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Bayonetta's not broken anymore and doesn't have Witch Time, AFB/Heel Slide or a move similair enough to Witch Twist. Sakurai mentioned having difficulty balancing the ARMS character, so clearly balance comes after choosing the character
Letting the wrestler do wrestling moves isn't exactly a huge deviation
Well they did a pretty good job at balancing Bayonetta. I imagine he would definitely have his combos but they would have to be limited, just like Bayonetta. You said "...so what amounts to a neutered moveset compared to MVC might not be so good". Unless if I''m misinterpreting your statement, you said that Dante's limited moveset would look inferior to his moveset in MVC or look bad beside it. The difference is MVC is a full-fledged fighting game based on combos, which is very different from Smash. So I don't see why his powers in MVC would matter to Smash. They are fundamentally different games in terms of the combat system.
Not to mention Dante having like 50 special moves was his gimmick in MvC, Smash would obviously give him something else
*Missed 3H for some reason.*
Should've clarified that part too: Palutena's very direct and agressive in her playstyle (Ahri's Fox Fire works a lot like Auto Aim and her Spirit Rush is used very similarly like Palu's Warp, at least how pros like Nairo use Warp as a surprise movement option) - as well as a heavy combo-oriented style. Rosalina uses a familiar (Luma - Ahri has her Orb of Deception) that she can send out (Ahri can also send out hers). And while Rosa's a largely defensive character has several offensive options too. That's what I meant by trickery - Rosa gets a lot of kills by surprising opponents with one of her disjointed hitboxes and / or powerful Smashes. Aka. playing mind games. Not the best example, I know.
These characters could be a challenge, I wouldn't deny that. But we don't know if that would be the case.
Well, there's also Lucario's aura mechanic not existing in any Pokemon game. Quite a few of the Final Smashes are completely orginal as well.
The conversation on Ahri piqued my interest so I decided to look into her a little bit, and she seems like she'd be pretty interesting. She has a passive ability that makes her move faster if she hits a single opponent twice in rapid succession with her Special Moves. As for her Special Moves, I feel like they'd work like this:
Call me stubborn but again, the fact ATs can be hit and KO-ed but Pokeball summon can't tells me that they do indeed restrict Smash in some ways. While you're right about Aura, Lucario never had a defined marketable gimmick which I feel is the main concern, it's why I never saw Lycanroc's supposed form change mechanic as a possibility, as it'd go against the marketed defining feature
Ash Greninja is literally part of the games now, I fail to see the significance
The combos being limited isn't the problem. I'm just worried they will go the Bayonetta route and just give him his Sword and Guns and call it a day. Dante has alot of Variety both in his own games (DMC3 onwards especially) and MVC3 and MVCI, and it would be a shame if they threw it away in the Biggest Fighting game of all time
That is true. though i don't know if Balancing always comes after choosing a Character. i think for certain characters just the idea of their abilities being put into Smash could too unbalanced to add at the current moment and could affect chances. this just seems like making sure the Range of ARMS characters aren't too broken and Damage values.
That's true. But i just want Dante to be as interesting as he could be, and because so many people talk about how interesting he is from a moveset standpoint, for Dante to not use alot of that potential might disappoint some people.
Basically this, yes. Ahri is considered a Burst Mage in League, meaning you're often looking to combo one spell into another. You could also incorporate some MOBA elements like cooldowns or other LoL elements like the Summoner Spells. And the best part is that since Ahri is a relatively simple character, her kit would not be disrupted by it.
Byleth can't use the house leader weapons in Three Houses. Pokemon Trainer can't choose all three starters. Smash takes liberties sometimes.
Sakurai has never gone on record in saying this, but I believe Lucario's Aura mechanic is inspired by the Justified ability. In the games, the ability raises your Attack stat when hit with a Dark Type attack.
No but they can acquire them all in Pokémon Yellow, or via trading.
Seeing as Sakurai already made a statement regarding having difficulty balancing the ARMS character 3 months before release, it's safe to say balance isn't considered until late in development
Justified didn't exist at that point
Never tried it for myself but afaik Byleth can use the house leader relics, which he/she can't do is being able to use the three weapons in the same route.
Pokeball Summons were also made way before AT's. Also, yes, you can hit away Chansey literally as early as Smash 64. It's been done before(albeit, stage hazard can be hit way in Smash 64, but not her Pokeball this time. Melee changes it so you can hit away Chansey, but she's only a Pokeball this time).
