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Swamp Sensei

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Heck, Star Fox didn't get any new music despite having two new games since Smash 4.
Star Fox got three new tracks in Ultimate.

All from Zero.

And they chose Sector Omega, otherwise known as the best theme from Star Fox Zero. :4roy:
 

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There was once a day and age where I unironically supported Count Bleck for Smash.
I remember, back when Ultimate was leaking, there were rumors that Count Bleck was going to be a boss. I was too busy being hyped about Marx, but I thought it was cool. Unfortunately it never happened, but I'd be down if it did, or if he was made playable.
 

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They were all ripped from the game (something they need to do less of)
I presume this is because getting remixes is cooler but they also take more resources to make. I'd rather keep getting lots of direct rips with the remixes because the alternative, realistically, is just remixes with less rips which would bring down the number of available tracks.
 

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I still need to play a Paper Mario game, lol.

Hopefully I manage to find Super Paper Mario somewhere in my island (Two Thousand Year Door isn't available anywhere).
If you want to play Two Thousand Year Door, it's not too hard to "legally purchase" it on Wii U. All it takes is a guide to read online and some basic technical know how.
 

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I mean remixes. They were all ripped from the game (something they need to do less of)
But why? The majority of Smash's remixes are beautiful, I'm not gonna deny that, but sometimes it's fun just being able to duke it out to the original tune. A lot of original tracks from their source games were added unaltered even as far back in Brawl, and they sounded no less fantastic for it.
 

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I presume this is because getting remixes is cooler but they also take more resources to make. I'd rather keep getting lots of direct rips with the remixes because the alternative, realistically, is just remixes with less rips which would bring down the number of available tracks.
The composers were also all given free reign to remix what they wanted and they really gravitated towards Castlevania and Mega Man
 

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A bit of an aside, but I feel one of the problems with Smash nowadays is there are too many series. Its happened in both Smash 4 and Ultimate that some series get pushed to the side as they make content for the newer series or for ones they want to work on. Heck, Star Fox didn't get any new music despite having two new games since Smash 4. I feel like they are stretched too thin to try and give each series its fair shake. It's something I think they should address in the next game. Shrink down the number of series and stay focused rather than adding as much as they can.
That's another reason why I think it's bad to put so much focus to adding more and more new IPs. It gets harder and harder to show some love to the existing franchises.

WarioWare got it pretty bad, which is a real shame because it has some really good tracks. Xenoblade was sort of neglected too, albeit not nearly as bad as Wario.
 

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While Donkey Kong got treated better this time around, the fact we didn't see any Tropical freeze music added is a crime.
 

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I still maintain Final Fantasy missed out on some of the best music, just from Final Fantasy VII.

Like, we get Bombing Mission in Cloud’s trailer, but not in Smash? No J.E.N.O.V.A? No One-Winged Angel?

Ugh. Would have been the coolest jams to fight to.
 
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I still maintain Final Fantasy missed out on some of the best music, just from Final Fantasy VII.

Like, we get Bombing Mission in Cloud’s trailer, but not in Smash? No J.E.N.O.V.A? No One-Winged Angel?

Ugh. Would have been the coolest jams to fight to.
Don't forget the iconic Chocobo theme for the funny matches.
 

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I still maintain Final Fantasy missed out on some of the best music, just from Final Fantasy VII.

Like, we get Bombing Mission in Cloud’s trailer, but not in Smash? No J.E.N.O.V.A? No One-Winged Angel?

Ugh. Would have been the coolest jams to fight to.
It's sad thinking we only got 2 tracks from VII and even sadder if you look at the whole series.
 

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I still maintain Final Fantasy missed out on some of the best music, just from Final Fantasy VII.

Like, we get Bombing Mission in Cloud’s trailer, but not in Smash? No J.E.N.O.V.A? No One-Winged Angel?

Ugh. Would have been the coolest jams to fight to.
Indeed. I get that it's a lot of money to license those, but it'd have been nice.
 

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There's a few times where I felt porting the original song would have been better than the remix we got. The title theme to The Legend of Zelda TriForce Heroes is awesome! The remix in Smash is... underwhelming.
 

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I still maintain Final Fantasy missed out on some of the best music, just from Final Fantasy VII.

Like, we get Bombing Mission in Cloud’s trailer, but not in Smash? No J.E.N.O.V.A? No One-Winged Angel?

Ugh. Would have been the coolest jams to fight to.
At least Cloud was a veteran from one previous game a few years prior. Mr. Game & Watch, though? Perfect attendance since Melee, and he still only has Flat Zone 1 and 2. No Game & Watch Gallery music or anything, when we could be listening to bangers like these:


Game and Watch Gallery
Octopus
Manhole
Oil Panic
Fire
Title Theme (Game and Watch Gallery)


Game and Watch Gallery 2
Parachute
Helmet Level Medley
Chef

Vermin (original)

Game and Watch Gallery 3
Donkey Kong Jr. Medley (Game and Watch Gallery 3)
Mario Bros. (Game and Watch Gallery 3)


Game and Watch Gallery 4
Rainshower
 

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Considering how much we talk about parties, I'm starting to think this really is a party game.
 

