Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

with EarthBound, Itoi said that he himself was done with the series and that he wouldn't mind seeing someone else take the reins

I'd imagine large and beloved Earthbound and Golden Sun would be one of the more difficult series to get Nintendo to allow others to make a game for. With how long their hiatuses are, they're gonna need well made, fully fledged titles to get anyone to like the new games, and said new games also have to live up to the hype. Whoever attempts to take over series like those really needs to know what they're doing.

That's the thing with Earthbound. It has such a distinct style to it that I don't know if Nintendo would be quick to give the reigns to somebody new, just because the intellectual part of the intellectual property is so specific. They'd kind of be asking one artist to mimic another one by doing that. It's 100% possible, but it's a question of whether Nintendo wants to put the effort in to do it right. That's why I said it's in a weird place. There's seemingly so much respect for the IP that it goes untouched so as not to besmirch it. Either that or the company just doesn't care that much about it, though I doubt that since Earthound has been ported so many times.

I could see Nintendo allowing someone else to make something Earthbound-adjacent, but only if they revive the series themselves first.

For Golden Sun, I almost wonder if it would pull a Final Fantasy if a new director took over. Put it in a new world with elements of the old so they aren't touching the vision of the original.

 

[MooMew64]

Indies are nice and all; there's usually at least one diamond in the rough in the bunch, but they're small potatoes. We want a General Direct; we want Nintendo's plans; not 3rd party games that's basically just gaming's equivalent to filler.

That's doing indies an incredibly huge disservice when the indie scene has given us gems such as Shovel Knight, A Hat in Time, Undertale, Celeste, and many more that are incredibly well made games.

I really wish we could ditch this mentality that "indies don't matter". It does the entire industry an incredible disservice to only constantly fixate on the AAA experiences. Heck, I personally have played indies that blow AAA experiences (even Nintendo's) out of the water IMO.

 

[Sc_Ev0lution]

I'm so ready for Luna Nights to not show up at this Indie Showcase.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Honestly I do feel for the indie games in this direct specifically. Yes you had impatient people in the past complaining about the lack of Smash or other triple A franchises when these titles were showcased, but they felt like they were the minority.

This time, in a summer that's perceived as a drought, with preexisting bitterness about the lack of reveals for the rest of 2020, and a general direct still not confirmed? It almost seems custom made to create online salt and very public complaints about the lack of big games. In fact the only mitigating factor is that after the Partner Showcase some might be more inclined to keep expectations low and ignore anything that's not advertised as a general direct with the idea that nothing in it is worthwhile.

And that's a telling sign when the best case scenario for better reception to a presentation is "Well hopefully certain types of fans won't think to watch it."

 

[MooMew64]

Just have Toby Fox make an official Mother game with Megalovania in it so we can finally come full circle.

Anyways, if we end up getting a Partner Showcase next week, my money is on Bravely showing up. It's been a bit since we last heard from it, so some news would be nice.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Just have Toby Fox make an official Mother game with Megalovania in it so we can finally come full circle.

I'm not so sure that's a good idea either. So far everything Toby Fox has touched has been very distinctly Undertale, even the Battle Tower theme for Pokémon Sword/Shield (Though I've heard that the piece was originally used for something Homestuck related?). I'm not entirely sure he could pull off the Earthbound style.

EDIT: Admittedly though I've never heard any of his compositions for Town.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I couldn't care less about Indies so this is business as usual to me. The length is interesting though, 20 minutes is pretty long, makes me wonder if things are getting better behind the scenes.

Still, I'm not expecting a real Direct any time soon.

 

[Dinoman96]

I couldn't care less about Indies so this is business as usual to me. The length is interesting though, 20 minutes is pretty long, makes me wonder if things are getting better behind the scenes.

Still, I'm not expecting a real Direct any time soon.

Except that the people who hinted at this IndieWorld being a thing are saying we're getting a Direct at the end of next week?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Except that the people who hinted at this IndieWorld being a thing are saying we're getting a Direct at the end of next week?

Don't believe them in the slightest. I'm stubborn that way.

EDIT: Or cynical. Whichever you prefer.

 

[Idon]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Well you see-

 

[GoodGrief741]

Except that the people who hinted at this IndieWorld being a thing are saying we're getting a Direct at the end of next week?

Insider hints can go either way, I'm paying attention but I see no point in getting excited now for something that may or may not pan out. If we get a Direct on the 28th cool, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Insider hints can go either way, I'm paying attention but I see no point in getting excited now for something that may or may not pan out. If we get a Direct on the 28th cool, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Not to mention that it doesn't automatically make the contents of said Direct exciting. Cause while we'll all be excited at a confirmation, it could also be massively disappointing

 

[Deleted member]

That's doing indies an incredibly huge disservice when the indie scene has given us gems such as Shovel Knight, A Hat in Time, Undertale, Celeste, and many more that are incredibly well made games.

I really wish we could ditch this mentality that "indies don't matter". It does the entire industry an incredible disservice to only constantly fixate on the AAA experiences. Heck, I personally have played indies that blow AAA experiences (even Nintendo's) out of the water IMO.

And each of those were, what, one in a year of several dozens? I'm not talking just Nintendo Indies; I'm talking all consoles. There's usually 1, if that, in a year that actually makes a name for itself. Its a great and wonderful achievement that they were able to make a name for themselves, but like I said, right now, nobody wants an Indie Direct. After a general direct? Sure! But right now, when we've been starved of Nintendo news for months? No, now's not the time.

If you think I was bashing Indie Games, I wasn't (just kind of joking...though as cool as Shovel Knight was, I'd still equate it to good filler). I'm just saying that stuff can wait; nobody wants to hear that right now. The Nintendo fanbase is starved for news on the first party IPs that got us all to buy a Nintendo console to begin with. The Indies can be bought on any platform; what we want is a direct to show us why we should be excited to be a Switch owner.

 

[MooMew64]

If you think I was bashing Indie Games, I wasn't. I'm just saying that stuff can wait; nobody wants to hear that right now. The Nintendo fanbase is starved for news on the first party IPs that got us all to buy a Nintendo console to begin with. The Indies can be bought on any platform; what we want is a direct to show us why we should be excited to be a Switch owner.

Seeing as how indies continue to see success on the console, I fail to see how this is a poor time to bolster the indie lineup to anyone other than Nintendo fans who honestly focus way too much on the Nintendo bubble and kind of don't acknowledge other things exist. Nintendo's released plenty this year though, and several of the good games the console has are indie games.

Coming from someone who plays a ton of Nintendo games (pretty near primarily), I encourage people here to please look past Nintendo titles. Both the Switch and other platforms have many, many, endearing, well made titles that are not made by Nintendo. I feel that Nintendo fans forget other games exist sometimes.

 

[Deleted member]

(just kind of joking...though as cool as Shovel Knight was, I'd still equate it to good filler).

What exactly defines "filler" for you? I wouldn't really call Shovel Knight a "filler" game.

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

The real reason nobody should get their hopes up for Smash news in an indie presentation, not even the tiniest bit, is because Japan's not getting the presentation at all. They've announced a Smash character in a Japan-exclusive Direct before (Shulk), but I highly doubt they'd announce Smash content in a broadcast that is fairly unambiguously for Western indie content. Even if they were to do an indie character in Smash, that'd be in a general Direct or a Smash-focused presentation.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The real reason nobody should get their hopes up for Smash news in an indie presentation, not even the tiniest bit, is because Japan's not getting the presentation at all. They've announced a Smash character in a Japan-exclusive Direct before (Shulk), but I highly doubt they'd announce Smash content in a broadcast that is fairly unambiguously for Western indie content. Even if they were to do an indie character in Smash, that'd be in a general Direct or a Smash-focused presentation.

Ah, so its a confirmation the Smash reveal will be for Western Character, got it.

 

[Homeboi]

I wish waddle dee was in smash! Its sad also that after the second fighters pass sakurai will most likely retire.

 

[SpectreJordan]

If you think I was bashing Indie Games, I wasn't (just kind of joking...though as cool as Shovel Knight was, I'd still equate it to good filler).

That’s the stinkiest take I’ve seen in a while.

 

[Deleted member]

I wish waddle dee was in smash! Its sad also that after the second fighters pass sakurai will most likely retire.

I dunno about retiring, but I doubt the Second Pass is the end. Even then there are still 4 slots left... so theres still a small chance. He's not out of the running just yet.

 

[MooMew64]

I wish waddle dee was in smash! Its sad also that after the second fighters pass sakurai will most likely retire.

I don't think you have to worry about Sakurai retiring, not when Sakurai himself has said as long people want it, he'll keep making it.

Plus, Smash is a franchise that makes the big bucks, Nintendo ain't gonna stop after Ultimate. Will it go away for a while? Probably, but that's normal for Smash. It'll stick around.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh also idk if it’s even close to done but even a teaser for Deltarune ch 2

been waiting two years already,,

 

[Deleted member]

Oh also idk if it’s even close to done but even a teaser for Deltarune ch 2

been waiting two years already,,

Honestly I kinda forgot about that game. didn't toby say just the first chapter alone took 2 years to make?

 

[ROBnWatch]

That's the thing with Earthbound. It has such a distinct style to it that I don't know if Nintendo would be quick to give the reigns to somebody new, just because the intellectual part of the intellectual property is so specific. They'd kind of be asking one artist to mimic another one by doing that. It's 100% possible, but it's a question of whether Nintendo wants to put the effort in to do it right. That's why I said it's in a weird place. There's seemingly so much respect for the IP that it goes untouched so as not to besmirch it. Either that or the company just doesn't care that much about it, though I doubt that since Earthound has been ported so many times.

I could see Nintendo allowing someone else to make something Earthbound-adjacent, but only if they revive the series themselves first.

Meanwhile...

I mean, ya, they specifically rebranded the “Mother 4” fangame to this to avoid being hit by Nintendo, but still. This hits a lot of similar notes, while still being its own thing.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Meanwhile...

I mean, ya, they specifically rebranded the “Mother 4” fangame to this to avoid being hit by Nintendo, but still. This hits a lot of similar notes, while still being its own thing.

