Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well regardless, they're all bad right? I at least heard Bubsy 3D was.

I believe the consensus is that they're not great, except for the new one which is just ok. Take it with a grain of salt though, I don't know too much about them, and never played them. They have to have some notoriety about them though, otherwise people wouldn't talk about them at all. Still, I don't think it's anything people would unironically want in Smash.


And to clear things up, my first response wasn't meant to be completely serious.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Sakurai: "Here's GenoHero as a playable character"
Geno fansDarthEnderX: *get aggressively excited*
Sakurai: "He has timed hitsRNG, menu navigation and resource management as his gimmick haha"
Geno fansDarthEnderX: *drop him after a month due to being unable to make him work due to the atrocious gimmick*

Fixed.

Like, Spring Man seems pretty safe, but why make it a guessing game if it's just him?

Because the trailer wasn't ready.

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

I guess Geno or Ryu Hayasuba.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Pretty sure the idea of timed hits is not as complicated or finicky as you think. At least, if it's anything like SMRPG it's really basic and would likely apply only to a couple of Geno's moves (his normal 'pellets' or bullets or whatever and Geno Whirl).

Plus there's already timed hits in Smash like with Ridley and Robin's jab (for those who don't know, you can finish the jab combo with a strong hit instead of multi-hit if you time it right). It could easily be as simple as that.

That's 3 seperate attacks, not timing your hits right to maximize damage

Funnily enough, my team includes Terry and King as well.

I just can't find a third one I really like.


already has a timing based move.

Geno's got a lot of hurdles to overcome, but timed hits isn't one of them.

That timed hit has you need to land the grab first, THEN time the hit that comes after, unless Geno would have a moveset that exists solely out of command grabs or hitgrabs, this comparison wouldn't work. The timed hit idea is that you throw a move and then time you button press while the move's active, again, the only timed hit attack has you need to actually land the move before you need to time it, this isn't "Geno can't get in because timed hits don't work", it's "Timed hits don't work and if Geno had it as a gimmick he'd suck"

 

[GoodGrief741]

You fools! You've forgotten the first rule of Smash speculation: if you predict a character will be the next, they're guaranteed to not be it!

I do have to ask. Since the Subject of Assist trophies is likely to come up in the ARMS Video, even if Spring Man is not Playable, If Sakurai officially confirms Assist Trophies can't be Playable in Same game, how would that change Speculation

If he does Confirm that they can be Playable in the Same game, Even if Spring Man isn't Playable, how would that change Speculation

If the former happens I'll be really sad. If the latter happens I'll be super smug. That's all the change I expect tbh

 

[Cosmic77]

Whoever the next character is, I feel like they'd be somewhat big. This was intended to be an E3 reveal, so they'd probably hit us with their best.

 

[7NATOR]

I think Super Smash Bros Crusade (Fangame) did a good job with the Timed Hits. The way to make the mechanic interesting and also work correctly is making sure that Frames to input the timed hit is doable, unless the reward for the Move is super high (for Geno Whirl, which does like 9999 Damage in his home game, they should make that a Just Frame Input).

Also make it so Timed hits and Non-Timed Hits both have their own advantages and Disadvantages separate from each other

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That timed hit has you need to land the grab first, THEN time the hit that comes after, unless Geno would have a moveset that exists solely out of command grabs or hitgrabs, this comparison wouldn't work. The timed hit idea is that you throw a move and then time you button press while the move's active, again, the only timed hit attack has you need to actually land the move before you need to time it, this isn't "Geno can't get in because timed hits don't work", it's "Timed hits don't work and if Geno had it as a gimmick he'd suck"

Wii Fit Trainer, Zelda, and Duck Hunt all have attacks that you have to time in order for them to either work or get the most out of them. It's not as bad as you make it out to be nor would it even require as much precision in Geno's case.

His possible special moves are:

• Geno Beam: This is just a charged attack with a clear indicator of when you need to release the button. If you can fail this move it would probably be that holding the button too long produces a very much weaker laser not unlike how overcharging the Peanut Popgun is generally a bad idea.
• Geno Boost: Deep Breathing, but it just gets better with timing rather than not working at all.
• Geno Whirl: Would likely work a bit like Din's Fire in regards to timing. It's really the only timed move that could actually be difficult.
• Geno Blast: Same deal as Geno Beam.
• Geno Flash: Same deal as Geno Beam, perhaps even with the timing removed to keep the Final Smash consistent with everyone else's.

 

[smashkirby]

F A K E N E W S
also, i always assume Leif as a Roy echo would aesthetically be Electric/Light Roy opposed to Chrom's windy bursts.
would've been pretty neat.

