Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

To release a game in NA, they probably need Spanish and French on the game as well, so that it can sell in Mexico and in Canada. He's focused on the English content, but I'd be surprised if NoA would only partially release a game over its territory, considering the potential laws that limit release of English-only products in those countries. Canada for sure has provinces where it's illegal to release English-only products, so most companies that publish anything in Canada make sure there's French and English in their content.

So yeah, there's more to it than just having an English product and releasing it worldwide.

Europe has those countries called Spain and France, which means European localizations also require those languages. So while Chugga didn't mention those other two languages, it doesn't matter because his point ultimately doesn't change.

Also, not-so-fun trivia fact; it wasn't until the Wii's launch that we started to see Spanish and French translations of games in North America consistently, which in itself is another goof from NoA when it's been done since as early as Melee for Europe, if not even earlier.

Canada for sure has provinces where it's illegal to release English-only products

As someone who lives in Canada, more specifically the place that speaks French, I can tell you that this only applies to stuff like instruction booklets and the box itself when it comes to video games.

The games themselves could be English-only and there'd be nothing wrong with it because the outside of the box itself has more than just English.

Otherwise, pretty much every Smash game before 3DS would be illegal because yes, none of them have French as a language option in Canada.

 

[Hokori]

Been seeing people talk about the latest videos listed as private on Nintendo's YT.

I've been taking the "wake up to a big new thread with a lot of comments" approach. If I don't wake up to a big new thread with a lot of comments about an announcement, I shrug, then go about my day. At this point, it will happen when it happens.

I'm looking forward to some news myself, but I know I could not look into every little thing trying to relate it a potential reveal without getting a headache and feeling disappointed when it doesn't happen.

 

[Nanami77]

Yeah, but every time a fighter gets announced everyone talks about it. Like, even lesser known characters end up on trending on Twitter. I'd say wait until the next reveal to see if interest has truly died down.

Plus, "Smash is dying" is a bit of a hyperbolic statement. It would imply that no one is playing the game, which is definitely not the case here. Just my two cents, but I just feel that saying "it's dying" is a bit much.

Yeah, I agree that title was a bit clickbait, but I still agreed with nearly all of his points in the video though.

For me, ARMS honestly was a mini nuke for my hype in this pass.

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Since today is pretty slow in terms of Direct news, I got a surprise for you all: the latest Smash Underdogs article that I just finished! This time the character is none other than Capcom's very own...

Mike Haggar from Final Fight!

Click here to read the article!​

Making this article took a long time due to personal drama so I hope you all enjoy it. I also added some new sections to the series such as a classic mode route and potential Mii Costumes.

what I want to see is sakurai trying to explain the gender of poison for four and a half hours during a showcase livestream

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

what I want to see is sakurai trying to explain the gender of poison for four and a half hours during a showcase livestream

Was it inconsistent until her appearance in Street Fighter?

 

[anto_oberlin]

Wasn’t ARMS released the same year as Xenoblade Chronicles 2? Because at this point I strongly hope that Rex and Pyra will be in this fighter pass.

 

[slrigeigdew]

Been seeing people talk about the latest videos listed as private on Nintendo's YT.

I've been taking the "wake up to a big new thread with a lot of comments" approach. If I don't wake up to a big new thread with a lot of comments about an announcement, I shrug, then go about my day. At this point, it will happen when it happens.

I'm looking forward to some news myself, but I know I could not look into every little thing trying to relate it a potential reveal without getting a headache and feeling disappointed when it doesn't happen.

This. If I don't see anything on Youtube or Twitter then I assume nothing's happened.

This period of speculation is similar to the period between the release of Ultimate and Joker except people are way less hype this time around.

Speculation isn't even that fun anymore since we've basically exhausted all avenues of discussion and are now just recycling the same arguments over and over again.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

No, no, it's perfectly on topic. See, a new game means that Sora is definitely coming to Smash, because we all know that all new games are a 100% indicator of characters getting into Smash.

