Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Take 2: not familiar with them

It seems they're responsible for Bioshock, Civilization, Grand Theft Auto, and (lol) Duke Nukem Forever.

EDIT: Also L.A. Noir and Kerbal Space Program.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

You know, I find it incredibly distasteful that here we are, discussing 1st party characters like Tingle and some kid who hides behind a spiky mask, or 4 dead people, when we're overlooking arguably the greatest potential pick of all time.

This pick, mind you, would bring a whole new flavor to Smash Ultimate. The moveset potential...has gaming history attached to them, while not even being a gaming character at their core.

An IP that crosses over with many different gaming events, is internationally recognized, and has remained relevant since it's inception...

You're damn right.

It's ****ing Pepsi Man!

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... eh. If we're talking these kinds of characters for Smash, I can think of one that offers an even better flavor...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

It seems they're responsible for Bioshock, Civilization, Grand Theft Auto, and (lol) Duke Nukem Forever.

EDIT: Also L.A. Noir and Kerbal Space Program.

We know Bioshock is coming... and I thought GTA and LA Noire were Rockstar?
Anyway with that in mind I’d expect a Civ port or something cause we already know Bioshock Collection is on its way

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

We know Bioshock is coming... and I thought GTA and LA Noire were Rockstar?
Anyway with that in mind I’d expect a Civ port or something

Thinking about it, I'm very likely incorrect in saying they're responsible for them. It seems Take 2 is just a publisher.

EDIT: Google's excerpt from Take 2 games's official site:

Take-Two Interactive Software is a leading game publisher, creating games through its labels, Rockstar Games, 2K, Private Division, and Social Point.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

We know Bioshock is coming... and I thought GTA and LA Noire were Rockstar?
Anyway with that in mind I’d expect a Civ port or something cause we already know Bioshock Collection is on its way

Take Two is Rockstar's parent company

They own 2k on top of that, so think of it as an Activision Blizzard situation

 

[Wunderwaft]

It's not just the fetch quest either. The guy was a slave driver, which is a complete 180 on his very benevolent MM incarnation. Single WW, every version of Tingle was toned down, though sometimes greedy, to be a lot better as a person. The fetch quest sucked too, mind you. I mean, I find the long sailing fun and all(an unpopular opinion), but as much as I love a good grind, it wasn't a well-made quest piece. The rest of the game was significantly better, and the Tingle Tuner was also a good item for a particular gimmick/game add-on kind of thing. Paying Tingle to drop items from anywhere/bomb places you can't reach, etc? That's cool. Him being a slave-driver and overcharging you to save the world? Not cool.

I'm a giant Tingle fan, but there's no denying he's an awful person in WW alone. Rosy Rupeeland makes the "charge an arm and a leg" bit less bothersome, as this version of the character, though only in hindsight, is from that culture. Now how he treats his brothers? Where'd that come from. Though I haven't played RR just yet, nor looked at all of the story, so I dunno if him suddenly being a slave driver remotely fits within that story either. I know the game has more adult moments that'd need censoring too(one of the final ending scenes where it's clear something sexual happens. At the very least it's pretty hard implied). Its greedy nature may have also been a factor, as if I remember right, not all of the Tingle games made it to Europe either. So I dunno if it's just "Americans Hate Tingle" regardless of that.

I wish they stuck to his MM self. It's good they improved his Toon version after WW and all, but they already had a neat lovable character who was very silly but helpful.

I haven't played RR in a long time so my memories may not be up to date, but I don't think RR Tingle was like WW Tingle. In Rosy Rupeeland Tingle decides to get out of home and get filthy rich by getting ruppees around the world, whether it's from saving people or beating up monsters. In RR Tingle is a man of action and most of his interactions with the characters are commerce related where he haggles them for items and whatnot. His brothers don't appear in RR though so it seems that bit of information is solely tied to WW. Tingle is still a greedy little ass, but he's a charming greedy little ass.

And yeah I agree with you that MM was his best iteration personality wise.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I haven't played RR in a long time so my memories may not be up to date, but I don't think RR Tingle was like WW Tingle. In Rosy Rupeeland Tingle decides to get out of home and get filthy rich by getting ruppees around the world, whether it's from saving people or beating up monsters. In RR Tingle is a man of action and most of his interactions with the characters are commerce related where he haggles them for items and whatnot. His brothers don't appear in RR though so it seems that bit of information is solely tied to WW. Tingle is still a greedy little ass, but he's a charming greedy little ass.