Speaking of which, is anyone at SourceGaming going to update that, or...?

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

That's 3 seperate attacks, not timing your hits right to maximize damage

You only have to time the last hit correctly for it to work anyway. Maximizing dmg or not, it's still a hit that changes depending on the timing, a timed hit.

 

[SnowClaws]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

My first pick would be Euden/The Prince from Dragalia Lost, after all, he already met Marth, Megaman, Monster Hunter, and Chrom. It seems like the perfect time to join Smash as a Fighter 7.

My second pick would be Prinny from Disgaea, since Terry shows up in Makai Wars on 5/26/20, and there is a upcoming HD remake edition of the Prinny games coming to Switch sometime in 2020.

My last pick would be KOS-MOS since looking at the significant meaning behind "77", I found out that number associated with Jesus Christ, and KOS-MOS is a reincarnation of a Biblical figure.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wii Fit Trainer, Zelda, and Duck Hunt all have attacks that you have to time in order for them to either work or get the most out of them. It's not as bad as you make it out to be nor would it even require as much precision in Geno's case.

His possible special moves are:

• Geno Beam: This is just a charged attack with a clear indicator of when you need to release the button. If you can fail this move it would probably be that holding the button too long produces a very much weaker laser not unlike how overcharging the Peanut Popgun is generally a bad idea.
• Geno Boost: Deep Breathing, but it just gets better with timing rather than not working at all.
• Geno Whirl: Would likely work a bit like Din's Fire in regards to timing. It's really the only timed move that could actually be difficult.
• Geno Blast: Same deal as Geno Beam.
• Geno Flash: Same deal as Geno Beam, perhaps even with the timing removed to keep the Final Smash consistent with everyone else's.

WFT's timed hit: isn't an attack
Zelda's timed hit: Not actually a timed hit, you just need to let go of the button and it explodes, this is like saying MvC Zero's Mega Buster is a timed hit, the timing is of your own free will or when it goes too far away
DHD's timed hit: you have free reign on when the clay pidgeon gets shot, even if it's already hit the ground, you can only fail to make it explode if it isn't already out

Timed hits like people say it'd work for Geno: Press the button on a specific frame when doing the attack, not after the attack, during the attack, not if Incineroar grabs you, but if Incineroar hits you

I think Super Smash Bros Crusade (Fangame) did a good job with the Timed Hits. The way to make the mechanic interesting and also work correctly is making sure that Frames to input the timed hit is doable, unless the reward for the Move is super high (for Geno Whirl, which does like 9999 Damage in his home game, they should make that a Just Frame Input).

Also make it so Timed hits and Non-Timed Hits both have their own advantages and Disadvantages separate from each other

Making disadvantages for timed hits goes against the whole idea as the disadvantage is needing to time it as the timed version shoukd be the better move in every possible way, this is like making Wonderwing a move with the same start up as Ganon's up tilt. At that point, the gimmick only serves to hinder the character

 

[Flik]

Well regardless, they're all bad right? I at least heard Bubsy 3D was.

I believe the consensus is that they're not great, except for the new one which is just ok. Take it with a grain of salt though, I don't know too much about them, and never played them. They have to have some notoriety about them though, otherwise people wouldn't talk about them at all. Still, I don't think it's anything people would unironically want in Smash.


And to clear things up, my first response wasn't meant to be completely serious.

I've played the first game (SNES) and liked it; not great but not bad either, it's Sonic The Hedgehog compared to Bubsy 3D.

 

[MasterDoom1666]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

 

[RouffWestie]

Sakurai: "Here's Geno as a playable character"
Geno fans: *get aggressively excited*
Sakurai: "He has timed hits as his gimmick haha"
Geno fans: *drop him after a month due to being unable to make him work due to the atrocious gimmick*

Geno fans would have him in Smash Bros. though. I think that's more important to them than him being S-tier at competitive venues that aren't even going to be available to attend for what could be a long time.

 

[Megadoomer]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Shovel Knight, Alucard, Midna, Skull Kid, and Bomberman immediately come to mind for me.

Looking up the list of assist trophies, others that I'd like to see promoted are Sukapon, Dillon, Ghirahim, Isaac, Krystal, Takamaru, Zero, Rodin, & Knuckles. Maybe Dr. Wily too.

If we're counting assist trophies from previous games that aren't in Ultimate, Saki and Ray as well.

