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Personally I don't get why Sylux is so popular with the developers and fanbase.
I think Weavel has more interesting story possiblities considering his backstory and connection to Samus.
Sylux's backstory involved the Galactic Federarion, who've mostly been used to go "Look how corrupt this government with military force is". Considering the Prime games have depicted GF as the good guys with little to no issues, Sylux is likely planned to expose their warcrimes or some **** to give Samus inner conflict, it also adds up with the future timeline considering what happens in Fusion
 

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There's only 25 days until what would have been E3. Expect new game info to be randomly dropped over the next few weeks.

Knowing how Nintendo were always the good little boy who waited until Christmas, we might see something on the 9th of June from them, even if not a direct. Perhaps the ARMS character?
 

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Weird as hell though it just.... appeared with a "Btw this is out in 2 months."


I'm cautiously optimistic about the game, and these are weird times that we're living in, but my curiosity is very peaked as to the sudden smokescreen reveal of "Oh yeah, btw here's this and it's coming out like, really soon." Forgive me if I'm a bit "Surprised, but bordering on worried" if it just got dropped on our heads with little fanfare and suddenly "Boom, it's out". That really hasn't been Nintendo's M.O. for a long, long time, and then they just.... "Boom, here it is, out soon." Corona could definitely play a part in its weird release but.... this obviously could have been revealed much earlier if it's out in literally 2 months.


You'd think they'd have revealed it back with their massive dump of new content/info back in April, can't even say it wasn't ready when the game barely is 2 months out from release. This just doesn't feel like how Nintendo releases games. Their small budget games sure, but not a freaking Mario game.


With a July release, I doubt it was meant to be at E3, but we had a Direct in March and it wasn't shown their either, despite most definitely being able to?


I legit feel worried, confused, but mostly worried.
I wouldn't be worried. I actually do think this was supposed to be a E3 reveal, unless there were ever plans for a full Nintendo Direct earlier this year.

If anything, a game as big as Paper Mario being casually revealed so close to release makes me think this E3 had something way bigger in store.
 

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If anything, a game as big as Paper Mario being casually revealed so close to release makes me think this E3 had something way bigger in store.
Either that or they just can't put a direct together right now and we'll be seeing shadow drops until the end of summer or until fall.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. How they reveal the smash character will probably be telling.
 

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I wouldn't be worried. I actually do think this was supposed to be a E3 reveal, unless there were ever plans for a full Nintendo Direct earlier this year.

If anything, a game as big as Paper Mario being casually revealed so close to release makes me think this E3 had something way bigger in store.
We know for a fact that Directs have been affected by COVID19 and that there have been reports Nintendo won't have a Direct, so can't understand this optimism in a huge Direct
 

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Rie did post an tweet regarding rumors how the ARMS rep might just be shadowdropped sometime on the 11th, 16th or between.

Though I still wonder if they'll announce an time when they'll be releasing it.
 

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We know for a fact that Directs have been affected by COVID19 and that there have been reports Nintendo won't have a Direct, so can't understand this optimism in a huge Direct
What are you talking about?

Never said we'd be getting a huge Direct, just that there were probably some other announcements that were bigger than Paper Mario. These Directs are usually prepared earlier in the year, so I don't think everything they orginally planned on showing us is getting pushed back to a later reveal.
 
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If there's gonna be another 2D Metroid , am betting on a Super Metroid remake. It's about time.
Ew, please no. Super Metroid is a near perfect game a remake would just detract from that. It’s still a beautiful game and one that’s very easy to go back to. Game Boy Metroid II on the other hand? A pain to play then, a pain to play now, so it deserved a remake.

No I think the new MercurySteam game is Metroid 5. Metroid: Samus Returns was great and I think Nintendo has seen the opportunity that is presented by having them as a partner with a higher budget on an HD Platform.
 