And yeah I agree with you that MM was his best iteration personality wise.

And then in the second game he's searching for love. How does he accomplish this? By buying it of course! No one would love a short chubby dude in a fairy costume otherwise!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You know, I find it incredibly distasteful that here we are, discussing 1st party characters like Tingle and some kid who hides behind a spiky mask, or 4 dead people, when we're overlooking arguably the greatest potential pick of all time.

This pick, mind you, would bring a whole new flavor to Smash Ultimate. The moveset potential...has gaming history attached to them, while not even being a gaming character at their core.

An IP that crosses over with many different gaming events, is internationally recognized, and has remained relevant since it's inception...

You're damn right.

It's ****ing Pepsi Man!

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This shall only be acceptable if I get a specific alt.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

from how passive agressive Ive seen that thread be toword people, I dont know if I want him in just to knock them down a peg and teach them being passive agressive isnt cute

I mean it's not entirely their fault though. Everytime I enter that thread I always see the odd person come in and rile up the Geno fans by being coy by asking why people want him. The question is fair enough but it gets constantly used as a front to annoy them, even then most Geno fans on that thread seem to keep their cool about it.

That's just my take on that thread.

 

[Cosmic77]

The Geno thread wouldn't be so bad if the users there would (1) learn how to ignore trolls, and (2) realize that there's a world outside of Geno.

I can't remember the last time they had a positive, supportive reaction to a new character. The best they could say about ARMS is that Spirits may not be deconfirmations, and Geno would be more likely if that were true.

 

[Garteam]

I don't think Sakurai's gonna say much about spirit/assist trophy promotions during the ARMS presentation itself beyond maybe a brief acknowledgement of Spring Man's assist trophy status if it's him. I'd be really surprised if he said something like "This is going to be the start of a trend of spirit/assist trophy promotions", "This is a special exception to characters otherwise not having multiple roles", or "We considered X, but rejected them because they were already an assist trophy or spirit". Sakurai usually plays his cards a little closer to his chest than that. Maybe I could see him going a bit more in depth on the issue in his Famitsu column, seeing how that's generally more inside baseball than his directs, but I still wouldn't expect him to make any grand statements on the plausibility of (more) spirits/assist trophies promotions.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The Geno thread wouldn't be so bad if the users there would (1) learn how to ignore trolls, and (2) realize that there's a world outside of Geno.

I can't remember the last time they had a positive, supportive reaction to a new character. They best they could say about ARMS is that Spirits may not be deconfirmations, and Geno would be more likely if that were true.

To be fair that applies to damn near every support thread

 

[Guynamednelson]

The Geno thread wouldn't be so bad if the users there would (1) learn how to ignore trolls, and (2) realize that there's a world outside of Geno.

I can't remember the last time they had a positive, supportive reaction to a new character. They best they could say about ARMS is that Spirits may not be deconfirmations, and Geno would be more likely if that were true.

They also need to not stan every "leaker" and YouTube personality who thinks Geno miiiiiight get in.

 

[Will]

yo we ****ting on the geno thread again?



I wonder if after all of the controversy that goes on in there it's seen as a literal containment thread.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I mean it's not entirely their fault though. Everytime I enter that thread I always see the odd person come in and rile up the Geno fans by being coy by asking why people want him. The question is fair enough but it gets constantly used as a front to annoy them, even then most Geno fans on that thread seem to keep their cool about it.

That's just my take on that thread.

look fam I understand, but no, that doesnt excuse the passive agressive attitudes. Im sorry, im sure some of them are good people But they are really cocky and such but they fail to understand that they are. And I dont know a single person on earth that Likes overly cocky and passive agressive people

 

[Rie Sonomura]

ok so there’s two from Square, two from Ubisoft, 1 from Capcom, 1 from Take Two, 2 from Warner, 3 from Bethesda and 4 from Nintendo

 

[Digital Hazard]

Yeah, apparently Wrecking Crew is distinct enough to get it's own symbol?