Im more concerned that should Sora come to Smash, Nomura will try to tie that into the KH canon lore for some ****ing reason.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Wasn’t ARMS released the same year as Xenoblade Chronicles 2? Because at this point I strongly hope that Rex and Pyra will be in this fighter pass.

Even if it was that wouldn't influence anything. The only reason why I thought we'd get something today was because of the possibility of ARMS 2, but that's obviously not the case.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I don't think the ARMS character will be delayed. I think they will indeed come this month. Looking back, the waiting time for Mewtwo in Smash 4 and Joker in FP1 was close to this one. I think the first character in the season might take a while longer to get out because they probably hadn't even begun production when they first teased ARMS - similar to what happened in the aforementioned situations.

And similarly, the delay between the rest of the DLC might be smaller, because considering their pipeline, they're probably working on more than one character at once.

If anything, this might be another indicator that a second DLC season wasn't planned at all when Ultimate launched.

If I remember right, they said FP2 was in development back when Terry was announced. The Arms character has definitely been in some form of development since then.

I imagine this long wait is on Nintendo more than it is the Smash team.

 

[SKX31]

What’s Japan thinking as far as the ARMs character and guesses for the rest of the pack? I’m curious if what they think mirrors what we here in the west think somewhat

It's really difficult to go by just Nico Nico (I'm not as well-versed with Japanese websites as I am with Chinese) but when it comes to ARMS a lot of the focus is on the usual suspects (Helix has a bigger presence in the Japanese fanbase, it seems). There are quite a few speculation vids on Nico Nico, after all.

As for FP2, well, you're in luck. There's this video, which is glorious. And not just because it's 269 minutes (screenshot at 11:12) - but also because it was streamed:

I know, this is just one example (and a pretty extreme one just by length alone). It's also not the only video on this topic, as said. But still. 11 / 10 material right off the bat. And before you ask, avatars like the 3D hamburger's pretty common in Japanese streams and videos.

Timestamps if anyone is curious (Google Image Search did fail a couple times, but the character list's 99 % there):

ARMS: 20:35
Smash 4 Mii Costumes (with FP1's Costumes brought up): 52:22
Bandai Namco: 58:09 (Tales Of at 63:45, Digimon at 79:40, Miscellaneous Bamco IP at 95:37.)
Spike Chunsoft: 102:22 (Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer)
Taito: 106:28 (Yes, Space Invaders)
Activision Blizzard: 109:50 (Tracer, Crash, CoD - Spyro's notably absent.)
Koei Tecmo: 120:50 (Hayabusa, Nioh, Dynasty Warriors, Atelier, Samurai Warriors)
From Software: 132:00 (Dark Souls, Sekiro)
Level 5: 138:15 (Layton, Inazuma Eleven, Yo-Kai Watch)
Disney: 143:16 (Sora)
Capcom: 147:38 (154:54 is where he focuses on Capcom) (Dante, Phoenix, Amaterasu, Monster Hunter, RE, he inserts Arthur and Firebrand later on)
SEGA: 167:38 (Kiryu, Arle, Segata Sanshiro, he inserts Sakura Wars - both old-school and PS4.)
Square-Enix: 178:06 (Lara Croft, 2B, Bravely Default, Chrono Trigger, he inserts Geno about a minute or two in)
Nintendo: 183:12 (Rex + Pyra / Mythra, Karate Joe, Paper Mario, Dragalia Lost, BWD, Astral Chain, Porky, the GBA Napoleon game (judging by the Napoleon hanafuda card) )
Pokemon Company: 196:30 (Gen 8 starters, Urshifu, Calyrex, Zarude. No Toxicrity nor Zacian / Zamanzeta)

Characters that he didn't make specific slides for, but are visible / talked about:

Steve
Master Chief
Raiden (Metal Gear)
Doomguy
Bomberman
Reimu
Hollow Knight
Quote (Cave Story)
Cadence (CotND)
Shantae
Riki (Kunio-Kun)
(I believe FallOut? Video's capped at 360P, so it's difficult to tell.)

