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MooMew64

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Didn't the mod also have Shadow and Metal Sonic? Or are Mario characters the only ones that matter now?
If you're talking about Legacy XP, yeah, it had Metal Sonic and Shadow in it.

Where did the theory LegacyXP's takedown meant anything come from, anyways? Was it PapaGenos? For some reason I remember it coming from PapaGenos.

Oh, and coming from a diehard Waluigi supporter: LegacyXP's takedown means nothing and is a grasping at straws kind of theory. It's overthinking a simple mod takedown. Heck, now that I think about it, I don't even think LegacyXP went down because of Nintendo: People just speculated that it did.
 

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Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
In my case, I'll go with...
  1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
  2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
  3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
  4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
  5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
  6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.
Let's see what you do.
The Outsider- Sakura Shinguji/Amamiya
Legend- Brash Candicoot
Fan Favorite- Sora
Darkhorse- Estelle and/or Saber
Promo- Gen 8 Pokemon
 

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Something something Earthbound reference.

Banjo actually looks pretty cute in this picture, which is an achievement because I normally feel that something is off design wise when looking at him. His models look good in Banjo-Kazooie and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, but his renders are usually just...odd looking, even in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.
 
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MooMew64

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Was it ever proven that Nintendo themselves sent a cease and desist to PM or Legacy XP? 'Cause interestingly enough, alongside things like 2D Mario hacking, Smash Bros. modding and fangames is actually a part of the Nintendo fandom that Nintendo pretty much leaves alone, despite being one of their top earners. I can't remember hearing any of the major projects having official takedowns issued by Nintendo themselves, it's only ever been speculated as far as I know.
 
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Was it ever proven that Nintendo themselves sent a cease and desist to PM or Legacy XP? 'Cause interestingly enough, alongside things like 2D Mario hacking, Smash Bros. modding and fangames is actually a part of the Nintendo fandom that Nintendo pretty much leaves alone, despite being one of their top earners. I can't remember hearing any of the major projects having official takedowns issued by Nintendo themselves, it's only ever been speculated as far as I know.
There was testimony from a former Project M dev that heavily implied it (as far as I remember, at least. It could've been an outright confirmation), but most of the team will swear to you up and down that there was no legal action taken, and they cancelled Project M because of the FEAR of legal action.
 

7NATOR

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Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
In my case, I'll go with...
  1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
  2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
  3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
  4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
  5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
  6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.
Let's see what you do.
I'm gonna try to use Characters that aren't Speculated to heavily nowadays, or characters I usually Talk about (so No Shadow)

Wild Card: Bomberman. Do whatever in this Spot

Outsider: Baldi. Unlike Slenderman, he started out as a Game. Slender is in that grey area with Geralt and I'm not gonna touch that right now Anyway his game blew up on Youtube in the day, and kinda more recent too. I believe the creator is trying to make another game. He's a figure in the indie world. yes

Legend: CJ from Grand Theft Auto. Grand Theft Auto is one of the most successful gaming franchises of all time. Legend in the game. The 3d Era games put GTA on the map, and CJ was the game that really blew up the world, i guess.

Fan Favorite: Skull Kid. Apparently this man back in the day beat Everyone in a Fan Poll once, though there was speculation that it was botted. anyway yeah he's popular character within Zelda Fanbase and Smash fanbase. put him in

Darkhorse Pick: Battletoads. Iconic characters but they are more niche nowadays compared to their SNES Days. However the Body Shifting be cool. Yes

Promotional Pick: Min-Min. She was promoting ARMS, the Franchise
 

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What character could bring the Best/Most interesting Stage?
-A Gen 8 Pokemon could bring the Galar Wild Area which would fit like a glove in smash
-Neku could bring the real location of Shibuya and that would be funny
-Phoenix Wright could bring a courtroom and that is also just funny
 

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If you're talking about Legacy XP, yeah, it had Metal Sonic and Shadow in it.

Where did the theory LegacyXP's takedown meant anything come from, anyways? Was it PapaGenos? For some reason I remember it coming from PapaGenos.