Ehhhhh, I personally wouldn't really like it. Base Sword and Shield were pretty meh games to me, and while the DLC might be better, I'm not counting on it. As for Urshifu itself, I'd honestly prefer getting a new Pokémon that doesn't have too much of a humanoid physique. Incineroar's already more than enough for the "Pokémon that has a fighting style and physique that might as well be a human" type.Alright so I proposed the idea of a stance character awhile back, but now that I think about it Urshifu is another possible candidate for that archetype that might have a shot if Nintendo really wants to advertise for Pokemon Sword & Shield Isle of Armor DLC by including it's mascot Pokemon.
Essentially he's a Kung-Fu bear with 2 different fighting styles, one focusing on hard hitting sting strikes and one on flowing rapid jabs. Although not how it exactly works in the game, perhaps in Smash he could change his fighting style on the fly with a down special or something of the like.
Not too fond of his design or the idea of a promotional DLC character, but I still think their is a possibly for him to be included and have an interesting mechanic. What do y'all think?
76: Alright, I kinda like her.
Yeah those were taken down too last year, but one of the channels that leaked music pre-Ultimate’s release also had a BtFM “Smash” remix that was taken down alongside a B-K Final Battle remix before the channel just got terminated (I believe the channel was 31 Horas Music, who have been back up and running since sometime not too long after their termination, I think; I believe the Megalovania remix was on a different channel that uploaded leaks).
TPC is technically Game Freak. All The Pokemon Company is is a joint venture of Creatures, Game Freak, and Nintendo with Nintendo being the controlling stake. So technically any business with TPC is business with Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures.
Ah. I thought they were separated. That makes sense.
Waiting for a guest appearance on WWE 2021 or whatever it's called now.
Pokemon Yellow and you can trade for them.
Hm...I guess Hidden Abilities were a Gen 5 thing then (and/or Lucario didn't have one because it didn't exist).
I think these are all the fightable ones in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (based on what I remember while looking at a list):
This is true: do remember that a main reason why PSASBR's balance is broken is since you can only kill with meter-costing Supers (which meant kill-confirms became the most important thing a character could have - you don't want to waste that meter you built up and give your opponent the ball) and characters who have effective combos could more easily get that meter. Or land KOs.
So your reaction was basically:
I wouldn't be worried. With a huge arsenal, you really think they would fill all smash attacks and special moves using just his guns and swords? I wouldn't worry. You said it yourself. It would be a shame if they threw away that potential. Thankfully Sakurai tries his best to make the character feel true to the game and that includes giving the characters their signature abilities and weapons.
Sakurai: " All right so, no shiny alt for Incineroar... what about a Big the Cat alt then? "
Hey, not all alts are bad, clearly. XDSakurai: " All right so, no shiny alt for Incineroar... what about a Big the Cat alt then? "
The Pokemon Company:
Well, I wouldn't be so sure about Dante having more than the Rebellion and his guns if he makes it. I mean, Bayonetta also can use multiple weapons in her games, Joker can use any persona in his games... Granted, having an enormous arsenal of weapons is part of Dante's appeal, it's a characteristic more present with Dante than with Bayonetta, that's for sure. But I'm still expecting Dante with his sword and his guns, not much more.
Could be both. I’m sure they have a board or whatever that makes decisions and they all have to approve of their individual departments or something. Creatures is a good guess though since we’ve gotten word from Sakurai about how easy Nintendo and Game Freak were to work with but Creatures is always in the dark. They’re a lot smaller so I’m sure they’re not so easy to sway as Nintendo and Game Freak.
Incineroar actually does have his Shiny form as a pallet swap (it's the white and red one). It just doesn't look very good.
I don't get it.So your reaction was basically:
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Only weapon I would like for Dante to have that isn't Rebellion and Ebony & Ivory is the motorcycle weapon he uses in DMC V as his forward smash. He just slams the opponent with a motorcycle.
Well, 2K21 isn't happening, so we'll see what 2K has planned for the next WWE game I guess.
Aside from Ahri, the lack of unexpected characters in this pretty much makes this feel rather meh. I'd much rather have 1/3 of the Pass be characters the Smash community talks about than 5/6.
Ack, explaining then (should've edited the image to make it clearer):
For the best. Considering how much of an absolute trainwreck WWE 2K20's dev cycle (and release) was.
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