Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[RetrogamerMax]

When September comes and there is still no news:

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That song was absolutely annoying, holy hell I had to pause it multiple of time to clear my heqd

NATE SAY HEY YO YO! WHISPER GO KRAKALAKA BOOM BOOM! THERE'S MORE YOKAI IN IDAHO LIKE CHEEKSQUEAK AND HIS POPO!

...

Yeah it's pretty earwormy. Don't worry though, to my knowledge it isn't in the games at all so there's no chance they'll add it. I wouldn't mind if they did 'cuz I think it's a bop, but they ain't gonna.

...But if we are adding anime themes though gimme Pokémon Theme, We Will Be Heroes, Battle Cry! (Stand Up), Black and White, and Pokémon XYZ's theme (the good one, not the English one. The English one's a snorefest).

I'd like to see why you think Nintendo wouldn't add those characters or franchises, it's a belief I see thrown around a lot and I want to know where it stems from.

I'd have expected people to have a more open mind of what Nintendo would choose given, you know, we just got a character from a game everyone had written off for representation.

The line of logic is that if they don't promote anything Nintendo has going on right now, they have no chance since they don't have the star power to make up for it.

 

[SNEKeater]

Well it looks like Astral Chain 2 has been soft confirmed.

Officer Howard for FP11 LET'S GO.

At the same time, I have a hard time coming up with a first party only pass like what so many seem to want.

As in, first party characters that Nintendo actually cares about promoting. I don't see them selecting stuff like Waluigi, Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, Rhythm Heaven, Isaac, etc and candidates like Paper Mario, Astral Chain and Ring Fit Adventure have already been taken out back with the spirit events. The only other options left that feel possible to me are like, Rex and a new Pokemon, and even they feel a bit dubious.

Yeah. Same.

Of course we could always get a "surprise" 1st party character from a game yet to be announced, but the chances of that aren't really high if you ask me.
In that context, I agree with you, I'm not expecting too many first party characters in this pass, or at least NOT the ones most of the fans support.

Astral Chain and Paper Mario have been pretty much deconfirmed at this point. Same for Ring Fit. Pokémon I'd argue is deconfirmed as well but who knows, it's Pokémon, so I could see an exception in this case. But beyond this? The only first party character that feels likely to me is Rex. Well, and Waluigi because of his popularity.

Maybe we will get Isaac because Nintendo will bring back Golden Sun in some capacity, or maybe we will get a Rhythm Heaven rep because there's a new game coming. But we don't know that at this point so arguing about that is basically a dead end, and with the current info we have and knowing the nature of first party DLC picks so far, I don't feel there are a lot of likely Nintendo candidates.

Not saying "Pass 2 is GONNA BE MASTER CHIEF SORA AND CRASH BANDICOOT" or "we don't need first parties, Isaac and company suck", just that seeing the choices Nintendo has made when it comes to their characters and DLC, which of course could change in the future, I don't see popular requests such as Isaac or the Chorus Kid as likely options for Nintendo if these characters don't receive new games in 1-2 years.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

...or maybe we will get a Rhythm Heaven rep because there's a new game coming.

I was going to reply with "What? No there isn't." but then I realized that this was also a hypothetical.

Sadly, the Rhythm Heaven series is dead so this hypothetical is out of the question.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I honestly don't care anymore at this point who the rest of the DLC characters are, I just want to see them get released and have this game over with. I'm tired of playing the waiting game with Nintendo and I'm ready for this game's speculation season to end.

 

[Dinoman96]

Third party newcomers released as DLC



First party newcomers released as DLC



Yeah, it's not really surprising that people lack faith in Nintendo's decision making when it comes to first party DLC newcomers lol. All we've gotten across Smash 4 and Ultimate thus far are two promotional FE characters, a Mario mook that was supposed to be in the base game, and an ARMS character, which admittedly was a step in the right direction. Compare that to the third parties which feature a bunch of heavy hitters like Ryu, Cloud and Banjo.

