Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[True Blue Warrior]

Remember guys and gals.
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Every ARMS character is eligible. We could get Springman/Min Min but we may also get one of the lesser "recognizable" characters.

Sakurai never said that recognisability doesn’t factor, just that whether or not a character is fun to play as or not is more important than whether the character is new or old or recognisable to everyone, refuting any detractor arguments of notability rooted in the fact they didn’t personally recognise Terry. Spring Man has just as great a potential to be fun as and he’s not a character that everyone would recognise so he fits the bill.

People can want whatever ARMS character they want, but Spring Man is going to be the ARMS character for Ultimate.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

People can want whatever ARMS character they want, but Spring Man is going to be the ARMS character for Ultimate.

I'm not saying you will be wrong, but that's a bold statement to make. Min Min I see as just as likely as Spring Man due to her insane popularity.

 

[MooMew64]

Like, Spring Man seems pretty safe, but why make it a guessing game if it's just him? That's what keeps me from settling on him, TBH.

The whole guessing game thing is gonna be super dumb in hindsight if it just turns out to be Spring Man without any kind of gimmick, lol.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I'm not saying you will be wrong, but that's a bold statement to make. Min Min I see as just as likely as Spring Man due to her insane popularity.

Bold statements are fun as long as you don’t insult people for thinking differently.

 

[Heoj]

Sakurai: "Here's Geno as a playable character"
Geno fans: *get aggressively excited*
Sakurai: "He has timed hits as his gimmick haha"
Geno fans: *drop him after a month due to being unable to make him work due to the atrocious gimmick*

Id rather you not assume what Geno fans like myself would do with the character, i feel like thats a pretty negative mentality.

Geno is one of my most wanted and if he gets in then ima play as him till my arms fall off even if hes like bottom tier.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Sakurai: "Here's Geno as a playable character"
Geno fans: *get aggressively excited*
Sakurai: "He has timed hits as his gimmick haha"
Geno fans: *drop him after a month due to being unable to make him work due to the atrocious gimmick*

Eh. I honestly don't think they'd make Geno require that much precision. It'd probably just be used within his Special Attacks as well since I don't see his normal attacks really needing them (most of Geno's normal attack action commands are timed to when he starts firing, which would just be what happens when you press the attack button when translated to a fighting game). Lastly, unlike for a Rhythm Heaven character, there is 0 pressure for the attacks to completely fail when the player's timing is off since you can play through Super Mario RPG just fine without even having to worry about the action commands. It'll be harder for you, but you can do it. (I don't think it would be a good design for a Rhythm Heaven character either but that's another discussion entirely)


Really they'll just drop him because he turns out to be a zoner, and those things are the scourge of the earth.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Id rather you not assume what Geno fans like myself would do with the character, i feel like thats a pretty negative mentality.

Geno is one of my most wanted and if he gets in then ima play as him till my arms fall off even if hes like bottom tier.

Idk people said that about so many characters in the past as there's many examples of highly requested characters who just suck to play as for whatever reasons. Geno's at an especially high risk of this because his suggested gimmick will never work due to how ****ing ridiculously finicky it is, we even have an example, I believe Azazel has timed hits in BBTag and literally nobody likes it when he himself is a popular character

 

[Koopaul]

People haven't really considered it because every character has access to every Arm type and Min Min's special arms will likely be her B attacks. It's an easy problem to fix.

I already address the fact that any character can use any arm type. But I think characters standard attacks should also be the gloves they have when in idle. It would be strange to see Min Min wearing someone else's arms for most of the battle.

Min Min is iconically depicted like this:



With her Dragon ARM. So one would think that she'd have that out most of the time right? Yeah the devs can do whatever they want. They could just have Min Min running around with some basic boxing gloves on and only pull out the Dragon when doing a special attack. But it just doesn't seem likely to me. I think the developers are going to choose someone whose funamental design and ARM choice would be the best to represent the core idea of ARMS.

The poll at the top shouldn't be taken too seriously. Even though quite a few people voted for who they want most, there's quite a few who voted for who they think is most likely. There's also a difference between voting for your favorite character and voting for who you want in Smash. I imagine quite a few people voted for Spring Man and Ribbon Girl because they believe they're the best characters to represent ARMS.

This guy. Mechanica is my favorite ARMS character but I think she would be a poor choice as the sole representative of ARMS.

 

[PeridotGX]

Going with Geno for 77

"left-field"
"Geno"

choose one

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

"left-field"
"Geno"

choose one

We talk about him a lot, but he sure as heck ain't likely or expected by anyone let alone anyone not in SmashBoards.

