Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[XorahnGaia]

See, I know that "patterns" don't really mean anything this year, but I still find it promising that they managed to have their annual "IndieWorld around the time of Gamescom". Even if don't get anything next week, there's still a strong possibility that we'll have our usual September General Direct.

The only that makes me doubtful for next week is the fact that according to the Era Insiders the Mario 3D collection is still supposed to come out in September, and that would will a really tight wind to announce it and open up pre-orders if the 28th is really the date of the Direct.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If anything, this shows Nintendo is starting to get their stride back.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

1. The Wild Card - Bionic Commando - We're overdue for another old school rep and there's enough elements from the newer games to make him work.
2. The Outsider - Pyramid Head - Silent Hill's the last major Konami franchise not repped and horror games have not had much presence in Smash yet.
3. The Legend - Crash Bandicoot - Essentially the last major platforming mascot not in the game.
4. The Fan Favorite - Geno - More or less acknowledged as the fan requested character and would follow in the K Rool path of being upgraded from a Mii costume.
5. The Darkhorse - Prince of Persia. Great series with a decent history on Nintendo and with potential as far as moveset.
6. The Promotional Pick - Min Min. Pretty much speaks for itself.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If anything, this shows Nintendo is starting to get their stride back.

Eeeeeh. Maybe. It does mean they were finally able to get something edited, but considering the previous game was still a shadow drop on twitter, there's a long way to go from a short video showcasing everyone else's stuff every once and a while to a full on Nintendo Direct.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

1. Wild Card - An indie character, whether it's Shovel Knight becoming playable or a new character from an indie game not currently in Smash.
2. Outsider - Kiryu Kazama. Only two Yakuza games were ported to the Wii U, and barely anyone knows that said ports exist.
3. Legend - Crash Bandicoot. The last piece of the "Nintendo Vs. Sega Vs. Sony" puzzle.
4. Fan Favorite - Geno. Needs no introduction at this point.
5. Darkhorse - Phoenix Wright. I'm putting him here because everyone (at least in this thread) seems to think Dante is somehow much more likely.
6. Promo Pick - Min Min. If she's the closest thing Fighters Pass 2 will have to Byleth, I certainly won't complain.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If the five I chose are the five remaining characters I'd be pretty satisfied because I would get four that I wanted Min Min included, those being 2B, Crash, and Elma.

 

[Garteam]

Getting an Indie world is definitely good, but keep in mind it doesn't guarantee a direct in the semi-near future. Nintendo is still very much playing by the seat of their pants and things can change fast behind the scenes.

But yeah, this is a nice surprise.

 

[KillerCage]

Dante as an outsider despite literally half of all DMC games being on Switch sounds wrong

To be fair, the Devil May Cry series was not on Nintendo consoles UNTIL the Switch.

 

[Deleted member]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

 

[Aetheri]

Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.

1. The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
2. The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
3. The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
4. The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
5. The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
6. The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.

In my case, I'll go with...

1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.

Let's see what you do.

Wild Card: Elma

Outsider: Master Chief

The Legend: Crash Bandicoot

Fan Favourite: Geno

Darkhorse: Travis Touchdown

Promo:

 

[MooMew64]

Huh, Indie World actually happening. Neat. Can't say I expected that.

Still not buying the "August is busy" stuff from NateDrake.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Easy, just list your reasons why they're unlikely, but pretend you're not sad about it.

Amaterasu shouldn't be in because while Ōkami may be a cult classic, it was a commercial failure, and there are so many other Capcom franchises that should get in before it like Devil May Cry, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, etc.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Alright. But on the condition that we ACTUALLY argue against them and don't do that job interview crap where we try to sell negatives as a positive.

Devil's Advocate: Gardevoir

Gardevoir is a fan favourite but nowhere near the levels of a bunch of Generation 1 Pokemon like Blastoise and Gengar have. Not to mention that Gardevoir's archetype of the lightweight "magic" user has been taken by Princess Zelda.

