• Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!

    You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!

Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

Status
Not open for further replies.

Ramen Tengoku

Meiniac
Joined
Sep 7, 2018
Messages
15,719
Location
Somewhere
Switch FC
SW-6056-3633-7710
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
Insert Rhythm Heaven rep here.

Went for a mix of songs I personally enjoy as well as ones that I find essential and represent the Rhythm Heaven series well. Ultimately went with 17 tracks which may be a bit unrealistic (especially assuming we already have 3 RH tracks in Smash as is), but this a series that strives on it's music, so I think it's fairly justifed

Asterisk (*) denotes what I envision/hope to be remixed

Clappy Trio (Rhythm Tengoku)
Tap Trial (Rhythm Tengoku)
WISH Kimi o mate naku te (Rhythm Tengoku)
Struck By The Rain (Rhythm Heaven DS)
Glee Club (Rhythm Heaven DS) *
Munchy Monk (Rhythm Heaven DS)
Lockstep (Rhythm Heaven DS)
Air Rally (Rhythm Heaven Fever)
Working Dough (Rhythm Heaven Fever)
Ringside (Rhythm Heaven Fever) *
Remix 4 (Rhythm Heaven Fever)
Love Rap (Rhythm Heaven Fever)
Dreams Of Our Generation (Rhythm Heaven Fever)
Tongue Lashing (Rhythm Heaven Megamix)
Sumo Brothers (Rhythm Heaven Megamix)
Pajama Party (Rhythm Heaven Megamix) *
Final Remix (Rhythm Heaven Megamix) envision this as the general series medley of sots
 
Last edited:

SKX31

Smash Master
Joined
Feb 22, 2019
Messages
3,462
Location
Sweden
Has this happened before? Is Tencent basically responsible for "Direct-style" announcements in China? Or is it just this once?

Because if it is the former, that's... interesting. Nintendo usually doesn't let other companies do this, with very rare exceptions. Though to be fair, they probably wouldn't be allowed in China without Tencent's backing, so...
AFAIK, this is the first (effectively) Direct meant exclusively for Mainland China. They've done presentations and such in the past (such as announcements for the Chinese Switch), but not in this format. They're going through with this probably because Ring Fit became a very popular import during the lockdown (with short video helping ensure it went viral).

And yeah, the Chinese Switch is with Tencent's collaboration / backing, because having a domestic partner is required for official release. Such requirements have stymied Nintendo a bit: India has similar requirements, and it's why Nintendo doesn't have an official presence there.

An Indie Direct is good for the people that enjoy indies, but they aren't really substantial at all. I don't think they even show them in Japan.
Honestly, that's a bit strange since Nintendo could hypotheoretically produce a Japanese Indie World (or equalient) if they wanted to. Of course, most of the indies on the Indie World showcases are based outside of Japan and several of them might not get Japanese translations to begin with.

So the implications are that Japanese indies are typically promoted through other means? Wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.
 
Last edited:

Lamperouge

Drifting Soul
Premium
Joined
Sep 4, 2018
Messages
13,762
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
 

RouffWestie

Smash Lord
Joined
Oct 27, 2013
Messages
1,246
Location
Georgia
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
Hey, can I get uuuuuhhh, the entire Skullgirls soundtrack please?
 

Rie Sonomura

fly octo fly
Joined
Jul 14, 2014
Messages
19,720
NNID
RieSonomura
Switch FC
SW-4976-7649-4666
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
Elma:
  • Black Tar
  • Uncontrollable
  • Minor Boss Battle
  • Noctilum Day
  • Sylvalum Night
  • Prog Ares Battle
  • Major Boss Battle
  • Yggralith Zero Battle
  • The Key We’ve Lost
  • Telethia Plume Battle

Octoling:
  • Tidal Rush
  • some Salmon Run themes idk
  • #5 - thirsty
  • Splattack (Octo)
  • #13 - shade
  • #16 - salty
  • #8 - regret (Smash remix)
  • Nasty Majesty
  • Shark Bytes
  • Fly Octo Fly ~ Ebb & Flow (Octo)
 

MooMew64

sometimes here, sometimes there
Joined
Nov 4, 2019
Messages
15,572
Location
up and down and all around
What do I want from the Nindies? Uh...Well, OneShot will literally never be ported to consoles because it can't function on anything that isn't a PC, Shovel Knights done, and while Silksong would be rad it wouldn't be as impactful for me 'cause I haven played Hallow Knight yet.

Uh...is sonic an indie, i wanna see what's happening with that

I'm pretty much open to anything, honestly. Just gimme the fun video games. :drshrug:
 

TheBeastHimself

No time for tea, uncle, gotta capture the Avatar!
Joined
Mar 15, 2018
Messages
2,427
Location
New York
I just realized that Oddity can find a home on the Switch after it's decade long history of development hell (I'm talking about the game that used to be the unofficial Mother 4).




So there's a chance, albeit super slim, that the protagonist Travis can get into Smash at some point in the future, now that the property he's tied to is no longer a fan-game.

I just want this game to come out already. Development started in 2008, and if you've been following development at all, you'll know the game has been constantly delayed, from Winter 2014, to Summer 2016, and so on. There was also a lot of drama among the developers, with the lead musician having to leave the project. The game looks to be a ton of fun and a nice nod to the Mother series like Undertale and Citizens of Earth.

Thought I'd drop the trailer here if anyone is at all interested in indie RPGs:

 

ShrimpScampi

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Feb 11, 2020
Messages
328
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?
ooooh, I love talking about music.