 

[Deleted member]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

Waluigi.
.........Don’t hate me.

 

[MooMew64]

I want one of the characters in this pass to be from Sega.

Gimme Kiryu.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

Amaterasu.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

As I can't really nail down who CP#7 is going to be right now, I'm just going to say I think it's going to be a 3rd party character.

Would love to say it would be Dante or 2B, or even Lloyd Irving, I just can't quite put my finger on it. I will admit my gut tells me Dante is in, but that would probably be seen as a, "yOuR'e BiAsEd" for some folks.

 

[Teeb147]

As I can't really nail down who CP#7 is going to be right now, I'm just going to say I think it's going to be a 3rd party character.

Would love to say it would be Dante or 2B, or even Lloyd Irving, I just can't quite put my finger on it. I will admit my gut tells me Dante is in, but that would probably be seen as a, "yOuR'e BiAsEd" for some folks.

For some reason I think we'll be getting 2-3 more nintendo characters first. Just a feeling

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I will admit my gut tells me Dante is in, but that would probably be seen as a, "yOuR'e BiAsEd" for some folks.

You don't want to pick the pick you're biased towards? That's stupid. Stop being so biased against your biases Scoliosis! Just base your opinions on the cold hard facts that absolutely exist and I didn't just make up like me.

 

[Mr. Robotto]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

Left field? Sol Badguy, Phoenix Wright or Kiryu. These are my most-wanted as well.

But if we're talking actual predictions here, I'll have to go with Geno. I feel like we're gonna get a major crowd-pleaser if this character was supposed to be revealed at E3, a Banjo-situation so to speak. I don't really even have a personal connection with this character, but it's just a gut feeling.

 

[Koopaul]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

After the previous Fighter's Pass I can safely say... who knows. I mean. Just look at it. Joker, Hero, Banjo, Terry, and Byleth. It's all over the place. It's a lot easier to do speculation once you know what series they're going with, like ARMS. You narrow things down to those 15. But the skies the limit for the next 5 fighters.

 

[Perkilator]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

Cash Banooca or bust for me.

 

[Goombaic]

I think a Gen 8 Pokemon's coming up next already. Seems like the kind of thing Nintendo would've announced in an E3 direct.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think a Gen 8 Pokemon's coming up next already. Seems like the kind of thing Nintendo would've announced in an E3 direct.

It's like the best time to do so, right in time to promote the DLC.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Amaterasu.

This is an answer I like

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This is an answer I like

Me too. She and her stage (especially her stage) would be so beautiful in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's water color aesthetic.

EDIT: Really the only bad thing I can see with her addition would be the fact that there's no Codex conversation regarding her.

"Colonel! There's this white dog assaulting me with invisible weaponry!"

 

[TheCJBrine]

Sakurai: "Here's Geno as a playable character"
Geno fans: *get aggressively excited*
Sakurai: "He has timed hits as his gimmick haha"
Geno fans: *drop him after a month due to being unable to make him work due to the atrocious gimmick*

Idk, I think Geno’s timed hits in Legacy XP and Crusade are fine, I’m sure Sakurai could make them good if he includes them. The timed hits wouldn’t be necessary anyway, besides Geno Whirl I guess; just needs to make attacks a bit stronger and maybe look a bit different/do a different attack when done.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

Bubsy .

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Bubsy .

Lol! That would be horrible.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Lol! That would be horrible.

What could pawsibly go wrong with revealing Bubsy?

 

[Knight Dude]

I bought Fatal Fury Special and KoF 98 after Terry's reveal. KoF 98 is fun. So is FFS. Both have bull AI.

But the reveal wasn't the reason I gave the series a shot. I already owned KoF XIV and loved it, so I didn't list it.

Fatal Fury / King of Fighters were in the same ball park as Banjo Kazooie and Fire Emblem. A series I already knew I liked.

You really like to hear it king. Rugal's a huge ***** in '98. Who was your team? I mostly used Terry, King and Heady D! But I swapped Heavy D! out for Iori to deal with Mr. GENOCIDO CUTTAH! himself.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

What could pawsibly go wrong with revealing Bubsy?

I don't know, it's just he is one of the worst platforming mascots ever from one of the worst video games ever. But I'll stop it right there.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Idk people said that about so many characters in the past as there's many examples of highly requested characters who just suck to play as for whatever reasons. Geno's at an especially high risk of this because his suggested gimmick will never work due to how ****ing ridiculously finicky it is, we even have an example, I believe Azazel has timed hits in BBTag and literally nobody likes it when he himself is a popular character

Pretty sure the idea of timed hits is not as complicated or finicky as you think. At least, if it's anything like SMRPG it's really basic and would likely apply only to a couple of Geno's moves (his normal 'pellets' or bullets or whatever and Geno Whirl).