The reoccuring theme with the first party characters thus far (outside of PP, which again was supposed to be a base game character) has been new games or series Nintendo is interested in pushing. ARMS is a new core EPD IP that missed the boat for the base game and will most likely be continued by Nintendo going forward, so it does make sense for them to want a character from it. So like, I just can't see being interested a character like Isaac, with Golden Sun being a dead IP (that they technically didn't even make themselves) they clearly have no interest in. Likewise I can't see them being interested in Waluigi considering how little regard they seem to even have for him, especially with their "quality assurance team" keeping him excluded from the mainline platformers.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Third party newcomers released as DLC



First party newcomers released as DLC



Yeah, it's not really surprising that people lack faith in Nintendo's decision making when it comes to first party DLC newcomers lol. All we've gotten across Smash 4 and Ultimate thus far are two promotional FE characters, a Mario mook that was supposed to be in the base game, and an ARMS character, which admittedly was a step in the right direction. Compare that to the third parties which feature a bunch of heavy hitters like Ryu, Cloud and Banjo.

The reoccuring theme with the first party characters thus far (outside of PP, which again was supposed to be a base game character) has been new games or series Nintendo is interested in pushing. ARMS is a new core EPD IP that missed the boat for the base game and will most likely be continued by Nintendo going forward, so it does make sense for them to want a character from it. So like, I just can't see being interested a character like Isaac, with Golden Sun being a dead IP (that they technically didn't even make themselves) they clearly have no interest in. Likewise I can't see them being interested in Waluigi considering how little regard they seem to even have for him, especially with their "quality assurance team" keeping him excluded from the mainline platformers.

It does make me wonder if outside promotional picks for newer IP's, the proverbial player 4's of various franchise (Impa in LoZ, Bandana Dee in Kirby, Dixie Kong in DK, etc) have some chance just by sheer virtue of being franchises Nintendo is still interested in.

 

[SharkLord]

Third party newcomers released as DLC



First party newcomers released as DLC



Yeah, it's not really surprising that people lack faith in Nintendo's decision making when it comes to first party DLC newcomers lol. All we've gotten across Smash 4 and Ultimate thus far are two promotional FE characters, a Mario mook that was supposed to be in the base game, and an ARMS character, which admittedly was a step in the right direction. Compare that to the third parties which feature a bunch of heavy hitters like Ryu, Cloud and Banjo.

The reoccuring theme with the first party characters thus far (outside of PP, which again was supposed to be a base game character) has been new games or series Nintendo is interested in pushing. ARMS is a new core EPD IP that missed the boat for the base game and will most likely be continued by Nintendo going forward, so it does make sense for them to want a character from it. So like, I just can't see being interested a character like Isaac, with Golden Sun being a dead IP (that they technically didn't even make themselves) they clearly have no interest in. Likewise I can't see them being interested in Waluigi considering how little regard they seem to even have for him, especially with their "quality assurance team" keeping him excluded from the mainline platformers.

This is among the most frustrating arguments made because I disagree with it, but it also has a point. On one hand, I strongly believe Isaac has a shot because he's in the same situation as Banjo and Kazooie; Fan-favorites that haven't been seen in very long time. On the other hand, all the first-party DLC so far has been promotional, so it's hard to convince people that popularity will give him a shot. And don't get me started on the AT arguments...

That being said, a couple new (Re: Not renewals) trademarks have cropped up recently. It's not definitive, but it could potentially lead somewhere.

 

[epicmartin7]

So... to kind of relate to the leak earlier. I did some digging, and apparently, Jeux Video does have a URL exploit. As in, you can put anybody's username in the URL, and it will still show the same message with same ID in tow.

Not going to say anything else about the rest of the "leak" as others are doing investigations into it. But I do find this interesting.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

...especially with their "quality assurance team" keeping him excluded from the mainline platformers.

Did..did they just, decide that Waluigi isn't cannon and say he can't be in a mainline anything?

So that confirms it: Nintendo hates creativity unless they're the ones being creative. Waluigi is lucky he still exists, and Toadette is extremely lucky she wasn't shunned alongside him.

Wait, then why are half the Super Mario characters in Super Smash Bros. allowed to exist in the form they do? Mario's personality feels like it came from Super Mario Strikers, Luigi's portrayal seems to have developed independently of where it has everywhere else, Bowser's portrayal is stuck in the '90s, and Piranha Plant has a personality that's completely made up. Wouldn't their quality assurance team take issue with these non-New Super Mario Bros. portrayals of the characters?