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If anything, a game as big as Paper Mario being casually revealed so close to release makes me think this E3 had something way bigger in store.
People have said this many times and it usually ends up just leading to disappointment. Case in point, when they did a mini Nintendo Direct a few weeks before E3, which had people saying "If they had to put THIS in a Mini Direct, they must have some CRAZY stuff coming in E3! That E3, we were treated to an amazing show including ten minutes of Reggie talking about Skylanders, trailers for games that already released in other regions like Xenoblade X, and the reveals of Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Metroid Prime Federation Force, and Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival.
 

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People have said this many times and it usually ends up just leading to disappointment. Case in point, when they did a mini Nintendo Direct a few weeks before E3, which had people saying "If they had to put THIS in a Mini Direct, they must have some CRAZY stuff coming in E3! That E3, we were treated to an amazing show including ten minutes of Reggie talking about Skylanders, trailers for games that already released in other regions like Xenoblade X, and the reveals of Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Metroid Prime Federation Force, and Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival.
Bruh, you can’t really compare the Wii U era to the Switch Era. Everything about the Wii U’s E3s were a disaster.
 

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People have said this many times and it usually ends up just leading to disappointment. Case in point, when they did a mini Nintendo Direct a few weeks before E3, which had people saying "If they had to put THIS in a Mini Direct, they must have some CRAZY stuff coming in E3! That E3, we were treated to an amazing show including ten minutes of Reggie talking about Skylanders, trailers for games that already released in other regions like Xenoblade X, and the reveals of Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Metroid Prime Federation Force, and Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival.
Okay, but aren't you hand-picking one of the most underwhelming E3s to emphasize your point? There have been times when Nintendo actually did have a lot of good stuff to announce.

I can understand wanting to keep your expectations in check, but why have a doom-and-gloom attitude when we literally just got a pretty notable reveal yesterday?
 
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Okay, but aren't you hand-picking one of the most underwhelming E3s to emphasize your point? There have been times when Nintendo actually did have a lot of good stuff to announce.

I can understand wanting to keep your expectations in check, but why have a doom-and-gloom attitude when we literally just got a pretty notable reveal yesterday.
Gribbo's not propagating a doom-and-gloom attitude here in the slightest, just cautious optimism. I think we can all agree to think twice before suspecting bigger fish, even though that's not entirely out of the question. If anything, this day and age is a more appropriate time than EVER to keep expectations modest regarding general game announcements, even in the face of Origami King's reveal yesterday.
 

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I think its safe to say that Nintendo doesn't always plan their game news and reveals very well. Regardless of COVID-19. Remember the Cranky Kong reveal? It's like they don't always know when, where, or how to show us something.
 

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Nintendo's not likely to do this, but man I'd love for announcements to have a rough schedule to them just so you'd have a somewhat specific time to look forward to every week for the next couple of months. Would be a little bit like the Smash Dojo days where even if what was revealed wasn't necessarily exiting to you, it still fell into a pretty enjoyable hype period.
 

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It'd be cool if we could get BotW 2 trailer at this E3. They did seem to have a cutscene ready, and that stuff is usually done later. They might have enough completed by now for a gameplay trailer.

...And admittingly, I really want to see if there are any awesome characters that Nintendo would possibly add as DLC in Smash. It'd be a shame if two BotW games go by and it still wasn't enough for a character.
 

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It'd be cool if we could get BotW 2 trailer at this E3. They did seem to have a cutscene ready, and that stuff is usually done later. They might have enough completed by now for a gameplay trailer.

...And admittingly, I really want to see if there are any awesome characters that Nintendo would possibly add as DLC in Smash. It'd be a shame if two BotW games go by and it still wasn't enough for a character.
I feel like BOTW needs to actually have good characters who show up for more than 15 minutes if we're going to talk getting a character in Smash, and actually have one that's more important than the others that doesn't just end up another version of the main trio. BOTW easily had some of the least developed and interesting side characters of the entire Zelda series, so they've got a LOT of work to do.
 

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What are you talking about?