Plus there's already timed hits in Smash like with Ridley and Robin's jab (for those who don't know, you can finish the jab combo with a strong hit instead of multi-hit if you time it right). It could easily be as simple as that.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I want one of the characters in this pass to be from Sega.

Gimme Kiryu.

But Yakuza isn't on a Nintendo cons-

*Checking wikipedia*

What the hell?! Why is Yakuza 1 & 2 on the Wii U? They specifically released them on it just to ruin my lame joke!

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Me too. She and her stage (especially her stage) would be so beautiful in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's water color aesthetic.

EDIT: Really the only bad thing I can see with her addition would be the fact that there's no Codex conversation regarding her.

"Colonel! There's this white dog assaulting me with invisible weaponry!"

the thought of a white wolf beating the crap out of Snake has me wanting her more

 

[Wunderwaft]

Sakurai: "Here's Geno as a playable character"
Geno fans: *get aggressively excited*
Sakurai: "He has timed hits as his gimmick haha"
Geno fans: *drop him after a month due to being unable to make him work due to the atrocious gimmick*

tbf timed hits as a gimmick isn't bad in theory. The problem is when you combine it with Ultimate's awful buffering system and the bad netcode you'll be having a bad time.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You really like to hear it king. Rugal's a huge ***** in '98. Who was your team? I mostly used Terry, King and Heady D! But I swapped Heavy D! out for Iori to deal with Mr. GENOCIDO CUTTAH! himself.

Funnily enough, my team includes Terry and King as well.

I just can't find a third one I really like.

Geno's at an especially high risk of this because his suggested gimmick will never work due to how ****ing ridiculously finicky it is,

already has a timing based move.

Geno's got a lot of hurdles to overcome, but timed hits isn't one of them.

 

[7NATOR]

I do have to ask. Since the Subject of Assist trophies is likely to come up in the ARMS Video, even if Spring Man is not Playable, If Sakurai officially confirms Assist Trophies can't be Playable in Same game, how would that change Speculation

If he does Confirm that they can be Playable in the Same game, Even if Spring Man isn't Playable, how would that change Speculation

 

[Mr. Robotto]

But Yakuza isn't on a Nintendo cons-

*Checking wikipedia*

What the hell?! Why is Yakuza 1 & 2 on the Wii U? They specifically released them on it just to ruin my lame joke!

Yep... Only in Japan though. And Nagoshi (creator of Yakuza) blames its low sales for not putting the series on Nintendo consoles anymore. Which is absolutely dumb! If you're releasing your old games in a bundle on a console with an already very low install base and ONLY in Japan as a test. Yeah, of course you're gonna get bad sales Mr. Nagoshi.

Man, I like Nagoshi, but some of his decisions and reasonings are absolutely flawed.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Like, Spring Man seems pretty safe, but why make it a guessing game if it's just him? That's what keeps me from settling on him, TBH.

The whole guessing game thing is gonna be super dumb in hindsight if it just turns out to be Spring Man without any kind of gimmick, lol.

I see this comment a lot and its because in the same trailer they mentioned ARMS was free to play for a week(?) and it gets people to try out the game and speculate who the character will be = gets more people interested in the DLC. There's also the factor they havent had any noteworthy development on the character at the time they revealed it. Sakurai and Nintendo didnt do it to intentionally as some kind of trick or mindgame.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't know, it's just he is one of the worst platforming mascots ever from one of the worst video games ever. But I'll stop it right there.

That's not true! Bubsy 3D isn't Bubsy's debut game.

I do have to ask. Since the Subject of Assist trophies is likely to come up in the ARMS Video, even if Spring Man is not Playable, If Sakurai officially confirms Assist Trophies can't be Playable in Same game, how would that change Speculation

If he does Confirm that they can be Playable in the Same game, Even if Spring Man isn't Playable, how would that change Speculation

If he specifically states that Assist Trophies can join the battle, then people will be expecting at least one more since why put it that way unless you're gonna do it? If he specifically says no, then people will just go back to not talking about the Assist Trophy characters aside from a few flame wars between Assist Trophy fans and those who felt vindicated by their disconfirmation.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That's not true! Bubsy 3D isn't Bubsy's debut game.

Well regardless, they're all bad right? I at least heard Bubsy 3D was.

 

[Wunderwaft]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

Uhhhhh
Waluigi, Kratos, Gordon Freeman

No I do not have anything to back me up besides my gut feeling. And considering the track record of my gut feelings I'm probably wrong this time as well lol.