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I know that, just that Wrecking Crew is apparently considered a separate entity from the Super Mario bros. series. If that was the case then why does the Mario Bros. stage use a Mushroom instead of a sidewalker?
Maybe?
Well, of course it did well there, ya silly. It delivered the ultimate gameplay experience by way of true terror! Since Japanese is proven to be the most MENACING of all languages according to linguistics professors at Schwoombus University (I can especially testify to this because I hear Takehito Koyasu in my nightmares), the Japanese dub mathematically augments Kratos' inherent intimidation factor x10.
This. Or even if it is Spring Man, it wouldn’t surprise me if they just left the AT untouched and we’re just overthinking things.
Restocks don't necessarily work as a convincing marker on what will come newcomer wise specifically because they don't need to be related to any updates to the game. Amiibo "Theory" worked previously because the game had to be updated to support Amiibo functionality for brand new Amiibo, whereas these are entirely dependent on the production lines for the Amiibo themselves that have obviously been impacted by current events. The Amiibo restock was originally planned for much earlier, but got pushed back to June due to the production issues surrounding COVID-19. It's almost certainly a coincidence that the Amiibo restock fell on the same month as the ARMS character's release, and saying between June 5th and June 27th for the already announced ARMS character releasing in June doesn't really feel like it says much at all.
I mean Rosalina has done far more than any other character outside of the Triforce Trio in Zelda. Skull Kid "appearing 3 times" in Zelda doesn't really mean much when it's just Skull Kids as the race and not the specific character with Majora's Mask that we commonly associate as "Skull Kid." Even Impa doesn't really get much of a chance to do anything outside of Skyward Sword (She's important to OoT, but she barely appears in the game itself). Also, Rosalina just pretty much had timing and interest on her side TBH. Sakurai has just always gone back to the Mario well as opposed to the Zelda one, and at this point in time, there's not a ton of incentive to add another Zelda character as there aren't currently major Zelda characters in a good position timing wise or even popularity wise.
If they can code certain ATs to disable others and Gray Fox to mention Snake if he's around I don't see disabling the Spring Man AT as a problem.
I think it comes down to the fact that Mario is just a different series in design from Zelda. Mario and crew are thrown together in quite a few different genres where those characters are playable and have developed strong hardcore, and casual, fan bases.
Rosalina appears in three Mario platformers, one of which she's even playable. Midna is only in one mainline Zelda game. I don't get the comparison.
When the Smash 4 roster was decided, the year was 2012. At that point Rosalina was in Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii, and made a small cameo in Galaxy 2.
Nintendo was also pushing Rosalina pretty damn hard during the late Wii/early Wii U era. Like, playable in a mainline Mario game is quite possibly the single biggest status any side character could aim for. And Mario Kart isn't the end all, be all for characters in Smash of course... but also, it's Mario Kart, it definitely inherently makes her a more recognizable character for many people (something even Waluigi has going for him I'll admit).
I mean, as a company Nintendo would know the road map for their future games too, especially a mainline 3D Mario title where Rosalina was the only other playable character outside of the core Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Toad. We just saw Nintendo choose Byleth as far back as early 2018 despite not releasing until mid-2019 for example.
Nintendo doesn't tell Sakurai everything in advance. If that were the case we'd likely have had Spring Man and Rex in the base game. Hell, Sakurai explicitly stated Marth would've had his Shadow Dragon redesign in Brawl if he knew it was coming.
I mean, Rosalina's role in SMG/SMG2 was that of a support character, and in 3D World she's a secret unlockable character that's not a part of the regular gameplay and can only be found after unlocking the "post-Bowser" levels.
I'm saying Nintendo knew they had plans for Rosalina moving forward and intended to continue including her as a brand new popular Mario side character. Sakurai doesn't know everything, but he does get wind of some things and ideas, and Nintendo certainly works with him to realize Smash in a variety of ways. It's not some incredibly ridiculous notion to say "Hey, we intend on continuing to push this character, so including her works out well." It's not like Super Mario 3D World got her into Smash or that I'm even trying to say that, just that Rosalina was still intended to grow as a Mario side character at that time.
We don't have Tingle because Americans are dumb lol. Tingle should have checked every box for an additional Zelda fighter and is actually an interesting character to consider, but then the West decided they were going to hate him and ridicule him.
Because its the franchise that's home to Nintendo's mascot none other then Mario. It makes sense for it to have lot of representation.
you know what other series also would make sense to have a lot of representation
It is without a doubt one of Nintendo's most recognizable and popular franchises but I can understand why Super Mario gets more representation as again Mario is Nintendo's mascot and what started their gaming industry.
Which it does. It has 6 different characters, tons of stages, items, Assist Trophies, and music. It's never been as big of a series as Mario and has barely any spin-off games made. There's, what, 10? The CD-i games(which Nintendo had to be forced to let happen due to court), Link's Crossbow Training, the three Tingle games, and the three Hyrule Warrior games. And the three HW games also were mostly updated re-releases so maybe 2 at most for the HW series. The rest are main story entries, with at best mini-games. Oh, I forgot about Tetra's Trackers, but I don't think that properly was more than just a mini-game in a game?? I might be wrong. Compared to Mario Kart, the Mario RPG's, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, and more...
You managed to somehow miss the entirety of the context for the argument and move the goal posts despite literally all of the needed context being on the same page as your post.
Or Sakurai adding Spring Man and saying.
No, but since this is a crossover fighting game where you play as iconic characters, it's arguably the type of content that matters the most.
I wasn't debating that. Just that saying all other representation is effectively irrelevant is a poor argument. They absolutely matter too. The thing that had the least impact were Trophies. Stickers/Spirits affect gameplay. Stages do too. Music is also less important, but it's clear the fanbase takes it very seriously, especially after Final Fantasy getting two songs. People were not happy with that. Items blatantly affect gameplay(AT's or otherwise).
Noooooooo! Spring Man can't be promoted because that means Assist trophies and spirits don't deconfirm which means Geno will have a chance!
from how passive agressive Ive seen that thread be toword people, I dont know if I want him in just to knock them down a peg and teach them being passive agressive isnt cuteNoooooooo! Spring Man can't be promoted because that means Assist trophies and spirits don't deconfirm which means Geno will have a chance!
I don't think this is a fair comparison as Zelda didn't lose literally everything it had unlike your MvCI example.
Ok but the sales I pulled was the God of War game where Kratos was shown being ****ing terrified
I wouldn't exactly call Americans stupid for disliking a character who fits our description of a stereotypical creep/deadbeat (who I believe treats you and everyone else like crap in The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker).
I wasn't debating that other forms of representation are meaningless either... but I would gladly trade a few items, ATs and a few unnecessary older stages (Temple comes to mind easily) for a playable character that isn't a Triforce holder. Or heck, just for a fully original Ganondorf moveset, giving the Masks to Young Link's specials and Magic Meter to Toon Link.
For Assist Trophies, I hope for Waluigi or Nintendog.
It's a shame that the hated stigma from Wind Waker still carried on Tingle for years to come. In Majora's Mask he was a kind yet weird map maker that flied in balloons, yet the tedious fetch quests in Wind Waker is what sealed the deal for many people. Because of that hate Rosy Rupeeland was never released in America even though it was a very unique and fun game, it's a great game and it sucks that a lot of people missed out on it.
It's not just the fetch quest either. The guy was a slave driver, which is a complete 180 on his very benevolent MM incarnation. Single WW, every version of Tingle was toned down, though sometimes greedy, to be a lot better as a person. The fetch quest sucked too, mind you. I mean, I find the long sailing fun and all(an unpopular opinion), but as much as I love a good grind, it wasn't a well-made quest piece. The rest of the game was significantly better, and the Tingle Tuner was also a good item for a particular gimmick/game add-on kind of thing. Paying Tingle to drop items from anywhere/bomb places you can't reach, etc? That's cool. Him being a slave-driver and overcharging you to save the world? Not cool.
if it was solely a matter of who we need and who's missing, not only would we have a much smaller roster, but we might as well stop forever, as there's probably no one character left that needs to be in
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