Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[3BitSaurus]

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I see. So then does it mean that

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we're getting a mobile-only Zelda rhythm game to explain what happened in the timeskip between OoT and MM, where Link finds out that the Master Sword is an Aegis that was made to be Hyrule's counterpart to Dream Land's Rainbow Sword - and said mobile game will be mandatory to understand the next four games in the series?

Sounds great!

I can't believe how many people didn't catch that "Everyone is Here!" was just a hint that everyone is Xehanort. Remember how Sakurai's eyes were yellow in the final direct for Smash 4?

Sakurai being a Xehanort would legit be one of the best explanations for how he becomes younger as he ages.

 

[SNEKeater]

If we got an Arc System Works character, would you rather see a historic NES-era character like Kunio or Bimmy Billy and Jimmy Lee, a character from one of their fighting games like Sol Badguy or Ragna the Bloodedge, a more recent beat-em-up character like Kyoko or Misako from River City Girls, or someone else?

(I'm not familiar with their line-up beyond beat-em-ups and fighting games)

I obviously prefer a fighting game character. I guess it's because I'm biased but I'd dare to say that most people thinks of fighting games when it comes to ArcSys.
Other characters would be really cool, but if the character wasn't Sol I'd be disappointed, but I wouldn't really complain. ArcSys getting a character would be really cool in the end.

Other than Banjo & Kazooie and Piranha Plant, who was explicitly planned for the base game, every Smash DLC newcomer has been an anime-esque human. I'm hoping for some more diversity in Fighters Pass Vol. 2, with cartoony characters like Dixie Kong, Rayman, and Crash Bandicoot. pic.twitter.com/4XqpigP2Cy

— Kremling Kampaigner (@KRoolKountry) August 19, 2020

The old age debate returns

I mean nowadays most cartoony characters come from Nintendo IPs, and almost all of them are already in Smash. At this point I don't really get why people says things like this. It's cool to want certain types of characters, but we also have to be somewhat realistic. As others have said the majority of characters are human-esque, specially in the last 10-20? years.

So:

• Most of cartoony characters are already in, leaving a small selection of realizable characters, which are mostly third party
• The great majority of remaining popular or requested options are human-esque characters

I don't really think there's much to debate here, in my opinion the why of this is very clear and simple.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Other than Banjo & Kazooie and Piranha Plant, who was explicitly planned for the base game, every Smash DLC newcomer has been an anime-esque human. I'm hoping for some more diversity in Fighters Pass Vol. 2, with cartoony characters like Dixie Kong, Rayman, and Crash Bandicoot. pic.twitter.com/4XqpigP2Cy

— Kremling Kampaigner (@KRoolKountry) August 19, 2020

The old age debate returns

How is Min min a anime character? She's clearly more cartoony. Ryu and Bayo are also cartoon imo. And I don't get why characters art style matters that much.

 

[MooMew64]

I feel this comic has aged like a fine wine:

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Anyways, I'm not quite sure how being a cartoon bear has anything to do with being more unique than a character that looks like a person, but eh, to each their own.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

F i r e E m b l e m...

Build an army. Trust no one.

Anyways, I'm not quite sure how being a cartoon bear has to do with being more unique than a character that looks like a person, but eh, to each their own.

Ironically, they're one of the more basic characters.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I feel this comic has aged like a fine wine:

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Anyways, I'm not quite sure how being a cartoon bear has anything to do with being more unique than a character that looks like a person, but eh, to each their own.

Funny how the cartoony characters are sometimes interacting with realistic humans even within their own series too.

 

[Deleted member]

The terrible quality combined with the expression and awkward proportions gives this image a powerful dank energy. This is prime meme material right here.

I gotchu fam

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Other than Banjo & Kazooie and Piranha Plant, who was explicitly planned for the base game, every Smash DLC newcomer has been an anime-esque human. I'm hoping for some more diversity in Fighters Pass Vol. 2, with cartoony characters like Dixie Kong, Rayman, and Crash Bandicoot. pic.twitter.com/4XqpigP2Cy

— Kremling Kampaigner (@KRoolKountry) August 19, 2020

The old age debate returns

Well at least Sgt. Cortez isn't anime so he'd be part of the cereal mascot crew...

Time to split.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Funny how the cartoony characters are sometimes interacting with realistic humans even within their own series too.

Anime Background Character: "We should move back into the country"
The Country: has deadly monsters that appear at random

 

[cashregister9]

People keep talking about "Cereal Mascots" but like I can only think of like 2 that have a chance larger than 50%, Crash & Rayman, and I will say that there are Mascot characters that have been talked about in the speculation scene quite a bit, Conker and Klonoa (and Dixie) being the stand out ones that I see pretty often. it's not like this huge untapped market of characters. UNLESS your definition of cereal mascot is "Not Japanese" then Buddy I've got some news for you.

EDIT: My simple definition of "Mascot Character" is a Highly cartoony and Anthropomorphize character designed mainly to appeal to younger crowds

EDIT EDIT: Im a

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

How is Min min a anime character? She's clearly more cartoony.