Wrecking Crew is... Weird...

First time it was ever referenced was back in Melee by Eggplant Man having a trophy, and while it acknowledges that it's a game with Mario and Luigi in it, it's lumped with other minorly represented games.

In Brawl we got the Golden Hammer item and it was considered a Mario item, as its trophy is in the Mario section.

But then comes Smash 4. The Golden Hammer is still considered a Mario item, its trophy once again in the Mario section, but we also got the stage that for some reason got its own series symbol. There's also two Wrecking Crew medleys, but they're in the Others section, rather than being a Mario track, thus the Wrecking Crew stage can't play any other Mario song. But then you can find the original Wrecking Crew in Masterpieces highlighted as a Mario game.

Now in Ultimate, Wrecking Crew is back as a stage of its own series, the Wrecking Crew tracks are still in the Others section, the Golden Hammer is back but dunno if it's marked what series is from, and then the Eggplant Man spirit is counted as a Super Mario spirit.

Oh and in Wii U and Ultimate it counts as R.O.B.'s home stage.

I don't know why they did this.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Restocks don't necessarily work as a convincing marker on what will come newcomer wise specifically because they don't need to be related to any updates to the game. Amiibo "Theory" worked previously because the game had to be updated to support Amiibo functionality for brand new Amiibo, whereas these are entirely dependent on the production lines for the Amiibo themselves that have obviously been impacted by current events. The Amiibo restock was originally planned for much earlier, but got pushed back to June due to the production issues surrounding COVID-19. It's almost certainly a coincidence that the Amiibo restock fell on the same month as the ARMS character's release, and saying between June 5th and June 27th for the already announced ARMS character releasing in June doesn't really feel like it says much at all.



I mean Rosalina has done far more than any other character outside of the Triforce Trio in Zelda. Skull Kid "appearing 3 times" in Zelda doesn't really mean much when it's just Skull Kids as the race and not the specific character with Majora's Mask that we commonly associate as "Skull Kid." Even Impa doesn't really get much of a chance to do anything outside of Skyward Sword (She's important to OoT, but she barely appears in the game itself). Also, Rosalina just pretty much had timing and interest on her side TBH. Sakurai has just always gone back to the Mario well as opposed to the Zelda one, and at this point in time, there's not a ton of incentive to add another Zelda character as there aren't currently major Zelda characters in a good position timing wise or even popularity wise.

Is it "Fair"? I guess not, but I don't exactly expect Smash to be. Sakurai seems to have chosen to represent the various Zelda games in different ways rather than unique playable fighters as I previously spoke to in my post demonstrating the love Zelda gets in Smash outside of playable fighters. Hyrule Warriors has shown how unique Zelda characters can be when that much time and development is devoted to them, but it's just never been a priority for Smash in the same way it seems.

Not gonna argue with anything but just wanted to point out something:

Skull Kids may be a race, but the one in MM is confirmed to be the one you play Saria’s Song to in Ocarina of Time. He also keeps his race’s name as his own, it being used in Hyrule Warriors and stuff, so he’s kinda like Toad and Yoshi in that way. He’s also in Twilight Princess and Link’s Crossbow Training, though while he knows Saria’s Song it’s not confirmed whether he’s the same Skull Kid or not, so that’s debatable I guess.

 

[edumolon11]

The Geno thread wouldn't be so bad if the users there would (1) learn how to ignore trolls, and (2) realize that there's a world outside of Geno.

I can't remember the last time they had a positive, supportive reaction to a new character. They best they could say about ARMS is that Spirits may not be deconfirmations, and Geno would be more likely if that were true.

I'm going to laugh very hard when Min Min breaks the spirit rule and five minuts later, Sakurai announces Neku as the Square rep to promote TWEWY2.

Just imagine...

And one year later, challenger pack 11 its Sora, as DISNEY (no Square rep)

And Nomura happy becuase his three babies are in Smash

(I dont think this happening, but just imagine, the salt...)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm going to laugh very hard when Min Min breaks the spirit rule and five minuts later, Sakurai announces Neku as the Square rep to promote TWEWY2.

I hate this as if TWEWY 2 chooses to modernize it's depiction of youth culture then that'd mean Neku would be the kind of guy to make a kpop fancam video on twitter to celebrate

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think the only way Sakurai comments on Assist Trophies or Spirits, assuming Spring Man is the one revealed, is through inference.

Something like, “As you may know, up until now Spring Man appeared in Super Smash Bros Ultimate as an Assist Trophy. Because of that, I suppose you could call his appearance in the roster a ‘Special case’!”

That there doesn’t outright necessarily go either way, but that same comment could also suggest there’s a reason why it would be “special”. But frankly, we’re talking about a LOT of hypotheticals so it’s hard to say either way right now.

 

[MeteoRain]

Which it does. It has 6 different characters, tons of stages, items, Assist Trophies, and music. It's never been as big of a series as Mario and has barely any spin-off games made. There's, what, 10? The CD-i games(which Nintendo had to be forced to let happen due to court), Link's Crossbow Training, the three Tingle games, and the three Hyrule Warrior games. And the three HW games also were mostly updated re-releases so maybe 2 at most for the HW series. The rest are main story entries, with at best mini-games. Oh, I forgot about Tetra's Trackers, but I don't think that properly was more than just a mini-game in a game?? I might be wrong. Compared to Mario Kart, the Mario RPG's, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, and more...

Yeah, it's pretty clear there's a world of difference. For the most part, Zelda's cast is somewhat similar to Fire Emblem's, where circumstance majorly got characters in, and half have another similar playable character(3 Links, Marth/Lucina, Roy/Chrom. Not meaning Roy plays similar to Marth when I say this. But as I said, "similar", not the same). Zelda is bigger than FE overall, yes, but it also still has more content than FE in return. Playable content isn't the only content that matters.

"Playable content isn't the only content that matters."

You're right, FE didn't get anything other than fighters in Ultimate so far.

No spirits.

No assists.

No new item.

No new stages.

Nothing but Byleth and an Echo.

Poor pitiful Fire Emblem.

No offense, but as a Zelda fan, I'd be more than willing to trade all our "luxurious content we take for granted" with FE.

 

[Digital Hazard]

Geno will always be a strange phenomenon to me...

It's not just that he's a one-off, it's what he's a one-off to: A side character from a two decades old spin-off from a much more massive franchise that has a consistent cast, and who doesn't even legally belongs to that series.

Yet people have latched on to him due to a comment Sakurai made around Brawl's time.

That managed to get him a costume as DLC in 4, and then in Ultimate he's a Legendary Spirit and online profile icon. But outside of Smash... He rarely gets mentioned, even within the Mario fanbase, I'm pretty sure people speak more of Paper Mario characters and Fawful.

"Playable content isn't the only content that matters."

You're right, FE didn't get anything other than fighters in Ultimate so far.

No spirits.

No assists.

No new item.

No new stages.

Nothing but Byleth and an Echo.

No offense, but as a Zelda fan, I'd be more than willing to trade all our "luxurious content we take for granted" with FE.

Welp, I never thought I was gonna post this meme I did long back here, but oh welp.

Spoiler

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Geno will always be a strange phenomenon to me...

It's not just that he's a one-off, it's what he's a one-off to: A side character from a two decades old spin-off from a much more massive franchise that has a consistent cast, and who doesn't even legally belongs to that series.

Yet people have latched on to him due to a comment Sakurai made around Brawl's time.

That managed to get him a costume as DLC in 4, and then in Ultimate he's a Legendary Spirit and online profile icon. But outside of Smash... He rarely gets mentioned, even within the Mario fanbase, I'm pretty sure people speak more of Paper Mario characters and Fawful.

Welp, I never thought I was gonna post this meme I did long back here, but oh welp.

Spoiler

It's funny how that meme got outdated due to Zelda getting even more Mii costumes and Spirits tbh, even if I get the complaint, lots of FE fans said they'd rather have had more non playable representation of Corrin back in the day and FE was lacking in that department until Ultimate. For the most part anyway, wild how Fates only gets to have 1 song from it'a OST

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Geno will always be a strange phenomenon to me...

It's not just that he's a one-off, it's what he's a one-off to: A side character from a two decades old spin-off from a much more massive franchise that has a consistent cast, and who doesn't even legally belongs to that series.

