Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Mamboo07]

Here's my current top 10 most wanted for Smash Ultimate:
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[SnowClaws]

Honestly, I feel like Nintendo would choose someone from the Bravely (series) over Geno. Bravely Default II is a upcoming 2020 Switch game and there was a demo for that game made available after the mini-direct on March 26, which is by the way, the same direct where they announced a ARMS character(s) is coming to Smash. Plus, for people who wants Steins; Gate element in Smash why not the Bravely series, after all, the Bravely story is written by Naotaka Hayashi, the man who also works on Steins; Gate.

 

[StrawHatX]

Is there any particular reason why people think Square Enix is even going to get another rep? They already had Cloud in the main game and Hero as a DLC character.

Are the more credible insiders saying there’s going to be a third SE character? I just figured this pass would be mostly Nintendo characters and some third party companies who haven’t been represented yet or others like Namco who only have one rep.

 

[Idon]

Is there any particular reason why people think Square Enix is even going to get another rep? They already had Cloud in the main game and Hero as a DLC character.

Are the more credible insiders saying there’s going to be a third SE character? I just figured this pass would be mostly Nintendo characters and some third party companies who haven’t been represented yet or others like Namco who only have one rep.

Well, they're a big Japanese company with a lot of popular and iconic IPs that aren't yet represented in the game in some way. That's really all it takes for people to speculate on a company's chances of getting another character.

As for the second pass, nobody knows what it'll entail considering we didn't even get a vague "new worlds" indicator as we did with Reggie and FP1.

 

[Perkilator]

Is there any particular reason why people think Square Enix is even going to get another rep? They already had Cloud in the main game and Hero as a DLC character.

Are the more credible insiders saying there’s going to be a third SE character? I just figured this pass would be mostly Nintendo characters and some third party companies who haven’t been represented yet or others like Namco who only have one rep.

By technicality, we have three Konami reps () and three Capcom reps (). And yes, I know it's only because the aforementioned third reps from the aforementioned companies are Echoes, but that still gives Square Enix a pass for a third rep.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think i remember a rumor about Jill being Negetioated for, but was Dropped. Papagenos talked about it

I don't think it had anything to do with Moveset. Honestly though i think it was on Nintendo's end for why the deal got dropped .Maybe there were aspects Capcom wanted included that Nintendo was no on. It happens

Capcom is notoriously easy to deal with, making this laughable at best

I will admit, you actually do make a great point about the fact that Nintendo has yet to take down the leak, and that is definitely the one red flag I see in the leak. To me, however, the most convincing thing has to be that the leak is in debug mode, which was the same thing shown in the Ken leak.

Lmao no it's not

The timers are different

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Is there any particular reason why people think Square Enix is even going to get another rep? They already had Cloud in the main game and Hero as a DLC character.

Are the more credible insiders saying there’s going to be a third SE character? I just figured this pass would be mostly Nintendo characters and some third party companies who haven’t been represented yet or others like Namco who only have one rep.

We have no idea where this pass is going, and tryingg to extrapolate a pattern of "mostly Nintendo characters" from one character is fundamentally flawed.

I think the biggest reason people are talking about another Square character is that somebody mentioned Geno, and that always leads into the same "Geno's not important enough since Squeenix has these other more important properties..." "But fanbase!" etc. arguments.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Anyone got an link to that template? I'd like to do an top 10 myself.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I really wish someone asks Sakurai why they passed on RE one day. It’s such a historic game series with a lot of potential for a fun moveset.

It’s the highest selling Japanese franchise without a playable character. Only Japanese series that are higher are Mario, Pokemon, Final Fantasy, Sonic & Zelda. A goal Sakurai’s stated in the past is that he wants to show the world how great Japanese games are, so it’s so weird to me that he’d pass up on adding a character to such a huge/important series.

I’ll be delusional & just hope Sakurai is a Claire/RE2 fanboy & the RE spirits were just to throw us off the scent. <_____<

I think it may be due to the RE cast's reliance on realistic firearms.

Snake does too, but they found a way around it with explosives.

 

[Gribbo]

Is there any particular reason why people think Square Enix is even going to get another rep? They already had Cloud in the main game and Hero as a DLC character.

Are the more credible insiders saying there’s going to be a third SE character? I just figured this pass would be mostly Nintendo characters and some third party companies who haven’t been represented yet or others like Namco who only have one rep.

To me it's mostly because of the Mii costumes. They had a perfect opportunity to rerelease Chocobo and Geno with Hero, but they didn't. Instead, Hero was the only character not to come with two returning Mii Costumes. Combine this with the fact that they were released only a month after E3, where Fighters Pass Vol. 2 was decided apparently, and it makes sense to theorize that the Mii costumes were put on hold.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think it may be due to the RE cast's reliance on realistic firearms.

Snake does too, but they found a way around it with explosives.

