Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[KingofPhantoms]

For real though, Luxray having placed as high as it did on the Pokemon of the Year poll made me extremely happy.

It was a special treat to learn that my favorite Pokemon is that beloved.

 

[Jomosensual]

Which makes me wonder why on EARTH they went through all of the trouble to make Mimikyu one of the most beloved and well-received new generation Pokemon, gave him a starring role in the anime, drown him in merch, outright make him a perfect rival to Pikachu...

And then decide to stick in the roster when Decidueye was arguably the better face of the starter trio anyway

Like I keep saying, Mimikyu should have been a Pikachu echo and try to copy all of Pika's moves. Would have been the best designed echo and one of the best designed characters in the game without a doubt

 

[Guynamednelson]

Like I keep saying, Mimikyu should have been a Pikachu echo and try to copy all of Pika's moves. Would have been the best designed echo and one of the best designed characters in the game without a doubt

Mimikyu may imitate Pikachu, but it couldn't have the same animation skeleton.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Didn't stop familiar characters getting in.

You're kidding if you think Duck Hunt is actually all that similar to Banjo aside from having birds on their backs. Ken and Terry I'll give you though, although Ken is more focused on close-ranged combos while Terry is has more powerful midranged options.

I guess a part of it is that the Pokemon franchise has endless possibilities for a fighter and I'd be mildly disappointed if we got one that fills a similar niche to a pre-existing mon. I guess the solution to that would be for Inteleon to have a major difference in its overall gameplan despite its similar roll as a sneaky water type. Like I guess it could have a bigger focus on projectile play with its signature Snipe Shot which I can't imagine would be too similar to Water Shuriken.

YES! You've got great taste!

I like Zarude but it's not a taste thing. I'm not saying I'm supporting the character, just that I think it has a chance.

My real personal pick would be Dragapult, but I'm not counting on that.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Like I guess it could have a bigger focus on projectile play with its signature Snipe Shot which I can't imagine would be too similar to Water Shuriken.

If it helps, the fact that it's called Snipe Shot would make it closer to Byleth's bow than Greninja's shuriken.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

He's a big Gorilla who carries around a pair of sticks and a drum he can potentially hit people with. I don't see how that'd be difficult to make into a fighter.

And before someone inevitably asks "but how can he move around when he has a drum" like they always do, remember that it's not actually that big and he can even carry it around on his back in Pokemon Camp.

As someone who used Rillaboom in his Pokémon Shield playthrough, I can confirm this. The drum also follows the rule of cool, noticeably expanding in size when Rillaboom places it in front of it. Admittedly this does mean it was done poorly, but that's not that big of an issue.

Like I keep saying, Mimikyu should have been a Pikachu echo and try to copy all of Pika's moves. Would have been the best designed echo and one of the best designed characters in the game without a doubt

I don't think it could be an Echo Fighter due to the different body type, but it would make for an awesome semi-clone (or even unique fighter) with it's attacks being corrupted versions of Pikachu's.

 

[DarthEnderX]

For real though, Luxray having placed as high s it did on the Pokemon of the Year poll made me extremely happy.

It was a special treat to learn that my favorite Pokemon is that beloved.

If he was Electric/Dark, he'd be perfect.

 

[Cosmic77]

He's a big Gorilla who carries around a pair of sticks and a drum he can potentially hit people with. I don't see how that'd be difficult to make into a fighter.

And before someone inevitably asks "but how can he move around when he has a drum" like they always do, remember that it's not actually that big and he can even carry it around on his back in Pokemon Camp.

Rillaboom isn't a fighter in the same sense as Cinderace or Inteleon. It isn't depicted as a gorilla who runs around shooting and kicking opponents. It's almost always seen attacking with vines while beating its drum, which is something that I feel holds it back.