For Estelle, I could definitely imagine an SNK-level track listing spanning a lot of their series, since all of Falcom's songs are under the in-house Falcom Sound Team jdk. Furthermore, they've already been liberal with their usage of their music, putting songs from remix albums into future games and even using their tracks as background music for their weird Falcom Gakuen crossover anime. That said, I'll go with 30 rather than 50 just to not go more overboard than I already have. Also take into account I'm not as familiar with Ys music since I'm still getting into the series (having played Origin and just starting Oath in Felghana recently). Here's what I have:
  1. The Whereabouts of Light (Trails in the Sky) [New Remix]
  2. Sophisticated Fight (Trails in the Sky) [New Remix]
  3. Silver Will (Trails in the Sky)
  4. Fateful Confrontation (Trails in the Sky SC)
  5. Fate of the Fairies (Trails in the Sky SC)
  6. The Merciless Savior (Trails in the Sky SC) [New Remix]
  7. Cry For Your Eternity (Trails in the Sky the 3rd)
  8. Overdosing Heavenly Bliss (Trails in the Sky the 3rd)
  9. Dreamy and Boisterous Holy Land (Trails in the Sky the 3rd)
  10. Get Over the Barrier! (Zero no Kiseki)
  11. Inevitable Struggle (Zero no Kiseki)
  12. Unfathomed Force (Ao no Kiseki)
  13. The Azure Arbitrator (Ao no Kiseki Evolution)
  14. Game of Blades (Trails of Cold Steel)
  15. Tie a Link of ARCUS! (Trails of Cold Steel)
  16. Don't Be Defeated By a Friend! (Trails of Cold Steel)
  17. Severe Blow (Trails of Cold Steel II)
  18. Take the Windward! (Trails of Cold Steel II)
  19. Transcend Beat (Trails of Cold Steel II)
  20. Beyond the Journey [Instrumental] (Trails of Cold Steel III)
  21. Brave Steel (Trails of Cold Steel III)
  22. Step Ahead (Trails of Cold Steel III)
  23. Burning Throb (Trails of Cold Steel IV)
  24. To Make the End of Battle (Ys I & II Chronicles)
  25. Valestein Castle (Ys: The Oath in Felghana)
  26. Scars of the Divine Wing (Ys Origin)
  27. Sunshine Coastline (Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of DANA)
  28. Monstrum Spectrum (Ys IX: Monstrum Nox)
  29. Seize the Day (Tokyo Xanadu)
  30. To Make the End of Digging (Gurumin: A Monstrous Adventure)
The bold ones are tracks I would really want to see if Falcom decided on a smaller track list.
 

StrangeKitten

Smash Lord
Joined
Mar 25, 2020
Messages
1,956
Location
Battle Royal Dome
I would LOVE Deltarune chapter 2, though I'd be surprised to see it just yet. Toby Fox's 2019 had a good chunk taken up by his collabs with GameFreak and Sakurai, no doubt.

It's been rumored that indie devs will be handed the reigns of old Nintendo IPs, so my one hope for the indie Direct is to see a previously-dead IP get revived. And I look forward to whatever other cool indie games get shown off
 

Schnee117

Too Majestic for Gender
Joined
Aug 21, 2014
Messages
19,804
Location
Rollbackia
Switch FC
SW-6660-1506-8804
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
Master Chief

Kiryu

Fulgore
 

Peridorito

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 27, 2018
Messages
250
Location
Crystal Gem Temple, Beach City
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
I could list all songs from the Super Bomberman games but I decided to limit myself to 10.

Bomberman Theme
Area 4 (Super Bomberman)
Area 6 (Super Bomberman)
Boss Battle (Super Boberman)
The Five DastardlyBombers
Area 1 (Super Bomberman 2)
Boss Battle (Super Bomberman 5)
Map 1 (Super Bomberman 5)
Map 2 (Super Bomberman 5)
World 1 (Super Bomberman R)
 

frozolloyd

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Feb 25, 2019
Messages
125

I haven't watched the full video, but apparently Jon thinks we're getting a Direct of some kind within the month, possibly at the end. I know a lot of people here don't like following leakers, but I personally think Jon is one of the more reliable ones, even with his occasional bias.
My problem with Jon from Gamexplain is that it is hard to actually know if he knows something or if he is speculating. For example, for the 2019 Gameawards he made a prediction that KOS MOS would be revealed for smash as FP 5, which as it turned out was just speculation on his part. Dude is super accurate, the problem is actually determining when he is speculating and when he has legitimate information. Definitely something to make a mental note of in the coming few weeks, but we should acknowledge that it could be speculation on his part.
 

7NATOR

Smash Master
Joined
Feb 13, 2016
Messages
4,089
Something I've been thinking about since FP2 got announced

Do you guys think that Certain Mii Costumes or Spirit Events might not have existed (not including ones related to the Fighters) if we didn't have FP2? Like for example, if we were to only get the 5 Fighters in FP1, we probably wouldn't have had as many Mii Costumes we are about to get, since until further notice, All FP2 Characters will need to also come with pack of Mii Costumes

and for Spirit Events, Is there a possibility that Some Spirit Events could have been delayed to Stretch out throughout FP2's Lifetime. If FP1 only existed, would we mostly see Spirit Events feature new Franchises and Companies every Tuesday?

I ask this because i Wonder, like for Example, if FP2 didn't exist, would we still have the River City Spirits? Would Arc System Works just be left out of the game entirengly, and there's also other Comapnies still absent like Level-5 and Falcom, it's something to consider and such
 

MooMew64

sometimes here, sometimes there
Joined
Nov 4, 2019
Messages
15,572
Location
up and down and all around
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.



Yakuza music would be so awesome in Smash, but they'd have to edit Reign like they did Mass Destruction 'cause it features a word that's not for good boys and girls.
 

PSIGuy

Smash Lord
Joined
Jun 27, 2014
Messages
1,967
Location
Australia
The music for an SMT fighter pack is easy - just go with what the fans already voted for
I've timestamped this so it starts at the 50th most popular song and goes all the way to number 1. 50 seems to be the max as SNK shows, but that's also a lot so even just the top 25 would be great.
The only changes I would make - include at least one song from each spin-off that isn't Persona (Devil Survivor, Devil Summoner, Majin Tensei and the like) since we're unlikely to get ANOTHER MegaTen rep and include some new tracks from SMTV. Some tracks probably wouldn't get it due to not being very long or appropriate for a fight so they can be the ones that get replaced by V or spinoff tracks.