Joker's gun being fake is never explained in Smash so it looks real, sounds real and acts real, so if you didn't know about Metaverse rules you would assume it's real. We've gotten kid shows in Japan use realistic guns as intended pretty often. Hell, I can think of one where one of it's recent episodes had military soldiers shoot the protagonist with intent to kill. This does not matter

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think it may be due to the RE cast's reliance on realistic firearms.

Snake does too, but they found a way around it with explosives.

I see your Snake and raise you a Joker.


And I highly doubt lore is going to make the ESRB any more ok with it.

We've gotten kid shows in Japan use realistic guns as intended pretty often.

No see, it doesn't count because they make pew pew noises. Because remember, if it isn't a 1-1 depiction of what a child may come across in real life, it's not a gun. There is absolutely no flawed logic in this statement whatsoever.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Joker's gun being fake is never explained in Smash so it looks real, sounds real and acts real, so if you didn't know about Metaverse rules you would assume it's real. We've gotten kid shows in Japan use realistic guns as intended pretty often. Hell, I can think of one where one of it's recent episodes had military soldiers shoot the protagonist with intent to kill. This does not matter

I think the difference is that Joker uses it for one special move.

I imagine an RE character would use it frequently, unless its someone like Wesker or Nemesis.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

How would you all react if Cinderace is a DLC character in Fighters Pass 2?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think the difference is that Joker uses it for one special move.

I imagine an RE character would use it frequently, unless its someone like Wesker or Nemesis.

Honestly I see RE characters using a combat knife for normals more, and hey, look at Joker's normals.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think the difference is that Joker uses it for one special move.

I imagine an RE character would use it frequently, unless its someone like Wesker or Nemesis.

I'm not sure the ESRB would care if it was used once or multiple times within a character's moveset. A realistic looking gun that fires what is assumed to be bullets is a realistic looking gun that fires what is assumed to be bullets.

Not to mention Bayonetta has them in literally all of her attacks.

"No see, it doesn't count because they're revolvers. Those don't exist in real life anymore. There is absolutely no flawed logic in this statement whatsoever."

 

[Perkilator]

Anyone got an link to that template? I'd like to do an top 10 myself.

Right here:

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How would you all react if Cinderace is a DLC character in Fighters Pass 2?

I'd be okay with it! The Scorbunny line is my favorite.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly I see RE characters using a combat knife for normals more, and hey, look at Joker's normals.

This made me realize that they'd likely uses guns less than Joker because they'd likely have to search for ammunition first.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This made me realize that they'd likely uses guns less than Joker because they'd likely have to search for ammunition first.

The way I see them working is limited ammo per stock like Wonderwing, you get like 3 Magnum shots, they have surprisingly low startup and do like idk 35% but you only get 3 per stock while your other specials have limited uses per stock, a character who starts out pretty strong but can be crippled if the fight lasts too long. Balance them like Hero by having slow ass normals too

 

[SnowClaws]

Is there any particular reason why people think Square Enix is even going to get another rep? They already had Cloud in the main game and Hero as a DLC character.

Are the more credible insiders saying there’s going to be a third SE character? I just figured this pass would be mostly Nintendo characters and some third party companies who haven’t been represented yet or others like Namco who only have one rep.

Well for me, I want to see if there is any Square Enix characters whose franchise/series can break the dread two musics restriction. For example, Cloud have only two tracks and Hero have two tracks per alternate skins. I feel like composer Ravo of Sound Horizon who is returning for Bravely Default II can break this restriction once a Bravely characters appears as one of the fighters in Fighter Pass 2.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Balance them like Hero by having slow ass normals too

Oh yeah, 'cuz the knife sucks...

 

[Perkilator]

Well for me, I want to see if there is any Square Enix characters whose franchise/series can break the dread two musics restriction. For example, Cloud have only two tracks and Hero have two tracks per alternate skins. I feel like composer Ravo of Sound Horizon who is returning for Bravely Default II can break this restriction once a Bravely characters appears as one of the fighters in Fighter Pass 2.

Or maybe Yoko Shimomura can help break the barrier for Kingdom Hearts, since she's a composer already on board for Ultimate.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Or maybe Yoko Shimomura can help break the barrier for Kingdom Hearts, since she's a composer already on board for Ultimate.

Uematsu composed Brawl's theme and we couldn't even get more than 2 of his FF tracks. Only way I could see KH getting more is if the soundtrack is owned by Disney and them being more generous than Square.

 

[TechPowah]

I would also suggest a RE character have an amazing run/walk speed for their weight class, whatever it would be
but then when they hit high percents/low HP they slow down considerably, like in the series

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I would also suggest a RE character have an amazing run/walk speed for their weight class, whatever it would be
but then when they hit high percents/low HP they slow down considerably, like in the series

*later*
Competitive players: "They'd be god-tier if it weren't for their Defeatist ability."

 

[SnowClaws]

Or maybe Yoko Shimomura can help break the barrier for Kingdom Hearts, since she's a composer already on board for Ultimate.

Well, there is also composer Keiichi Okabe who is already on the Smash music team and he indeed composed musics for Nier. Either way, one of these composers will have the final say on which music is allowed and the set number of track that can appears alongside the supposed Square Enix fighter for Fighter Pass 2.