Yet people have latched on to him due to a comment Sakurai made around Brawl's time.

That managed to get him a costume as DLC in 4, and then in Ultimate he's a Legendary Spirit and online profile icon. But outside of Smash... He rarely gets mentioned, even within the Mario fanbase, I'm pretty sure people speak more of Paper Mario characters and Fawful.

Welp, I never thought I was gonna post this meme I did long back here, but oh welp.

Spoiler

Sheik’s a one off too, but she’s in a different camp. For one, she’s literally Zelda in a different costume, thus one of the main characters. Geno isn’t in any way tied to the identity of Mario, Luigi, Peach or Bowser.

 

[Digital Hazard]

It's funny how that meme got outdated due to Zelda getting even more Mii costumes and Spirits tbh, even if I get the complaint, lots of FE fans said they'd rather have had more non playable representation of Corrin back in the day and FE was lacking in that department until Ultimate. For the most part anyway, wild how Fates only gets to have 1 song from it'a OST

Eh, I did that meme post-Link's Awakening event and no new Zelda spirits have been added, but you'd be right in the Mii costumes department.

It still is outdated with Byleth bringing a stage, some spirits and tracks, admittedly, but overall, Zelda is represented fine imo. It's kinda like how Alpharad puts it: FE is more focused on character investment and interactions, Zelda is more based around items and exploration. So it having the second most items, stages and Assist Trophies seems well enough.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

When Springman enters the battle, Alfonzo replaces the Assist Trophy.

Alfonzo: Boiyoyoyoing!

 

[Megadoomer]

Geno will always be a strange phenomenon to me...

It's not just that he's a one-off, it's what he's a one-off to: A side character from a two decades old spin-off from a much more massive franchise that has a consistent cast, and who doesn't even legally belongs to that series.

Yet people have latched on to him due to a comment Sakurai made around Brawl's time.

That managed to get him a costume as DLC in 4, and then in Ultimate he's a Legendary Spirit and online profile icon. But outside of Smash... He rarely gets mentioned, even within the Mario fanbase, I'm pretty sure people speak more of Paper Mario characters and Fawful.

A minor correction - Sakurai's comment on Geno was made during Smash 4's DLC; it was about both Brawl and Smash 4.

Part of the problem is that he, like all of the characters who originated in Super Mario RPG, is owned by Square-Enix, meaning that Smash Bros. (or the occasional Mario spin-off that Square-Enix is involved with, like Mario Sports Mix) is his only reasonable chance to appear unless SE sells the rights for those characters to Nintendo. Other Mario RPGs don't have that kind of rights issue.

 

[Digital Hazard]

Sheik’s a one off too, but she’s in a different camp. For one, she’s literally Zelda in a different costume, thus one of the main characters. Geno isn’t in any way tied to the identity of Mario, Luigi, Peach or Bowser.

Yeah, Sheik is weird too, she's like Ivysaur in that she got in for the sake of a gimmick, that being transformation.

A minor correction - Sakurai's comment on Geno was made during Smash 4's DLC; it was about both Brawl and Smash 4.

Ah, I see.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Welp, I never thought I was gonna post this meme I did long back here, but oh welp.

Did you even read MeteoRain's post all the way? That "luxurious content we take for granted" is the non-fighter stuff.

 

[Schnee117]

nooo, fe can't just get more content

haha, killing edge go brrr

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Did you even read MeteoRain's post all the way? That "luxurious content we take for granted" is the non-fighter stuff.

I imagine he just assumed the post gave off the same energy as "Zelda is underrepped"

 

[StrawHatX]

A minor correction - Sakurai's comment on Geno was made during Smash 4's DLC; it was about both Brawl and Smash 4.

Part of the problem is that he, like all of the characters who originated in Super Mario RPG, is owned by Square-Enix, meaning that Smash Bros. (or the occasional Mario spin-off that Square-Enix is involved with, like Mario Sports Mix) is his only reasonable chance to appear unless SE sells the rights for those characters to Nintendo. Other Mario RPGs don't have that kind of rights issue.

And I’m not really sure Nintendo would have any interest in buying the rights to those characters. They don’t usually ever bring back characters from any of the Mario RPG games including the ones they actually have all the rights to.

I’ve never played SMRPG so Geno isn’t a character that particularly appeals to me, but I’ve heard nothing but great things about the game and I have nothing but respect for the Geno fans that continue to support their character. As an Isaac fan I know the pain of having to just move on and keep hoping that one day it’ll happen.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I had this on my mind a bit: I think ATs and Spirits are looked at too strictly when it comes to whether characters can get in or not.

Personally I think it doesn’t matter at all. The DLC was being planned and stuff sometime after Ultimate’s basegame was finished, and we already have cases of characters taking on multiple roles. Would it be weird if the AT showed up while the fighter was on stage? Sure, but they could just have the AT be disabled when the fighter is chosen, like Toon Link on Spirit Tracks becoming Alfonso when you play as Toon Link. Or do what other games do, if they don’t just do the same thing.

Really, I think the only reason why we didn’t get any AT promotions in Smash 4 was because other characters were prioritized; meaning, even if the AT characters weren’t ATs, they wouldn’t have been added anyway. We didn’t get any in Pass 1 because it was planned alongside part of the basegame’s development as well as the priority reason (plus I believe ARMS just helps strengthen this line of thinking since they could’ve put it in Pass 1 but no).

Could the same happen here? Of course, I’m not arguing against that, but it feels a bit too simplified and not very thoughtful or whatever (not exactly sure what words to use here) to say AT and Spirit characters can’t get in because “they’re already an AT and/or a Spirit.”

look fam I understand, but no, that doesnt excuse the passive agressive attitudes. Im sorry, im sure some of them are good people But they are really cocky and such but they fail to understand that they are. And I dont know a single person on earth that Likes overly cocky and passive agressive people

I think some users can be too cocky, but it’s not much different from how some conversations go in this thread to be honest. I do think people should have more of an open mind, though. I remember a few dudes being assuming of you and being rude, though, and that was very much unneeded.

Otherwise I think the Geno thread gets too much crap. Sometimes people can be overly defensive in there when a new dude comes in asking “why Geno?” I guess (tbh I don’t remember many cases of this, maybe one or two at most), though usually they’ll happily answer and only get mad when the person starts seeming rude or keep asking the same question over and over as if the answers they got, explaining exactly why people like Geno, weren’t enough, while seeming to word things rudely themselves.

Yes, people should ignore trolls, but it’s sometimes hard to resist even if you’re aware of that...and it doesn’t help that plenty of rude people have come in there before so personally I don’t really blame anyone in there for being on-edge (except in the case of being rude to someone for not talking about Geno much I guess, like how you were since I don’t recall you being rude to anyone, and it tends to be off-topic a lot anyway but still related to Geno’s chances and stuff mostly) even if I do think they should be calm about things. The “on-edge” people are just a few of them though and they still don’t deserve to be treated as a laughing stock or cult or whatever bullcrap people have come up.

Geno will always be a strange phenomenon to me...

It's not just that he's a one-off, it's what he's a one-off to: A side character from a two decades old spin-off from a much more massive franchise that has a consistent cast, and who doesn't even legally belongs to that series.

Yet people have latched on to him due to a comment Sakurai made around Brawl's time.

That managed to get him a costume as DLC in 4, and then in Ultimate he's a Legendary Spirit and online profile icon. But outside of Smash... He rarely gets mentioned, even within the Mario fanbase, I'm pretty sure people speak more of Paper Mario characters and Fawful.

Geno has had fans before Brawl, and iirc Sakurai didn’t say anything about Geno until Smash 4. He said he wanted him in Brawl in that same column. People like Geno because they genuinely like him, not because Sakurai said something about him and now they have to push for him. Sakurai’s comments did give people more hope and make them more confident in Ultimate speculation, but they genuinely want him. Not much different from Phil Spencer giving Banjo-Kazooie fans more hope and enough faith to feel it worthwhile speaking up and campaigning.

There are other Mario characters people including Geno fans would like as well, but still. SMRPG has also become better known nowadays even if it’s still not near as big as other Mario games.

Also, he does legally belong to the Mario series, he just isn’t owned by Nintendo due to weird rights stuff; but he’s still exclusive to the series, even in Smash where he and Mallow have the mushroom icon. He’s not just a standard side-character, either, being a party member and important to the plot.