Rillaboom could work, and I'm not saying he couldn't. I just don't see much in it that would draw Sakurai to choosing it over two starters who are honestly a better fit for a fighting game. The previous choices (Lucario, Greninja, Incineroar) reinforce my belief. It also doesn't help that Game Freak was seemingly able to predict that it would be less popular than the other two starters, which would explain why Grookey is the only starter who hasn't been given a role in the anime. If I don't see Game Freak making the effort to promote the Grookey line by itself in the anime and other forms of media, then I have a hard time picturing Sakurai feeling comfortable with choosing Rillaboom.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Rillaboom isn't a fighter in the same sense as Cinderace or Inteleon. It isn't depicted as a gorilla who runs around shooting and kicking opponents. It's almost always seen attacking with vines while beating its drum, which is something that I feel holds it back.

Rillaboom could work, and I'm not saying he couldn't. I just don't see much in it that would draw Sakurai to choosing it over two starters who are honestly a better fit for a fighting game. The previous choices (Lucario, Greninja, Incineroar) reinforce my belief. It also doesn't help that Game Freak was seemingly able to predict that it would be less popular than the other two starters, which would explain why Grookey is the only starter who hasn't been given a role in the anime. If I don't see Game Freak making the effort to promote the Grookey line by itself in the anime and other forms of media, then I have a hard time picturing Sakurai feeling comfortable with choosing Rillaboom.

After

One would think Sakurai couldn't make anyone work at this point. If he can make those guys work, Rillaboom won't be any issue.

 

[Aetheri]

Honestly, if we're getting another Sinnoh mon its gonna be Garchomp, Weavile or Darkrai


And I'd be down for any of them!!

 

[Schnee117]

Honestly, if we're getting another Sinnoh mon its gonna be Garchomp, Weavile or Darkrai


And I'd be down for any of them!!

Garchomp needs to bring over it's Bryan Fury stuff from Pokken

 

[GoodGrief741]

So Every new Pokémon character going forward is going to be the hot new starter confirmed? Bummer.

what a shock

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Rillaboom isn't a fighter in the same sense as Cinderace or Inteleon. It isn't depicted as a gorilla who runs around shooting and kicking opponents. It's almost always seen attacking with vines while beating its drum, which is something that I feel holds it back.

Rillaboom could work, and I'm not saying he couldn't. I just don't see much in it that would draw Sakurai to choosing it over two starters who are honestly a better fit for a fighting game. The previous choices (Lucario, Greninja, Incineroar) reinforce my belief. It also doesn't help that Game Freak was seemingly able to predict that it would be less popular than the other two starters, which would explain why Grookey is the only starter who hasn't been given a role in the anime. If I don't see Game Freak making the effort to promote the Grookey line by itself in the anime and other forms of media, then I have a hard time picturing Sakurai feeling comfortable with choosing Rillaboom.

I guess that's true. At the end of the day, Rillaboom is not the hot new starter. It's Cinderace (and no, not in a punny way either). So if we're getting a gen 8 Pokémon, it's Cinderace.

Which means I have changed my opinion on the matter: Gen 8 should not get a character.

 

[VGPhaze]

Does anyone have any ideas for how Heihachi could actually work in Smash?

Not trying to make a point for or against the character or anything like that. I just personally can’t figure out a way to get him to fit within the simple control scheme and am curious if anyone more familiar with Tekken might have an idea?

Aren’t buttons assigned to attack with right arm, left arm, right leg, and left leg in those games? I’ve been racking my brain and can’t figure out a way to get that to work with just an attack button and a special attack button, without it feeling like a huge compromise.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

if that Vergeben DM is legit (which I doubt), I still think Heihachi's guest appearance will be in Street Fighter V

MAYBE King of Fighters XV but i doubt it

 

[Megadoomer]

Does anyone have any ideas for how Heihachi could actually work in Smash?

Not trying to make a point for or against the character or anything like that. I just personally can’t figure out a way to get him to fit within the simple control scheme and am curious if anyone more familiar with Tekken might have an idea?

Aren’t buttons assigned to attack with right arm, left arm, right leg, and left leg in those games? I’ve been racking my brain and can’t figure out a way to get that to work with just an attack button and a special attack button, without it feeling like a huge compromise.

There was actually a moveset posted in this thread not that long ago, complete with illustrations and descriptions.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Does anyone have any ideas for how Heihachi could actually work in Smash?

Not trying to make a point for or against the character or anything like that. I just personally can’t figure out a way to get him to fit within the simple control scheme and am curious if anyone more familiar with Tekken might have an idea?

Aren’t buttons assigned to attack with right arm, left arm, right leg, and left leg in those games? I’ve been racking my brain and can’t figure out a way to get that to work with just an attack button and a special attack button, without it feeling like a huge compromise.

He doesn't need to play exactly like he does in Tekken, just pick moves that fit in well with the movelist that Smash requires. No need to do the limbs thing, Ryu didn't need separate inputs for light, medium and heavy punches and kicks and neither did Terry.

 

[♕Pretty Roger♕]

Cinderace is actually one of the cutest starters out there and Sakurai never picks cute things, so i totally agree with that choice

 

[osby]

Cinderace is actually one of the cutest starters out there and Sakurai never picks cute things, so i totally agree with that choice

Excuse you

Bara fire cat is adorable.

 

[Heoj]

Nintendo VS just tweeted about the Splatoon tournament. On a SATURDAY.

Suddenly a Sunday reveal doesn’t seem so farfetched

yes I’m desperate I don’t care at this point!

combining that with paper mario info on friday i think its getting slightly more and more likely for a presentation announcement on sunday for it to then be on the 16th. its not super likely, but its definitely possible

 

[Icedragonadam]

There's a point made about the rumor in the way in what was written. Mainly the Arms thing starts in a new paragraph and begins with "As for Smash". Which means that the Heihachi part has nothing to do with Smash if this is not just an earlier PM from Verge edited with Inspect Element.

 

[VGPhaze]

There was actually a moveset posted in this thread not that long ago, complete with illustrations and descriptions.

thank you! This is super cool. LOVE the stage idea, too.

 

[TTF]

combining that with paper mario info on friday i think its getting slightly more and more likely for a presentation announcement on sunday for it to then be on the 16th. its not super likely, but its definitely possible

Personally I think we're near the homestretch for the reveal now & anything can happen between now and next Saturday.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

There was actually a moveset posted in this thread not that long ago, complete with illustrations and descriptions.

The only thing I don't agree with is Heihachi having the automatic turnaround like the hobos and Terry because you can actually move around and hit people's backs in Tekken games.

Otherwise, it's really solid.

 

[Digital Hazard]

Didn't stop familiar characters getting in.





Guess Inteleon should be referred to as Lanky Greninja? Also Rillaboom as Drummer Donkey Kong?

How are Duck Hunt and Banjo & Kazooie similar at all?

Same goes for Terry, he may be somewhat of a shoto like Ken and Ryu, but is barely anything alike.

 

[SKX31]

I don't think it could be an Echo Fighter due to the different body type, but it would make for an awesome semi-clone (or even unique fighter) with it's attacks being corrupted versions of Pikachu's.

As long as Mimikyu's dash attack doesn't have 17 frames worth of shield stun for no good reason I'm fine with that.

(Yes, I'm bitter about Pika's dash attack. It's one thing that could be nerfed without harming Pika's overall game plan.)

How are Duck Hunt and Banjo & Kazooie similar at all?

Same goes for Terry, he may be somewhat of a shoto like Ken and Ryu, but is barely anything alike.

I presume he means comparisions like "Hat Ken".

 

[SpectreJordan]

To me “fan rules” are just created by people who have a wanted character that doesn’t fall into a specific category like spirit or AT that want to convince themselves said character is more likely.

Not necessarily, there’s some logic behind it. Fans understandably get upset when one of their favorite characters becomes an AT or spirit, since it means they aren’t playable.