 

[Flik]

If a Resident Evil character REALLY needs a gimmick, instead of having limited ammo per stock, why not make it so it needs to reload after a couple of shots? It's a key part of any shooter game, first or third person, and would be a lot more fun than basically losing a move after 5 or so uses. Give it a separated command like Down B or Shield B to manually reload it anytime the player want or make the character only reload after using all its ammo.

 

[Idon]

If a Resident Evil character REALLY needs a gimmick, instead of having limited ammo per stock, why not make it so it needs to reload after a couple of shots? It's a key part of any shooter game, first or third person, and would be a lot more fun than basically losing a move after 5 or so uses. Give it a separated command like Down B or Shield B to manually reload it anytime the player want or make the character only reload after using all its ammo.

Yeah I could definitely see that over a "keep track of your ammo because after a while you'll become useless."
It's become a staple in fighting games for someone to have a command to reload something so I could see it in Smash.

Only issue is of course which weapon the reload button would reload, but there's a bunch of solutions for that.

Otherwise, having a character who is "Lose slowly over time" isn't... fun...

 

[ZelDan]

They should Add Chris as the RE rep and have one of his specials be punching boulders into opponents.

And...that's all I have to add, as I never played a RE game and am not very familiar of it...

 

[PLATINUM7]

They should Add Chris as the RE rep and have one of his specials be punching boulders into opponents.

And...that's all I have to add, as I never played a RE game and am not very familiar of it...

Chris gets Charizard's Rock Smash.

 

[Trevenant]

How would you all react if Cinderace is a DLC character in Fighters Pass 2?

React like pretty much anyone else would. I personally find the starters a bit too boring and would probably prefer one of the other 2 but I'd just go eh, pretty standard stuff.

If Sword and Shield gets any rep I honestly expect it to be from the DLC (which I think is quite likely on its own, Nintendo and Sakurai love their pokemon) as that spirit event pretty much killed the vanilla game unless it was planned a lot earlier in advance which I'm sceptical about.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Is that Jelly Jigglers face? That has to be Jelly Jigglers face

Nah it's Saitama's face pasted on my Trapezium character but good call with Jelly Jiggler. I love Bobobo.

 

[Knight Dude]

No source gaming, I dont wanna play a game, I want to know how low Layton and sora are on the poll so I can stop pretending that people like them

From what I've seen, ****** out here LOVE Sora. Layton's probably that dude in the office you get along with but don't know like that.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

I think the difference is that Joker uses it for one special move.

I imagine an RE character would use it frequently, unless its someone like Wesker or Nemesis.

It reminds me, a while ago, someone (inksaver) posted this moveset concept for Jill:

Idk how the rating system works exactly but based on what we have with Snake and Joker i guess the grenade/rocket launchers would be ok (?) and handguns are fair game too (unless they're too realistic?? idk). So i'm guessing something like that could work.

As i said, i don't fully understand how the rating system works but i think there's still room to build an iconic moveset for Jill even within the limitations (doesn't have to be the exact kit from inksaver's moveset, but you get the idea, it could be other weapons/items like grenades or i guess the Magnum could also work).

The only 'deal breaker', at least imo, is the handgun. A RE protagonist without their trusty handgun, it just wouldn't feel right to me.

 

[Knight Dude]

What do you guys consider to be the most hypest character reveal?

If I had to guess it'd come down toand

Guess it came down to/or

Mega Man isn't on this list, so I have to fundamentally disagree. Was a perfect way to start off the game.

Sonic and Cloud were also OD tho.

 

[Ben Holt]

So if the supposed Vergeben leak is true, then my personal Fighter's Pass is looking pretty good!

 

[Evil Trapezium]

How would you all react if Cinderace is a DLC character in Fighters Pass 2?

Same as Incineroar. Disappointed but he'd probably control pretty good. Then makes me wish Decidueye was chosen instead of Incineroar.

 

[Knight Dude]

Well, there is also composer Keiichi Okabe who is already on the Smash music team and he indeed composed musics for Nier. Either way, one of these composers will have the final say on which music is allowed and the set number of track that can appears alongside the supposed Square Enix fighter for Fighter Pass 2.

I don't know how much that'd exactly help. Keiichi Okabe also did music for various Tekken games. And that series was in consideration before Okabe joined up for Ultimate. I think the music side of things would only matter a heck of a lot more after the character had been chosen.

 

[N3ON]

Or maybe Yoko Shimomura can help break the barrier for Kingdom Hearts, since she's a composer already on board for Ultimate.

People have been saying this since Brawl.

The composers really don't affect which characters get included. They're basically all work for hire anyway.

 

[SKX31]

People have been saying this since Brawl.

The composers really don't affect which characters get included. They're basically all work for hire anyway.

[Looks at Uetmatsu's contribution to Brawl]

Now I feel sad.

Chris gets Charizard's Rock Smash.

Smash Ultimate's Chris metagame, 2021, Colorized: