Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Knight Dude]

So I just watched Papagenos' latest video and it hits you immediately with "I know Sakurai doesn't really like people reading too much into his tweets for characters that might be coming to Smash, but the fact he's talking about the Mother series and we do have the missing Porky spirit is a little suspicious..."

This is why people make fun of Smash fan speculation.

"I just want to talk about and celebrate video games bro." - Sakurai probably.

 

[Knight Dude]

Hey I got a Fighter pass game. I've noticed a lot of people bring up mostly characters who are human or human-like like Phoenix Wright, 2B, Master Chief, Dante, etc. so here's a challenge. Make a fighters pass using non-human characters. When I mean non-human I also include species that have any resemblance to having the facial features of a human being. Characters like ARMS' Helix are fine but a character like KOS-MOS aren't. Here is mine for example:

1. Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
2. Klonoa (Klonoa)
3. Robo (Chrono Trigger)
4. Yooka & Laylee (Yooka Laylee)
5. Tails (Sonic The Hedgehog)
6. R-109 (TimeSplitters)

1. Knuckles
2. Spyro
3. Ammy
4. Does Vile count? He doesn't have a face, so he's about as human looking as Helix.
5. Dixie Kong
6. Fulgore Baaaaaybeeeeee

 

[CosmicQuark]

I’m not that big of a fan of a Pokémon rep this Pass but if I had to choose I guess I would have to say Gengar. I think above all every Pokémon newcomer should stand out vastly from the other Pokémon and I think Gengar would stand out both aesthetically and gameplay wise.

However I know if this happens a lot of the Pokémon fan base will be upset due to gen one. So, yeah I’ll just do without one if I could choose.

Part of me thought of an Alolan form for the base game, both representing Alolan and the Gen 1 favoritism (wouldn’t complain myself, it’s my favorite Gen), but knew that would cause backlash.

But I really hope the next Pokémon in Smash (hopefully in the next game, or a future Fighter’s Pass if that ever happens, likely not) it’s something different. Whenever I re-do the Smash roster to represent as many Gens and elements possible, I’m still short so many even when fudging it by adding something like Eevee and the eevolutions. There’s just so much to represent from Pokémon, that yet another fire or water starter seems like a missed opportunity.

My hope was a Pokémon that brought something radically different, like Pokémon Trainer did in Brawl. Not necessarily a transformation one, but something that goes, “only a Pokémon newcomer could have brought us this.”

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Are we all talking about out favorite Pokémon? I know mine's never gonna see the light of Smash, but hey - at least they remembered him enough to make him a Spirit.



I'm still really bummed that they didn't give him anything cool like a mega or a regional form. Especially since Ninetales got the Alola form and there was that fake leak about a Water-type Growlithe/Arcanine. Still salty that that was fake.

I'd honestly love to see Arcanine as a Pokéball summon more than anything else. It'd be fun if it zipped around the stage and chomped characters as its move.

Also I'd put in the obligatory .gif of awesomeness from the B2W2 trailer, but the image linking is not working...again. So click here and pretend this is linked.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

People sometimes forget I own the Waluigi support thread and having Waluigi in part due to SM would be great, even if I prefer Helix as the ARMS character choice. I won't magically want SM instead just off the basis that he and only him could possibly give any other previous assist or spirit a fighting chance to upgrade into a playable character.

Whenever I express my optimism for Wa's chances this DLC season, SM-involved or not, I'm gonna see people flacking on Waluigi fans left and right just based on stereotypes and past experiences with a minuscule portion of the fanbase doing stupid stuff. "Oh no, not Waluigi! His fans are terrible!", or "No one really wants Waluigi, he's only a meme!". People can say what they want to any ridiculous degree or claim, it's their opinion. I can barely do my own taxes, I don't think I'm up for changing the minds of random strangers on the internet over a video game character.

I just wanted to support my favorite video game character after their chances lit up again, not fight as a military man online in the name of Charles Martinet. People trying to pick fights by proving themselves as the Smash prophet through some Ben Shapiro facts-and-logic mumbo jumbo has become tiring and unnecessary when a conversation like this only needs to boil down to "Well I don't think this should happen", followed by "OK cool whatever".

I've given up trying to call Sakurai's bluff, I'm just trying to have a good time. I say whoever gets in gets in, it do not matter and it should not affect me on a personal level in any way whatsoever. Unless it's Amingo, in that case I will die a happy man.

I have never hesitated to **** on Waluigi and actively enjoyed hating on him and honestly, it's not because of the **** that the overzealous fans pulled when the roster was revealed.

I've never liked the character. Even when I was little and I first saw him, I hated him and wished he never existed. That thing is hideous and I hated that he was a mockery of Luigi, my favorite Nintendo character after Kirby and as I mentioned recently, I would sacrifice Isaac to make sure Wah-boy never got into Smash.

After reading this, I realize that I've been really harsh with people that want Waluigi (And Crash) in the game

Just because I despise a character doesn't mean I should constantly **** on people who love him. I would hate it if people **** on me for wanting 2B so why should I **** on Wah-Boy? If he makes it in the game, I'll personally hate it but I'll be glad that the people that genuinely like him will get to enjoy him. Besides, there are dozens and dozens of characters that I could play and knowing Sakurai, if Wah-boy gets in, he might be fun, despite being hideous to look at.

 

[Cosmic77]

I probably would've shared which Pokemon I'd like to see in Smash a couple of hours ago, but I think pretty much everyone knows by now.

Oh well. I guess I'll mention my second choice, Dragapult. We don't have enough gunner characters in the games, and what's more creative than a ghost dragon who shoots its young from its head like missiles?

 

[Knight Dude]

Does anyone have any ideas for how Heihachi could actually work in Smash?

Not trying to make a point for or against the character or anything like that. I just personally can’t figure out a way to get him to fit within the simple control scheme and am curious if anyone more familiar with Tekken might have an idea?

Aren’t buttons assigned to attack with right arm, left arm, right leg, and left leg in those games? I’ve been racking my brain and can’t figure out a way to get that to work with just an attack button and a special attack button, without it feeling like a huge compromise.

Yes, Tekken's button layout is limb based, rather than strength based like Street Fighter/KOF/KI ect. Oh, and BTW, I hope you don't mind a longer post. Obviously, any ideas I might come up with aren't gonna be **** that everyone agrees with. And that's perfectly cool as long as no one's a jerk about it.

PSASBR had two buttons and a special button, so it's different control scheme was able to focus Heihachi in a certain way. Because PSASBR has a different style of input, the way to tackle the moveset is going to be fundamentally different in Smash. Granted PSASBR also added in random BS like throwing a Beach Ball and Tekken Bowl Pin, despite the fact dude has like 80 moves to pull from.

One idea I personally had for a Tekken character(though in this case, Jin, since he's my favorite of the Mishimas), was that you could give them multiple combo strings as their gimmick, using the Jab as a base. So AAA, AAB, ABA, ABB, Forward AAA, ect. This would still require a bit of creative liberty. But virtually every character has a bit of that going on. Like Ryu being able to Focus attack in mid-air. Obviously not every input would need this. Dash attack, Down Tilt and most of the air attacks would be fine as traditional moves. So you could in theory, get like 8 combo strings to represent the longer movesets in Tekken's gameplay. Though in professional Tekken matches, you learn quickly, that many characters tend to stick to their 30-40 core moves. Perhaps Smash could do something similar.

We see Little Mac with Diagonal Smash attacks that change his Forward Smash. Typically, this only tilts the direction the attack is aimed at right? Perhaps a Tekken character can instead of using Diagonal Smash attacks, they'd just have Diagonal Tilts that are different moves, as opposed to simple direction changes.

On top of that, Tekken characters also have special move inputs, though in the Mishima's case, it's mostly a motion thats similar to an SRK(but not exactly, like some might suggest.) N could either be a command dash that leads to multiple options, or at the very least, give said Mishima their Electric Wind Godfist. There's QCF motions in the Mishima moveset, but it's mostly for command grabs like Jin's Complicated Wire throw.

I also think giving them a really strong sidestep, that keeps them out of harms way longer than most would make for a good Spot-dodge. In fact, this was almost done with Terry's Spot dodge being a way to kind of sort of get the Line System from the early Fatal Fury games in his kit.

Of course, the way to handle a character isn't just their home mechanics but also their specific abilities. So even with some simplifed stuff, Heihachi can still feel like Heihachi. It's not like Link needs to open up a menu or aim with his arrows to still feel like Link. Nor does Mega Man need to be a stance change character, and can instead use a full load-out with inputs like Mario or Kirby.

There's certain moves I would say are iconic to Heihachi, so as long as those are in in some form, it should be fine. Hellsweeps, Hell Axle, Demon Scissor, Tsunami Kick, Demon's Breath, EWGF, Ground Punch and his Power Bomb should be mainstay attacks even in his Smash Kit.

If you made it this far into my rambling, I should probably apologize for reading your eyes off.

I have never hesitated to **** on Waluigi and actively enjoyed hating on him and honestly, it's not because of the **** that the overzealous fans pulled when the roster was revealed.

I've never liked the character. Even when I was little and I first saw him, I hated him and wished he never existed. That thing is hideous and I hated that he was a mockery of Luigi, my favorite Nintendo character after Kirby and as I mentioned recently, I would sacrifice Isaac to make sure Wah-boy never got into Smash.

After reading this, I realize that I've been really harsh with people that want Waluigi (And Crash) in the game

Just because I despise a character doesn't mean I should constantly **** on people who love him. I would hate it if people **** on me for wanting 2B so why should I **** on Wah-Boy? If he makes it in the game, I'll personally hate it but I'll be glad that the people that genuinely like him will get to enjoy him. Besides, there are dozens and dozens of characters that I could play and knowing Sakurai, if Wah-boy gets in, he might be fun, despite being hideous to look at.

AYO! Is that character development? You love to see it.

 

[Aetheri]

I can see favourite Pokemon discussions going on!


Salamence
Sableye
Garchomp
Rayquaza

Haxorus
Noivern
Salazzle

 

[TheCJBrine]

My top favorite Pokémon is Pikachu.

My other favorites include:

-the Gengar line

-the Gardevoir line

-Celebi

-Meowth

-the Jigglypuff line

-so many more I won’t mention because I love too much and the list would be long. I feel the previous ones are my top picks though, then it starts to get into “love equally” territory though I’d probably put the Gen 1 starters and some other ‘mons higher up with Jigglypuff and Meowth.

please put Gengar in Smash.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Favorite Pokemon?

-Meowstic line
-Ninetales line
-Greninja
-Victini
-Eevee line
-Litten
-Xerneas

One's playable, another's evolution is playable, and four are Pokeballs (Twice in Vulpix's case, so does that count as five?). All things considered I've got things pretty good in the Smash department. Now if only they could at least give my psychic kitties a spirit or something.

 

[-crump-]

My personal favorite Pokémon is Sableye, I would die for that good purple gremlin.

I actually think they’d be a really cool Gen 3/Ghost type rep for Smash, though I strongly doubt that would happen.

 

[VGPhaze]

My favorite pokemon is Mineor lol.

If I could pick any Pokémon for smash I would want an untepresented type. Ground, Rock, Ghost, Poison, Bug, or Ice.

Don’t really care much about which one because that alone would make it unique.

However I’d rather not get another Pokémon if it means we will get an unrepresented series newcomer instead.

edit - I know ivy is Grass/Poison, but I’d rather have something that really screams poison type. Ivy in smash is basically all Grass moves

edit 2 - OR I would love a “grunt” trainer. Alt costumes being rocket, aqua, plasma, skull, that kind of stuff. And make each Pokémon one of those types and three Pokémon that one of those teams typically had. AND pick some from games that don’t have playable representation.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Obviously the crocodile Pokemon are my favorite.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

If I could pick any pokemon for smash it'd be either:
,
,
(Jhoto Trainer),
,
Aggron,
or Garchomp

 

[Glaciacott]

In terms of favorite pokemon I'm doing ok; Whimsicott is featured in a stage and Greninja is playable. Alolan Vulpix is a pokeball. Primarina was unfortunately condemned to be the least human-like of gen 7 and as such the least likely. And then I love Drizzile/Inteleon which I guess are possible but I don't know if likely.

Then there's other favorites that seem extremely unlikely or impossible for smash: Liepard, Corsola (galar), Galvantula, Chandelure (woo pokken!), Ribombee, and Ponyta (galar)

As for Smash, there's a couple pokemon I would love to see whether they're favorites of mine or not: Golisopod, Dragapult, Gengar. Also would not mind Garchomp if it came with Cynthia... particularly with a DLC pokemon I would love for them to model not just the pokemon but the trainer in the background even if it's just one pokemon.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

My favorite Pokémon is already in Smash. It’s Charizard. I know, I know. I’m a child of the 90’s, and grew up with Ash’s Charizard.

If I could have another though it’d be Sylveon, Mimikyu, Tyrantrum, Snorlax, or Dragonite.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

I love to talk about Pokemon. My favorite overall would have to be Tsareena. I also like Sceptile, Gardevoir, Salazzle, Inteleon, and Appletun. Alola has my favorite designs out of all gens. I have no idea how some of them would play in Smash, though.

In other news, it looks like Retro Studios is hiring.
https://twitter.com/jobsatnintendo/status/1271982460666961920

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Part of me thought of an Alolan form for the base game, both representing Alolan and the Gen 1 favoritism (wouldn’t complain myself, it’s my favorite Gen), but knew that would cause backlash.

Real talk: Any regional variant would make an amazing Echo Fighter for whatever Pokémon is on the roster. Too bad the closest thing we have to that is Alolan Raichu.

My favorite pokemon is Mineor lol.

Minior is a hoot. lol

When I was a young wart hog kid, I forged a team of my favorite Pokémon. One from each generation. This team comprised of Growlithe, Houndour, Poochyena, Lucario, Herdier, and Pyroar. These six are still my favorite Pokémon.

As far as who I'd add though, I'd like each new Pokémon to bring something new and interesting to the table that you can't find anywhere else. Greninja and Incineroar are ok, but ninjas and wrestlers are standard fare. We can go deeper:

• Ditto
  • It transforms into characters known for preforming certain actions both in Smash, and in cannon (it will not copy non-cannon moves like Ganondorf's Forward Smash). For example, it's Neutral Attack is from Mario, running animation from Sonic, jumps are from Kirby, and Up Special is from Yoshi, etc. These moves are altered so that they make a cohesive moveset. It's also worth noting that while Ditto is light, its weight becomes the weight of whoever it transforms into. Ditto's Neutral Special is Transform, which turns it into another fighter completely for a bit.
• Darkrai
  • I'm not entirely sure what its gameplan would be, but it would definitely be better at putting opponents to sleep than Jigglypuff.
• Manaphy
  • I've only got one idea for Manaphy, and that's the ability to swap percentages with whoever you hit for a short amount of time using Heart Swap.
• Mimikyu
  • A fighter heavily derived from Pikachu. It's a tricky fighter who's entire kit is made up of sinister versions of Pikachu's moveset, trying to replicate Pikachu's attacks as much as possible. As you might expect though, the playstyle is much different.
• Corviknight
  • Giant metal bird. Dunno what it would do exactly but that's just freaking cool, and unique enough to bring something different to the table without actually being gimmicky.

 

[Perkilator]

You know...I'm actually starting to feel open to the idea of Sephiroth.

Getting the the Rathalos treatment, that is (i.e. base Sephiroth as an Assist Trophy, and Safer Sephiroth as a boss).

 

[Icedragonadam]

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Pic of the day. And wow that's an unfortunate angle to take the picture.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

...Whoa, did all my talk about Luxray being my favorite Pokemon spark a favorite Pokemon discussion?

I'm not complaining. It's cool to see, especially since it brings up the ideas of what could become of other Pokemon were they ever in Smash, even if most of them are just hypothetical pipe-dreams.

Since Luxray is pretty much off the table, it's unlikely that any other Pokemon that will ever get in will live up to the hype I had for Greninja. God, I still remember jumping out of my chair and screaming Greninja's name when he was revealed. Screams of parts equal shock and joy, that is. I took an instant liking to Greninja when it was first confirmed to be an official 'Mon, but if you had tried to sell me on the idea that it was gonna be one of the newcomers in Smash for Wii U/3DS, I would've gladly talked about it, but still dismiss it as a "never gonna happen" pipe-dream scenario.

Man was I glad to be wrong.

Escavalier. It has virtually no chance of getting into Smash since it's not the most well known even within its generation, but I always liked how they took the idea of a beetle stealing a snail's shell and turned it into a knight.

Ah, nice choice! Escavalier's not among my favorites but I like the themes and design it's got, myself. Can definitely understand why it's your favorite.

Agreed, it's still surprising to me that the only big thing that the Luxray line has gotten in the spinoffs has been Shinx being a Starter in Explorers of Sky. For as popular as it is, you'd think TCPi would push it more often since it definitely has enough of a fanbase that people would love seeing more of it, but they haven't really touched it. They could definitely do more with it, and hopefully the poll convinces them to try and experiment with it once the DP remakes come around.

Speaking of that, I'd love to see what they could do with a regional form since it has a lot of different elements you could work with. You could play to it being a lion/lynx mix, you could play to the constellation theming and use other options like the Nemean Lion, you could play into its X-Ray vision and/or make it more of a hunter (maybe add the Dark typing here), or maybe even go outside the box and do something different like a Sphinx or Manticore. You could be very creative with a regional form for it, and after seeing how the Galarian set was done I think any form Luxray would get would be excellent.

With it's popularity and importance in the XYZ anime, I remember there being a lot of hope that it would get a Mega Form, but alas, it wasn't meant to be. The only other big thing it has going for it besides Mystery Dungeon is it's anime roles (one as one of Ash's traveling partner's Pokemon, and another short but sweet role in a backstory in I Choose You!. Plus a handful of other one-shot roles it and it's lower evolutions have had in other episodes and specials, which hold less significance). Maybe someday TCPi will see what it has going for it, but being from an older generation by now might hurt it a bit. We'll see. It getting special attention much later anime helps, in addition to it's poll placing as you said.

I don't think I can come up with any better ideas for it what you already have. I'd love to see anything along those lines or really anything else about a Galarian-form Luxray since, yes, the devs have done a phenomenal job improving on the concept that was already done well as it was in S/M. I really hope it becomes a reality, but fingers crossed for now.

Apologies for this response being so late, btw.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

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Pic of the day. And wow that's an unfortunate angle to take the picture.

I can think of some peeps here who definitely appreciate the angle.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Since Luxray is pretty much off the table, it's unlikely that any other Pokemon that will ever get in will live up to the hype I had for Greninja. God, I still remember jumping out of my chair and screaming Greninja's name when he was revealed. Screams of parts equal shock and joy, that is. I took an instant liking to Greninja when it was first confirmed to be an official 'Mon, but if you had tried to sell me on the idea that it was gonna be one of the newcomers in Smash for Wii U/3DS, I would've gladly talked about it, but still dismiss it as a "never gonna happen" pipe-dream scenario.

I hated Greninja at the time of his reveal. I was so salty that we got a discount Mewtwo instead of the real thing.



...I got better.

 

[ZelDan]

As someone who has played 6 of 8 pokemon generations, I really don't have a favorite Pokemon. I always go for a different team whenever I start a new Pokemon game.

Which is also why I really never have much interest in ever getting a new pokemon rep.

 

[Hinata]

All I can say is that if this isn't your favorite Pokemon, you're doing something wrong.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

All I can say is that if this isn't your favorite Pokemon, you're doing something wrong.

3.427/10 got dizzy when evolving it.

 

[Will]

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All I can say is that if this isn't your favorite Pokemon, you're doing something wrong.

I won't take this libel, I'm out of here.

 

[Knight Dude]

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All I can say is that if this isn't your favorite Pokemon, you're doing something wrong.

That ain't Blaziken, Infernape or Blastoise. So I know for a fact you're in the wrong.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

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All I can say is that if this isn't your favorite Pokemon, you're doing something wrong.

I respect your honesty, but I'll stick with Luxray.

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Fun fact: a Luxray is the first Pokemon to unambiguously be killed-off for real in the anime. On-screen, no less. And it happens because he readily gave his life to save his trainers' young child from a blizzard, providing him the warmth he needed to survive it.

If that kinda hero don't qualify for #1 favorite Pokemon material, then I don't know what does.

 

[Ben Holt]

I'm basic.
My favorite 'mon are:
Blaziken, Metagross, , Weavile, Excadrill, and Greninja.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Don't mess with me and my level 9 Salamence.

Oh yeah, Salamence is my favourite Pokemon.

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Pic of the day. And wow that's an unfortunate angle to take the picture.

Never realised how much Radiant Dawn Ike looks like Jonathan Joestar.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

I can see favourite Pokemon discussions going on!


Salamence
Sableye
Garchomp
Rayquaza

Haxorus
Noivern
Salazzle

Alolan Raichu

My heel boy Incineroar

Entai

Lugia

Hitmonlee/champ

Maaaaachamp

 

[DarthEnderX]

My favorite Pokemon by type:

 

[Koopaul]

There's lots of archaic things the series has held on to. I would love to see a fresh take on older characters. I can't tell you how many Samus fans want her to be different. Maybe a new Smash could revise some mechanics, and maybe a new type of boss that isn't Master Hand. You don't have to completely reinvent Smash but c'mon. This series is 20 years old. It'd be nice to see a fresh start.

As for Heihachi. I heard someone suggests that maybe the A button could control his arms and the B button control his legs. You wouldn't be able to command each individual limb but that'd still be pretty good transition over to Smash.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Smash isn't really a series with games you want to remake. You can add on to them, but a remake makes very little sense. There's less content, almost everything exists in newer games, and there's no guarantee the controls would transfer over seamlessly.

Also, there's no plot. So it's not like a Resident Evil or Final Fantasy remake where a classic story is stuck in an archaic game engine.

There's lots of archaic things the series has held on to. I would love to see a fresh take on older characters.

I mean, who DOESN'T want to see Ganondorf finally fully decloned from Captain Falcon.

Seriously, who? I want names for the target list.

 

[Idon]

There's lots of archaic things the series has held on to. I would love to see a fresh take on older characters. I can't tell you how many Samus fans want her to be different. Maybe a new Smash could revise some mechanics, and maybe a new type of boss that isn't Master Hand. You don't have to completely reinvent Smash but c'mon. This series is 20 years old. It'd be nice to see a fresh start.

As for Heihachi. I heard someone suggests that maybe the A button could control his arms and the B button control his legs. You wouldn't be able to command each individual limb but that'd still be pretty good transition over to Smash.

Perhaps now with XCDE being out, we could have a moveset that draws from how agile and flexible Shulk is with the giant laser blade and its assorted various moves rather than a template for which Sakurai could make his dream "clunky swordsman who is only good because he has access to cheat codes."

 

[Koopaul]

That's kind of what a reboot would be like. Reimagining these characters from the ground up. It's funny how you would say Ganondorf would be "decloned" because in a reboot even Captain Falcon would be reimagined. Everyone would. That's the point. Maybe Ganondorf wouldn't even be in it and they decide to go with pig Ganon instead? Who knows? Falcon himself might be gone!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Who knows? Falcon himself might be gone!

I'm gonna be honest. I don't want a Smash game without Falcon.

 

[Jerry98]

I actually never thought about which pokémon I love more for every type, but my absolute favorite pokémon is Darkrai, which is already in Smash, even if in the Poké Ball.


The only pokémon I really want as a new character in Smash, as I already said many times, is this thief boy from the future!

 

[SKX31]

There's lots of archaic things the series has held on to. I would love to see a fresh take on older characters. I can't tell you how many Samus fans want her to be different. Maybe a new Smash could revise some mechanics, and maybe a new type of boss that isn't Master Hand. You don't have to completely reinvent Smash but c'mon. This series is 20 years old. It'd be nice to see a fresh start.

I can see Samus (and Ganondorf on one hand) getting reworked movesets - that said, there are some other pressing needs for reworks IMHO: because seriously, his B-moves look mostly identical and that helps create the lame Sonic playstyle, and since he doesn't need KO Punch (that could be replaced with Stars or something else that give him much needed utility) and while the concept of a ground fighter is noble, his flaws are too easily exposed by prepared opponents. (It doesn't help that Ultimate's mechanics went against Mac either.)

I mean, who DOESN'T want to see Ganondorf finally fully decloned from Captain Falcon.

Seriously, who? I want names for the target list.

On the other hand, I'll always defend BizarroFlame's Ganondorf no matter what:

(Pretty sure he helped create the stereotype of Ganondorfs who - at least try to - go for the disrespect.)