Here's the text version of the list.
[2:19:16] No.050 - (SMT3) Metatron
[2:20:17] No.047 - (SMT1) Shop Lifting
[2:21:17] No.047 - (SMTj) A Scorched Nation
[2:22:18] No.047 - (IV:A) Large map
[2:23:20] No.046 - (IV:A) Battle - f2 (Mid-boss Battle)
[2:24:21] No.045 - (SMT4) Main Theme
[2:25:22] No.043 - (SMT3) Dante Appears
[2:25:49] No.043 - (SMT3) Final Battle
[2:26:52] No.041 - (SMTj) A Land Controlling Roads
[2:27:55] No.041 - (IV:A) Battle - f6 Godslayer
[2:28:56] No.040 - (SMT4) Battle - c5
[2:29:59] No.036 - (SMT2) Mid-Boss Battle
[2:31:00] No.036 - (SMT2) 2D: Makai
[2:32:02] No.036 - (SMT3) Fierce Battle
[2:33:04] No.036 - (SMT3) Beelzebub
[2:34:04] No.035 - (SMT4) Battle - a2
[2:35:05] No.034 - (SMT4) Battle - b4
[2:36:05] No.033 - (SMT1) Palace of the Four Heavenly Kings
[2:37:07] No.032 - (SMT3) Normal Battle ~Labyrinth of Amala~
[2:38:07] No.031 - (SMTj) Vehement Rage
[2:39:07] No.030 - (SMT3) Cathedral of Shadows ~Full Kagutsuchi~
[2:40:07] No.029 - (SMT3) World Map ~Last Area~
[2:41:08] No.028 - (SMT3) Title Loop 1
[2:42:08] No.027 - (SMT3) Toykyo Conception
[2:43:09] No.026 - (SMT1) Boss
[2:44:10] No.024 - (SMT4) Tokyo
[2:45:11] No.024 - (IV:A) Battle - f4 Divine Powers
[2:46:11] No.023 - (SMT3) Normal Battle ~Town~
[2:47:19] No.022 - (SMT1) Law
[2:48:19] No.021 - (SMT3) Boss Battle
==== TOP 20 ====
[2:50:39] No.020 - (SMT4) Battle - b2
[2:51:40] No.019 - (SMT3) Staff Credits
[2:52:40] No.018 - (SMT2) Cathedral of Shadows
[2:53:41] No.017 - (SMT1) Arcade Town
[2:54:10] No.016 - (SMT1) Kichijoji
[2:55:00] No.015 - (SMT1) Cathedral
[2:56:02] No.014 - (SMT3) Reason Boss Battle
[2:57:03] No.013 - (SMT3) Fiend
[2:58:04] No.012 - (SMT1) Title
[2:58:40] No.011 - (SMT2) 3D: Makai
==== TOP 10 ====
[3:00:30] No.010 - (SMT1) Ruins
[3:02:02] No.009 - (SMTj) The Fear of God
[3:03:32] No.008 - (SMT2) Battle
[3:05:03] No.007 - (SMT1) Battle
[3:06:33] No.006 - (SMT1) Cathedral of Shadows
[3:08:06] No.005 - (SMT3) Normal Battle ~Amala Network~
[3:09:37] No.004 - (SMT3) Dante Battle
[3:11:09] No.003 - (SMT1) Ginza
[3:12:40] No.002 - (SMT3) Title Loop 2
[3:14:12] No.001 - (SMT3) Normal Battle
 

CureParfait

Smash Ace
Joined
Dec 26, 2018
Messages
966
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.

If Darkrai got in, the music I want are,

Gen 4 Legendary theme
Tapu Guardian Battle theme
Ultra Necrozma's theme
Ultra Beast theme
Majority of the Pokken OST
 

toonito

Smash Ace
Joined
Jul 10, 2017
Messages
828
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
 

ForsakenM

Smash Lord
Joined
Sep 14, 2018
Messages
1,984
So I have heard horror stories and normally don't step out of my character support thread, but due to site maintenence and Rate Their Chances moving on very quickly form character to character, I was encouraged to post here. Since this isn't the General Thread or Social Thread, I'm sure this will be just fine.

So not all that long ago the RTC thread was on the topic of Geno and Sora, which I have personal interest in both and was eager to see what others thought. It seemed that both characters had rather low numbers for both chances of happening and want score, although there were a good share of higher percents for wants scores but I consistently saw 50% or lower for chance scores.

Now originally I thought the whole concept of putting a percentage when it came to whether you thought a character was coming or not or whether you wanted them or not was really stupid, as I only saw three possible choices: Yes, No, and Maybe. The percentage version of this comes out to 0, 50 and 100, so why even use percents at all? I have come to adopt a more open mindset which applies the Strongly Agree - Strongly Disagree scale, which makes percentages come out more to 0, 25, 50, 75 and 100...but that still doesn't leave wiggle room for percentages I've seen like 10, 20, 30 or 65.

My weird issues with the RTC system aside, we come back to the percentages being fairly low (from what I saw anyway, which I read a good number of them), and how I feel like that makes little sense.

See, the want scores are just fine: What you want and desire is subjective and based on how you feel. We can't all want the same character, and if we did that would be boring, no matter how much I may love it when I find common ground with people. It was the chance scores that seemed way too low. I even saw someone say that anyone giving Geno above a 50% was essentially wrong and crazy talk/favoritism bias. So essentially, I'm here to bring up what I think people were a bit ignorant about in regards to two characters and generate some conversation around it.

So before I get into Geno, I want to point out that I think Sora can only be at a 50%, or as I would call it, a big Maybe. Many people think it's because Disney wouldn't want Disney original content like Goofy, Donald, Mickey or even references to them to be in Smash. These people often argue that Disney doesn't want these character to get beat up or to look evil or bad, which is easy to retort because not only do these characters get beat up in slapstick all the time in their own mediums but specifically the Kingdom Hearts versions of these characters are all about fighting beings of darkness and evil. All that Sakurai and his team would have to do is not make them enslaved by Galeem or Dharkon in any trailers or WoL and that avoids all of that.

Some people like to say that because Sakurai will only put video game characters in Smash that only Sora, Riku, Kairi or any of the other characters that are original to the KH series can be represented and that nothing Disney original can come with him, so no Kingdom Key or Donald/Goofy/Mickey and therefore no Trinity Limit or other related abilities. These people forget that in the Chronicle in Brawl Mickey was referenced multiple times as well as Donald and that the KH versions of these characters are very much removed from their TV-Y counterparts.

Some people may bring up that Shinji Hashimoto told that student that they currently had no plans for Sora in Ultimate, but that is easily countered by saying that this was on May 27th of 2019. Timeline Theory (of which I very proudly founded) suggests that the character choices were likely all locked in by June at the latest, which can easily mean that Sakurai hadn't approached them yet at this point. However, being in a Fighter's Pass isn't likely or needed for Sora, but we will get there soon enough.

Others may say that Imran Khan mentioned that Nintendo already attempted to talk to Disney and they said no, and I have to say that HMK did a good job at pointing out that much of what was said in that podcast is simply speculation and not to be taken as fact. On top of this, Imran Khan has kinda been out of the game for a while and his information may no longer be valid, and we have no idea at what point this negotiation may have taken place.

One last argument I've seen is that Nintendo could never deal with Disney as Disney is greedy and evil and would takeover and ruin Smash...I feel like this explains itself with paranoia and stupidity, but just in case, let it be known that Nintendo/Sakurai and Co are the ones with the power to negotiate. They have what is arguably the biggest bargaining chip this side of video history: You can get your character into Smash Bros, immortalized into the playable Video Game Hall of Game that the world rejoices for twice over. When you combine that with Sakurai's history of being truly faithful to the character, it's series, and his dedication to his craft to make new characters fun and unique...that is powerful weight to throw around. Disney has pretty much failed in the video game market and all they have is what an amazing company made for them that they happen to own, so they would be fools to do anything that could jeopardize Sora getting into Smash, and Sakurai can just walk away from negotiations if he feels it won't work out to his standards.