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Indeed. I get that it's a lot of money to license those, but it'd have been nice.
Oof, I can imagine trying to get those would have been pricey. But that’s the way the cookie crumbles I guess.

I’m too much of a bum to try modding music into Smash, otherwise I would have done it already.

Speaking of being a bum, I’ve never played Final Fantasy VI. I’ve played X though, and there are some bangers in that too.

I should probably play VI.
 

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At least Cloud was a veteran from one previous game a few years prior. Mr. Game & Watch, though? Perfect attendance since Melee, and he still only has Flat Zone 1 and 2. No Game & Watch Gallery music or anything, when we could be listening to bangers like these:


Game and Watch Gallery
Octopus
Manhole
Oil Panic
Fire
Title Theme (Game and Watch Gallery)


Game and Watch Gallery 2
Parachute
Helmet Level Medley
Chef

Vermin (original)

Game and Watch Gallery 3
Donkey Kong Jr. Medley (Game and Watch Gallery 3)
Mario Bros. (Game and Watch Gallery 3)


Game and Watch Gallery 4
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I absolutely LOVED the Game and Watch Gallery games as a kid! That's the only reason I recognized Mr. Game and Watch in Melee.
Those music tracks could definitely be used to give Game and Watch more music. Fire was a... fire track in Game and Watch Gallery 4.

Also, there's a supposed video leak of Tails in Smash. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's complete and utter horse****. The model's shadows are way to heavy for Ultimate's art style.
 

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There's a few times where I felt porting the original song would have been better than the remix we got. The title theme to The Legend of Zelda TriForce Heroes is awesome! The remix in Smash is... underwhelming.
For me...

WHERE ARE THE CHICKAs. They really should have put the original Molgera in. Or really, we should have gotten the beast remix from Hyrule Warriors (or anything from that game, like the Dorf'd look)

Also, there's a supposed video leak of Tails in Smash. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's complete and utter horse****. The model's shadows are way to heavy for Ultimate's art style.
Yeah, I just saw that in his thread. Most definitely fake. Kinda bummed since Tails is my #2 most wanted, but there's no way that's real. Seriously, you 'convieniently' cover the camera when you select him? And you also 'convieniently' have a build which has all of the DLC except this mysterious ARMS character so you don't have to worry about that either?

But what is it with people (gaming news sites or youtubers) reporting on every other fake leak like it's gospel now? I don't remember every single plausible 4chan leak being reported all over in the Sm4sh days, but now it's all over? Do we need clickbait revenue that bad now?

EDIT: here's the stuff if you haven't seen:
This is most likely fake, (see 2;10 for the video) but my heart nearly couldn't take it!
People like to mess with us fans ^^;;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ9ezULj0AQ
 
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For me...

WHERE ARE THE CHICKAs. They really should have put the original Molgera in. Or really, we should have gotten the beast remix from Hyrule Warriors (or anything from that game, like the Dorf'd look)


Yeah, I just saw that in his thread. Most definitely fake. Kinda bummed since Tails is my #2 most wanted, but there's no way that's real. Seriously, you 'convieniently' cover the camera when you select him? And you also 'convieniently' have a build which has all of the DLC except this mysterious ARMS character so you don't have to worry about that either?

But what is it with people (gaming news sites or youtubers) reporting on every other fake leak like it's gospel now? I don't remember every single plausible 4chan leak being reported all over in the Sm4sh days, but now it's all over? Do we need clickbait revenue that bad now?
Artsy Omni's fake Rayman leak fooled us all, and it was a much higher quality video.
But a random medium quality pic of Ken with a thumbs up was real.
 

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I’ve never played Final Fantasy VI. I’ve played X though, and there are some bangers in that too.

I should probably play VI.
Seriously, I recommend you play it. It's my favourite Final Fantasy and Uematsu got the most out of the SNES soundchip that game.
 

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Picture of the Day, and it's another "LONG LIVE THE KING" lookin' deal.
Ha, I love that pose. I managed to get something like that in Brawl when I was playing around with the screenshot mode.
SSBB-Ganon.jpg

...man I miss lefty Link. And TP costumes for everyone.

But seriously, you can get some great shots in this game. I love all of the camera mode addons they added.
Speaking of, does anyone know a quick way I can get the pics off of my Switch and onto the computer? I assume it's all on a memory card, but I don't want to pull one out randomly and suddenly lose all of my data.
 

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At least Cloud was a veteran from one previous game a few years prior. Mr. Game & Watch, though? Perfect attendance since Melee, and he still only has Flat Zone 1 and 2. No Game & Watch Gallery music or anything, when we could be listening to bangers like these:


Game and Watch Gallery
Octopus
Manhole
Oil Panic
Fire
Title Theme (Game and Watch Gallery)


Game and Watch Gallery 2
Parachute
Helmet Level Medley
Chef

Vermin (original)

Game and Watch Gallery 3
Donkey Kong Jr. Medley (Game and Watch Gallery 3)
Mario Bros. (Game and Watch Gallery 3)


Game and Watch Gallery 4
Rainshower
Holy crap someone else who has played the Game and Watch Gallery games! Not often the series gets brought up....

Kinda hard to get back into them nowadays for me (kind lost interest in "high score" games a long time ago) but I have alot of nolstalgia for the games.
 
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Holy crap someone else who has played the Game and Watch Gallery games! Not often the series gets brought up....

Kinda hard to get back into them nowadays for me (kind lost interest in "high score" games a long time ago) but I have alot of nolstalgia for the games.
I love the Game & Watch gallery of games.

They were a great idea to preserve the classic titles while also adding a twist to them with the Mario reskins which were included.


Would love to see them get ported on Switch.
 

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Now that I think about it, if Waluigi is ever added in Smash as a playable player, it would be cool if they gave him standard attacks with boxing gloves as a neat little nod to the boxing game in G&W Gallery 4.
 

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Holy crap someone else who has played the Game and Watch Gallery games! Not often the series gets brought up....

Kinda hard to get back into them nowadays for me (kind lost interest in "high score" games a long time ago) but I have alot of nolstalgia for the games.
I've never been one to really get into score chasers but the amount of unlockables the Gallery games had always pushed me to keep on playing. It also helped that the modern versions of the games were really well done.
 

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bro who the **** CARES is someone is the protag or not
*looks at the roster*

Sakurai apparently.

Adding more content of most profitable media franchise and Nintendo's most popular franchise = More money.
Does it?

Adding characters from new franchises brings new fans to Smash.

Conversely, what Pokemon fan is like, "I wasn't going to play Smash. But now that there's a NINTH playable Pokemon, I guess I'm finally convinced!"

You ever kinda just want Nintendo to reveal everything at once?
Absolutely. When Capcom does it with SF5, a full season reveal is WAY more hype(and less stressful) than a single character every couple months.
 

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Okay, here's MY Nintendo pass:

6. Spring Man/Ribbon Girl
7. Captain Toad/Toadette
8. King Hippo
9. .Oh look at that, I'm all out of Nintendo characters I give a **** about.
10. ...
11. ...
 

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High key would trade FP2 for functional online with proper Netcode, better lobbies, WiFi/Ethernet indicators and all that
 

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Personally I just like seeing the less well-known characters get some time in the spotlight. This is the big Nintendo game, so I like seeing the smaller Nintendo series get some time in the spotlight. In other games, Meanwhile with stuff like the MVC series, which I also follow, I usually root for more obscure Capcom characters, like Gene. I sure as hell don't ask for Mario! That's why I'm pretty indifferent to having characters like Dante in Smash. He may not have anything in this game, but he sure as hell has a lot of stuff in other crossover games. And I'm sure when they make The City of Cincinnati Vs Capcom, he'll be there again. But for smaller characters like, say, Isaac who I mentioned earlier, this is really their only chance to show up in something unless they suddenly decide to make a new Golden Sun game, so it's a lot more exciting to see them in a prominent role again.
To go back to the big ice cream analogy, think of it like this. You waited in line with a big group of people to get ice cream, but just as you get to the front of the line, the guy says they're out of ice cream and offers you a mint as compensation.
The next day, you go back there, there's fewer people there, but as you approach the front of the line, some guy walks up to you and asks you to give him your spot because already got something and he hasn't. Now you know this guy, and his dad owns a pretty big ice cream parlor that you can't afford. You can even smell ice cream in his breath when he talks to you, and he starts calling you niche and irrelevant and undeserving and you're just left thinking "what the **** are you talking about? I just want to get ice cream!"
First party characters don't just mean yet another Fire Emblem swordsman or a generic mook wearing a hat, there's plenty of cool stuff if you keep an open mind. And I'm not trying to rag on third parties either. Snake and Cloud are two of my favorite characters in this game! It's just that Ultimate kinda slacked in the smaller Nintendo series department. ARMS is only the second new Nintendo IP in this game, when every other game besides Melee added more new ones than the last. I don't see why it's so unreasonable.
I cannot even begin to describe how disappointed I am in the fact that after clicking 'beeg duckpost' that I was not met with a huge picture of a duck.


Also yeah I'd much rather know what the gell's on the entire pass, "But... muh surprise... muh hype..." People weren't surprised at all to see Spawn in MK11 when we finally saw gameplay, but people were still just as excited to see him despite knowing him for like 6 months, so there's nothing to lose in terms of excitement, it just convinces people into buying instead of waiting a year or so
 
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