Tbf, the key art director for ARMS did say Dragon Ball and Akira were the two biggest inspirations

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

People keep talking about "Cereal Mascots" but like I can only think of like 2 that have a chance larger than 50%, Crash & Rayman, and I will say that there are Mascot characters that have been talked about in the speculation scene quite a bit, Conker and Klonoa being the stand out ones that I see pretty often. it's not like this huge untapped market of characters. UNLESS your definition of cereal mascot is "Not Japanese" then Buddy I've got some news for you.

It used to be a counter to anime swordsman. Now it's said ironically.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Tbf, the key art director for ARMS did say Dragon Ball and Akira were his two biggest inspirations

Considering how ARMS malfunction when a mask isn’t worn I’d say Akira checks out for the body horror part

 

[SharkLord]

How is Min min a anime character? She's clearly more cartoony. Ryu and Bayo are also cartoon imo. And I don't get why characters art style matters that much.

Ryu and Bayo I think are more realistic than anything, Ryu especially. And if Ryu is realistic, so it Terry.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

People keep talking about "Cereal Mascots" but like I can only think of like 2 that have a chance larger than 50%, Crash & Rayman, and I will say that there are Mascot characters that have been talked about in the speculation scene quite a bit, Conker and Klonoa being the stand out ones that I see pretty often. it's not like this huge untapped market of characters. UNLESS your definition of cereal mascot is "Not Japanese" then Buddy I've got some news for you.

Yeah **** these stupid ass realistic human anime characters. We need more Cereal Mascots in this game! It’s a Mascot fighter anyways! We need more characters like THIS:

...wait

 

[N3ON]

You guys are giving him a preposterous amount of flak for just saying he’d like a lineup that’s more diverse stylistically.

He’s not saying the first pass was bad, he’s not saying we have to get more cartoony characters, he’s just saying he’d like more of a balance. That seems a fair want to me. Just because it’s not yours doesn’t mean it’s invalid. It’s subjective, that’s what he wants.

Just take it easy, jeez.

 

[Deleted member]

Considering how ARMS malfunction when a mask isn’t worn I’d say Akira checks out for the body horror part

Honestly that's one of the few things I think woulda been interesting as a mechanic. Like occasionally your mask falling off and being unable to use both arms for a short period. Although then again there's already the stun system in that game so it would kinda be redundant. Feels like very few people actually know that tidbit(hell even I didn't until I went outta my way to look at all the collectables)

 

[Garteam]

Similar to how swords stop being an issue when Sora or Dante are brought up, something tells me the demand for more non-human characters wouldn't be scratched if, say, a Pokemon got in.

 

[Staarih]

I think ”anime” is the wrong word used here, but anyway, I too would welcome a non-human character to mix things up. Crash, Rayman and Dixie, sure, but even just a new Pokémon would do it.
Even it it’d end up being humanoid in shape again sigh

Imagine if we got Slime instead of Hero. That’s as non-human as it gets.

 

[MooMew64]

You guys are giving him a preposterous amount of flak for just saying he’d like a lineup that’s more diverse stylistically.

He’s not saying the first pass was bad, he’s not saying we have to get more cartoony characters, he’s just saying he’d like more of a balance. That seems a fair want to me. Just because it’s not yours doesn’t mean it’s invalid. It’s subjective, that’s what he wants.

Just take it easy, jeez.

I don't got any problems with the tweet, it's just a preference someone has after all. I was just sharing my viewpoint on that I don't think character art styles really matter as much as the character's gameplay.

It's definitely to each their own.

 

[Deleted member]

You guys are giving him a preposterous amount of flak for just saying he’d like a lineup that’s more diverse stylistically.

He’s not saying the first pass was bad, he’s not saying we have to get more cartoony characters, he’s just saying he’d like more of a balance. That seems a fair want to me. Just because it’s not yours doesn’t mean it’s invalid. It’s subjective, that’s what he wants.

Just take it easy, jeez.

I dunno if we're giving him flak per say, if anything I feel mosta us took this opportunity to talk about our opinion on the dlc and the kinda characters in it(as the previous page kinda shows)

If anything, while I would like a tiny bit more variety in the character lineup, it's not a super big deal to me. I'm fine with whatever.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I would like to get more cartoony characters for variety's sake, not that the characters as we're getting them aren't varied as is but it's always cool to see wildly different art styles clashing.

Can you share your sources ? I did try to check this before talking and I only found a 7M sales for the whole franchises history with much more than 6 games (about 20 on Nintendo systems)

There aren't 20 Ace Attorney games, you're probably seeing just ports and re-releases of the first three games.

If we got an Arc System Works character, would you rather see a historic NES-era character like Kunio or Bimmy Billy and Jimmy Lee, a character from one of their fighting games like Sol Badguy or Ragna the Bloodedge, a more recent beat-em-up character like Kyoko or Misako from River City Girls, or someone else?

(I'm not familiar with their line-up beyond beat-em-ups and fighting games)

I'm a retro moron so my preferred choices are the Lee Brothers. Can't get more classic than that. Might be pretty basic, but we don't have any beat-em-up characters yet so the good old "spawn a pipe and smack 'em" would still be new and unique.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I dunno if we're giving him flak per say, if anything I feel mosta us took this opportunity to talk about our opinion on the dlc and the kinda characters in it(as the previous page kinda shows)

Also a lot of us are just memeing super hard.

The only thing that I took issue with was the claim that Banjo & Kazooie were supposed to be in the base game, but it was pointed out that it could just be ambiguous semantics so it gets a pass.

 

[snowgolem]

I know we’re way past the Mii talk, but what about a Mii based on the Wii Sports, Wii Party, etc part of them? Could be called just Mii or Mii Partygoer.

 

[Deleted member]

I know we’re way past the Mii talk, but what about a Mii based on the Wii Sports, Wii Party, etc part of them? Could be called just Mii or Mii Partygoer.

I could honestly see that.

Have a clubbing side special, boxing neutral, uh.. batter up special, etc etc. It could work really well if done right.

 

[I.D.]

Similar to how swords stop being an issue when Sora or Dante are brought up, something tells me the demand for more non-human characters wouldn't be scratched if, say, a Pokemon got in.

They will be clapping for Tora and they WILL like it

 

[N3ON]

Well, saying something along the lines of “I don’t get why art style matters” is invalidating something that matters to someone, just because it doesn’t matter to you.

I mean, the personality of the character seems to matter to some people. I couldn’t care less about that, it’s not like it really factors in to Smash. Maybe the taunts. But some people seem to care about it, or at least they use it as reasoning, so it’s a meaningful factor to them.

No, the art style doesn’t factor into the gameplay... but maybe the cartoony games are the ones you actually like to play, and therefore would be the kind of characters you’d be most hyped to see join Smash.

If someone wants more cartoony characters, cool. If someone wants more realistic characters, cool. If someone wants more Fire Emblem characters, I say what the hell is wrong with you Opossum , but at the end of the day, cool. People wanting who they want is as subjective as people liking who they like.

 

[snowgolem]

I could honestly see that.

Have a clubbing side special, boxing neutral, uh.. batter up special, etc etc. It could work really well if done right.

It’d also make way better for a Waluigi Mii than Brawler does.
Unless it would be an actual character with actual alts, which would be a little disappointing.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Have a clubbing side special...

A...what?

They will be clapping for Tora and they WILL like it

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It's Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Of course this exists. The devs really had no chill when it came to stuff like this.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I know we’re way past the Mii talk, but what about a Mii based on the Wii Sports, Wii Party, etc part of them? Could be called just Mii or Mii Partygoer.

Tfw our first Rhythm games rep is my Mii from Wii music.

 

[Deleted member]

A...what?

Like a golf club, I mean. Probably shoulda worded that wayyyy differently

 

[RouffWestie]

Instinctively I want to agree that the characters lean too far towards one artstyle, but too many people making that argument are ignoring how distinct Akira Toriyama's character designs are and fail to put Hero somewhere between Banjo and Joker.

 

[Guynamednelson]

You guys are giving him a preposterous amount of flak for just saying he’d like a lineup that’s more diverse stylistically.

He’s not saying the first pass was bad, he’s not saying we have to get more cartoony characters, he’s just saying he’d like more of a balance. That seems a fair want to me. Just because it’s not yours doesn’t mean it’s invalid. It’s subjective, that’s what he wants.

Just take it easy, jeez.

It sounds like FE criticism. FE fans can't handle anything that resembles criticising how it's represented.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It sounds like FE criticism. FE fans can't handle anything that resembles criticising how it's represented.

Nah they just don't like it when you hate Fire Emblem because its Fire Emblem. Even Fire Emblem fans criticize it's representation (though it's the quality they have a bone to pick with, not the quantity).

 

[I.D.]

It sounds like FE criticism. FE fans can't handle anything that resembles criticising how it's represented.

I'll have you know FE fans aren't defensive at all and I'll argue this for several pages to prove it

 

[SharkLord]

Nah they just don't like it when you hate Fire Emblem because its Fire Emblem. Even Fire Emblem fans criticize it's representation.

Yeah, I like Fire Emblem and so I wish it's reps ran on quality over quantity. When people dismiss it based on the mishandled roster alone, that sets me off.

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

I can understand people wanting stylistic diversity, but even if somebody wants specifically "not-human, not-anime" characters, Ultimate has already added quite a few with pretty varied design aesthetics:

I can't help but feel that it starts to sound a bit greedy. Smash has no shortage of characters like that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Nah they just don't like it when you hate Fire Emblem because its Fire Emblem. Even Fire Emblem fans criticize it's representation (though it's the quality they have a bone to pick with, not the quantity).

People who default to "ugh more FE" doesn't give you the right to think FE must make Pokemon look like F-Zero.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I think some of the character design backlash also has to do with Nintendo (in America) emphasizing more JRPG franchises like Fire Emblem and Xenoblade (which have anime like designs) in the past 15 years which has led to backlash by fans who are fonder of either more cartoonish and/or Western looking characters. To them a Banjo-Kazooie will always stand out more than any FE character regardless if there are individual elements to the latter that are distinct in the context of their games.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

...So does me wanting more Zelda fighters make me a fan of anime fighters or cereal mascots?