Regarding Zelda stuff, a lot of people just want a new, unique Zelda character as a fighter, not caring about the series’ representation elsewhere when it comes to fighters. Most of these people also each want a specific character or multiple; for me, I’d really like Skull Kid and Midna.

 

[Cosmic77]

Nintendo has very little to gain by purchasing Geno unless they genuinely have plans for a SMRPG sequel. Smash would likely be their only use for the character.

I don't know how much SE would have them pay for him, but it'd honestly be way simpler to just give SE a cut of the sales if Geno were a DLC character.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Eh, I did that meme post-Link's Awakening event and no new Zelda spirits have been added, but you'd be right in the Mii costumes department.

It still is outdated with Byleth bringing a stage, some spirits and tracks, admittedly, but overall, Zelda is represented fine imo. It's kinda like how Alpharad puts it: FE is more focused on character investment and interactions, Zelda is more based around items and exploration. So it having the second most items, stages and Assist Trophies seems well enough.

Ehhhhhhh hard disagree, I may not be too invested about Zelda Newcomer arguments as most, but this gives off "Metroid only having Samus is very good because the games are about isolation" vibes

 

[SKX31]

Also Sakurai himself stated that the Arms character would be quite difficult to balance, so there's that.

That's fully understandable - one potential pitfall with an ARMS character is that the super-long arms might encourage camping. I'm not only talking "Stand on the edge and camp" camping, but also "monopolize center stage" camping. Of course, I'm saying this with an asterisk since it depends on the start-up / end lag of attacks.

A minor correction - Sakurai's comment on Geno was made during Smash 4's DLC; it was about both Brawl and Smash 4.

Part of the problem is that he, like all of the characters who originated in Super Mario RPG, is owned by Square-Enix, meaning that Smash Bros. (or the occasional Mario spin-off that Square-Enix is involved with, like Mario Sports Mix) is his only reasonable chance to appear unless SE sells the rights for those characters to Nintendo. Other Mario RPGs don't have that kind of rights issue.

Yeah, I'd be more confident with Geno's chances if he already appeared (or is scheduled to) in other Mario spin off games. Does not disqualify the character, of course, but it would signal concrete interest from both parties involved.

 

[Guynamednelson]

was because other characters were prioritized

It helps that fans were prioritizing other characters as well. The NPCs that people wished weren't non-playable? They were a boss and part of an FS. (and I probably shouldn't use WERE for that FS character)

 

[MeteoRain]

Eh, I did that meme post-Link's Awakening event and no new Zelda spirits have been added, but you'd be right in the Mii costumes department.

It still is outdated with Byleth bringing a stage, some spirits and tracks, admittedly, but overall, Zelda is represented fine imo. It's kinda like how Alpharad puts it: FE is more focused on character investment and interactions, Zelda is more based around items and exploration. So it having the second most items, stages and Assist Trophies seems well enough.

And yet the Links got copy pasted custom specials in Smash Wii U instead of using their various unique equipment. You know, the ones the games are all about.

I think people are just looking for answers they want here. And want to here is "This is the ultimate Smash. It's flawess. Sakurai or Nintendo do not do anything wrong. There's some deep meaning to everything they do."

Had it ever occurred to any of you, that maybe the only reason they don't add a new Zelda fighter is because they just don't feel like it?

Much like how they didn't feel like making another playable Metroid or DK character until the Smash fans were in a uproar about Ridley and Rool.

 

[Droodle]

I imagine he just assumed the post gave off the same energy as "Zelda is underrepped"

IMO, the problem is that Zelda isn't underrepped; it's just not diverse.

Yeah, Zelda is about the items; but there's no reason all 3 Link's can't be completely unique from each other in terms of arsenal. Adult Link is fine, Young Link should have gotten a moveset based on Majora's Mask, Toon Link could totally have Deku leaf and controlling the wind with Wind Waker. They all have enough differences to have completely unique items, but instead they stick with bombs/arrows/boomerangs.

It could stand to gain 1 more character, but the focus should be giving all the link's their own identity. They play differently, but that's mostly due to speed rather then there actual moveset. Remote bombs were super refreshing.