 

[Dinoman96]

Wait, then why are half the Super Mario characters in Super Smash Bros. allowed to exist in the form they do? Mario's personality feels like it came from Super Mario Strikers, Luigi's portrayal seems to have developed independently of where it has everywhere else, Bowser's portrayal is stuck in the '90s, and Piranha Plant has a personality that's completely made up. Wouldn't their quality assurance team take issue with these non-New Super Mario Bros. portrayals of the characters?

I think the simple answer is that Sakurai is the golden boy behind one of their biggest selling franchises and Nintendo essentially trusts him enough to let him do whatever with their characters and series.

 

[7NATOR]

So... to kind of relate to the leak earlier. I did some digging, and apparently, Jeux Video does have a URL exploit. As in, you can put anybody's username in the URL, and it will still show the same message with same ID in tow.

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Not going to say anything else about the rest of the "leak" as others are doing investigations into it. But I do find this interesting.

I tried this with a Post I know will work and not redirect to non-existent page or Modded Page

https://www.jeuxvideo.com/beucher32/forums/message/991414862

https://www.jeuxvideo.com/megablaziken/forums/message/991414862

https://www.jeuxvideo.com/micheal/forums/message/991414862

It does work. However on a page that works, it will redirect to the same message with the intended User, and the URL will also change to reflect that.
With that being said if what that 2nd user told me is true, FunkyConnard does exist. Anyway I asked some current mods about this. I don't know how long they have been mods for though, but it could lead to something.

I also asked My fellow Gamefaqs brother (the one that pointed out the Discord message may not be what it seems) about if it's possible to have your nickname obscured on the website. In the pic, the person looking at the topic does not have a Nickname, only the Pic of a girl I don't know. I asked him if it's possible to do that. if not I will close the curtains on the investigation. Yes

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think the simple answer is that Sakurai is the golden boy behind one of their biggest selling franchises and Nintendo essentially trusts him enough to let him do whatever with their characters and series.

Which would mean that, ironically, the only place where Nintendo lets their characters give off a different vibe than they normally do is the only place where they really shouldn't for the most part.

EDIT: Also, if Sakurai does step down for the next game, I would not be surprised if it goes through any sort of development heck due to the lack of trust in whoever takes the reigns.

 

[SharkLord]

Let's inject some more new discussions into the thread.

I've been hearing about this thing called Nioh lately. Apparently it's Koei-Tecmo's best-selling game in the West, which makes it pretty big on that front. Anyone know enough to tell me more about this game?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I've been hearing about this thing called Nioh lately. Apparently it's Koei-Tecmo's best-selling game in the West, which makes it pretty big on that front. Anyone know enough to tell me more about this game?

Nope. I thought it was the sound cars make when they drive by.

EDIT: It seems to be a PlayStation exclusive. That would explain why I've never heard of it if it's so popular.

 

[epicmartin7]

I tried this with a Post I know will work and not redirect to non-existent page or Modded Page

https://www.jeuxvideo.com/beucher32/forums/message/991414862

https://www.jeuxvideo.com/megablaziken/forums/message/991414862

https://www.jeuxvideo.com/micheal/forums/message/991414862

It does work. However on a page that works, it will redirect to the same message with the intended User, and the URL will also change to reflect that.
With that being said if what that 2nd user told me is true, FunkyConnard does exist. Anyway I asked some current mods about this. I don't know how long they have been mods for though, but it could lead to something.

I also asked My fellow Gamefaqs brother (the one that pointed out the Discord message may not be what it seems) about if it's possible to have your nickname obscured on the website. In the pic, the person looking at the topic does not have a Nickname, only the Pic of a girl I don't know. I asked him if it's possible to do that. if not I will close the curtains on the investigation. Yes

The user certainly exists. I've personally seen the profile myself. However, all I'm saying is, the exploit does certainly exist and is certainly something to keep in mind.

 

[7NATOR]

Let's inject some more new discussions into the thread.

I've been hearing about this thing called Nioh lately. Apparently it's Koei-Tecmo's best-selling game in the West, which makes it pretty big on that front. Anyone know enough to tell me more about this game?

It's pretty much Koei's version of Souls in a way, though the Gameplay Obviously is different though. the 2nd Game has you create your own Character, however the first game has it's own Dedicated protagnist, William I believe. I'm not that familiar with the story, but that's just some info on it

 

[Megadoomer]

Let's inject some more new discussions into the thread.