So, if I'm defending Sora this much, why do I think he's only a 50%/a solid Maybe in terms of if he happens or not. Well, it IS still because of Disney, but not for any of the above reasons.

See, Disney is VERY cautious with Sora. KH is essentially all they have that works in the video game market, so they feel like whenever he's involved with something outside his series they have to play it very safe, and so far this has ended up as him being available for only a limited time. Thus far, Sora has been featured in World of Final Fantasy, Disney Tsum Tsum, Disney Emoji Blitz and Final Fantasy Brave Exvius...and each appearance was for a limited time, and it seems like he either came alone or with only other KH content, which is where my issue lies.

I don't think that limited time DLC would fly with Sakurai when it comes to Smash, which I think could be easily negotiated, but my big issue is that it seems there is no way he could end up in a Fighter's Pass of any sort. Sure, you can buy the characters separately, but it seems more up Disney's alley to have Sora and all his content separate from any other content. This means that Sora's best chance is to be separate Paid DLC like Piranha Plant is now, which means Sora's chances all rely on whether we get any more bonus content in the shape of fighters down the road. It's possible, but it's not the most likely thing in the universe...or I would have thought that before we got random previously unannounced bonus content. Sure, Small Battlefield was free and used existing assets, but the point still stands that bonus content can happen.

I guess we will see if Sora recovers from the predicament he got himself in at the end of KH3 fast enough to unlock the doors that lead to Smash.

Oh, I guess I should point out that I would be okay with seeing Sora in Smash. At one point I would have loved to have him join the roster, but then KH3 happened, and now whenever I see KH I remember that travesty of a game and it dampens my enjoyment.

So this is the one that I have been warned about, that if I go into any thread that isn't the Geno Thread and talk about how insanely likely Geno is, I'm basically asking to get crucified. Well, I'll be honest, I don't really believe all that drivel. I won't say that every single Geno fan overreacts, but I will say it sounds like trauma mixed with fear mongering: Sure, Geno fans have been regularly down-trodden just for wanting their character and talking about all the evidence for him, but that doesn't mean that every time to talk to someone who doesn't what Geno that you will be berated for it.

So, I'm here to break the stereotype of how it's not okay to talk about Geno, and I think it's very important because my instincts say he's well on his way already. In fact, I would argue that he's a guarantee and that his chances are at a fat 100%!

Now, before anyone possibly implies that the hats on my profile pic are evidence of bias towards Geno and therefore anything I have to say can perhaps be written off as 'just another blinded Geno fan with his head in the clouds', let me make it clear that separating your feelings from things is something I do very well unless I've lost ten or more games in a row in a competitive game. Much like separating the art from the artist, when it comes to a character's chance (or really any argument in general) I do my absolute best to remove my feelings from my argument because they have no place there.

Thus, I have done the same for Geno and deducing his chances, and yet I still come out to 100%. Why is that?

MCU jokes aside, it's because he's inevitable.

There are a number of requested characters that have gotten into Smash over the years, but Ultimate currently stands out as the game that has added the most long-term character requests of any Smash title thus far in terms of per release.

All the veterans cut from previous games, including Snake? Check.

Daisy? Check.

Ridley, the character heavily requested since N64/Melee and was meme'd because of how he would never happen? Check.

Simon Belmont, back to his original Conan style from a Konami that seemingly hate it's video game consumer base? Check.

King K Rool, the lad who most likely won the ballot but was lost to time after Rare left Nintendo and was thought to never return? Check.

The Hero, a legacy in Japan and a core part of their culture that got snubbed somehow for so many years? Check.

Banjo & Kazooie, known for being an irrelevant dead franchise owned by a direct competitor? Check.

For sure, we have had characters in the mix that were either unknown due to a lack of gaming culture in the Smash sphere, literal WTF Sakurai picks, another Fire Emblem character in DLC and shilling for a game that had been dead for a hot minute until it got a playable character in Smash. Still, not only are these not all that bad, but look at all the requests that we have gotten in comparison. I'd say we are doing rather well as a community, and Sakurai himself said he wants to bring in more characters and worlds to please the fans, which means more amazing picks are on their way.

I'm sure you've all heard this a billion times, but just in case you haven't, back in the boomin' Brawl days when speculation first really took off, there were four characters talked about more than all the rest. These characters were Ridley, King K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, and Geno. I like to refer to them as the Four Yonko of Smash Speculation (it's a One Piece reference, some of the strongest pirates out there as far as my limited knowledge goes).

As you can see, we have three outta four right now already in the game. It's a crazy time to be alive and be a Smash fan in all honesty, we really are in our golden years. However, there is still a final Yonko left: Geno, and I wholeheartedly believe that he is coming.

See, Geno really has so much going for him it's crazy. In a brief whirlwind of talking points:

  • He is the last of the really big Brawl picks. This is good for him because Ultimate has been seemingly hyped-focused on characters that meet this criteria.

  • He's still a fan favorite to this day, and one of the biggest ones even now with all these new characters people are falling in love with. This is good for him because Sakurai is specifically trying to cater to fans with the DLC.

  • Square Enix already have a playable character for their two top series, Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Of course they have other games people love, but Geno easily places at the top of the Square Enix request list right next to Sora, and Sora has his own barrel of issues that really makes him no competition.

  • Sakurai himself has desired to make Geno playable since back in Brawl, and this is from an interview that dates right after the end of Smash 4's DLC. Sakurai mentioned said that 'I think he [Geno] fits in really well with Smash' which is very important because this means that Geno qualifies for being unique and having fun moveset potential, something that Sakurai looks for in a character.

  • In the game interview, Sakurai proves that he is aware of Geno's popularity. 'He’s very popular. When talking about older characters, Geno always gets a lot of requests.' This means Geno isn't in a situation in which the developers are unaware of his demand.

  • For some reason, Geno's Mii Costume has yet to return in Ultimate. We've had two Mii Costume waves that were pretty grabbag random and had nothing to do with the character and a Square character, yet it didn't appear in any of these. This is odd when you consider that bringing back the costume would just be free money for Square and that Square wouldn't be about making a Premium Mii Costume package that includes music and still only get $.75. It gets even more odd when you consider that Geno and Mallow's Spirits, which would be considered to be of their likeness and would require negotiations, are in the base game along with references to SMRPG enemies in Piranha Plant's Palutena's Guidance in which Plant was originally intended for the base game. Wouldn't they have already negotiated for his costume and included it with Wave 2 then?