Never said we'd be getting a huge Direct, just that there were probably some other announcements that were bigger than Paper Mario. These Directs are usually prepared earlier in the year, so I don't think everything they orginally planned on showing us is getting pushed back to a later reveal.
I looked back and I apologize, I misunderstood your post as taking Paper Mario as an appetizer for what's in store for saying that this is building up hype for the next Direct, which we already know won't be for months
 

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I looked back and I apologize, I misunderstood your post as taking Paper Mario as an appetizer for what's in store for saying that this is building up hype for the next Direct, which we already know won't be for months
We honestly don't have any idea when the next direct is.
 

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I feel like BOTW needs to actually have good characters who show up for more than 15 minutes if we're going to talk getting a character in Smash, and actually have one that's more important than the others that doesn't just end up another version of the main trio. BOTW easily had some of the least developed and interesting side characters of the entire Zelda series, so they've got a LOT of work to do.
I disagree. Not all of the characters hit home for me, but I do feel like they did a really good job getting the player to sympathize with the characters despite their brief appearances. Talking to the NPCs and learning more about what these characters were like helps a lot, and that's part of the reason why Urbosa and Mipha were so well received.

As for one being more important than the others, maybe that will matter to Nintendo, maybe it won't. Sakurai doesn't seem to care though, and we have strong evidence for that now that we know Byleth wasn't his first choice.
 

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Still, a remake of a remake seems wholly unnecessary. Port the game over to the Switch sure(Or better yet, GBA VC), but I'd rather have new Metroid titles than have the series stuck in a perpetual hell like Star Fox is.
I should point out:

I'm not too sure how much effect Miyamoto had on the Paper Mario series, beyond telling the Color Splash team this:

What do you think of feedback saying that (despite Toads having different personalities) we miss the variety in NPC characters from the old games? Why haven’t some of the old NPCs from the early Paper Mario games ever returned?
Mario is not an IP that I created. From the position of someone borrowing the IP, I think it’s only natural to show respect to the person who created it, and let that feeling of respect guide us. So when Miyamoto-san, the father of Mario, asks us “could you make a game with only characters from the Mario family?”, I think it’s only natural for us to give it our best shot.
In other words, we are not currently thinking about returning to old NPCs.
But Miyamoto does have a certain tendency to view gameplay (and new mechanics - or gimmicks if one is less charitable) as more important than the characters - and characters in service to the gameplay. Like "Playable character", "Bad dude", "Ally" etc. Characters aren't that important in games like the main Super Mario games or Star Fox 64 (Lylat Wars in EU) - and that's where that approach works. But as you noted, when a series is stuck in perpetual hell or when games are heavily associated with characters like the first three Paper Mario games... yeah that approach becomes a problem because it risks stagnation. I just feel Miyamoto's too inflexible with that, but it's difficult to criticize when that approach built a massive video game company.

Miyamoto's also a VIP within Nintendo, and his effect within Nintendo's internal culture is massive. As shown by the answer (for good and ill).
 

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Personally I don't get why Sylux is so popular with the developers and fanbase.
I think Weavel has more interesting story possiblities considering his backstory and connection to Samus.
I think he just has a natural cool factor. Though like I said, I also like Weavel and Spire a lot too. Both on their cool factor and their backstories. We also know Sylux has a grudge against the feds and Samus, but hasn't gone in detail yet.

I liked Spire a lot since his motivations, while somewhat selfish, are understandable and aren't evil, he just wants to find his people, if any are left.
 

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This might seem rough but I feel like Miyamoto was a genius for his time but his creative well has run dry. Games have evolved but he hasn't. He still sees them as toys. So he'll go on stage waggle a Wii remote making goofy music and think that's what people want.
 

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This might seem rough but I feel like Miyamoto was a genius for his time but his creative well has run dry. Games have evolved but he hasn't. He still sees them as toys. So he'll go on stage waggle a Wii remote making goofy music and think that's what people want.
He'll never innovate anymore the medium but I'm certain many of the fantastic elements of design and polish Nintendo games have derive from his work mentality and creativity. Yes, he'll never push videogames towards a story-heavy character-driven thematic-deep project, sure. But I think he's behind many little adjustments and user-friendly decisions many Nintendo games have.
He's a supervisor in fact, I believe he has a say in basically everything Nintendo produces and his experience and mindset do help make Nintendo games stand out in their peculiar style and level of quality.
It is similar to Aonuma in a way, he's another genius of the medium who got stuck in his way of making games, so that Zelda needed Fujibayashi to make the next step. Still, I think that without Aonuma having a supervisor role in the creation of the game, Breath of the Wild probably could've had a couple of problems here and there that would've stopped it from becoming the behemoth of masterful design which is considered now.
They both took a step back and let their pupils continue to evolve and adapt to the new, but to dismiss their gravity and importance to the point of thinking they're detrimental is a little direspectful imho.
 