I've been hearing about this thing called Nioh lately. Apparently it's Koei-Tecmo's best-selling game in the West, which makes it pretty big on that front. Anyone know enough to tell me more about this game?

I'm not super familiar with it, but from what I've seen in videos, it looks like Dark Souls, but in feudal/mythological Japan and even less fair.

 

[7NATOR]

The user certainly exists. I've personally seen the profile myself. However, all I'm saying is, the exploit does certainly exist and is certainly something to keep in mind.

I'll keep it in mind

Wait, but if you have seen the profile yourself, and knew of this exploit, then It leads me to believe you're familiar with the site, at least more than me.

With that in mind, since you are here, I need to ask

1.Is it possible to Have your nickname obscured on the website (even when you are browsing, that you yourself can't see it)

2.Do you know this Profile (Girl in the Pic). Alternatively, do you at least know who the girl herself is in that pic

Spoiler: Picture in question

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I'll keep it in mind

Wait, but if you have seen the profile yourself, and knew of this exploit, then It leads me to believe you're familiar with the site, at least more than me.

With that in mind, since you are here, I need to ask

1.Is it possible to Have your nickname obscured on the website (even when you are browsing, that you yourself can't see it)

2.Do you know this Profile (Girl in the Pic). Alternatively, do you at least know who the girl herself is in that pic

Spoiler: Picture in question

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Hold on I'm confused, why is the girl in the profile pic important?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

2.Do you know this Profile (Girl in the Pic). Alternatively, do you at least know who the girl herself is in that pic

I could be way off but it looks like a picture of Arianna Grande.

 

[Arcanir]

The thing you've got to consider about the Nintendo Dream Pokemon poll is that one, it doesn't, to my knowledge, say how many people actually voted, so it may only account for a small slice of the total opinion out there (and therefore, like what you see in Smash polls, the order may completely switch around if conducted elsewhere or again) - and you've got to consider that the demographics which voted may not be indicative of the audience at large.

If you look at the results, every Pokemon was voted for by females more than by males. So, clearly, there were more female responses than male ones. Pokemon does have a proportionately high amount of female players, but they're not the majority, as they were on this poll. So, you just have to consider how the results may look should the poll have had demographics in line with the larger demographics of the series.

Not to impugn any individual placement on that list, it's just to say any given poll isn't somehow "gospel", especially since we know little about its actual sample size.

Remember this?

The most voted for character, Pit, only got 177 points, which I assume are votes. By the teens, the characters are just in the 20s. That's actually less impressive than a number of informal online polls. Don't be swayed just because it's a magazine.

Which is why it's a good idea to also take into account trends between polls. A character doing well on one poll can be just one instance that is reflective of the sample size/bias and the time it was taken, but a character constantly doing well on polls can be more indicative of their overall popularity. A good example of that would be Zygarde and Greninja. For the former it did well on polls around Gen 6, with the Election poll being its best spot (Top 10 overall), but nowadays it doesn't do as well with the PotY poll showing it not only missing the Top 30 overall, but missing the Top 10 of Kalos. With Greninja, while it similarly did well on multiple polls around Gen 6, including the aforementioned Pokemon Election poll where it got first, but also did well on the recent PotY poll where it got first again. So with the trend one didn't maintain its popularity and could be more reflective of the time and sample that was taken for it while the other is consistent in its popularity. So it's easier to conclude Greninja is very well liked among the Pokemon fanbase because it's done well in multiple polls with different times and bias influencing them.

The same thing applies to Smash, a character doing well on one poll doesn't mean it's highly popular among the fanbase at large, it may just be in that one moment that they're popular. If they do well on multiple polls then it may be more indicative of how the overall fanbase (or at least, the fanbase that polls) feels about them. So for instance, the difference between Heavy, who got #1 only on the one poll, compared to Crash, who generally places among the Top 5 within the online fanbase.

 

[epicmartin7]

I'll keep it in mind

Wait, but if you have seen the profile yourself, and knew of this exploit, then It leads me to believe you're familiar with the site, at least more than me.