He comes up with several possible FP2s: 205:00, 212:50, he spends at least 15 minutes debating before going with his final FP2 at the 250 minute mark (No Spoilering because this is dedication). Mii Costume guesses at 252:58.

So yes, this dude went and ran a Smash Speculation Marathon. This was live-streamed for more than 4 hours without pause. Yes, one person - but it's undeniable proof that speculation can reach some strange heights over there too. And it's probably the most comprehensive video.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Im more concerned that should Sora come to Smash, Nomura will try to tie that into the KH canon lore for some ****ing reason.

You say concerned I say let's go

 

[Perkilator]

Im more concerned that should Sora come to Smash, Nomura will try to tie that into the KH canon lore for some ****ing reason.

Inb4 the Sora in Smash is from an alternate timeline where his abuse of the Power of Waking never proofed him.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

It's really difficult to go by just Nico Nico (I'm not as well-versed with Japanese websites as I am with Chinese) but when it comes to ARMS a lot of the focus is on the usual suspects (Helix has a bigger presence in the Japanese fanbase, it seems). There are quite a few speculation vids on Nico Nico, after all.

As for FP2, well, you're in luck. There's this video, which is glorious. And not just because it's 269 minutes (screenshot at 11:12) - but also because it was streamed:

View attachment 274989

I know, this is just one example (and a pretty extreme one just by length alone). It's also not the only video on this topic, as said. But still. 11 / 10 material right off the bat. And before you ask, avatars like the 3D hamburger's pretty common in Japanese streams and videos.

Timestamps if anyone is curious (Google Image Search did fail a couple times, but the character list's 99 % there):

ARMS: 20:35
Smash 4 Mii Costumes (with FP1's Costumes brought up): 52:22
Bandai Namco: 58:09 (Tales Of at 63:45, Digimon at 79:40, Miscellaneous Bamco IP at 95:37.)
Spike Chunsoft: 102:22 (Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer)
Taito: 106:28 (Yes, Space Invaders)
Activision Blizzard: 109:50 (Tracer, Crash, CoD - Spyro's notably absent.)
Koei Tecmo: 120:50 (Hayabusa, Nioh, Dynasty Warriors, Atelier, Samurai Warriors)
From Software: 132:00 (Dark Souls, Sekiro)
Level 5: 138:15 (Layton, Inazuma Eleven, Yo-Kai Watch)
Disney: 143:16 (Sora)
Capcom: 147:38 (154:54 is where he focuses on Capcom) (Dante, Phoenix, Amaterasu, Monster Hunter, RE, he inserts Arthur and Firebrand later on)
SEGA: 167:38 (Kiryu, Arle, Segata Sanshiro, he inserts Sakura Wars - both old-school and PS4.)
Square-Enix: 178:06 (Lara Croft, 2B, Bravely Default, Chrono Trigger, he inserts Geno about a minute or two in)
Nintendo: 183:12 (Rex + Pyra / Mythra, Karate Joe, Paper Mario, Dragalia Lost, BWD, Astral Chain, Porky, the GBA Napoleon game (judging by the Napoleon hanafuda card) )
Pokemon Company: 196:30 (Gen 8 starters, Urshifu, Calyrex, Zarude. No Toxicrity nor Zacian / Zamanzeta)

Characters that he didn't make specific slides for, but are visible / talked about:

Steve
Master Chief
Raiden (Metal Gear)
Doomguy
Bomberman
Reimu
Hollow Knight
Quote (Cave Story)
Cadence (CotND)
Shantae
Riki (Kunio-Kun)
(I believe FallOut? Video's capped at 360P, so it's difficult to tell.)

He comes up with several possible FP2s: 205:00, 212:50, he spends at least 15 minutes debating before going with his final FP2 at the 250 minute mark (No Spoilering because this is dedication). Mii Costume guesses at 252:58.

So yes, this dude went and ran a Smash Speculation Marathon. This was live-streamed for more than 4 hours without pause. Yes, one person - but it's undeniable proof that speculation can reach some strange heights over there too. And it's probably the most comprehensive video.

>GBA

deadass? A WHOLE ASS GBA?

day one main

 

[3BitSaurus]

It's really difficult to go by just Nico Nico (I'm not as well-versed with Japanese websites as I am with Chinese) but when it comes to ARMS a lot of the focus is on the usual suspects (Helix has a bigger presence in the Japanese fanbase, it seems). There are quite a few speculation vids on Nico Nico, after all.

As for FP2, well, you're in luck. (Snip)

Wait, I just realized after reading your post... is that a freaking powerpoint presentation on Smash speculation? Being streamed for four hours?

I want someone to make subtitles for this. This is one of the most glorious things I've seen a speculator do.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Smash Ultimate dying is laughable.

There are such a thing as lulls. You don't have to be excited about a game 100% of the time for it to be thriving.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Im more concerned that should Sora come to Smash, Nomura will try to tie that into the KH canon lore for some ****ing reason.

Id want nothing less from Nomura
make it canon Nomura, do it

 

[cosmicB]

Nothing burger.

https://youtu.be/pFmtmO2cnlg

They are absolutely not a nothing burger. Their threat isn't to humans directly, it's to bees, which are extremely important to humans due to their role as pollinators. American bees don't have the Heat Gundam defense mechanism that Asian bees do, so if the murder hornets become established, we're definitely going to have a potential crisis on our hands.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

It's really difficult to go by just Nico Nico (I'm not as well-versed with Japanese websites as I am with Chinese) but when it comes to ARMS a lot of the focus is on the usual suspects (Helix has a bigger presence in the Japanese fanbase, it seems). There are quite a few speculation vids on Nico Nico, after all.

As for FP2, well, you're in luck. There's this video, which is glorious. And not just because it's 269 minutes (screenshot at 11:12) - but also because it was streamed:

View attachment 274989

I know, this is just one example (and a pretty extreme one just by length alone). It's also not the only video on this topic, as said. But still. 11 / 10 material right off the bat. And before you ask, avatars like the 3D hamburger's pretty common in Japanese streams and videos.

Timestamps if anyone is curious (Google Image Search did fail a couple times, but the character list's 99 % there):

ARMS: 20:35
Smash 4 Mii Costumes (with FP1's Costumes brought up): 52:22
Bandai Namco: 58:09 (Tales Of at 63:45, Digimon at 79:40, Miscellaneous Bamco IP at 95:37.)
Spike Chunsoft: 102:22 (Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer)
Taito: 106:28 (Yes, Space Invaders)
Activision Blizzard: 109:50 (Tracer, Crash, CoD - Spyro's notably absent.)
Koei Tecmo: 120:50 (Hayabusa, Nioh, Dynasty Warriors, Atelier, Samurai Warriors)
From Software: 132:00 (Dark Souls, Sekiro)
Level 5: 138:15 (Layton, Inazuma Eleven, Yo-Kai Watch)
Disney: 143:16 (Sora)
Capcom: 147:38 (154:54 is where he focuses on Capcom) (Dante, Phoenix, Amaterasu, Monster Hunter, RE, he inserts Arthur and Firebrand later on)
SEGA: 167:38 (Kiryu, Arle, Segata Sanshiro, he inserts Sakura Wars - both old-school and PS4.)
Square-Enix: 178:06 (Lara Croft, 2B, Bravely Default, Chrono Trigger, he inserts Geno about a minute or two in)
Nintendo: 183:12 (Rex + Pyra / Mythra, Karate Joe, Paper Mario, Dragalia Lost, BWD, Astral Chain, Porky, the GBA Napoleon game (judging by the Napoleon hanafuda card) )
Pokemon Company: 196:30 (Gen 8 starters, Urshifu, Calyrex, Zarude. No Toxicrity nor Zacian / Zamanzeta)

Characters that he didn't make specific slides for, but are visible / talked about:

Steve
Master Chief
Raiden (Metal Gear)
Doomguy
Bomberman
Reimu
Hollow Knight
Quote (Cave Story)
Cadence (CotND)
Shantae
Riki (Kunio-Kun)
(I believe FallOut? Video's capped at 360P, so it's difficult to tell.)

He comes up with several possible FP2s: 205:00, 212:50, he spends at least 15 minutes debating before going with his final FP2 at the 250 minute mark (No Spoilering because this is dedication). Mii Costume guesses at 252:58.

So yes, this dude went and ran a Smash Speculation Marathon. This was live-streamed for more than 4 hours without pause. Yes, one person - but it's undeniable proof that speculation can reach some strange heights over there too. And it's probably the most comprehensive video.

The most surprising thing to me is that he doesn't seem to mention Dead or Alive (not counting Ryu Hayabusa) in the Tecmo section. I do understand why though.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Correct me if I'm wrong but is there also Pokemon content next week otherwise we could get the ARMS rep next week then as presentations or Nintendo/Smash directs normally follow after Pokemon Directs.

 

[RileyXY1]

Correct me if I'm wrong but is there also Pokemon content next week otherwise we could get the ARMS rep next week then as presentations or Nintendo/Smash directs normally follow after Pokemon Directs.

The keyword there is usually.

 

[Arcadenik]

this week is a pokemon 'direct'

Serebii Update: Pokémon to hold a Pokémon Presents for 11 minutes of Sword & Shield Expansion Pass details at 13:00 UTC tomorrow. Details @ https://t.co/gDbXkHSvkT pic.twitter.com/xAORUaLw3T

— Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet) June 16, 2020

abandon hope all ye who enter here

Meowth & Team Rocket for Smash!

Or maybe Meowth and Team Rocket finally get their own game!

Ooh! Maybe they decided to finally make Meowth’s Party!

But seriously, they are probably announcing Diamond/Pearl remakes... or Pokémon Let’s Go Gold/Silver remakes.

Good thing I have nothing better to do with my time or you'd be out of luck.

<img src="https://smashboards.com/attachments/my-fighters-pass-vol-2-wish-list-png.274957/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="My fighters pass vol 2 wish list.png" />

I love this!

Mario series gets Captain Toad (with regular Toad alternate costumes) and Paper Mario.

Donkey Kong series gets Dixie Kong and Donkey Kong Jr.

Pokémon series gets Team Rocket and Eevee .

I would be satisfied with all three series in Smash if this ever happens.

 

[DougEfresh]

Smash Ultimate dying is laughable.

There are such a thing as lulls. You don't have to be excited about a game 100% of the time for it to be thriving.

Smash Ultimate is certainly not dying and that title is pretty obvious clickbait for views, but I do agree with a lot of the points Zero made. Especially compared to what 2020 was initially looking like for the game before Covid-19 impacted the world, I can understand why it might seem that way even if it's a melodramatic and exaggerated assessment of things.

The Smash World Tour that was planned to premiere this year by VGBootcamp came to a screeching halt because of the pandemic as well as smaller local and regional tournaments and competitive scenes being shut down as a result, combined with NSO already being horrible as it is without the significant spike in online play from everyone being home due to quarantine (and Nintendo's less than stellar handling of the ARMS chsracter and FP2 even with facing the pandemic), it's not too hard to see how a substantial portion of the fanbase spanning both competitive and casual audiences are not that into the game right now even if that starts to shift again once announcements finally come and tourneys can start back up again.

EDIT: It should also go without saying that there's a major difference between a "lull" period in a game's life cycle (which is expected and doesn't really damage hype and interest in said game long term for the most part) and what we're having to face now through this pandemic. It might all be a sign that we're just getting very antsy for answers to who the next character(s) are and for "normal" life to resume, but I think it's a little disingenuous to make that comparison.

 

[Garteam]

Conversely, No Man's Sky and Battlefront 2 show that you absolutely can turn an abysmal launch around into genuinely good games with sufficient post launch support.

I'd say those are two are more notable exceptions that prove just how difficult it can be the redirect the ship. No Man's Sky had to be the butt of countless joke and receive multiple massive updates from an extreme dedicated development team to get its launch flaws addressed. Battlefront 2, on the other hand, was basically a universal hate magnet that caught criticism from the entire Internet, multiple legislators across the world, and even the IP's rights holder. EA were practically forced to remake the game from the ground-up lest they lost the IP or even be on the end of a class-action lawsuit.

It's rare for a dev to put that much skin into saving their game. It's far more common for the game to just underperform, receive a few updates, and get dropped down after a few months unfortunately.

I don't think the SwoShi thing is as good of an example here considering, you know, it sold like 14 million copies regardless of fan backlash

It's true that the game was still a massive commercial success, but it's also had the most mixed reception of any mainline Pokemon game. This may just be my own anecdotal experience, but it really seems like Sword/Shield burned a lot of people and many are skeptical about the future of the series. I think the general cynicism many are showing at tomorrow's Pokemon Direct really demonstrates the lack of confidence in Game Freak in the aftermath of that game.

Will this ever result in a commercially unsuccessful mainline Pokemon game? Probably not, the series really feels too big to fail at this point. However, I do think the overall brand image of and enthusiasm for Pokemon may continue to go south if future entries don't learn from Sword/Shield's shortcomings.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Ironic, because I'm pretty sure not saying anything for months is gonna damage their stocks too.

Then again, I've always believed Nintendo's pretty dumb when it comes to anything that isn't making video games, so...

Perhaps, but their stocks are currently on the rise:

 

[SKX31]

Perhaps, but their stocks are currently on the rise:

Serious answer: Speaks a lot to how confident businesspeople are in Nintendo considering Animal Crossing was a huge hit and they've been generally managing the situation well despite the lack of news. Their cooperation with other companies help.

That said:

The most surprising thing to me is that he doesn't seem to mention Dead or Alive (not counting Ryu Hayabusa) in the Tecmo section. I do understand why though.

I was a bit surprised myself, but yeah, I do understand why too.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think the general cynicism many are showing at tomorrow's Pokemon Direct really demonstrates the lack of confidence in Game Freak in the aftermath of that game.

Hardcore fans aren't confident in Game Freak. Casual fans just like Pokémon, and the sales say that that's all they need to make millions.

So basically we're never getting a bump in quality for the main series again as it's already set for eternity.

 

[Mr. Robotto]

It's really difficult to go by just Nico Nico (I'm not as well-versed with Japanese websites as I am with Chinese) but when it comes to ARMS a lot of the focus is on the usual suspects (Helix has a bigger presence in the Japanese fanbase, it seems). There are quite a few speculation vids on Nico Nico, after all.

As for FP2, well, you're in luck. There's this video, which is glorious. And not just because it's 269 minutes (screenshot at 11:12) - but also because it was streamed:

View attachment 274989

I know, this is just one example (and a pretty extreme one just by length alone). It's also not the only video on this topic, as said. But still. 11 / 10 material right off the bat. And before you ask, avatars like the 3D hamburger's pretty common in Japanese streams and videos.

Timestamps if anyone is curious (Google Image Search did fail a couple times, but the character list's 99 % there):

ARMS: 20:35
Smash 4 Mii Costumes (with FP1's Costumes brought up): 52:22
Bandai Namco: 58:09 (Tales Of at 63:45, Digimon at 79:40, Miscellaneous Bamco IP at 95:37.)
Spike Chunsoft: 102:22 (Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer)
Taito: 106:28 (Yes, Space Invaders)
Activision Blizzard: 109:50 (Tracer, Crash, CoD - Spyro's notably absent.)
Koei Tecmo: 120:50 (Hayabusa, Nioh, Dynasty Warriors, Atelier, Samurai Warriors)
From Software: 132:00 (Dark Souls, Sekiro)
Level 5: 138:15 (Layton, Inazuma Eleven, Yo-Kai Watch)
Disney: 143:16 (Sora)
Capcom: 147:38 (154:54 is where he focuses on Capcom) (Dante, Phoenix, Amaterasu, Monster Hunter, RE, he inserts Arthur and Firebrand later on)
SEGA: 167:38 (Kiryu, Arle, Segata Sanshiro, he inserts Sakura Wars - both old-school and PS4.)
Square-Enix: 178:06 (Lara Croft, 2B, Bravely Default, Chrono Trigger, he inserts Geno about a minute or two in)
Nintendo: 183:12 (Rex + Pyra / Mythra, Karate Joe, Paper Mario, Dragalia Lost, BWD, Astral Chain, Porky, the GBA Napoleon game (judging by the Napoleon hanafuda card) )
Pokemon Company: 196:30 (Gen 8 starters, Urshifu, Calyrex, Zarude. No Toxicrity nor Zacian / Zamanzeta)

Characters that he didn't make specific slides for, but are visible / talked about:

Steve
Master Chief
Raiden (Metal Gear)
Doomguy
Bomberman
Reimu
Hollow Knight
Quote (Cave Story)
Cadence (CotND)
Shantae
Riki (Kunio-Kun)
(I believe FallOut? Video's capped at 360P, so it's difficult to tell.)

He comes up with several possible FP2s: 205:00, 212:50, he spends at least 15 minutes debating before going with his final FP2 at the 250 minute mark (No Spoilering because this is dedication). Mii Costume guesses at 252:58.

So yes, this dude went and ran a Smash Speculation Marathon. This was live-streamed for more than 4 hours without pause. Yes, one person - but it's undeniable proof that speculation can reach some strange heights over there too. And it's probably the most comprehensive video.

My man, Nico Nico is such a goldmine. I've actually seen a bit of this, but was too lazy to pull through the first 30 minutes even...

But for people that want to go through the 4 hour long adventure, to give you an idea of which characters he's in favour for, the axes of the graph SKX31 provided say:

Most Wanted Challenger (upper axis)
Unlikely (left side of the horizontal axis) <-> Likely (right side of the horizontal axis)
Least Wanted Challenger (lower axis)
​

Now enjoy the ride...

 

[Cosmic77]

It's true that the game was still a massive commercial success, but it's also had the most mixed reception of any mainline Pokemon game. This may just be my own anecdotal experience, but it really seems like Sword/Shield burned a lot of people and many are skeptical about the future of the series. I think the general cynicism many are showing at tomorrow's Pokemon Direct really demonstrates the lack of confidence in Game Freak in the aftermath of that game.

Will this ever result in a commercially unsuccessful mainline Pokemon game? Probably not, the series really feels too big to fail at this point. However, I do think the overall brand image of and enthusiasm for Pokemon may continue to go south if future entries don't learn from Sword/Shield's shortcomings.

Ironically, I feel like the people who were most vocal about SwSh's shortcomings are also the ones most likely to buy Pokemon games. Even though quite a few people feel betrayed by SwSh, I haven't seen many people stick with their vow to not purchase the games. The complaints haven't gone away, but they still seem intent on playing the game anyway.

Casuals who aren't in to Pokemon as much as hardcore fans don't seem to care about many of the issues that have been brought up, and ultimately, they're the ones who drive sales, much to chagrin of hardcore fans.

 

[Will]

Raiden (Metal Gear)

holy **** i would kill for raiden, give me ALL of the Metal Gear Rising tracks

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'd say those are two are more notable exceptions that prove just how difficult it can be the redirect the ship. No Man's Sky had to be the butt of countless joke and receive multiple massive updates from an extreme dedicated development team to get its launch flaws addressed. Battlefront 2, on the other hand, was basically a universal hate magnet that caught criticism from the entire Internet, multiple legislators across the world, and even the IP's rights holder. EA were practically forced to remake the game from the ground-up lest they lost the IP or even be on the end of a class-action lawsuit.

It's rare for a dev to put that much skin into saving their game. It's far more common for the game to just underperform, receive a few updates, and get dropped down after a few months unfortunately.


It's true that the game was still a massive commercial success, but it's also had the most mixed reception of any mainline Pokemon game. This may just be my own anecdotal experience, but it really seems like Sword/Shield burned a lot of people and many are skeptical about the future of the series. I think the general cynicism many are showing at tomorrow's Pokemon Direct really demonstrates the lack of confidence in Game Freak in the aftermath of that game.

Will this ever result in a commercially unsuccessful mainline Pokemon game? Probably not, the series really feels too big to fail at this point. However, I do think the overall brand image of and enthusiasm for Pokemon may continue to go south if future entries don't learn from Sword/Shield's shortcomings.

We had people claiming to boycott the game until they fixed every issue, big or small, only for the game to sell better than most of the franchise has. The core fandom doesn't matter for Pokemon like it did for say, Street Fighter V

 

[slrigeigdew]

holy **** i would kill for raiden, give me ALL of the Metal Gear Rising tracks

STANDING HERE

 

[Inawordyes]

Question: When 6 releases, regardless of which ARMs character it is, will you play them or nah? Especially for those who have played ARMs and understand the mechanics to have an idea of how they would translate to smash, do you think their hypothetical moveset and playstyle would be interesting enough to try maining?

 

[Cosmic77]

Imagine if Spring Man got leaked for real, and everyone was like, "Nah, I'm not falling for that AT crap again. Nice try."

I don't think I'd ever let that die.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

holy **** i would kill for raiden, give me ALL of the Metal Gear Rising tracks

HEAR I STAND BENEATH THE WARM AND SOOTHING RAIN

...

THE DROPLETS FALLING GENTLY DOWN ON THE TERRRRAI-AI-AIN.

I was hoping we’d get at LEAST I’m My Own Master Now in base game but alas.

 

[Cosmic77]

Question: When 6 releases, regardless of which ARMs character it is, will you play them or nah? Especially for those who have played ARMs and understand the mechanics to have an idea of how they would translate to smash, do you think their hypothetical moveset and playstyle would be interesting enough to try maining?

I think I'll try playing with them for a few weeks to see if I'm any good with them. I liked ARMS, so I have the drive to at least try picking up whoever this character will be.

As for whether or not other people would like them, I don't know. You can expect insane grabs and really disjointed attacks though, so if you're someone who likes keeping their space during a fight, then this character might be for you.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Question: When 6 releases, regardless of which ARMs character it is, will you play them or nah? Especially for those who have played ARMs and understand the mechanics to have an idea of how they would translate to smash, do you think their hypothetical moveset and playstyle would be interesting enough to try maining?

I would, I'm all for unique movesets. As far as maining them though, I'd have to see how they feel,

 

[Perkilator]

Question: When 6 releases, regardless of which ARMs character it is, will you play them or nah? Especially for those who have played ARMs and understand the mechanics to have an idea of how they would translate to smash, do you think their hypothetical moveset and playstyle would be interesting enough to try maining?

HECK YEAH I WILL

 

[Nanami77]

They are absolutely not a nothing burger. Their threat isn't to humans directly, it's to bees, which are extremely important to humans due to their role as pollinators. American bees don't have the Heat Gundam defense mechanism that Asian bees do, so if the murder hornets become established, we're definitely going to have a potential crisis on our hands.

Did you even watch the video? It literally laid out for you why that scenario is highly unlikely to happen.

 

[Perkilator]

You know, I didn't expect this to get so many likes.

Could you not bring up a delay...
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FOR FIVE MINUTES?!