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If you had to add another generic enemy (or something equally insignificant), what would you choose?

I personally think a BoTW Guardian would be a very fun character. It's absolutely not the next Zelda rep in line, and it shouldn't be, but it'd be cool in the bizzaro timeline where it happens. It's body shape alone would be really unique, it might even be heavier than Boswer, and they you factor in all the ancient Sheikah stuff and you have a really unique character.
 

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Piranha Plant was great since it's such a unique character, so I would go for another goon which plays like no other character could.

A Guardian Scout would be cool in fact (one of the smaller ones, with maybe the overworld guardians as the final smash).
 

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If you had to add another generic enemy (or something equally insignificant), what would you choose?

I personally think a BoTW Guardian would be a very fun character. It's absolutely not the next Zelda rep in line, and it shouldn't be, but it'd be cool in the bizzaro timeline where it happens. It's body shape alone would be really unique, it might even be heavier than Boswer, and they you factor in all the ancient Sheikah stuff and you have a really unique character.
Mara.

I kinda want to say Boo, just because I think a ghost could be fun, but I want something other than Mario. Knuckle Joe would be great, basically being a faster and smaller Ryu.

I also considered a Metool because they're super iconic and charming, but a hyper-defense projectile character with poor damage output doesn't really sound that fun.
 
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(Prepares for people to say Bandana Dee)

Anyways, maybe Goomba Tower?
I asked people for generic enemies, not main characters.

a goomba tower would be neat. Having a character who is technically 3+ characters would be unique, especially in the way a Goomba would do it. Maybe you could choose how many goombas you have, making you more powerful but with a much bigger hitbox?
 

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We got a Joker video, though.


Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean by that.
you think we'll get another digest video announced in advance like this?

like it's announced in advance and without a direct like Robin/Lucina but includes a breakdown of the moves after the trailer and any other new content, like here with Joker
 

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Piranha Plant was great since it's such a unique character, so I would go for another goon which plays like no other character could.

A Guardian Scout would be cool in fact (one of the smaller ones, with maybe the overworld guardians as the final smash).
I think a proper guardian would work fine for a character. Just make it smaller, maybe a bit taller and wider than Ridley. As long at it's bigger and than link ,it should feel right.
Mara.

I kinda want to say Boo, just because I think a ghost could be fun, but I want something other than Mario. Knuckle Joe would be great, basically being a faster-smaller Ryu.

I also considered a Metool because they're super iconic and charming, but a hyper-defense projectile character with poor damage output doesn't really sound that fun.
is that what Metools have always been called? I remember a different name for them.

I think all of these would work really nicely, especially Boo!
 

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I always figured a Zeta Metroid would be a good mook pick. Metroids are their series' namesakes afterall, and I think Zeta forms have a cool design that would be really easy to incorporate in Smash.

I think a proper guardian would work fine for a character. Just make it smaller, maybe a bit taller and wider than Ridley. As long at it's bigger and than link ,it should feel right.
Scouts would definitely then the roaming Stalkers. They're already around the right size, and they have more moveset potential thanks to their ability to wield weapons and shields on top of lasers like their overworld counterparts.

Its robotic movements will also help set it apart from our other weapon master in Smash.
 

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is that what Metools have always been called? I remember a different name for them!
I believe early english materials called them Mets, but I could be wrong. Alternatively, it's a Berenstein/Berenstain thing where a super common and subtle misunderstanding creates strong memories of something false being true? I have memories of calling them both names, so I actually had to google their proper names first, aha.
 
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