But it seems like Sakurai still thinks those are valuable roles. I really doubt he’d choose fan favorite characters like Isaac & Shadow to be ATs if he thought they were “lesser” roles in the game. I think he’s happy with their representation as long as it effects gameplay. Someone brought this up for Zelda’s representation & how it’s largely stages/items, it makes sense to me.

I’m not biased either. Jill, Leon, Shovel Knight, Waluigi & Dixie are some of my most wanted characters.

I do think base game spirits are back on the table though. Atleast until we know who the Arms character is. The 4 Arms characters who are spirits are the most popular/famous characters, so if they choose someone else then I don’t think we’ll see any other spirit upgrades.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

"Hmm. I need an sinister version of Pikachu's Dash Attack for my Mimikyu moveset..."

As long as Mimikyu's dash attack doesn't have 17 frames worth of shield stun for no good reason I'm fine with that.

(Yes, I'm bitter about Pika's dash attack. It's one thing that could be nerfed without harming Pika's overall game plan.)

"Mimikyu's Dash Attack is +17 on shield, allowing it to spam it on a shield until it breaks."
"Perfect!"

 

[Arcanir]

On an unrelated note, I think we might be sleeping on Zarude somewhat. It's probably not going to be the generation mascot but it is going to have a movie role soon, and Sakurai did mention that's something that plays a factor. I think we should at least keep that monkey on our radar.

I'm not really sure how to feel about Zarude. On the one hand like all Event Pokemon it's going to be promoted by it nature since they're meant to be tied to the new movie and then given out over the year. However, most Event Pokemon are only really active for that one year and then get swapped out for the next Event Pokémon in line, so their presence tends to be more limited when compared to the Starters, Cover Legendaries, or big hits like Lucario or Mimikyu where they're more active across the generation. So it depends on how it'll be marketed past its movie, if it's more of a Mew and we see it pop up more consistently then it definitely has staying power within its Generation, but if it's more like a Marshadow then it may just pop in and out of promotion and then move aside for the next Event.

For real though, Luxray having placed as high s it did on the Pokemon of the Year poll made me extremely happy.

It was a special treat to learn that my favorite Pokemon is that beloved.

Seeing Luxray (and Hydreigon) in the Top 30 made my day, it's really nice to see it get recognition.

Now if only TCPi would promote it...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

On an unrelated note, I think we might be sleeping on Zarude somewhat. It's probably not going to be the generation mascot but it is going to have a movie role soon, and Sakurai did mention that's something that plays a factor. I think we should at least keep that monkey on our radar.

I'm not really sure how to feel about Zarude. On the one hand like all Event Pokemon it's going to be promoted by it nature since they're meant to be tied to the new movie and then given out over the year. However, most Event Pokemon are only really active for that one year and then get swapped out for the next Event Pokémon in line, so their presence tends to be more limited when compared to the Starters, Cover Legendaries, or big hits like Lucario or Mimikyu where they're more active across the generation. So it depends on how it'll be marketed past its movie, if it's more of a Mew and we see it pop up more consistently then it definitely has staying power within its Generation, but if it's more like a Marshadow then it may just pop in and out of promotion and then move aside for the next Event.

I don't think Zarude is even on the table. As far as I know, Victini is the last Mythical Pokémon that did more than just...exist, and to be honest (though this doesn't have anything to do with Super Smash Bros.), I think the concept of Mythical Pokémon should be retired since they aren't even interesting anymore.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

The only thing I don't agree with is Heihachi having the automatic turnaround like the hobos and Terry because you can actually move around and hit people's backs in Tekken games.

Otherwise, it's really solid.

Did you just call Ken a hobo? The dude is a Hotel Business tycoon who comes from a Multi billionaire family. How the hell can he be considered a hobo?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Did you just call Ken a hobo? The dude is a Hotel Business tycoon who comes from a Multi billionaire family. How the hell can he be considered a hobo?