As far as I'm concerned, that game still is and will always be Mother 4.

 

[ROBnWatch]

As far as I'm concerned, that game still is and will always be Mother 4.

For legal reasons, it’s Oddity. But in our heads, it’s Mother 4.

 

[Jomosensual]

Not to mention that it doesn't automatically make the contents of said Direct exciting. Cause while we'll all be excited at a confirmation, it could also be massively disappointing

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Mine's pretty easy
Nathan Drake - Sony
Hollow Knight - Indie
Phoenix Wright - Too much competition from other potential Capcom reps

 

[cashregister9]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Estelle: Too obscure in the west
Saber: The original game is too lewd
Sakura: Character has too much competition with Kiryu
Crash: Activision bad give like
Sora: Disney is weird

 

[Deleted member]

What exactly defines "filler" for you? I wouldn't really call Shovel Knight a "filler" game.

I dunno...I guess a game that you can sit down and beat in like 3 hrs. It's kind of a broad definition, to be honest. Y'know, might not have been the best word choice on my part since I'd probably classify Megaman under that as well lol.

Alright, nevermind; just ignore my earlier post entirely. I just wanna know the first party IPs they got planned more than the Indies right now, that's all.

 

[Flyboy]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Travis Touchdown is by all intents and purposes a Mature indy character. Grasshopper Manufacture is not a large company, and while Travis has gotten the spotlight in several Directs (plus TGA), and has a lot going for him, so did Resident Evil - a much more successful and well-known franchise. The No More Heroes series is by all intents and purposes a niche series and despite the copyright leak we still don't even have official confirmation that his original two games are going to be available on a modern platform any time soon. With how long Suda and the fans have been asking for him, I just feel like he would have happened already, and if other indies like Shovel Knight or Shantae missed the boat, why would they pick Travis? As it stands, he'd be a perfect Mii costume as he does fight with a sword, or even a spirit event (again, if bigger third parties like Resident Evil or Nintendo franchises like Ring Fit Adventure aren't spared, why should what is ostensibly an indy fare better?). Furthermore, while it seems that the Z CERO rating is what prevents a character from being in Smash and that doesn't apply to NMH, the amount of censorship for his language, blood, and other problematic elements like NPC spirits and music...well, would Nintendo really go that far for a series that is mostly known for being That Weird Mature Game On Wii? Doubtful.

I just don't think that Nintendo will gain anything from his addition, either. People who want to buy NMH3 will buy NMH3. People who won't won't be swayed by Smash. If they want to give him spirits or a costume, he'd be fine in those roles too. When you have so many other characters that have more legacy, larger fanbases, more gaming history, more sales, more star power, and would require less toning down to make work...well, it certainly doesn't bode well for him, and if he's not in this pass I don't think he's ever getting into Smash.

 

[Perkilator]

Speaking of Smash, are we all in agreement that there will NOT be a reveal in this showcase? Because we all know about THOSE people...

Speaking of nature, are we all in agreement that water is NOT dry?

Of course there won't be anything Smash-related at a Direct focused on indies.

 

[Calamitas]

kelios gives the exact date of a Nintendo Direct in advance twice in a row

"Eh, I dunno man, he didn't tell us it was a new type of Direct nobody was anticipating. He probably just guessed and knows nothing."

Wait, when'd he mention the second one?

 

[SharkLord]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Reimu-Indie, niche despite her iconic status, isn't that popular beyond Japan and the doujin circles, not much Nintendo connections
Bandana Dee-Moveset isn't as unique, Kirby has enough content, not DLC material
Klonoa-Hahaha... Please, just let me dream...

 

[Deleted member]

Delete pls

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno...I guess a game that you can sit down and beat in like 3 hours

So..almost every game ever?

 

[SneakyLink]

Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.

1. The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
2. The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
3. The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
4. The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
5. The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
6. The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.

In my case, I'll go with...

1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.

Let's see what you do.

1. Darkhorse - Min Min
2. Legend - Master Chief
3. Outsider - Ryza
4. Fan Favorite - Crash
5. Wild Card - Otto Matic
6. Promotional - The avatar for the next Fire Emblem game

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

These jerks are my most-wanted characters.

With exception of Porky, maybe Medusa, I don't think I need any additional reminders/reasons as to why not a single one of them will ever be put in Smash.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Speaking of nature, are we all in agreement that water is NOT dry?

Of course there won't be anything Smash-related at a Direct focused on indies.

Jokes on you, we weren't talking about Nature.

Although unfortunately, there are people who STILL think Indie = Smash, for some reason.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Like geez, half of the top threads come as as super entitled "GIVE ME A GENERAL DIRECT *****!" kinda people

I mean, I don't really care either. It's an Indie Direct. It's gonna be 20 minute video of a bunch of Steam games I probably already have getting ported to Switch. Never anything I get excited over.

 

[I.D.]

Wait, when'd he mention the second one?

I was talking about the march mini direct and the partner direct from last month. In reference to the people now trying to use him as an example of not being trustworthy because they didn't like what we got last month.