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Not to mention that kids' cartoons (particularly in the filthy west) were locked in the "hurhurhur random = funny" mindset.
Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, Over the Garden Wall, Infinity Train, Amphibia, The Owl House. All popular animated shows that weren't that ( I've only watched Gravity Falls and Steven Universe of these, but I don't think those other shows fit that category)
 

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Darkstalkers is long overdue for a reboot. I'd certainly buy it because I like the aspect of it as a fighting game revolving around mythical creatures and a horror vibe to it.
It doesn't even need a reboot to be honest. Nothing about it has really aged poorly, and the characters are all really unique. There's like, two characters that I would say a major redesign would justified for, and they could probably just cut Sasquatch and Pyron for someone more interesting if it came to that. Honestly though, they could just make the former's current design cuter and call it a day. Pyron on the other hand is a bit generic.

I think all Darkstalkers needs is a new game with new characters and a cool graphical style. The style of Darkstalkers: Resurrection would be perfect imo, though a more anime look could work as well.
 

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It doesn't even need a reboot to be honest. Nothing about it has really aged poorly, and the characters are all really unique. There's like, two characters that I would say a major redesign would justified for, and they could probably just cut Sasquatch and Pyron for someone more interesting if it came to that. Honestly though, they could just make the former's current design cuter and call it a day. Pyron on the other hand is a bit generic.

I think all Darkstalkers needs is a new game with new characters and a cool graphical style. The style of Darkstalkers: Resurrection would be perfect imo, though a more anime look could work as well.
I guess. I just thought given how long its been since Darkstalkers has had a game that rebooting it would be the best way that way they could redo the whole story again. Imagine a story mode with modern graphics.
 

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2B comes kinda close, though her game may be a bit too old to be included in the same vein as Joker was. And lastly Sora isn't owned by SquareEnix so there isn't even any competition there.
About 2B, I really don't think her game is too old. I mean, it's 3 years old, it's not like everyone suddenly forgot about her, especially considering that the game's ultimate edition titled "game of the Yohra edition" came out just last year on ps4 and pc. We also know that in Nier replicant ver.1.22474487139 the voice actor of 2B and 9S are involved, hinting that both characters will be back, or at least make cameo. Considering Automata strong sales I could see Square pushing for 2B in Smash (she's already used to be in a lot of crossover) for pushing the Nier replicant remake. Square even said that after Automata success they see big potential for Nier becoming one of their big franchises. (Source: https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news...-and-has-strong-potential-as-a-franchise.aspx )


Last I check Disney was on board or at the very least ok with Sora being in Smash. Though they own the rights, it still comes down to Nomura's decision to have him be added.
Source on that? I never saw Disney ever talking about Smash bros and Sora.
 

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Personally I think 2B is gonna be a Mii Costume, but not Playable. Wasn't the meeting between Sak and Nier Creaor the first one, and it was very Recent? I'm just think perhaps that meeting was way too late when they were finalizing the roster, but I don't know
 

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This may just be me, but I can see Level-5 getting... something this DLC. I don't know exactly what (fighter, Spirits, etc.), but I'd honestly be more surprised if they got nothing out of this.
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Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, Over the Garden Wall, Infinity Train, Amphibia, The Owl House. All popular animated shows that weren't that ( I've only watched Gravity Falls and Steven Universe of these, but I don't think those other shows fit that category)
Okay, I didn't mean ALL kids' cartoons. Just a whole bunch of 'em.

But to avoid derailing, who else is at least 90% sure CP7 will for sure be announced in a general Direct or Mini, assuming there's no major delay?
 

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Quick question,

Why do you guys believe that Sakurai hasn't double dipped with no brainer 3rd party franchises like Sonic and Mega Man?

It's odd because Sega and Capcom clearly love participating in Smash Bros, so I don't believe it's them that are rejecting new characters. Sega has allowed both Sonic and Bayonetta to have lots of representation, and same with Capcom regarding Mega Man and Street Fighter.

It's odd that the companies' two biggest franchises, some of the most iconic, legendary series of all time, only gets one rep and then zip, nada.

The only real reason I can think of is because Sakurai wants to ensure the majority of the characters are Nintendo characters, so they are prioritized in getting the most playable character representation... But isn't it weird that ****ing EarthBound gets 2 reps but Sonic and Mega Man can't?!?!
 

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This may just be me, but I can see Level-5 getting... something this DLC. I don't know exactly what (fighter, Spirits, etc.), but I'd honestly be more surprised if they got nothing out of this.
Level-5 Is Pretty much a Nintendo Company without being owned by Nintendo, and their games are especially big in Europe. their absence is Very Suspicious and I'm surprised we haven't gotten any sort of content from them, and I wouldn't consider Eight since he's owned by Square

I guess the question is if Level-5's Content is gonna be in the form of Mii Cosutmes, just some spirits, or a Character. I Don't know about Jibyian as a Character, but I could see Professor Layton. He was pretty big back in Smash 4 and he still has a Notable Fanbase even now.

there's also seems to be alot of crossover in fanbase when comparing Layton and Ace Attornery, though I believe Ace Attorney is more on the visual novel side, while Layton is on the Puzzle side. Either way, I could see one of those 2. Phoenix from Capcom, or Layton from Level-5.

Quick question,

Why do you guys believe that Sakurai hasn't double dipped with no brainer 3rd party franchises like Sonic and Mega Man?

It's odd because Sega and Capcom clearly love participating in Smash Bros, so I don't believe it's them that are rejecting new characters. Sega has allowed both Sonic and Bayonetta to have lots of representation, and same with Capcom regarding Mega Man and Street Fighter.

It's odd that the companies' two biggest franchises, some of the most iconic, legendary series of all time, only gets one rep and then zip, nada.

The only real reason I can think of is because Sakurai wants to ensure the majority of the characters are Nintendo characters, so they are prioritized in getting the most playable character representation... But isn't it weird that ****ing EarthBound gets 2 reps but Sonic and Mega Man can't?!?!

It's just a matter of Priority. Repping new franchises is something you can't just pass up. It's not to say it's impossible for them to get a 2nd unique character, but it's just the problem with a game like Smash, which has the possibilities so broad that unless your a Nintendo franchise, Secondary characters kinda get the shaft.
 

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I guess. I just thought given how long its been since Darkstalkers has had a game that rebooting it would be the best way that way they could redo the whole story again. Imagine a story mode with modern graphics.
Not entirely sure they'd need to do that either. Darkstalkers stories tend to be pretty simple, and Morrigan is probably the only one who's story would need a bit of a history lesson. Even then they could easily just give the cliff-notes version of "she's supposed to be the ruler of the underworld and also she fused with Lillith to attain her full power". Everyone else either has a flat character arc or an arc that doesn't need to be explained for you to get whatever new arc they're given iirc. Donovan's in particular would benefit from not explaining itself (if they even put him in this hypothetical game).

Personally I think 2B is gonna be a Mii Costume, but not Playable. Wasn't the meeting between Sak and Nier Creaor the first one, and it was very Recent? I'm just think perhaps that meeting was way too late when they were finalizing the roster, but I don't know
I wouldn't read too much into that. There could easily have been a meeting they didn't make public in which they discussed the fighter. In fact the hypothetical meeting they discussed the fighter in would very likely not have been made public.
 
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Personally I think 2B is gonna be a Mii Costume, but not Playable. Wasn't the meeting between Sak and Nier Creaor the first one, and it was very Recent? I'm just think perhaps that meeting was way too late when they were finalizing the roster, but I don't know
Nintendo chooses the characters, not Sakurai. If Nintendo wants 2B, they'll get 2B. Besides, they probably wouldn't make the meeting public, as SmashPuppy noted above.
 

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I wouldn't read too much into that. There could easily have been a meeting they didn't make public in which they discussed the fighter. In fact the hypothetical meeting they discussed the fighter in would very likely not have been made public.
Nintendo chooses the characters, not Sakurai. If Nintendo wants 2B, they'll get 2B. Besides, they probably wouldn't make the meeting public, as SmashPuppy noted above.
I guess these are true. I guess just Personally, I just don't see 2B being Playable in this DLC..Personally. she definitly has merit, I'm just not predicting her as Playable. Instead I'm predicting her as Mii Costume

While we on that, I Love Dante, But I'm gonna have to predict him as Mii Costume as well. I just don't see him as Playable in this DLC either
 

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I do have a feeling that the vast majority of FP2 characters are going to be characters that nobody really brings up at all, because that's what tends to happen. Just look at FP1, none of those characters were heavily talked about or super-popular in speculation with Banjo being the only exception.

While we're all predicting that someone like Master Chief, Crash, Geno, Waluigi, Dante, Shante, etc., will get in, Sakurai is definitely developing someone like Sakuna from Of Rice and Ruin.
 

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I do have a feeling that the vast majority of FP2 characters are going to be characters that nobody really brings up at all, because that's what tends to happen. Just look at FP1, none of those characters were heavily talked about or super-popular in speculation with Banjo being the only exception.
Hero being the other exception...kind of. We at least thought the series was likely. Which is more than you can usually say.
 

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I do have a feeling that the vast majority of FP2 characters are going to be characters that nobody really brings up at all, because that's what tends to happen. Just look at FP1, none of those characters were heavily talked about or super-popular in speculation with Banjo being the only exception.

While we're all predicting that someone like Master Chief, Crash, Geno, Waluigi, Dante, Shante, etc., will get in, Sakurai is definitely developing someone like Sakuna from Of Rice and Ruin.
Imagine if Sakurai was secretly developing a no-name indie that isn't even out yet, though. That... Would take away some of the hype factor, actually. All the salt will end up contagious.

On a related note, the talk of the town as of current seems to be Geno, Waluigi, Rex, a Gen 8 Pokemon, Dante, Crash, and Master Chief. Based on previous patterns, this clearly means that none of them will be getting in. :troll:
 

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Imagine if Sakurai was secretly developing a no-name indie that isn't even out yet, though. That... Would take away some of the hype factor, actually. All the salt will end up contagious.

On a related note, the talk of the town as of current seems to be Geno, Waluigi, Rex, a Gen 8 Pokemon, Dante, Crash, and Master Chief. Based on previous patterns, this clearly means that none of them will be getting in. :troll:
And thus, I am reminded of my fear of what would happen if Geno's Mii costume returned. I pray for whatever character it gets paired with...
 

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Imagine if Sakurai was secretly developing a no-name indie that isn't even out yet, though. That... Would take away some of the hype factor, actually. All the salt will end up contagious.

On a related note, the talk of the town as of current seems to be Geno, Waluigi, Rex, a Gen 8 Pokemon, Dante, Crash, and Master Chief. Based on previous patterns, this clearly means that none of them will be getting in. :troll:
Fans: We predict a Gen 8 Pokemon for FP2, it just seems inevitable.

Sakurai: How about this instead? SUPER SMASH BROS. ULTIMATE x HARVEST MOON

Fans: Someone super big in speculation like Geno or Doom Guy seems like a no brainer!

Sakurai: SUPER SMASH BROS. ULTIMATE x SUKAPON
 
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And thus, I am reminded of my fear of what would happen if Geno's Mii costume returned. I pray for whatever character it gets paired with...
Yeah, it would have to be with someone like Crash or Isaac, someone who would be considered "acceptable" and worthy of the same spot. If it's with someone smaller like Bill Razer or Reimu, it could seriously hurt their image. And god forbid deconfirming Geno with a Squeenix rep-Or worse, waiting until after the Squeenix rep to put out his Mii.
 

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What would be cool if they added a Dante Mii Costume, or Travis Mii costume, is if not just Music, but they also came with Unique voices. There's 12 voice options in the game already, there's nothing saying there can't be more, and Sakurai hired Falcon's voice actor just to record Slurping sounds. I could see him hiring the VA's for new Mii voices

It would really make them feel even more that they are in the game, even if they are technically also not playable
 
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Yeah, it would have to be with someone like Crash or Isaac, someone who would be considered "acceptable" and worthy of the same spot.
Even so, Geno fans would then have to deal with "lul you couldn't even get in over Isaac and he wasn't even likely to begin with".

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Quick question,

Why do you guys believe that Sakurai hasn't double dipped with no brainer 3rd party franchises like Sonic and Mega Man?

It's odd because Sega and Capcom clearly love participating in Smash Bros, so I don't believe it's them that are rejecting new characters. Sega has allowed both Sonic and Bayonetta to have lots of representation, and same with Capcom regarding Mega Man and Street Fighter.

It's odd that the companies' two biggest franchises, some of the most iconic, legendary series of all time, only gets one rep and then zip, nada.

The only real reason I can think of is because Sakurai wants to ensure the majority of the characters are Nintendo characters, so they are prioritized in getting the most playable character representation... But isn't it weird that ****ing EarthBound gets 2 reps but Sonic and Mega Man can't?!?!
Not really. Our second-rep third party fighters, Ken and Richter clearly got in because they were obvious clones, same with Lucas. I'm not sure if there is such a character for Mega Man and there are a lot of reasons why Shadow didn't become one.

I think people should care more about the development side of the things. In the end, there is more to making games than just saying something is a no-brainer.
 

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What would be cool if they added a Dante Mii Costume, or Travis Mii costume, is if not just Music, but they also came with Unique voices. There's 12 voice options in the game already, there's nothing saying there can't be more, and Sakurai hired Falcon's voice actor just to record Slurping sounds. I could see him hiring the VA's for new Mii voices

It would really make them feel even more that they are in the game, even if they are technically also not playable
Now I'm picturing Vault Boy and Sans with Dante's voice. Even I'm not brave enough to not spoiler the thought.

I'm not sure if there is such a character for Mega Man and there are a lot of reasons why Shadow didn't become one.
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Quick question,

Why do you guys believe that Sakurai hasn't double dipped with no brainer 3rd party franchises like Sonic and Mega Man?

It's odd because Sega and Capcom clearly love participating in Smash Bros, so I don't believe it's them that are rejecting new characters. Sega has allowed both Sonic and Bayonetta to have lots of representation, and same with Capcom regarding Mega Man and Street Fighter.

It's odd that the companies' two biggest franchises, some of the most iconic, legendary series of all time, only gets one rep and then zip, nada.

The only real reason I can think of is because Sakurai wants to ensure the majority of the characters are Nintendo characters, so they are prioritized in getting the most playable character representation... But isn't it weird that ****ing EarthBound gets 2 reps but Sonic and Mega Man can't?!?!
I would imagine it's a case of Sakurai's game philosophy. Sakurai has stated that he wishes Smash to be a large gaming crossover. Expanding the scope that crossover can only happen if you include characters from other franchises, otherwise you're just pleasing fans who already liked the game series the already included character represented.

Business wise, I would imagine Nintendo would also stand to make more from breadth over depth as attracting a wider group of fans leads to higher potential for DLC sales.
 

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Also I don't think there are that many reasons why Shadow didn't become one.
Wouldn't Bass also potentially be one, with his unique gimmick being the 8 Way Shooting? and instead of Sliding, he Dashes and such

As an Shadow Enthusiast , I think there are reasons behind him not becoming an echo. Like I've been saying, I've been spreading the Message of no echo Shadow since base game speculation. even when there were times where I might have falter to the side of the Echo Shadow, I knew, deep down, that it wasn't gonna happen

-Sakurai knows the way. 3rd party is a different area than with Nintendo characters. Shadow is also a different case from all the other echoes. He can Legitimately get in on his own merit because he has the Fan Popularity (in Smash and in Sonic), He's Iconic, Relevant, and he has Enough Material to not only separate himself from Sonic, but also from the rest of the cast in an unique way

-Plus I'm not sure Sega would be down for the idea. say what you want about Shadow playing the same in some Sonic games, but Sonic Similarities affect all characters in the Series (Sonic rivals 1 and 2 is Perfect example). In a Smash Translation, that sort of thing would not fly

-I guess there's also the worry that they may just be too strict with Shadow. I really hope this is not the case. I know with the IDW Comics I believe Shadow has the most mandates of the Sonic characters in the comics. Sonic Boom the Cartoon also only used him for 2 Episodes, this could have been a reason, though it also just could be on the writers themselves wanting to use him Sparingly. I think because Sakurai has had Sonic content for 3 games now and treated him well (disregarding the no Remixes, and TWO Spindashes), I don't think Sega would be that strict. yes
 

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Nintendo chooses the characters, not Sakurai. If Nintendo wants 2B, they'll get 2B. Besides, they probably wouldn't make the meeting public, as SmashPuppy noted above.
Plus Yoko Taro demonstrated just today how easily he agrees to collaborations:
Ultimately it'd be up to Nintendo & Square, and Smash would be a much bigger commitment than a Fall Guys costume, but at least it's reassuring to know Yoko Taro isn't stingy with 2B lol
 

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Plus Yoko Taro demonstrated just today how easily he agrees to collaborations:
Ultimately it'd be up to Nintendo & Square, and Smash would be a much bigger commitment than a Fall Guys costume, but at least it's reassuring to know Yoko Taro isn't stingy with 2B lol
Is this the part where I joke about Fall Guys in Smash?
 
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