I just joke because of his outfit being the same as Ryu except red

Obviously, the dude's got a stacked mansion for him, his wife and his son to live in.

 

[SKX31]

"Hmm. I need an sinister version of Pikachu's Dash Attack for my Mimikyu moveset..."

"Mimikyu's Dash Attack is +17 on shield, allowing it to spam it on a shield until it breaks."
"Perfect!"

*People start uploading vids like "Shield Break combo into Belly Grab for INSANE damage."*

You monster.

You absolute monster.

Have an upvote.

But it seems like Sakurai still thinks those are valuable roles. I really doubt he’d choose fan favorite characters like Isaac & Shadow to be ATs if he thought they were “lesser” roles in the game. I think he’s happy with their representation as long as it effects gameplay. Someone brought this up for Zelda’s representation & how it’s largely stages/items, it makes sense to me.

I’m not biased either. Jill, Leon, Shovel Knight, Waluigi & Dixie are some of my most wanted characters.

I do think base game spirits are back on the table though. Atleast until we know who the Arms character is. The 4 Arms characters who are spirits are the most popular/famous characters, so if they choose someone else then I don’t think we’ll see any other spirit upgrades.

Considering that Sakurai's always intended Smash to be a "party game" first and foremost (and it was seen as that primarily until the mid-2000s when Melee's competitive scene got big enough to cause "tires don exits"), yea I can definetely see that point.

He didn't anticipate the newcomer speculation to get so big: It was big already by 2002, not just with the Smash 2 JP poll but also the "Sonic and Tails in Melee" rumor. But the speculation really took off with Brawl's E3 2006 trailer. Nor did he anticipate the competitive scene going MLG and thus placing additional emphasis on playable characters contra NPCs.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The only thing I don't agree with is Heihachi having the automatic turnaround like the hobos and Terry because you can actually move around and hit people's backs in Tekken games.

Aren't those just normal cross-ups though? For accuracy, you could tweak it so that he has a different hit animation when crossed-up.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Just contacted Sabi and Big Chungus fans should have something to look forward to this Tueday....

 

[Eldrake]

Just contacted Sabi and Big Chungus fans should have something to look forward to this Tueday....

IT'S KRAID'S BIG TIME, BOIS

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Just contacted Sabi and Big Chungus fans should have something to look forward to this Tueday....

That'll hold 'im, awright! Heheheh!

 

[SnowClaws]

Hey I got a Fighter pass game. I've noticed a lot of people bring up mostly characters who are human or human-like like Phoenix Wright, 2B, Master Chief, Dante, etc. so here's a challenge. Make a fighters pass using non-human characters. When I mean non-human I also include species that have any resemblance to having the facial features of a human being. Characters like ARMS' Helix are fine but a character like KOS-MOS aren't. Here is mine for example:

1. Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
2. Klonoa (Klonoa)
3. Robo (Chrono Trigger)
4. Yooka & Laylee (Yooka Laylee)
5. Tails (Sonic The Hedgehog)
6. R-109 (TimeSplitters)

1.) Oda Nobunyaga (Samurai Cats)
2.) Sparkster (Rocket Knight)
3.) Ori
4.) Galarian Slowking
5.) ToeJam & Earl; they are going to appears as a guest fighter in Mighty Fight Federation
6.) Octodad; he is going to appears as a guest fighter in Indie Pogo

 

[7NATOR]

So people that know stuff about negotiations and such, Do you think the idea of a Super Smash Bros Collection is possible. 64 and Melee should be fine since there's only Nintendo characters, but Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate all have 3rd parties. I know games like Soul Caliber 2 were able to be re-released with guests (well 2/3), but how feasible is it for Smash?

 

[Perkilator]

Just contacted Sabi and Big Chungus fans should have something to look forward to this Tueday....

Dig Dug confirmed. He can turn anyone into a Big Chungus.