 

[SKX31]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Okay, so (assuming next game):

Zero
Alucard
Krystal
Knuckles / Shadow
Yuri Kozukata
Dr. Waawee
The infinite Assist Trophy glitch reinstated too.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Timed hits like people say it'd work for Geno: Press the button on a specific frame when doing the attack, not after the attack, during the attack, not if Incineroar grabs you, but if Incineroar hits you

Then one of us is misunderstanding things because that idea makes zero sense for most things. Most attacks come out near instantly. What're ya gonna do? Mash A?

The only attack that I see being like this is Geno Whirl, but that's a projectile so like with Din's Fire, you just judge the projectile's proximity to target, then make it go boom.

...Actually, looking it up, that's not how Geno Whirl works either. It's actually super unintuitive how it works so I don't know how they'd handle it (In Super Mario RPG, you press the button again as the projectile leaves the screen...What?). Probably as I described, but with a 1-frame window as an Easter egg (because the reward is insta-death). If it adheres to the source material completely, then it would essentially just be a standard projectile, much like Mii Swordfighter's Chakram, but without the ability to angle it or the slow version.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Waluigi, Isaac, Ashley. At least the first ones on my mind. Oh, duh, Shadow. XD

 

[Wunderwaft]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Besides Waluigi there is Ashley, Zero, Skull Kid, Midna, and Alucard.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Isaac. Waluigi. Anyone else is just gravy. If Spring Man really is chosen I can see Isaac and Waluigi being plausible for the pass.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

Gotta go with Monster Hunter

As for assist upgrades, the one I really want to see is Alucard

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Isaac and Shadow, since their fans got hit the hardest during the November direct

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Sakurai: "Here's Geno as a playable character"
Geno fans: *get aggressively excited*
Sakurai: "He has timed hits as his gimmick haha"
Geno fans: *drop him after a month due to being unable to make him work due to the atrocious gimmick*

Geno fans would have him in Smash Bros. though. I think that's more important to them than him being S-tier at competitive venues that aren't even going to be available to attend for what could be a long time.

I can completely see that with any of the characters I want.

Fun part though: I would probably ***** and moan and then learn to play them regardless. I wouldn't care if they're low-tier trash (I play mostly the Zelda crew, so I'm used to that), just playing my favorites in game is enough.

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

I really do think Waluigi deserves it. I'd also love to see Midna.

Unfortunately, even if we do get Springo, I don't think that means the rest of fighter pass 2 will be all promoted assist trophies. It really feels like Springo could be a special case.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

You fools! You've forgotten the first rule of Smash speculation: if you predict a character will be the next, they're guaranteed to not be it!

Wait! I change my prediction of the next character to be Reimu!

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

For me they would be:

Isaac
Alucard
Samurai Goroh
Zero
Gray Fox
Takamaru

Not a single sword fighter on my list and thank goodness. We don't anymore of them in this game.

 

[Teeb147]

Why is no one saying Ashley? :O

But anyway, I doubt they'd promote any others, and i doubt spring man too

 

[RouffWestie]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

I'd really find a lot of them solid inclusions. Hammer Bro, Waluigi, Isaac, Jeff, Krystal, Chef Kawasaki, Nightmare, Knuckle Joe, Shadow, Skull Kid, Starfy, Vince, Alucard, Guile, Bomberman, Dr. Wily or Zero, heck even Chain Chomp, Flies & Hand, The Ghosts, or Dr. Kawashima, if they could work by some miracle.

 

[7NATOR]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Shadow is my Most wanted (as unique character) so Him, but i don't know if characters like Shadow or Waluigi Should get their own challenger packs.

Beyond that, Isaac would be cool, So would Zero. Alucard as well, Knuckles definitely as well.

 

[Speed Weed]

So who is y'alls' left field pick prediction for #77?

this might be bias speaking but i've had this feeling lately that phoenix is next

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

bomberman, takamaru, isaac and alucard

if we count assists from previous games, then saki

 

[Digital Hazard]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

In my personal perfect world, Shovel Knight, Tiki, Phosphora and Knuckles would have been playable.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Yuri Kozukata (I love Fatal Frame) and Zero

 

[Deleted member]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Waluigi & Nintendogs are my most wanted promotions.

Others I’d like to see are Isaac, Starfy, Phosphora, Shadow, Knuckles, Bomberman and Shovel Knight.

Edit: If Poke Balls count as Assists, I would love to have Meowth.

 

[toonito]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Bomberman
Ghirahim
Gray Fox
Guile
Zero

 

[Digital Hazard]

Whoever the next character is, I feel like they'd be somewhat big. This was intended to be an E3 reveal, so they'd probably hit us with their best.

-The trailer starts with a shot of Dharkon and Galeem fighting each other during the Final Battle, the entirety of the roster and the Hands are shown fighting against all the bosses and an army of Puppet Fighters-

-The 81 characters by then are shown to attack with bravery, spirits floating by their side to assist them, but not even their numbers and abilities can do a thing against the gigantic armies of light and dark who are also battling against the other-

-The camera focuses on Mario, who delivered a punch to a Ryu puppet while a K. Rool one tries to strike him, but Mario manages to sweep it off via a kick. Things seem to be doing well for him, until he is struck by a bunch of missiles, to his horror, puppets of Samus, Dark Samus, Mega Man and the Mii Gunner are all pointing their armed cannons at him, and are charging attacks-

-Things are getting more dire, as he sees Lucas and Cloud have been grabbed by Galleom and Rathalos has R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer held by its thalons, as more of the fighters fall, Mario looks up at his attackers, and closes his eyes to prepare for the worst-

-Instead, he heard something crashing, and opens his eyes to see a figure that is still unrevealed to be on top of the now defeated Mega Man puppet, who proceeds to bounce off the heads of the Samus, Dark Samus and Mii Gunner ones as well, confusing them and allowing the new presence to beat them all with a series of punches and kicks, then throws their bodies to Galleom and Rathalos with enough strength from them to balance off and loose their grip on the fighters they held. The new fighter goes to Mario and offers his hand to help him up-

-"Come on, we got to beat these, old buddy!" he says, but Mario is in doubt, to which the fighter speaks once more "Gee, you serious? I thought after all those years of plumbing you'd not be a chicken, are you afraid of those idiots? If not, put up a fight! And now with me here..."-

-The fighter reveals a Smash envelope, and as the camera reveals who he is, and with a confident smirk he says...-

"What could possibly go wrong?"

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

-The trailer starts with a shot of Dharkon and Galeem fighting each other during the Final Battle, the entirety of the roster and the Hands are shown fighting against all the bosses and an army of Puppet Fighters-

-The 81 characters by then are shown to attack with bravery, spirits floating by their side to assist them, but not even their numbers and abilities can do a thing against the gigantic armies of light and dark who are also battling against the other-

-The camera focuses on Mario, who delivered a punch to a Ryu puppet while a K. Rool one tries to strike him, but Mario manages to sweep it off via a kick. Things seem to be doing well for him, until he is struck by a bunch of missiles, to his horror, puppets of Samus, Dark Samus, Mega Man and the Mii Gunner are all pointing their armed cannons at him, and are charging attacks-

-Things are getting more dire, as he sees Lucas and Cloud have been grabbed by Galleom and Rathalos has R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer held by its thalons, as more of the fighters fall, Mario looks up at his attackers, and closes his eyes to prepare for the worst-

-Instead, he heard something crashing, and opens his eyes to see a figure that is still unrevealed to be on top of the now defeated Mega Man puppet, who proceeds to bounce off the heads of the Samus, Dark Samus and Mii Gunner ones as well, confusing them and allowing the new presence to beat them all with a series of punches and kicks, then throws their bodies to Galleom and Rathalos with enough strength from them to balance off and loose their grip on the fighters they held. The new fighter goes to Mario and offers his hand to help him up-

-"Come on, we got to beat these, old buddy!" he says, but Mario is in doubt, to which the fighter speaks once more "Gee, you serious? I though after all those years of plumbing you'd not be a chicken, are you afraid of those idiots? If not, put up a fight! And now with me here..."-

-The fighter reveals a Smash envelope, and as the camera reveals who he is, and with a confident smirk he says...-

"What could possibly go wrong?"

 

[TheCJBrine]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Skull Kid
Midna
Bomberman
Isaac
Blinky, Inky, Pinky, Clyde
Shadow
WA-

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

Isaac, Bomberman, Shadow, Midna, Lyn, Krystal, and Ashley.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Spoiler: Media

Top 10 video game tracks you've definitely heard before but never knew it's origin:

 

[TTF]

Since people seem to be keen on the idea of promoting Spring Man to playable status, I'm curious. What other assist trophies (besides Waluigi) would you want to see promoted?

- Ashley
- Chain Chomp
- Excite Bike
- Black Knight
- Vince
- Samurai Goroh
- Shovel Knight

 

[Evil Trapezium]

"Buh-tty wins!"

If Bubsy ever joins Smash bros as a fighter, you'd be fighting the controls trying to get him to stay on a platform because of how wacky his air movement would be.