Oh, and coming from a diehard Waluigi supporter: LegacyXP's takedown means nothing and is a grasping at straws kind of theory. It's overthinking a simple mod takedown. Heck, now that I think about it, I don't even think LegacyXP went down because of Nintendo: People just speculated that it did.
Geno thread talked about it for about 2 pages when it got taken down in March of this year. I also noticed around that time and was sad, but also was theorizing that it could have meant Shadow perhaps

Papagenos then comes out and talks about evidence that points to Geno and Waluigi, but has nothing to do with them being Mario characters or Spirits/Assists, and that other characters fit this mold, but were considered unlikely by him. He also 100% trust this source and that talking about it could have legal ramifications

The speculation is that there was evidence found that the Legacy XP mod was proven to have been taken down for Reasons dealing with Smash DLC. this would mean the other unlikely characters would be Metal Sonic and Shadow. I agree with that statement in terms of Metal Sonic, Shadow...not so much

I've said it before, but I doubt Legacy XP being taken down means anything for Waluigi and Geno. Waluigi is in Super Smash Flash 2 and Geno is in Super Smash Bros Crusade and neither of those fan games have been taken down.
The things with those games is that those use Sprites, while Legacy XP uses Models, which Smash also uses

this means Crusade and SSF2 could file under Parody, and it might be harder to try to get those taken down and such. Legacy XP not only uses Models, but also uses the Assets of a official game through modding, so there is a case for that

the Biggest thing against the takedown meaning anything personally is that Nintendo haven't gone for the mods of Ultimate Characters like Joker in Brawl. Maybe it's harder to trace, but it's very weird

I also don't think Waluigi is the reason is taken Down.. He's in Brawl minus and that Mod has been around for ages and still getting updates. Personally if the mod was for something it's either for Geno, or it's for Shadow...or Both
 

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Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
In my case, I'll go with...
  1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
  2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
  3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
  4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
  5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
  6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.
Let's see what you do.
The Outsider - 2B: Nier: Automata is in a similar place that Persona 5 is. A new entry in a previously niche serious that became a surprise hit & has become one of the most beloved games this gen. 2B is a modern icon, she’s pretty well known amongst modern gamers & has seen her fair share of crossovers already. One of Sakurai’s goals is to show the world how great Japanese games are & Nier: Automata is a prime example of that.

The Legend - Master Chief: Master Chief is arguably the most iconic video game character not in Smash yet (Crash & Steve are his competition). Halo is one of the most influential & beloved series of the past two decades. I actually feel there’s some similarities between Halo & Dragon Quest. They both have had insane launches that drew huge lines & national news coverage. Their fanbases have the similar reverence for their series. Dragon Quest has influenced the fantasy genre across all of Japanese media, while Halo has influenced the sci-fi genre across all of American media.

The Fan Favorite - Geno: Smash Ultimate has become the game where dreams finally come true. We’ve gotten the long awaited arrivals of Ridley, King K Rool & Banjo. I think Geno could join them next. Yes, he’s an irrelevant side character from a 24 year old game but his fanbase has kept on supporting him for very long & that seems to be something that keeps getting rewarded in Ultimate.

The Dark Horse - Mike Haggar: The beat ‘em up genre is one of the few old school genres without any representation in Smash. This is surprising since I imagine Sakurai is a fan of the genre since he seems to love arcade era games. So perhaps it’s time we finally see that genre get some love in Smash. Sure we could see Double Dragon’s Billy & Jimmy or Streets of Rage’s Axel Stone. But I think Final Fight’s Haggar would bring the best moveset, being a rare DLC heavy, & some fantastic music to boot.

The Promotional Pick: Rex & Pyra - The Xenoblade series is something that Nintendo seems keen on pushing. They definitely want to see this series grow & become one of their staple IPs. Adding another Xenoblade character to Smash would be a great way of the continued push to advertise this series. We could see Fiora or Elma but Rex has the support of both a passionate fanbase & Sakurai behind him, so that’d be a good way to please everyone while still promoting the Xenoblade series.

Alternatively make Min-Min the Promotional Pick & then:

The Wild Card - Ratchet & Clank: Who could see Sony playing nicely with both Nintendo AND Microsoft? There’s no way in hell this will happen but it’d be amazing. I chose Ratchet over Kratos or Nathan Drake because of the series’s longevity. It’s the longest running, active PlayStation series; most PlayStation series bow out after a couple entries but Ratchet & Clank keep on chugging. The duo would also have a fun moveset with lots of content for the Smash team to pull from. In this scenario, they’d be the last characters revealed because there’s no topping actual PlayStation characters joining Smash.
 
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Mr. Game + Watch

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Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
In my case, I'll go with...
  1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
  2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
  3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
  4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
  5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
  6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.
Let's see what you do.
I literally just put my most wanted characters for the fighter pass 2 on this. And they seem to all fit the descriptions.
  1. Wild Card-Geno. Geno because he has lots of moveset potential and I personally like his design.
  2. Outsider-Steve. Steve might be a stretch to say that he is an outsider but technically he only has one game on the switch. (Minecraft story mode and Minecraft dungeons to my knowledge don’t have Steve.)
  3. Legend-Doomguy. Founder of FPS games and I hope he has both his old design and his new design.
  4. Fan Favorite-Waluigi. Waluigi should get in because he would finish the Mario and Luigi vs. wario and waluigi rivalry group in smash. And I think he has suffered enough. Waah Waluigi time!
  5. Darkhorse-Crazy Dave. Crazy Dave is my most wanted character. I do wish he was speculated more. Brawlfan1 moveset on him start my want for him and playing plant vs zombies 1 and 2 made me want him even more. He has plenty of moveset potential because he could use the plants for attacks and other things.
  6. Promotional Pick-Min Min. I didn’t want her really but I am glad she is in because I really like her moveset.
 

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I literally just put my most wanted characters for the fighter pass 2 on this. And they seem to all fit the descriptions.
  1. Wild Card-Geno. Geno because he has lots of moveset potential and I personally like his design.
  2. Outsider-Steve. Steve might be a stretch to say that he is an outsider but technically he only has one game on the switch. (Minecraft story mode and Minecraft dungeons to my knowledge don’t have Steve.)
  3. Legend-Doomguy. Founder of FPS games and I hope he has both his old design and his new design.
  4. Fan Favorite-Waluigi. Waluigi should get in because he would finish the Mario and Luigi vs. wario and waluigi rivalry group in smash. And I think he has suffered enough. Waah Waluigi time!
  5. Darkhorse-Crazy Dave. Crazy Dave is my most wanted character. I do wish he was speculated more. Brawlfan1 moveset on him start my want for him and playing plant vs zombies 1 and 2 made me want him even more. He has plenty of moveset potential because he could use the plants for attacks and other things.
  6. Promotional Pick-Min Min. I didn’t want her really but I am glad she is in because I really like her moveset.
Minecraft dungeons does have steve though
Id also argue that steve also fits in the legend catogory
 

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Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
In my case, I'll go with...
  1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
  2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
  3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
  4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
  5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
  6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.
Let's see what you do.
1. The Outsider: Noctis Lucis Caelum from Final Fantasy XV. If Akuma, Gesse Howard and Heihachi is in this game, then he is next in line to appears in Smash. Most of his appearance are in the Playstation and mobile side of gaming. He is going to be like Joker where he only appears in a Nintendo games by technically (spin-off and downgraded version of Final Fantasy XV).

2. The Legend: Anyone from Metal Max/Metal Saga. This JRPG franchise is going to have a 30th anniversary celebration next year, and I felt like no one is aware of this series. Since Dragon Quest uses the most recent character, then Metal Max could pick Talis from Metal Max Xeno. Just like Dragon Quest, Metal Max may receives some hate from the western audience.

3. The Fan Favorite: KOS-MOS from Xenosaga. She is a pretty minor pick in the grand scheme as she is going against other Bandai Namco characters and Xenoblade characters.

4. The Darkhorse: ...who to choose, well, what about Cadence from Crypt of the Necrodancer whom game made a large impression toward some Nintendo devs that they were okay with lending their Zelda IP to made a crossover between the two series.

5. The Promotional Pick: Euden from Dragalia Lost. This character already met Marth, Mega Man, Monster Hunter (Berserker and Vanessa), Rathalos and Chrom who are already in Smash. If crossover continues to happen in Dragalia Lost, and Euden is still meeting some more Smash characters in the future, then he should be allow in Smash in some form or another.
 
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Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
In my case, I'll go with...
  1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
  2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
  3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
  4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
  5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
  6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.
Let's see what you do.
:ultminmin Will be the promo pick for this list
Wildcard: Midna
Outsider: Dante
Legend: Sora
Fan Favorite: Issac
Darkhorse: Reimu
 

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If the Legacy XP thing was really a legal takedown, why wouldn't the whole team admit that? Nintendo isn't going to force you to sign an NDA that prevents you from saying you were legally threatened. That's literally not something they can do. There's no shortage of people throughout the years getting openly C&D'd by Nintendo or admitting as such, so what makes Legacy XP different?

Is the logic behind the people thinking this means anything that the entire team is just lying about not being C&D'd for hype reasons?
 

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If the Legacy XP thing was really a legal takedown, why wouldn't the whole team admit that? Nintendo isn't going to force you to sign an NDA that prevents you from saying you were legally threatened. That's literally not something they can do. There's no shortage of people throughout the years getting openly C&D'd by Nintendo or admitting as such, so what makes Legacy XP different?

Is the logic behind the people thinking this means anything that the entire team is just lying about not being C&D'd for hype reasons?
Well honestly, I Don't know. I guess some didn't want to talk about it or something? I don't know what the rest of the teams said, but I know one said no, and one said yes. It's weird

That's why i say this situation is weird.Maybe it could be they wanted The Team to take it down themselves or something. honestly its weird scenraio.
 

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I disconnected from the media for a week, and came back to see nothing besides Pikmin 3 for Switch. I can still wait, but I sure as hope the wait will be worth it.
 

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Banjo trips over and Inkling boy sprays his splatter shot all over him.

Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
In my case, I'll go with...
  1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
  2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
  3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
  4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
  5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
  6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.

Let's see what you do.
Here is mine. Decided to put my amateur photoshop skills to some use again.

Fighter pass 2 wishlist with Min Min challenge 2.png


Outsider pick - Sir Daniel Fortesque - I can't really think of many Non-Nintendo third party characters that haven't made appearances on Nintendo platforms that would be suitable for Smash. I decided to go with Sir Daniel Fortesque. It'll obviously never happen because he's a Sony first party character and he's not highly requested. It's a shame though because he'd definitely fit right in with the Smash cast, much better than Kratos would.
Despite being a sword fighter, he would have a pretty unique moveset. His forward tilt would make him walk while spinning his sword around on his torso. He can use throwing knives, javelins, hammers, bows and even a blunderbuss.

Legend pick - Crash Bandicoot - I think Crash has enough of a legacy to be considered a legendary pick, although he could be seen more as a fan favourite. I think Crash Bandicoot has a pretty good chance of appearing in this fighters pass since he is highly requested and is relevant in this day and age. Question is, who could stop him from appearing? Could it be Activision for asking for more than Nintendo is willing or will it be Nintendo themselves for looking more in house or characters closer to home?
Crash Bandicoot would mostly feel pretty basic. His basic attack would be his iconic crash spin. Walking forward would make him walk and spin kind of like Megaman's forward tilt. You got the fruit bazooka for his neutral special, death tornado spin for his side special, his jetpack from Crash 2 as his Up Special and his super charged body slam as his down special.

Fan Favourite character - Sora - To be honest, you can switch Crash and Sora around and the roles fit them just as much but I digress. I think Sora has a good chance of appearing in Fighter Pass 2 and I don't think Disney would be that heartless (No pun intended) as to keep Sora out from Smash. It'd probably be weird to see Disney in the copyright area.
Sora has plenty of moves to work with but I'm too lazy to talk about it. You have Super Smash Flash 2 to know what his moveset could potentially be like.

Dark horse character - Sgt. Cortez! Time to Split! - Ah, my favourite breed of Dark horse. It's the obscure type. Do I believe he'll be in Fighter Pass 2? Well it depends if Nintendo is even aware the TimeSplitters series exists and if Koch Media (Not THQ Nordic as I erroneously stated before) have approached Nintendo. My answer? I will not say no but I can't give a definitive yes.
Sgt. Cortez (No bias here if you can believe that) would 100% be a unique character. I mean it is factually impossible for Nintendo and Sakurai to find a way to not make him unique. He would start off with dual sci-fi pistols that you would shoot off pressing jab, they wouldn't cause your opponent to flinch like Fox (Okay maybe 99.9% unique). He could use his temporal uplink to grab items from a distance and also grab projectiles to either throw back at the opponent or save for later. He can use rocket launchers, Flamethrowers, Double Barrel Shotguns, Plasma Autorifles, etc. He might not be for everyone but I don't think he would be entirely hated.

Promotional character - Link - and then there's link... alright maybe there could be a Ocarina of Time remake or Melee HD, whatever. I kind of don't want any other promotional character. Decidueye's chance was taken by Incineroar so I'm left with Adult Link. There you go. That's my explanation.
 

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Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
In my case, I'll go with...
  1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
  2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
  3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
  4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
  5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
  6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.
Let's see what you do.
Outsider: 2B, absolute masterpiece of a game and has easily become one of the most iconic gaming characters in the 2010's, unless making a cameo in PSO2, a game on the Switch counts, then she doesn't have any Switch games at all

Legend: Master Chief. Don't need to explain this.

Fan Favourite: Amaterasu, she's a character who I rarely see any pushback for and what little pushback she does get is solely for a preference out of a different Capcom character or 'third party bad' with her Nintendo relationa easing most people in the latter group already.

Darkhorse: Adol, Ys is a surprisingly big name in Japan to the point it's what people claimed Dragon Quest was outside Japan when we first learned about Brave. What's also interesting is that Falcom's influence includes making the first action RPG and likely having influenced Zelda 1 like Tower of Druaga did.

Promotional pick: Travis Touchdown, 3's coming out soon while a remaster of 1's in the works so Travis really benefits from the promotion, more so than most characters added in Smash.
 

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Yo, listen up! Here's a story about a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees
Is just blue like him, inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window and a blue Corvette
And everything is blue for him and himself
And everybody around
Cause he ain't got nobody to listen to...

I'm blue da ba dee da ba dai
 
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Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
In my case, I'll go with...
  1. Wild Card-Min Min. Had to put her somewhere.
  2. Outsider-2B. Nier: Automata was a smash hit and the breakthrough of both Platinum and Yoko Taro, but doesn't have a Switch port yet. Sounds pretty Joker-ish to me.
  3. Legend-Crash Bandicoot. He was the PlayStation's mascot back in the day, even if he isn't owned by Sony, and he'd bring back the old console wars. Plus, he's discussed a lot lately, so he seems like a pretty safe choice for this spot.
  4. Fan Favorite-Isaac. The guy's pretty much a first-party Banjo. Release in the late 90's/early 2000's era, an arguably improved sequel that's lesser-known, and a divisive 7th-generation sequel after a hiatus. Despite this, they've remained popular picks well into Ultimate's era (Though the AT did but a dent in Isaac's support).
  5. Darkhorse-Reimu. Touhou's huge, and yet it isn't well-known beyond Japan and the doujin circles, leaving her to be passed over as a prospective rep in favor of Shantae (And probably Shovel Knight too, had it not been for the AT). Similarly, SNK's games were big influences on the fighting game scene and arcades, and yet they're not as popular beyond Latin America and the FGC.
  6. Promotional Pick-Rex. XC2 sold surprisingly well for it's position, and helped Xenoblade break out of it's cult classic status. It's still promoted by MonoSoft and Rex is a popular request, especially in Japan.
Let's see what you do.
1. Wild Card: Min Min
2. Outsider: Dante/Master Chief
3. Legend: Doom Slayer (Doomguy)
4. Fan Favorite: Geno
5. Darkhorse: Quote
6. Promotional Pick: Rex
 

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Alright, let's play a game. Let's make an FP2 that mirrors FP1, with each slot having an equivalent between passes. Min Min can go wherever. Note that they don't necessarily have to be in release order. Also note that supposed obstacles in their way don't count here because of how unpredictable the choices for FP1 were, so Assist Trophies, Western companies, mature content, etc. don't matter here.
  1. :ultpiranha: The Wild Card-Pretty much an excuse to do whatever, since FP2 has an extra slot.
  2. :ultjoker: The Outsider-A popular character, preferably from a modern smash hit but has little to no Nintendo appearances.
  3. :ulthero: The Legend-A character from a massively popular and influential classic, much like the previous third-parties (Sans Bayonetta)
  4. :ultbanjokazooie: The Fan Favorite-A character who's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, or at least hasn't seen much time in the spotlight recently, but is a popular pick regardless.
  5. :ult_terry: The Darkhorse-A character who's iconic yet niche, and is usually considered unlikely as a result. Bonus points if they aren't usually associated with Nintendo (Note that this character doesn't have to be completely overlooked, given how much speculation has expanded lately)
  6. :ultbylethf: The Promotional Pick-A character from Switch-exclusive game. Note that you can't do a character who would promote a hypothetical release; It has to be an actual game. They do not have to be upcoming or in the past decade, either, nor do they have to be first-party.
Keep in mind that my picks (sans Min Min) could be put anywhere in the pass.

Wild Card: :ultminmin(I couldn’t think of anywhere else to put her)
Outsider: Chosen Undead
The Legend: Crash Bandicoot
Fan Favorite: Bandana Dee (I wanted to pick Sora as another fan favorite)
Dark Horse: Sakura Shinguji
Promo Pick: Cinderace
 
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Huh Indie World, neat!

Was this the 'Nintendo Wildcard' that Jeff Grubb was mentioning?

And normally directs follows after Indie Directs right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
The last Indie World was on March 17th and the Direct Mini that followed on was the 26th. But before that, it was on December 10th and we didn't get any direct for that month.

Honestly, a direct is possible but it's not guaranteed.
 
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