    Some people may bring up the Heihachi costume returning as evidence that Geno's costume could still return, but Heihachi is a fighting game
    character and ARMS is technically a fighting game, so not only was the inclusion thematic but Heihachi was never really heavily requested and Lloyd Irving was always the leader for another Bamco character anyway.

  • The CacoMallow images and video have never been debunked all this time. Every possible argument brought up to disprove it has been properly countered and no single modder at that time could replicate it and no one came forward to own up to being the one who did it. When you consider how Ken was involved just like he was in his own Ken Debug leak, how the Cacodemon hat was designed to be more family-friendly, and how we just recently got a Bethesda costume in Vault Boy which proves that Nintendo and Bethesda have already negotiated on content being in the game...it becomes very hard to refute.

  • Most recently, the common man has now accepted that Spirits do not deconfirm due to Min Min's inclusion, even though the argument never made sense because so long as there is DLC or the game is still in it's active lifecycle the game can be updated and changed however they wish.
Yeah, this is all some heavy stuff, but even without all that and just the fan demand for all this time, Geno would still be inevitable. When a development team is responsive to the community and cares, it's only a matter of time before you get what you requested. Every Smash game has proven this to various degrees but Dragon Ball FighterZ is also proof of this as they just recently announced Master Roshi who was the MOST requested character to get in. This is just how this sort of scenario works, and it's why I believe that Geno will get into Smash eventually, no matter what.

Now I personally think he's coming very VERY soon, but I sadly cannot give my reasons for that. It's not that I can't explain them or that I have no reasons, but it's because I'm not at liberty to discuss such things.

Now, after all that, I think I will join on this trend going on here.

Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
Boy, that was really hard to do when SMRPG has such great music that many of these options are interchangeable.
 

NonSpecificGuy

V Has Come To
Super Moderator
Premium
Writing Team
Joined
Feb 12, 2014
Messages
14,028
Location
Mother Base
NNID
Goldeneye2674
3DS FC
0989-1770-6584
I just realized that Oddity can find a home on the Switch after it's decade long history of development hell (I'm talking about the game that used to be the unofficial Mother 4).




So there's a chance, albeit super slim, that the protagonist Travis can get into Smash at some point in the future, now that the property he's tied to is no longer a fan-game.

I just want this game to come out already. Development started in 2008, and if you've been following development at all, you'll know the game has been constantly delayed, from Winter 2014, to Summer 2016, and so on. There was also a lot of drama among the developers, with the lead musician having to leave the project. The game looks to be a ton of fun and a nice nod to the Mother series like Undertale and Citizens of Earth.

Thought I'd drop the trailer here if anyone is at all interested in indie RPGs:

So glad this game dropped the Mother Trademark. What a shame it would’ve been had this game got a copyright strike just because they didn’t change the name.

it looks phenomenal.
 

7NATOR

Smash Master
Joined
Feb 13, 2016
Messages
4,089
So I have heard horror stories and normally don't step out of my character support thread, but due to site maintenence and Rate Their Chances moving on very quickly form character to character, I was encouraged to post here. Since this isn't the General Thread or Social Thread, I'm sure this will be just fine.

So not all that long ago the RTC thread was on the topic of Geno and Sora, which I have personal interest in both and was eager to see what others thought. It seemed that both characters had rather low numbers for both chances of happening and want score, although there were a good share of higher percents for wants scores but I consistently saw 50% or lower for chance scores.

Now originally I thought the whole concept of putting a percentage when it came to whether you thought a character was coming or not or whether you wanted them or not was really stupid, as I only saw three possible choices: Yes, No, and Maybe. The percentage version of this comes out to 0, 50 and 100, so why even use percents at all? I have come to adopt a more open mindset which applies the Strongly Agree - Strongly Disagree scale, which makes percentages come out more to 0, 25, 50, 75 and 100...but that still doesn't leave wiggle room for percentages I've seen like 10, 20, 30 or 65.

My weird issues with the RTC system aside, we come back to the percentages being fairly low (from what I saw anyway, which I read a good number of them), and how I feel like that makes little sense.

See, the want scores are just fine: What you want and desire is subjective and based on how you feel. We can't all want the same character, and if we did that would be boring, no matter how much I may love it when I find common ground with people. It was the chance scores that seemed way too low. I even saw someone say that anyone giving Geno above a 50% was essentially wrong and crazy talk/favoritism bias. So essentially, I'm here to bring up what I think people were a bit ignorant about in regards to two characters and generate some conversation around it.

So before I get into Geno, I want to point out that I think Sora can only be at a 50%, or as I would call it, a big Maybe. Many people think it's because Disney wouldn't want Disney original content like Goofy, Donald, Mickey or even references to them to be in Smash. These people often argue that Disney doesn't want these character to get beat up or to look evil or bad, which is easy to retort because not only do these characters get beat up in slapstick all the time in their own mediums but specifically the Kingdom Hearts versions of these characters are all about fighting beings of darkness and evil. All that Sakurai and his team would have to do is not make them enslaved by Galeem or Dharkon in any trailers or WoL and that avoids all of that.

Some people like to say that because Sakurai will only put video game characters in Smash that only Sora, Riku, Kairi or any of the other characters that are original to the KH series can be represented and that nothing Disney original can come with him, so no Kingdom Key or Donald/Goofy/Mickey and therefore no Trinity Limit or other related abilities. These people forget that in the Chronicle in Brawl Mickey was referenced multiple times as well as Donald and that the KH versions of these characters are very much removed from their TV-Y counterparts.

Some people may bring up that Shinji Hashimoto told that student that they currently had no plans for Sora in Ultimate, but that is easily countered by saying that this was on May 27th of 2019. Timeline Theory (of which I very proudly founded) suggests that the character choices were likely all locked in by June at the latest, which can easily mean that Sakurai hadn't approached them yet at this point. However, being in a Fighter's Pass isn't likely or needed for Sora, but we will get there soon enough.

Others may say that Imran Khan mentioned that Nintendo already attempted to talk to Disney and they said no, and I have to say that HMK did a good job at pointing out that much of what was said in that podcast is simply speculation and not to be taken as fact. On top of this, Imran Khan has kinda been out of the game for a while and his information may no longer be valid, and we have no idea at what point this negotiation may have taken place.

