something that Nintendo would do.

 

[Shroob]

Honestly, if anyone doubts that the Mario collection exists purely because "it's too good to be true" or "it's too big to be announced on Twitter/outside of a big direct" I'll have you know that it's extremely likely that the games included won't be more than simple remasters.

NateDrake described Mario 64 to be on the same level as the Turok ports on the Switch, and while his credibility has taken a nosedive in the last month, at the end of the day the reason we even know about this collection is because of insiders like him, so I see no reason to consider this to be the most likely outcome. There's also no sign that Galaxy 2 would be included, so it really seems that haven't put much effort into it.

But even without those rumors, I don't think we should expect anything special. A simple collection of ports with no additional content or major graphical overall sold at 60 dollarydoos for the big Mario anniversary it's something that Nintendo would do.

Oh I more than believe that they'd easily throw it up on Twitter randomly one day/reveal it in a mini Direct.


I'm just cautious about its existence.

We've been waiting on Metroid Prime Trilogy for Switch for years now, and SF GP was leakbait this entire time. I think that the HD remasters could happen sure, but at the same time, we don't even know when we'll even get our next news drop.

 

[Lionfranky]

I was so bored, so I decided to drop some meme.

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

A simple collection of ports with no additional content or major graphical overall sold at 60 dollarydoos for the big Mario anniversary it's something that Nintendo would do.

I mean, are you sure? It wouldn't be the first time...

Spoiler

 

[Shroob]

I mean, are you sure? It wouldn't be the first time...

Spoiler

I think you missed the part where they said "WOULD do."

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

I think you missed the part where they said "WOULD do."

And this is why I need to stop trying to be witty on the internet in the middle of the night. Disregard.

 

[AreJay25]

So, the new Sakurai column leaked, and uh.

Rollback net coding was looked into during development, but it had a lot of adverse side effects. pic.twitter.com/KS7WHiWr7J

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) September 2, 2020

We really could have had better online.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I mean, are you sure? It wouldn't be the first time...

Spoiler

At least it came with a history book and soundtrack. I can't remember what the price was but the Mario Wiki seems to indicate that it was slightly more expensive (makes sense given it's physical and has some extras) or in some regions cheaper than what it would be to buy the games off the Vitrual Console.

Glad I got it for my birthday because I've seen this release marked at insane prices now.

 

[Calamitas]

So, the new Sakurai column leaked, and uh.

Rollback net coding was looked into during development, but it had a lot of adverse side effects. pic.twitter.com/KS7WHiWr7J

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) September 2, 2020

We really could have had better online.

I feel like I should point this out.

i see a lot of "bullshit" in response to this, but keep in mind that smash has a lot more going in that just 1v1s between only two players

rollback could have been problematic with all the random stuff like items, stage hazards and free for alls thrown into the equation https://t.co/nd8MyUWyhb

— Mat! (@MatttGFX) September 2, 2020

Going to RT this, as this is probably the reason.

Smash has a lot of options including stage morph, and everything Matthew said. That stuff might not work well with rollback 100%. https://t.co/oHIotXW6VH

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) September 2, 2020

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

What game is Rollback Netcode from? How would it work in Smash? It must be well sought out after if it’s crossovered into so many games nowadays including indies.

Well, consider me a support for Rollback Netcode for Smash and hopefully it‘s FP7! I just wonder what it’s home stage and spirits would be...Regardless, I’m totes maining it if it does - even if it breaks the game and ends up being more OP than Sm4sh Bayo.

 

[Schnee117]

From a dev that has actual experience working with rollback netcode

Yes it can deal with 4 players. Maybe it can deal with 8 but that is a more expensive and unsolved problem. Yes, it can deal with everything in smash, items hazards all of it. Yes, switch hardware could deal with it.

— Keits (Prime) (@TheKeits) October 21, 2019

 

[Cutie Gwen]

From a dev that has actual experience working with rollback netcode

Yes it can deal with 4 players. Maybe it can deal with 8 but that is a more expensive and unsolved problem. Yes, it can deal with everything in smash, items hazards all of it. Yes, switch hardware could deal with it.

— Keits (Prime) (@TheKeits) October 21, 2019

Damn, 8 players isn't even an issue as you can only play with a maximum of 4 people. Smash ****ing sucks man

 

[SKX31]

I feel like I should point this out.

i see a lot of "bullshit" in response to this, but keep in mind that smash has a lot more going in that just 1v1s between only two players

rollback could have been problematic with all the random stuff like items, stage hazards and free for alls thrown into the equation https://t.co/nd8MyUWyhb

— Mat! (@MatttGFX) September 2, 2020

Going to RT this, as this is probably the reason.

Smash has a lot of options including stage morph, and everything Matthew said. That stuff might not work well with rollback 100%. https://t.co/oHIotXW6VH

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) September 2, 2020

Considering the tweet Schnee117 posted here (and the guy's worked on KI and Skullgirls, two rollback games). it sounds like the reasons why rollback wasn't implemented were "time constraints" and "while it's feasible to do, it would take a lot of time and effort to implement". Nintendo might've also balked at the idea since the organization generally been fiscally conservative. However, A) the #FixUltimateOnline uproar, B) Ultimate being pulled from EVO Online (before that was cancelled) and C) Melee getting Slippi's rollback netcoding might've caused some Nintendo head honchos to reconsider that stance.

Still believe that it's possible to implement rollback in Ultimate - perhaps an Ultimate DX port to the next console? Also:

 

[zumaddy]

Why am I suddenly hearing rumours about a Smash reveal coming soon? I took a break from the speculation train but now people seem to be expecting something. Did I miss a hint?

 

[Heoj]

Why am I suddenly hearing rumours about a Smash reveal coming soon? I took a break from the speculation train but now people seem to be expecting something. Did I miss a hint?

I mean i think someone else can explain it better but basically there hasnt been an event tourney/spirit event announced today(or yesterday depending on your timezone) meaning something could be announced this week.