With that in mind, since you are here, I need to ask

1.Is it possible to Have your nickname obscured on the website (even when you are browsing, that you yourself can't see it)

2.Do you know this Profile (Girl in the Pic). Alternatively, do you at least know who the girl herself is in that pic

Spoiler: Picture in question

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Well, I just signed up for the website yesterday to do some investigating lol. So unfortunately, I don't know the person with that picture. However, what I'm thinking is, since the original picture was taken from a cell phone, I imagine it's probably from a mobile app, or a mobile version of the website. It makes me think that's why the name isn't showing because they had to cut that out of the UI for the mobile website.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Let's inject some more new discussions into the thread.

I've been hearing about this thing called Nioh lately. Apparently it's Koei-Tecmo's best-selling game in the West, which makes it pretty big on that front. Anyone know enough to tell me more about this game?

Very much the love child of Ninja Gaiden and Dark Souls. Heavily inspired by the gameplay of both set in historical japan where you take on the role of William Adams.

Game is a blast and William is a REAL contender for a KT rep aside from Hayabusa.

 

[7NATOR]

Hold on I'm confused, why is the girl in the profile pic important?

I found The other users through Google Advanced Search. It might be a stretch, but if i do the same, but with images, I might be able to find the account in that pic through the Advanced image search, but it's a huge stretch though, but I'll take anything in order to advance this investigation

I could be way off but it looks like a picture of Arianna Grande.

Im gonna look her up and see if she's worn that dress before

Well, I just signed up for the website yesterday to do some investigating lol. So unfortunately, I don't know the person with that picture. However, what I'm thinking is, since the original picture was taken from a cell phone, I imagine it's probably from a mobile app, or a mobile version of the website. It makes me think that's why the name isn't showing because they had to cut that out of the UI for the mobile website.

I didn't even think of Mobile version. That would explain it, and it seems I'm not the only one that had that same idea of investigating either. cool

 

[N3ON]

Respect the dedication but you guys are being taken for a ride with this leak.

It's not even the first time we've had a "leak" like this from jeuxvideo. We're in the reruns now.

 

[7NATOR]

Respect the dedication but you guys are being taken for a ride with this leak.

It's not even the first time we've had a "leak" like this from jeuxvideo. We're in the reruns now.

Even so, I can't automatically throw out the leak despite the history of the Site. If this is the Goldmine, then I can't let it go to waste. Every leak should be looked at on it's own. The legitimacy of the site should be taken into question, but if there is promise, I got to see it to the end.

 

[N3ON]

Even so, I can't automatically throw out the leak despite the history of the Site. If this is the Goldmine, then I can't let it go to waste. Every leak should be looked at on it's own. The legitimacy of the site should be taken into question, but if there is promise, I got to see it to the end.

Godspeed.

 

[TwiceEXE]

Respect the dedication but you guys are being taken for a ride with this leak.

It's not even the first time we've had a "leak" like this from jeuxvideo. We're in the reruns now.

It's better than the reruns about Pokemon or "games" thinly veiled as a way to post most wanted lists in a slightly different format. I'll take fake leaks any day if it brings something new to talk about.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I can confirm that on the mobile version on the site your name don't appear after your image on top (I wanted to post a screenshot but image won't post for some reason).

Also, I've messaged the mods directly on the site to see if anyone recall seeing or deleting that post, but nobody respond.

 

[N3ON]

It's better than the reruns about Pokemon or "games" thinly veiled as a way to post most wanted lists in a slightly different format. I'll take fake leaks any day if it brings something new to talk about.

If you believe the only option is to keep extremely dubious leaks alive despite them not being credible for the sake of refraining from the return to a tired topic, I'd suggest taking door number three and just go do something else.

Because at that rate we may as well go see what HotGirlVideos is claiming nowadays.

I believe fake leaks are best nipped in the bud. If you want to change the conversation, focus on the characters claimed instead of the claim itself.

 

[7NATOR]

I can confirm that on the mobile version on the site your name don't appear after your image on top (I wanted to post a screenshot but image won't post for some reason).

Also, I've messaged the mods directly on the site to see if anyone recall seeing or deleting that post, but nobody respond.

I see we also had the same idea of messaging the mods.

In any case, If there is anyway of being able to look up all the users of Jeuxvideo and their pictures, that would be great, cause otherwise I don't think we'll find the profile in the pic, My Advanced search method with images doesn't work I've seen, It only seems to work with Specific names. investigation lives on

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

What even is the “leak”?

 

[Idon]

What even is the “leak”?

This obviously fake as hell leak coasting on the fact it doesn't even exist anymore.
I honest to God would've hoped we'd have dropped discussion on this by now.

 

[StrangeKitten]

In A Weird world of this would never happen but if it were too how would you react if we truly got Goku as the next fighter in smash

Aw, your post sorta got buried. I would be pretty unhappy if we got Goku. I want Smash to remain video game characters only. Fwiw, Goku is one of few non-video game characters I slightly like the thought of in Smash, because at least he's been in a good number of successful games, and at least his character design has more of a video-game-esque style to it than most non-video game characters. But I hate the can of worms it would open. Are characters like Mickey Mouse, Homer Simpson, Garfield, Peter Griffin, Eric Cartman, and Shrek on the table now? I love some of the characters I listed, but I really do not want them in Smash. I just think characters are an ill fit if they don't originate from video games.

I would be excited for Goku if there was some way to guarantee that he would be the only non-video-game character. The problem is, even if they explicitly state as much, such statements would only be able to hold for the game he's added in. Sakurai has flip-flopped on so many things over the years that by the time we'd be gearing up for Smash 6, speculation would probably start to return to "Does Homer have a chance?" and whatnot. Sakurai also won't be the head of the Smash team forever, so it would be hard to give much weight to such statements when he inevitably passes the torch. And man, Garfield's one of my favorite characters, but I really don't want to be speculating on him getting in as a potential fighter.

I mean no disrespect to anyone who wants non-video-game characters here. I hold no ill will if that's what you want in Smash. I just personally don't want them. I also think video games hold a wealth of potential fighters anyway. I have what, around 30 characters I'd like to see in Smash in my sig? And then there are the characters I don't like very much, like Steve or even Jonesy, who could make a pretty good case for getting added. And then there are the characters hardly anyone talks about - we would have been blindsided by Terry had the SNK leak not happened. And then, when it comes time for Smash 6, who even knows what new video gaming icons will have debuted?

 

[7NATOR]

What even is the “leak”?

SO basically there was a post on the French Board, Jeuxvideo

It was posted back in Febuary. It guessed Min-Min, along with the Vault Boy Mii costume (with no music) and Heihachi's costume returning among other things. It stated that Phoenix Wright, 2B, and a Level-5 Character would be Playable, and that Geno, Sora, and Dante among other characters would be Mii costumes.

The Post was posted to 4chan in a Picture format, however going to the link presented would yield a "Modded Page" meaning the topic was modded by moderators and isn't avaliable anymore

The Reimu Discord asked a "Mod" from the site on whether the leak was fake or not. He said it was fake, so it would have ended there

However apprantly the guy in the picture isn't even a mod on the site. Because of this There's been more investigation from a Few users on this site. CapitaineCrash epicmartin7 , and Myself.

There's more to the leak than meets the eye. All the users in the Pic existed for one, and neither of them were able to confirm, but they didn't deny the leak. It was 6 months form then to now so they don't remember. However the actual leaker, FunkyConnard, did exist, however it seems he's been getting banned or something, and all of his topics modded. There's more to it, but there could be something weird going on and we're trying to get to the bottom of it

 

[zeldasmash]

Am I the only that thinks if Steve gets revealed as the character, Master Chief will be the new Chrom from Smash 4 or even the new Spring Man?

 

[Perkilator]

Am I the only that thinks if Steve gets revealed as the character, Master Chief will be the new Chrom from Smash 4 or even the new Spring Man?

Why? Literally the only thing they have in common is being owned by Microsoft. Plus, in Chrom and Spring Man's case, they were characters from the same game as characters who DID make it.

 

[StrangeKitten]

By the way, if anyone needs help translating French, I can help! I'm far from perfect, but I studied the language for many years

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Am I the only that thinks if Steve gets revealed as the character, Master Chief will be the new Chrom from Smash 4 or even the new Spring Man?

The one that gets officially crapped on for being too similar to Samus?

The one that gets added as an Assist Trophy and a costume and is then crapped on for being the obvious choice for a Halo rep, and then nearly everyone rejoices when it's Spartan-458 instead?

...Probably not.