One last argument I've seen is that Nintendo could never deal with Disney as Disney is greedy and evil and would takeover and ruin Smash...I feel like this explains itself with paranoia and stupidity, but just in case, let it be known that Nintendo/Sakurai and Co are the ones with the power to negotiate. They have what is arguably the biggest bargaining chip this side of video history: You can get your character into Smash Bros, immortalized into the playable Video Game Hall of Game that the world rejoices for twice over. When you combine that with Sakurai's history of being truly faithful to the character, it's series, and his dedication to his craft to make new characters fun and unique...that is powerful weight to throw around. Disney has pretty much failed in the video game market and all they have is what an amazing company made for them that they happen to own, so they would be fools to do anything that could jeopardize Sora getting into Smash, and Sakurai can just walk away from negotiations if he feels it won't work out to his standards.

So, if I'm defending Sora this much, why do I think he's only a 50%/a solid Maybe in terms of if he happens or not. Well, it IS still because of Disney, but not for any of the above reasons.

See, Disney is VERY cautious with Sora. KH is essentially all they have that works in the video game market, so they feel like whenever he's involved with something outside his series they have to play it very safe, and so far this has ended up as him being available for only a limited time. Thus far, Sora has been featured in World of Final Fantasy, Disney Tsum Tsum, Disney Emoji Blitz and Final Fantasy Brave Exvius...and each appearance was for a limited time, and it seems like he either came alone or with only other KH content, which is where my issue lies.

I don't think that limited time DLC would fly with Sakurai when it comes to Smash, which I think could be easily negotiated, but my big issue is that it seems there is no way he could end up in a Fighter's Pass of any sort. Sure, you can buy the characters separately, but it seems more up Disney's alley to have Sora and all his content separate from any other content. This means that Sora's best chance is to be separate Paid DLC like Piranha Plant is now, which means Sora's chances all rely on whether we get any more bonus content in the shape of fighters down the road. It's possible, but it's not the most likely thing in the universe...or I would have thought that before we got random previously unannounced bonus content. Sure, Small Battlefield was free and used existing assets, but the point still stands that bonus content can happen.

I guess we will see if Sora recovers from the predicament he got himself in at the end of KH3 fast enough to unlock the doors that lead to Smash.

Oh, I guess I should point out that I would be okay with seeing Sora in Smash. At one point I would have loved to have him join the roster, but then KH3 happened, and now whenever I see KH I remember that travesty of a game and it dampens my enjoyment.

So this is the one that I have been warned about, that if I go into any thread that isn't the Geno Thread and talk about how insanely likely Geno is, I'm basically asking to get crucified. Well, I'll be honest, I don't really believe all that drivel. I won't say that every single Geno fan overreacts, but I will say it sounds like trauma mixed with fear mongering: Sure, Geno fans have been regularly down-trodden just for wanting their character and talking about all the evidence for him, but that doesn't mean that every time to talk to someone who doesn't what Geno that you will be berated for it.

So, I'm here to break the stereotype of how it's not okay to talk about Geno, and I think it's very important because my instincts say he's well on his way already. In fact, I would argue that he's a guarantee and that his chances are at a fat 100%!

Now, before anyone possibly implies that the hats on my profile pic are evidence of bias towards Geno and therefore anything I have to say can perhaps be written off as 'just another blinded Geno fan with his head in the clouds', let me make it clear that separating your feelings from things is something I do very well unless I've lost ten or more games in a row in a competitive game. Much like separating the art from the artist, when it comes to a character's chance (or really any argument in general) I do my absolute best to remove my feelings from my argument because they have no place there.

Thus, I have done the same for Geno and deducing his chances, and yet I still come out to 100%. Why is that?

MCU jokes aside, it's because he's inevitable.

There are a number of requested characters that have gotten into Smash over the years, but Ultimate currently stands out as the game that has added the most long-term character requests of any Smash title thus far in terms of per release.

All the veterans cut from previous games, including Snake? Check.

Daisy? Check.

Ridley, the character heavily requested since N64/Melee and was meme'd because of how he would never happen? Check.

Simon Belmont, back to his original Conan style from a Konami that seemingly hate it's video game consumer base? Check.

King K Rool, the lad who most likely won the ballot but was lost to time after Rare left Nintendo and was thought to never return? Check.

The Hero, a legacy in Japan and a core part of their culture that got snubbed somehow for so many years? Check.

Banjo & Kazooie, known for being an irrelevant dead franchise owned by a direct competitor? Check.

For sure, we have had characters in the mix that were either unknown due to a lack of gaming culture in the Smash sphere, literal WTF Sakurai picks, another Fire Emblem character in DLC and shilling for a game that had been dead for a hot minute until it got a playable character in Smash. Still, not only are these not all that bad, but look at all the requests that we have gotten in comparison. I'd say we are doing rather well as a community, and Sakurai himself said he wants to bring in more characters and worlds to please the fans, which means more amazing picks are on their way.

I'm sure you've all heard this a billion times, but just in case you haven't, back in the boomin' Brawl days when speculation first really took off, there were four characters talked about more than all the rest. These characters were Ridley, King K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, and Geno. I like to refer to them as the Four Yonko of Smash Speculation (it's a One Piece reference, some of the strongest pirates out there as far as my limited knowledge goes).

As you can see, we have three outta four right now already in the game. It's a crazy time to be alive and be a Smash fan in all honesty, we really are in our golden years. However, there is still a final Yonko left: Geno, and I wholeheartedly believe that he is coming.

See, Geno really has so much going for him it's crazy. In a brief whirlwind of talking points:

  • He is the last of the really big Brawl picks. This is good for him because Ultimate has been seemingly hyped-focused on characters that meet this criteria.

  • He's still a fan favorite to this day, and one of the biggest ones even now with all these new characters people are falling in love with. This is good for him because Sakurai is specifically trying to cater to fans with the DLC.

  • Square Enix already have a playable character for their two top series, Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Of course they have other games people love, but Geno easily places at the top of the Square Enix request list right next to Sora, and Sora has his own barrel of issues that really makes him no competition.

  • Sakurai himself has desired to make Geno playable since back in Brawl, and this is from an interview that dates right after the end of Smash 4's DLC. Sakurai mentioned said that 'I think he [Geno] fits in really well with Smash' which is very important because this means that Geno qualifies for being unique and having fun moveset potential, something that Sakurai looks for in a character.

  • In the game interview, Sakurai proves that he is aware of Geno's popularity. 'He’s very popular. When talking about older characters, Geno always gets a lot of requests.' This means Geno isn't in a situation in which the developers are unaware of his demand.