Side note: I refuse to even acknowledge the "disturbing fanart= no go" mentality that goes around for Gardevoir. Bayo-poldancingtoflexonheven-netta is in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Gonna post what I posted on twitter in reaction to the indie direct

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On a more serious note, I don't think anything special is gonna be revealed. If I'm wrong it'll be cool but I'm going in with low expectations.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Oh cool, an excuse to be pessimistic

Rhythm Heaven - Dead series, already considered yet ultimately scrapped, rhythm mechanic wouldn't work out well

Steve - Western franchises don't seem as favored compared to Japanese ones, competition with Master Chief. Overall more likely as a Mii Costume

Elma- irrelevant, game stuck on a different planet Wii U, competition with Rex

Farmer - Niche, might be a bit too similar to Villager/Isabelle, steep competition with fellow Marvelous rep Travis Touchdown

Sora - Disney

 

[Deleted member]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Wizard101- dead game(almost anyway) and it would be very difficult to code if I have to be honest, and even harder to find someone to represent the game considering the massive amount of characters, ranging from normal humans to anthro foxs, bears, dragons, trees, etc

Blaster Blade/Jace Belren/Blond Ezel- Card games. What else can I say? It's not happening.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Alright. But on the condition that we ACTUALLY argue against them and don't do that job interview crap where we try to sell negatives as a positive.

Devil's Advocate: Gardevoir

Gardevoir is a fan favourite but nowhere near the levels of a bunch of Generation 1 Pokemon like Blastoise and Gengar have. Not to mention that Gardevoir's archetype of the lightweight "magic" user has been taken by Princess Zelda.

Side note: I refuse to even acknowledge the "disturbing fanart= no go" mentality that goes around for Gardevoir. Bayo-poldancingtoflexonheven-netta is in Smash.

Gardevoir did do better than Blastoise and Gengar on Google's recent poll though? And yes, as someone who thinks Eevee is a bigger omission than any Gen 8 or grass starter Pokemon, I too will have to disregard any disturbing fanart of it or its evolutions.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Elma was already done so I’ll do Black Shadow, KOS-MOS and Octoling

Black Shadow - “just an excuse to dump Ganondorf’s old moveset onto”, no new F-Zero game any time soon
Octoling - Echo or bust apparently
KOS-MOS - lmao Xenosaga HD Trilogy got scrapped; competition with Dark Souls, Klonoa, Lloyd and Nightmare how will she ever win?! /s

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Gardevoir did do better than Blastoise and Gengar on Google's recent poll though? And yes, as someone who thinks Eevee is a bigger omission than any Gen 8 or grass starter Pokemon, I too will have to disregard any disturbing fanart of it or its evolutions.

Depends on the poll used but it did make me happy to see that Gardevoir did so well on it, given there was a pool of nearly 1000 to choose from.

 

[Goombaic]

Finally, Silksong news is approaching. Indie World coming up makes the rumors about a general direct being soon look likely enough, but I don't know. I'm not entirely convinced but would love to be proven wrong. Let's see how things go.

And yes, as someone who thinks Eevee is a bigger omission than any Gen 8 or grass starter Pokemon, I too will have to disregard any disturbing fanart of it or its evolutions.

"Fun fact about Vaporeon..."

 

[SpectreJordan]

Indie Worlds can be cool. Goose Game was announced in one last year & that was one of my favorite games of 2019.

 

[Garteam]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Crash - Language barrier for negotiations, likely costs a metric ****ton of money to license, and the N. Sane Trilogy (while massive successful in other parts of the world) underperformed in Japan.

Bandana Waddle Dee - It hasn't happened yet despite being a popular idea for awhile, FP1 was mostly third parties, and we haven't gotten a supporting character in a DLC pack yet (although Min Min sort of rides this line a bit, but "everyone is a main character" and all that).

 

[Perkilator]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Sora and Crash poisoned my water supply, burned my crops and delivered a plague onto our houses.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Nice, probably some Silksong news.

Not really expecting a Direct anytime soon though. If we get something else in August, I think it will probably be another Partner Showcase - otherwise, why even bother introducing that format and breaking up content that could have gone into a regular Direct?

As far as CP7 goes, Amiibo theory has been consistent for the most part, so I think September is when we'll see our next challenger, at the latest.

So there are two big possibilities in my mind now: either we get another special presentation "Mr. Sakurai presents ???" in August or we get the announcement and release in September (the second time a character would be revealed and released in the same month).

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Dixie Kong - The 4th most prominent character in a series that's not as prominent as it once was is not exactly the most exciting pick and she would need a bit of a gimmick to make her moveset that interesting.

Bandanna Dee - Lacks the broader potential that other Kirby characters have in regards to moves and his overall aesthetic leans too much into blandly cute than the more memorable design that Meta Knight and Dedede have and someone like a Daroach or Magalor would have.

Mallow - Home game is long past irrelevant and the character would have far less impact than Geno; to to mention that their special moves would be harder to put into a workable set of moves.

 

[SKX31]

You know what would be an interesting change of place instead of listing our most wanted under a different guise every 3 pages in this thread?

How about you list your most wanted and argue against them. Let's see how well people can play devil's advocate; that might turn out pretty interesting.

Hoo boy:

Dota 2: Potential nightmare to balance depending on the character selected. The first criteria is especially important since Dota 2's filled to the brim with characters designed in a -esque way (incredibly strong in certain areas, weak in others) - that's much more risky in a 1 v 1 than in a 5 v 5.

The "Valve has no Nintendo presence until that point" is also going to be a potentially negative factor.

Also:

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[Professor Pumpkaboo]

gotta be honest, I dont care about a direct anymore

 

[TwiceEXE]

Well hopefully we get the Smash reveal in the Direct on the 28th. I can't imagine the destitute feelings if we get nothing or another guessing game. The next character may be the last one this year with 4 coming next year.

 

[MooMew64]

gotta be honest, I dont care about a direct anymore

Nintendo has already won the year with a portable Pikmin anyway, so yeah, a Direct is uneeded.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

If a Direct does occur next week it will be interesting to see what degree of "This was not worth the wait" will be present.

Heaven help the Nintendo social media people if the Smash reveal is underwhelming, let alone if it doesn't happen after this long a wait.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If a Direct does occur next week it will be interesting to see what degree of "This was not worth the wait" will be present.

Heaven help the Nintendo social media people if the Smash reveal is underwhelming, let alone if it doesn't happen after this long a wait.

Hey, one person’s trash is another person’s treasure. I think it’s safe to say if by any chance Elma and/or Neku and/or Octoling are confirmed you’ll be seeing a lot less of me around these parts haha

cause I’ll finally have gotten something I wanted

 

[Garteam]

A direct on the 28th would be a major monkey's paw situation for me. I'm taking the LSAT on the 29th, so I'm hoping for as few distractions as possible lol.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Bets are still on another mini direct with no Smash reveal. Betting on that now.

 

[MooMew64]

If a Direct does occur next week it will be interesting to see what degree of "This was not worth the wait" will be present.

Heaven help the Nintendo social media people if the Smash reveal is underwhelming, let alone if it doesn't happen after this long a wait.

Heck, I'm terrified of what the Indie World livechat will be like given the current Direct drought. That thing is already bad, but with how on edge people are? Hooooo boy, I wouldn't be surprised if they have to mute it for this one.

How are people even reacting to the news of an Indie World? I expect the..."loud" parts of the fandom who have been the most vocal over the lack of news are giving them an earful on Twitter.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't know if this 28th Direct is even going to be a standard Direct.

 

[Deleted member]

How are people even reacting to the news of an Indie World? I expect the..."loud" parts of the fandom who have been the most vocal over the lack of news are giving them an earful on Twitter.

Yeah... uh... Twitter people are not happy to say the least

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Like geez, half of the top threads come as as super entitled "GIVE ME A GENERAL DIRECT *****!" kinda people

 

[SneakyLink]

I don't know if this 28th Direct is even going to be a standard Direct.

Maybe it won’t even be a direct. Rather, it will announce a livestream for another game (doesn’t necessarily have to be Smash).

 

[RileyXY1]

Maybe it won’t even be a direct. Rather, it will announce a livestream for another game (doesn’t necessarily have to be Smash).

That would basically be a death knell to Direct chances if they do this for the Mario remasters. There's also been rumors of a Switch port of Skyward Sword.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know if this 28th Direct is even going to be a standard Direct.

I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if we get a major news dump on the anniversary of having no directs as a sorta big coincidence, 16 days from now if my math is correct.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Yeah... uh... Twitter people are not happy to say the least

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patience, young padawan. General directs (even if mini) ALWAYS follow an indie

then again this is Twitter, where nobody is satisfied ever