  • For some reason, Geno's Mii Costume has yet to return in Ultimate. We've had two Mii Costume waves that were pretty grabbag random and had nothing to do with the character and a Square character, yet it didn't appear in any of these. This is odd when you consider that bringing back the costume would just be free money for Square and that Square wouldn't be about making a Premium Mii Costume package that includes music and still only get $.75. It gets even more odd when you consider that Geno and Mallow's Spirits, which would be considered to be of their likeness and would require negotiations, are in the base game along with references to SMRPG enemies in Piranha Plant's Palutena's Guidance in which Plant was originally intended for the base game. Wouldn't they have already negotiated for his costume and included it with Wave 2 then?

    Some people may bring up the Heihachi costume returning as evidence that Geno's costume could still return, but Heihachi is a fighting game
    character and ARMS is technically a fighting game, so not only was the inclusion thematic but Heihachi was never really heavily requested and Lloyd Irving was always the leader for another Bamco character anyway.

  • The CacoMallow images and video have never been debunked all this time. Every possible argument brought up to disprove it has been properly countered and no single modder at that time could replicate it and no one came forward to own up to being the one who did it. When you consider how Ken was involved just like he was in his own Ken Debug leak, how the Cacodemon hat was designed to be more family-friendly, and how we just recently got a Bethesda costume in Vault Boy which proves that Nintendo and Bethesda have already negotiated on content being in the game...it becomes very hard to refute.

  • Most recently, the common man has now accepted that Spirits do not deconfirm due to Min Min's inclusion, even though the argument never made sense because so long as there is DLC or the game is still in it's active lifecycle the game can be updated and changed however they wish.
Yeah, this is all some heavy stuff, but even without all that and just the fan demand for all this time, Geno would still be inevitable. When a development team is responsive to the community and cares, it's only a matter of time before you get what you requested. Every Smash game has proven this to various degrees but Dragon Ball FighterZ is also proof of this as they just recently announced Master Roshi who was the MOST requested character to get in. This is just how this sort of scenario works, and it's why I believe that Geno will get into Smash eventually, no matter what.

Now I personally think he's coming very VERY soon, but I sadly cannot give my reasons for that. It's not that I can't explain them or that I have no reasons, but it's because I'm not at liberty to discuss such things.

Now, after all that, I think I will join on this trend going on here.



Boy, that was really hard to do when SMRPG has such great music that many of these options are interchangeable.
Glad that you coming into the Newcomer Thread

And I do agree with good amount of points, especially about Sora. While I don't think he's Impossible, I would be very Surprised if he got in. Disney does have relationship with Nintendo and has worked with them, but I don't exactly know if Disney and Sakurai are good combination, considering how Restricting Disney could be and how Sakurai states he needs alot of control over the character. it could happen though

However Since you Called Geno Inevitable, I'm gonna have to call out some points of yours. He's Still very Likely in my opinion and I have him in my prediction list (For now), but there are some things i disagree with

1. Cacomallow. It hasn't been truly disproved, but honestly there's nothing that Proves the leak is real either. it's caught in a grey are.

-Nintendo Never took down the Video when it was uploaded to Youtube, which is kind of a red flag

-I think there was something about the post actually originating from a Ulimate Mod french Discord. I'm not sure about that one so I'm gonna have to research that, but if true that's something to consider

-Vault boy I'd actually say's makes the leak look more fake actually. If the Cacodemon was Ready this whole time (since the video came out in November), It would have been wise to release that costume with Vault Boy. Vault Boy being put in the latest Mii Pack kinda makes it seems like that's all Bethasda is gonna get. if true that's not good for the leak, and I think it's likely that's what may happen

2. The Lack of Geno's Mii costume. It's suspicious yes, but I wouldn't 100% say that it will lead to him being Playable. I don't think they will just wait all thiis time to bring his old Costume back, but there is a Possiblity that they could make him a Premium Costume. He does check of alot of the flags that could point to a character being a Premium, and if the Costume looks especially nice, they might actually make it seem like a big deal and reveal it later on

Take how they waited to the Last minute to reveal Isaac's Return as an Assist Trophy. I believe i heard that Nintendo thought that would be hype for him to be return. Now I think they may have learned their lesson from that, but if they didn't then I could see them making a Really Nice Premium Costume and then showing it off later as a Hype surprise.

3.Speaking of Isaac, wasn't he also really talked about during Brawl. I notice it in the Geno thread alot, but you guys kind of neglect to mention Isaac when talking about the "Brawl Hypeman" even if Geno gets in, Isaac will still be left out. And honestly, for the Longest time he's had a more consistent Support than Geno. Geno from what I heard kinda started to die off during the era of Smash 4, up until his costume showed up in the DLC. Isaac just got bigger during that Period, especially since his AT decided not to show up that game

4. Dragon Ball fighterZ is not the best example to bring up. When I said that most of the characters added to Fighter was requested in the Geno thread, I did not mean that as a sign of Geno. Roshi was requested, but I wouldn't have called him the most requested Character, Especially when there were characters like Jiren and UI Goku

Dragon Ball doesn't really work as well because it's a contained game, in that it only contains the Dragon Ball universe. There are alot of Characters being brought up for DLC for FighterZ. Like i said, the only characters that were more Niche requests were Base Goku and Vegeta (in the West), Videl, and GT Goku (because people want OG DB Kid Goku)

Tekken I would say is better example cause that games does guests and is not 100% contained. Kiryu, despite being the most requested guest fighter for Tekken 7 hasn't gotten in yet, but we will have to see, I believe there was a hint for him for Season 4. They did put Geese back in season 1 and they have been bringing back Veterans like Anna and Lei, so they do listen. All I'm saying is that Dragon Ball and Smash are Way Different Scenarios and such

Personally you should have brought up stuff like the Mii Costume guy, and maybe the Legacy XP takedown, though we did discuss Legacy XP takedown here and alot of people here were skeptical about that. still I think it would help your points and such. I think those two points are more Valuable than Cacomallow is right now I would say. that's all, good post, Keep expressing
 

SMAASH! Puppy

Smash Legend
Joined
Feb 13, 2015
Messages
13,457
Location
Snake Man's stage from Metal Blade Solid
1. Cacomallow. It hasn't been truly disproved, but honestly there's nothing that Proves the leak is real either. it's caught in a grey are.

-Nintendo Never took down the Video when it was uploaded to Youtube, which is kind of a red flag

-I think there was something about the post actually originating from a Ulimate Mod french Discord. I'm not sure about that one so I'm gonna have to research that, but if true that's something to consider

-Vault boy I'd actually say's makes the leak look more fake actually. If the Cacodemon was Ready this whole time (since the video came out in November), It would have been wise to release that costume with Vault Boy. Vault Boy being put in the latest Mii Pack kinda makes it seems like that's all Bethasda is gonna get. if true that's not good for the leak, and I think it's likely that's what may happen
Even disregarding everything else, if Cacomallow was real, it would be in the game by now. Heck, it almost certainly would have been in the game by Byleth, potentially even by Terry. It is without a doubt 100% fake. Anyone who says otherwise is ignoring the timeline.
 
Last edited:

Animegamingnerd

Smash Ace
Joined
Dec 17, 2015
Messages
844
Location
Medford, Oregon
Glad that you coming into the Newcomer Thread

And I do agree with good amount of points, especially about Sora. While I don't think he's Impossible, I would be very Surprised if he got in. Disney does have relationship with Nintendo and has worked with them, but I don't exactly know if Disney and Sakurai are good combination, considering how Restricting Disney could be and how Sakurai states he needs alot of control over the character. it could happen though

However Since you Called Geno Inevitable, I'm gonna have to call out some points of yours. He's Still very Likely in my opinion and I have him in my prediction list (For now), but there are some things i disagree with

1. Cacomallow. It hasn't been truly disproved, but honestly there's nothing that Proves the leak is real either. it's caught in a grey are.

-Nintendo Never took down the Video when it was uploaded to Youtube, which is kind of a red flag

-I think there was something about the post actually originating from a Ulimate Mod french Discord. I'm not sure about that one so I'm gonna have to research that, but if true that's something to consider

-Vault boy I'd actually say's makes the leak look more fake actually. If the Cacodemon was Ready this whole time (since the video came out in November), It would have been wise to release that costume with Vault Boy. Vault Boy being put in the latest Mii Pack kinda makes it seems like that's all Bethasda is gonna get. if true that's not good for the leak, and I think it's likely that's what may happen

2. The Lack of Geno's Mii costume. It's suspicious yes, but I wouldn't 100% say that it will lead to him being Playable. I don't think they will just wait all thiis time to bring his old Costume back, but there is a Possiblity that they could make him a Premium Costume. He does check of alot of the flags that could point to a character being a Premium, and if the Costume looks especially nice, they might actually make it seem like a big deal and reveal it later on
This is for you.


Cacomallow is faker then Santa Claus at this point.
 

MeteoRain

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Jul 3, 2019
Messages
316
Location
BFE
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
Kaufman is as essential to the Shantae series as Nobuo is to Final Fantasy, which was unfortunate for the latest game. I'd go so far as to add half of every soundtrack from the Shantae series, especially from Pirate's Curse and Half Genie Hero, but I'll try to narrow it down.

Boss Battle
We Love Burning Town
Labyrinths
She's Got Moves
Sand in my Potion
Yo, Go Crazy!
Darkest Night
Arctic Justice
Final Boss Battle (Pirate's Curse)
Barrel-O-Mermaids
Cape Crustacean
The Sky Bridge

...And done. I nitpicked exactly one dozen. I didn't include anything from Seven Sirens on account of not playing it yet. I'm also not much of a fan of Dance Through the Danger, different strokes for different folks I suppose.
 
Last edited:

Arcane Jill

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Jul 28, 2020
Messages
77
Location
Makai
Here's a question I just thought of:

If your most wanted got in, what music tracks would you want to come with it?

Considering my most wanted is Young Wizard, from a mmorpg with literal hundreds of tracks and an entire nother game to pull content from, I'm gonna narrow it down to 10 and just list them, because embeding 10 tracks is both laggy and not very efficent. For me... I would pick these 10:

  • Wizard City Combat(Wizard101: Wizard City)
  • Vs Kane(Pirate101: Valencia)
  • Cool Ranch Combat(Pirate101: Cool Ranch)
  • Mirage Chronoverge Combat(Wizard101: Chronoverge, aka Vs Grandfather Spider)
  • Aquila Epic Combat(Wizard101: Tartarous, aka the Hell dungeon)
  • Dragonspyre Combat(Wizard101: Dragonspyre)
  • Monquista Combat(Pirate101: Monquista)
  • Vs Rasputin(Wizard101: Polaris)
  • Empyrea Zanadu Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
  • Empyrea Aero Plains Combat(Wizard101: Empyrea)
Yeah I know none of these names are particularly inspiring or anything, but it's the best I got.
Since Sharklord already did a great one for Touhou, I will do 5 for Guilty Gear instead.

 

cosmicB

Smash Ace
Joined
Nov 28, 2019
Messages
657
There are a number of requested characters that have gotten into Smash over the years, but Ultimate currently stands out as the game that has added the most long-term character requests of any Smash title thus far in terms of per release.

All the veterans cut from previous games, including Snake? Check.

Daisy? Check.

Ridley, the character heavily requested since N64/Melee and was meme'd because of how he would never happen? Check.

Simon Belmont, back to his original Conan style from a Konami that seemingly hate it's video game consumer base? Check.

King K Rool, the lad who most likely won the ballot but was lost to time after Rare left Nintendo and was thought to never return? Check.

The Hero, a legacy in Japan and a core part of their culture that got snubbed somehow for so many years? Check.

Banjo & Kazooie, known for being an irrelevant dead franchise owned by a direct competitor? Check.
This "fan request" stuff never sits right with me because it applies to so many more characters than the slots we have left. And of course, the ones people point to are always super western-centric like Geno, Isaac, Lloyd, etc.

Would you believe that Arle is the Geno of Japan as far as demand goes? In that case, what makes Geno more deserving than her in this alleged time of "ALL FAN REQUESTS GET HONORED!", and from a developer that seems to favor Japan as far as fan requests go anyway (Sakurai said Ninjara was considered as opposed to Twintelle who is the more popular of the two worldwide)? What about Ayumi Tachibana, another character Sakurai has directly mentioned, but decided against because demand is non-existent outside a certain region (sound familiar, doesn't it)? And speaking of stuff directly mentioned by Sakurai, why completely ignore a character like 2B, seeing as Nier Automata has been mentioned by him far more recently than Geno?

This "four horseman of fan demand!" thing with K Rool, Ridley, Banjo and Geno has always been dumb and is extremely reductive toward fanbases that aren't Geno, and this weird rewriting of history that people will beat you over with the idea "IT WAS ALWAYS THOSE 4!" only started after Banjo got in. I lived through the Brawl days too, so don't hit me with that nonsense.

Also, the full confidence 100% and flexing information that you supposedly have but can't give certainly contributes to why some aren't crazy about Geno threadgoers. It's like you're just repackaging stuff Fatman has said. I assume you became one of his confidants and are spreading the good word of his church? All of the circumstantial evidence you brought forth can be argued against, which is why putting anyone at 100% will always be nonsense.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom