Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Calamitas]

Ack, explaining then (should've edited the image to make it clearer):

Except for Min Min I guess you'd be enraged at that Pass (especially if you bought it beforehand). Enough to set up that scenario intentionally in Training Mode - with one of the five DLC characters you said "No" to on the recieving end.

Ah. Well, I suppose that's close enough. But I'm not buying the pass until we learn of more fighters, so there's less of a chance that I waste my money.

 

[I.D.]

Since we are on the subject of Video takedowns, there is one that still concerns me. The KOS-MOS Mod takedown. Did they ever find evidence of False-Flagging? or if not False-flagging, could it have been just Nintendo automated systems or was it deliberately targeted. That video takedown still is weird till this day

It doesn't seem to have been an automated takedown. This is because Youtube uses a system called Content ID for their automated takedowns that only users and legal entities that meet certain criteria can apply for (such as Nintendo), and when a takedown is done through the system the video uploader is informed of it in the email they receive, which did not happen for that mod video in particular.

Spoiler: Proof

The most convincing explanation I've heard of what happened is that a group of people or someone with multiple accounts could have mass reported the video to Nintendo to bait them into removing it.

When Nintendo takes down stuff, it translates to "Nintendo of America takes down stuff". I have yet to see an instance where a video is taken down by "Nintendo". That pretty much for me is a red flag that proves all of this to be bait.

Then you have not looked very hard. Youtube does allow users to use trade names for copyright takedowns, and Nintendo has done as much multiple times in the past:

Spoiler: Proof

https://gbatemp.net/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fgyazo.com%2Fb8f4cfb430210fb8f67b2781996ba958.png&hash=da80c5b23213295d24fd6fc5af0064d7
https://twitter.com/zhugeex/status/748480036022456320
https://i.imgur.com/1UQQMup.png
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/krujpner2wkhmd6okca6.png
https://twitter.com/_styleszx2/status/957777937331257346

Fun fact: a certain famous speculator on this site has upgraded Kosmos from "character 4chan is trying to will into existence" to "future mii costume" since this happened. After all, you can't just have a Nintendo copyright strike mean nothing, since that is one of the pieces of evidence in favor of Geno

 

[Captain Shwampy]

I unironically prefer the big the cat coloring on incineroar over his actual.

It looks good on him.

 

[DanganZilla5]

Our next DLC character was revealed last night.

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Sakurai sucks. I wanted Dr. Luigi. How dare he put in a character I don't want.

/s

 

[MeteoRain]

At the same time, those examples given don't have a defined gimmick like Urshifu, who was hyped up for having 2 forms you need to choose between

Melee/Brawl Zelda. Pokemon Trainer.

It's basically just more than one moveset on the same character slot. Except Urshifu does it the unfun way that would be better spent to an actual fighting game character like Heihachi.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Melee/Brawl Zelda. Pokemon Trainer.

It's basically just more than one moveset on the same character slot. Except Urshifu does it the unfun way that would be better spent to a character like Heihachi.

That's not really what Gwen means. It's about who to evolve into that's the gimmick.

Those are just switching between already chosen characters where the gimmick is done differently.

Nobody's saying a stance system can't actually work if it was done. But it's not remotely accurate. Sure, the whole "take liberties" thing is a valid answer too, but understandably people want it more accurate.

Basically, Pokemon don't have a normal ability to switch to another evolution in the chain on a whim(that is, say Hitmonlee to Hitmonchan for another example) This was solely done in a manga at best with the Eeveelutions. Which obviously isn't canon. One series that does slide evolution, a good term for it, is Digimon. That specializes in switching among forms, even lower/higher forms too. It's not generally how Pokemon works. Zelda switching to Sheik and back is a very natural transformation that is its own gimmick. Pokemon Trainer is switching out multiple Pokemon for another. There's no evolution involved in the gimmick in this particular context(they did choose the full set of evolutions from Starter, First Evolution, Second Evolution, yes).

 

[Guynamednelson]

that would be better spent to an actual fighting game character like Heihachi.

I already think Urshifu's gonna feel like a model swap of a human martial artist. As if a model swap of a human wrestler wasn't enough for people who eat anything with a Poke Ball symbol up.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Sakurai sucks. I wanted Dr. Luigi. How dare he put in a character I don't want.

/s

You can't fool me with that /s. I know how you really feel.

That's not really what Gwen means. It's about who to evolve into that's the gimmick.

Those are just switching between already chosen characters where the gimmick is done differently.

Nobody's saying a stance system can't actually work if it was done. But it's not remotely accurate. Sure, the whole "take liberties" thing is a valid answer too, but understandably people want it more accurate.

Basically, Pokemon don't have a normal ability to switch to another evolution in the chain on a whim(that is, say Hitmonlee to Hitmonchan for another example) This was solely done in a manga at best with the Eeveelutions. Which obviously isn't canon. One series that does slide evolution, a good term for it, is Digimon. That specializes in switching among forms, even lower/higher forms too. It's not generally how Pokemon works. Zelda switching to Sheik and back is a very natural transformation that is its own gimmick. Pokemon Trainer is switching out multiple Pokemon for another. There's no evolution involved in the gimmick in this particular context(they did choose the full set of evolutions from Starter, First Evolution, Second Evolution, yes).

There are Pokémon that have changeable forms though, such as Oricorio, Deyoxis, Morpeko, Rotom, Kyruem, Necrosma, and so on, so it's not something unprecedented. It's just that Lycanroc and Urshifu can't form change. But since the forms are still the main thing the Pokémon have going on it'd be a waste not to include them in some way. It doesn't have to be a form switch (perhaps a similar gimmick is achieved with just multiple instances of the same Pokémon), but I don't think anyone would care if it was.

Also, I don't think Cutie Gwen was saying she disliked the idea, just that she didn't think The Pokémon Company would allow it.

 

[Cosmic77]

Setting aside TPC, I don't even know if Sakurai himself would go for some type of Pokemon that can unnaturally switch between its forms. While it's true that he often takes creative libraries with characters (especially Pokemon), something like form changing is a big deviation. Espeon and Flareon are two completely separate Pokemon who just so happen to evolve from Eevee. Urshifu's two forms are supposed to represent the fighting style the Trainer taught it as a cub. Having it swap forms at will is no small change.

In short, if he can't think of a good moveset for one form, and if the main appeal of the Pokemon is its multiple forms, I think he'd be more likely to just skip them altogether. A Pokemon like that deserves something like Zelda or PT, and I don't think Sakurai is giving us a two-for-one.

 

[Guynamednelson]

In short, if he can't think of a good moveset for one form, and if the main appeal of the Pokemon is its multiple forms, I think he'd be more likely to just skip them altogether. A Pokemon like that deserves something like Zelda or PT, and I don't think Sakurai is giving us a two-for-one.

In the Eeveelutions' case, they could just recycle a good chunk of animations among evolutions. Not all of them of course, since Jolteon couldn't use tail attacks and they might want them to have different specials.

Although I was also thinking that Eevee could have specials that are water/electric/fire-type moves, and using one of them gives you a weight/speed/attack boost for a while. Only one boost can be active and you have to wait for them to go away to have another.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You can't fool me with that /s. I know how you really feel.


There are Pokémon that have changeable forms though, such as Oricorio, Deyoxis, Morpeko, Rotom, Kyruem, Necrosma, and so on, so it's not something unprecedented. It's just that Lycanroc and Urshifu can't form change. But since the forms are still the main thing the Pokémon have going on it'd be a waste not to include them in some way. It doesn't have to be a form switch (perhaps a similar gimmick is achieved with just multiple instances of the same Pokémon), but I don't think anyone would care if it was.

Also, I don't think Cutie Gwen was saying she disliked the idea, just that she didn't think The Pokémon Company would allow it.

Changeable forms isn't what the Urshifu thing is about. Those are "can only evolve into this form" regardless. Not all forms can be accessed with a stance system in Pokemon. As I said before, this is more like Hitmonlee turning into Hitmonchan in how they work. It's not an actual Aegislash situation.

Not that I think it couldn't be done, cause it's actually a pretty cool idea, but it'd be better to just have a tag-in system with the other one similar to Pokemon Trainer. It's just a different animation but adheres closer to the games a bit more and doesn't feel shoehorned in. Just two partnering up to represent the latest DLC as characters. This fits within their lore and shows off more. The only thing keeping them from working together is that they're from different games at best.

 

[Goombaic]

I'd wait to learn what moves Urshifu can learn with either form before deciding whether or not a stance change gimmick would work with it. If the only difference is one move and different stats, then just making the forms alternates should be fine. The idle animations might be a problem, but I think there's probably a way to blend them together.

Personally, I don't want Urshifu. It's part of the 80% of Galar's dex that I don't like. I don't think it being DLC for the game makes it likelier either. That's starting to become as much of a meme as grass starter for Smash.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Although, perhaps it would be better to add Kubfu, and have him evolve into one of the Ushifu forms either depending on how you play, or just by letting them pick one when evolution is ready.

Evolving mid-battle would be even LESS game accurate than just letting him use both Urshifu's styles.

Pokemon Trainer can't choose all three starters.

You can in Pokemon Yellow. And you can still get all 3 of them in any game.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Personally, I don't want Urshifu. It's part of the 80% of Galar's dex that I don't like. I don't think it being DLC for the game makes it likelier either. That's starting to become as much of a meme as grass starter for Smash.

It would make Corrin look like a fan request.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Changeable forms isn't what the Urshifu thing is about. Those are "can only evolve into this form" regardless. Not all forms can be accessed with a stance system in Pokemon. As I said before, this is more like Hitmonlee turning into Hitmonchan in how they work. It's not an actual Aegislash situation.

Not that I think it couldn't be done, cause it's actually a pretty cool idea, but it'd be better to just have a tag-in system with the other one similar to Pokemon Trainer. It's just a different animation but adheres closer to the games a bit more and doesn't feel shoehorned in. Just two partnering up to represent the latest DLC as characters. This fits within their lore and shows off more. The only thing keeping them from working together is that they're from different games at best.

You know what? If they were treated like two kung-fu masters that tag-teamed you to death, that'd be pretty cool. Actually, it sounds cooler conceptually than form changing.

Also, Urshifu's forms aren't version exclusive. Lycanroc's forms are though. Except for it's Dusk Form, which is an event Pokémon. Honestly it's kind of a missed opportunity. I feel like they'd be more compelling if they switched with the day/night cycles like the creature they're based on. Or at least it would be if they didn't decide that something as simple as day/night cycles are just flavor of the month gimmicks. They'd just be in Midnight Form during certain story beats, and Midday Form pretty much everywhere else....

I'd wait to learn what moves Urshifu can learn with either form before deciding whether or not a stance change gimmick would work with it. If the only difference is one move and different stats, then just making the forms alternates should be fine. The idle animations might be a problem, but I think there's probably a way to blend them together.

Personally, I don't want Urshifu. It's part of the 80% of Galar's dex that I don't like. I don't think it being DLC for the game makes it likelier either. That's starting to become as much of a meme as grass starter for Smash.

They'll likely have very different roles in combat, and their fighting styles are probably based on real life fighting styles, so I wouldn't make them alternate costumes of each other.

I'm warming up to the idea, but I'd still say that there are way more interesting Pokémon out there just from Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield.

Evolving mid-battle would be even LESS game accurate than just letting him use both Urshifu's styles.

This is something the anime takes creative liberties with all the time. I'm pretty sure that's a non-issue.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You know what? If they were treated like two kung-fu masters that tag-teamed you to death, that'd be pretty cool. Actually, it sounds cooler conceptually than form changing.

Also, Urshifu's forms aren't version exclusive. Lycanroc's forms are though. Except for it's Dusk Form, which is an event Pokémon. Honestly it's kind of a missed opportunity. I feel like they'd be more compelling if they switched with the day/night cycles like the creature they're based on. Or at least it would be if they didn't decide that something as simple as day/night cycles are just flavor of the month gimmicks. They'd just be in Midnight Form during certain story beats, and Midday Form pretty much everywhere else....

Yeah, I said that poorly. I mean you can't get them in the same game normally. Derp.

I think keeping the idea they could team up, which is possible due to how they work(via a trade itself), it would fit them well. They both have their own unique style and all.

This is something the anime takes creative liberties with all the time. I'm pretty sure that's a non-issue.

It's going back to your old form that makes little sense for Pokemon. That's a Digimon thing. Pokemon only did that in a Manga, after all. Not that I dislike the idea or anything, but that should be reserved for an Eevee moveset if anything. It's their thing at best.

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Pokemon Trainer is an interesting take too. Yellow is literally based upon Ash's Adventures, even the way a lot of the Pokemon are gotten. Some are unavailable normally within the game just because of that.

The other neat thing is that PT's final team in Smash resembles Ash's somewhat. Squirtle and Charizard are a given, but Ivysaur actually is a fun coincidence. Bulbasaur nearly evolved in an episode, making it the only time(till XYZ, if I remember right) that an Ivysaur appeared in general. Either way, it was the last pick technically. Squirtle wasn't going to originally be in, as Blastoise was the first plan. This changed, of course, for balance purposes. If we din't get Ivysaur, it would've been Venusaur to keep a clear design style. All three full forms, or various forms to show 1st, 2nd, last. Incidentally PT is compared to Ash where Red is just... non-existent in Smash, oddly enough. At least Leaf got name-dropped during Ultimate's explanations of when PT returned, so that's nice.

 

[KillerCage]

I don't think that we're even getting a Pokemon at all, because of the Spirit Event.

You say this every time SwSh is brought up.

Here is my stance on spirits:
Depending on who gets to be the ARMS fighter, any spirits that were part of the base game now have a shot at being playable in Fighters' Pass 2.
This would include characters like Shantae, Rex & Pyra, and Rayman.
HOWEVER, any spirits that got added after the base game's release is out of the running.
This includes the Resident Evil cast, Cuphead, and the Astral Chain protagonists.
I feel this would also include the Sword & Shield Pokemon spirits.

 

[andree123]

Our next DLC character was revealed last night.

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We had found a new echo fighter.

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08ε - SPACE WORLD 99 PICHU

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't think that we're even getting a Pokemon at all, because of the Spirit Event.

Alternatively, they could have different plans than what Smash fans are banking on. While FP1 plans were starting alongside base game ones, these fighter plans for FP2 would've started after Pokemon Go was a worldwide phenomenon far bigger than any mainline game and/or TPC's constant promotion of Eevee has culminated in Let's Go and keeps continuing with its Gigantamax.

 

[PeridotGX]

We had found a new echo fighter.

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08ε - SPACE WORLD 99 PICHU

beta pichu being a Pikachu echo instead of a Pichu echo would be... something

 

[chocolatejr9]

Our next DLC character was revealed last night.

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It's so stupid, it's actually kinda creative.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's going back to your old form that makes little sense for Pokemon. That's a Digimon thing. Pokemon only did that in a Manga, after all. Not that I dislike the idea or anything, but that should be reserved for an Eevee moveset if anything. It's their thing at best.

Well yeah, the evolution in my proposed idea should be permanent for the rest of the match. Perhaps I should have specified that.

As for Eevee having this mechanic, I could see it working, though it would be a bit more difficult to implement due to the obvious Eeveelutions to go evolving by stone. Perhaps you could give Eevee a stance switch mechanic that has it switching its moves around, and once you use a certain stance for long enough, Eevee will evolve, shedding the stance switch for a more fleshed out version of the kit the stance gave you.

The issue then becomes though that since you can't add all of them (that would overcomplicate the character), you're going to disappoint the fans of the other Eeveelutions. You'll also upset the people who feel the roster is too oversaturated with Generation I Pokémon because now you've added four of them.

Here is my stance on spirits:
Depending on who gets to be the ARMS fighter, any spirits that were part of the base game now have a shot at being playable in Fighters' Pass 2.
This would include characters like Shantae, Rex & Pyra, and Rayman.
HOWEVER, any spirits that got added after the base game's release is out of the running.
This includes the Resident Evil cast, Cuphead, and the Astral Chain protagonists.
I feel this would also include the Sword & Shield Pokemon spirits.

I feel that this is true for the most part, but if there is an exception, Pokémon will be it, and it's not out of the realm of possibility for this to happen.

 

[SmashChu]

So A thought occurred to me, I want to gauge your guy's opinions

Do you think there are characters that have actual evidence for them being in? and not just, "this character is popular and requested"? I want to see what you guys think

No, I don't there is any evidence. I think there are some folks who think there is evidence, but nothing has been concrete. None of the DLC characters were figured out by any theories. At best, things leaked out (like the SNK trademark). If you want a good example, look at Papageno's channel from after Terry till Byleth. There were all these theories about characters but not a single one about Byleth. I think there is a rhyme and reason to the characters they pick so you could probably try and guess on that, but no, there isn't someone who has evidence.

You could say that first-party Switch characters should be our focus after Byleth and ARMS, but as much as I'd like that, that's jumping the gun. The same logic was used for F5 after four third-parties.

While I agree with the sentiment, I do want to argue the point a little. I think if you consider that Nintendo will put their best stuff out first, you can at least tell what the rest of it could look like. With Nintendo starting with ARMS, there is a possibility that FP Vol 2 could have more Nintendo characters. ARMS would be the creme de la creme of the Nintendo characters (decently successful new IP that everyone assumed would have a character in the base game). So it's very possible that Vol 2 us more Nintendo focused. This would also make some sense as it would like to be cheaper.

That said, it remains to be seen

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

ARMS would be the creme de la creme of the Nintendo characters (decently successful new IP that everyone assumed would have a character in the base game).

Ok, I love ARMS, but that sounds pretty depressing. It would definitely make for a very lukewarm DLC cycle if ARMS was its highlight. Though, perhaps Smash fans would still like it if it were picks like Isaac and Waluigi in that they have a visible fanbase, it's just not super huge like, say Dragon Quests' fanbase.

 

[Cosmic77]

Here is my stance on spirits:
Depending on who gets to be the ARMS fighter, any spirits that were part of the base game now have a shot at being playable in Fighters' Pass 2.
This would include characters like Shantae, Rex & Pyra, and Rayman.
HOWEVER, any spirits that got added after the base game's release is out of the running.
This includes the Resident Evil cast, Cuphead, and the Astral Chain protagonists.
I feel this would also include the Sword & Shield Pokemon spirits.

The SwSh Spirits just feel like a promotional tie-in with the games' release.

Even if they do something similar to ARMS and just announce that the next character will come from SwSh, that already kills half of the argument (We're not getting a SwSh rep because Spirits). The other half of the argument is that none of the Spirits can be playable, but even then, I don't think it's particularly hard to explain why those Pokemon shouldn't be ignored. The starters and Legendaries are the most iconic Pokemon for any Gen, but they're also a package deal. It's weird to completely exclude either if you're making SwSh Spirits, but it's even weirder to exclude one starter/Legendary but add the others (Zamazenta but no Zacian because its playable in the future).

Corviknight and Morpeko are a little harder to defend since they could've gone with Wooloo or Yamper instead to completely avoid complications, but it's still not a big deal. More than likely, we're gonna get at least one duplicate Spirit when the ARMS character is released. If that's the case, we should be able to see how hard they try to avoid duplicates; Will there be one? Two? Three or more?

Alternatively, they could have different plans than what Smash fans are banking on. While FP1 plans were starting alongside base game ones, these fighter plans for FP2 would've started after Pokemon Go was a worldwide phenomenon far bigger than any mainline game and/or TPC's constant promotion of Eevee has culminated in Let's Go and keeps continuing with its Gigantamax.

Pokemon Go should've had more than enough time for the first pass. However, should they happen to choose a Pokemon to promote Go, I don't think there's any Pokemon in particular who benefits from it. All Pokemon from Kanto to Unova/Kalos would work just fine.

I have my doubts though, mainly because I have no idea how they'd scrape together a bundle for Pokemon Go that includes a stage, some songs, and several Spirits.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The other half of the argument is that none of the Spirits can be playable, but even then, I don't think it's particularly hard to explain why those Pokemon shouldn't be ignored. The starters and Legendaries are the most iconic Pokemon for any Gen, but they're also a package deal. It's weird to completely exclude either if you're making SwSh Spirits, but it's even weirder to exclude one starter/Legendary but add the others (Zamazenta but no Zacian because its playable in the future).

It's also worth noting that the fully evolved starters (the most likely picks) are not Spirits.

If that's the case, we should be able to see how hard they try to avoid duplicates;

Answer: Not very. There are three Link Spirits, and a Chun-Li Spirit that evolves into another Chun-Li Spirit, among others.

Pokemon Go should've had more than enough time for the first pass. However, should they happen to choose a Pokemon to promote Go, I don't think there's any Pokemon in particular who benefits from it. All Pokemon from Kanto to Unova/Kalos would work just fine.

I have my doubts though, mainly because I have no idea how they'd scrape together a bundle for Pokemon Go that includes a stage, some songs, and several Spirits.

The only Pokémon that could really represent Pokémon Go! are Meltan and its evolution, Melmetal.

 

[Cosmic77]

While I agree with the sentiment, I do want to argue the point a little. I think if you consider that Nintendo will put their best stuff out first, you can at least tell what the rest of it could look like. With Nintendo starting with ARMS, there is a possibility that FP Vol 2 could have more Nintendo characters. ARMS would be the creme de la creme of the Nintendo characters (decently successful new IP that everyone assumed would have a character in the base game). So it's very possible that Vol 2 us more Nintendo focused. This would also make some sense as it would like to be cheaper.

That said, it remains to be seen

While I do agree that Nintendo usually puts their best stuff first, I don't think that necessarily limits us to F6.

I'd wait until F9. If we don't have anything by then that exceeds the reaction to Spring Man, then that's when I'd start preparing myself for no more "big" reveals.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Pokemon Go should've had more than enough time for the first pass. However, should they happen to choose a Pokemon to promote Go, I don't think there's any Pokemon in particular who benefits from it. All Pokemon from Kanto to Unova/Kalos would work just fine.

I have my doubts though, mainly because I have no idea how they'd scrape together a bundle for Pokemon Go that includes a

It's not necessarily about repping Go as it is choosing a Pokemon more familiar to Go players and is a fan favorite beyond that, with Galar being thrown bones in the shape of a stage/music/spirits (although if they go for Eevee since it's pushed as the alternative to Pikachu now, its spirit board would probably consist of the Eeveelutions and Gigantamax Eevee as the 4-star.)

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's not necessarily about repping Go as it is choosing a Pokemon more familiar to Go players and is a fan favorite beyond that, with Galar being thrown bones in the shape of a stage/music/spirits (although if they go for Eevee since it's pushed as the alternative to Pikachu now, its spirit board would probably consist of the Eeveelutions and Gigantamax Eevee as the 4-star.)

I'd think this is decently unnecessary since Pikachu, Mewtwo, and Charizard already fill this role. It would be more valuable to go for more interesting picks over who the casuals already know.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I've never been able to understand or get behind the idea of a playable Eevee that changes forms depending on certain things.

Like that to me is just...not Eevee. It sounds very convoluted of an idea and is incredibly rigid. You evolve into Flareon? Cool, now you're stuck until you get KO'd? Oof. Having an Eevee evolve into Flareon and then evolve into Jolteon is not how the mechanic works with Pokemon itself, so I can see why it would be avoided.

Eh. I like Eevee and think it's an iconic Pokemon, but the last thing I would want is a moveset that just doesn't fit the Pokemon or the game it comes from, nor would I want one that seems overly complicated or just...not fun sounding, if I'm being honest.

Different strokes for different folks I guess!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Pokeball Summons were also made way before AT's. Also, yes, you can hit away Chansey literally as early as Smash 64. It's been done before(albeit, stage hazard can be hit way in Smash 64, but not her Pokeball this time. Melee changes it so you can hit away Chansey, but she's only a Pokeball this time).

So your first point means little. Pokeball Pokemon weren't really designed that way. They aren't AT's. It's not even a significant thing.

Remember, they approved the idea of Ash-Greninja to even exist in the anime. And then the games. If the argument is they're stingy, then that means they're not as stingy as you're claiming cause they don't care nearly as much you think. They aren't actually that stingy beyond costumes. And yes, you could hit away Chansey in Melee. Same with Cyndaquil and Marrill. So... yes, yes they can. Just not a lot overall. It's a pretty small list, to be honest. One I can't find without taking at least a half hour to compile all the data.

Pokeballs being made before ATs and nog being designed to be able to get hit means literally nothing as smacking around ATs wasn't a thing in Brawl but rather Smash 4, why are you like this

 

[PSIGuy]

Why don't they just put all the Eeveelutions into one moveset as alts? Sure they have different properties, but they have the same central gimmick and a similar enough bodyshape. I really don't get why someone wouldn't want that! Just have the moveset use Flareon's Flame Wheel, Vaporeon's Acid Armor, Minmin's kicks and Ribbon Girl's multiple jumps. There! Perfect.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I never really considered an Eevee moveset with switching - you can't de-evolve the mons in game, so why would they even consider that here?

...at least not in the main series games...

But something just popped into my head, coming from what would have been an awesome kit for Kass or one of the BotW characters that would allow all four of the champion movesets in one (even though Urbosa is the best), considering that each could easily be a special in one direction.

Spoiler: Now in game...

The champions appear as ghostly figures as Link uses their abilities...

What if a hypothetical Eevee moveset used normal ...normals, but then used special specials? As in side-B is Flamethrower, down-B is Acid Armor or something, etc. But as you use it, you don't evolve, but you get a projection of the other Eeveelution behind you as you do it?

Not that I expect Eevee or anything, but that comment really just triggered the idea.

 

[Garteam]

beta pichu being a Pikachu echo instead of a Pichu echo would be... something

Yeah cause Spaceworld 97 Pichu is his echo

 

[DarthEnderX]

Ok, I love ARMS, but that sounds pretty depressing. It would definitely make for a very lukewarm DLC cycle if ARMS was its highlight.

It won't be. It'll just be the highlight of NINTENDO characters in the pass.

I've never been able to understand or get behind the idea of a playable Eevee that changes forms depending on certain things.

Like that to me is just...not Eevee. It sounds very convoluted of an idea and is incredibly rigid. You evolve into Flareon? Cool, now you're stuck until you get KO'd? Oof. Having an Eevee evolve into Flareon and then evolve into Jolteon is not how the mechanic works with Pokemon itself, so I can see why it would be avoided.

Eh. I like Eevee and think it's an iconic Pokemon, but the last thing I would want is a moveset that just doesn't fit the Pokemon or the game it comes from, nor would I want one that seems overly complicated or just...not fun sounding, if I'm being honest.

I think the only logical way to do Eevee is to have an Eevee Trainer, that functions the same as Pokemon Trainer, but with a bunch of Eevee evolutions.

That said, I hate Pokemon Trainer, so I absolutely DON'T want this.

 

[Ben Holt]

Why don't they just put all the Eeveelutions into one moveset as alts? Sure they have different properties, but they have the same central gimmick and a similar enough bodyshape. I really don't get why someone wouldn't want that! Just have the moveset use Flareon's Flame Wheel, Vaporeon's Acid Armor, Minmin's kicks and Ribbon Girl's multiple jumps. There! Perfect.

I sense sarcasm.
But as an ARMS player, I can promise you that Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, and Min Min are all similar enough to be alts. It's the DLC characters that get weird.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What if a hypothetical Eevee moveset used normal ...normals, but then used special specials? As in side-B is Flamethrower, down-B is Acid Armor or something, etc. But as you use it, you don't evolve, but you get a projection of the other Eeveelution behind you as you do it?

That would be a pretty odd. They're not ghosts. Though I suppose it's kinda like Extreme Evoboost...

Still weird.

I've never been able to understand or get behind the idea of a playable Eevee that changes forms depending on certain things.

Like that to me is just...not Eevee. It sounds very convoluted of an idea and is incredibly rigid. You evolve into Flareon? Cool, now you're stuck until you get KO'd? Oof. Having an Eevee evolve into Flareon and then evolve into Jolteon is not how the mechanic works with Pokemon itself, so I can see why it would be avoided.

Eh. I like Eevee and think it's an iconic Pokemon, but the last thing I would want is a moveset that just doesn't fit the Pokemon or the game it comes from, nor would I want one that seems overly complicated or just...not fun sounding, if I'm being honest.

Different strokes for different folks I guess!

To be honest, there's probably not a good way to handle it. I think my idea would be pretty straightforward, but it blatantly ignores over 30% of the Eeveelutions, and more when more Eeveelutions come to exist. Also, thinking on it, it would be pretty boring, as it would just amount to picking the counterpick option and waiting until you're a good (or better) character. Adding all 8 of them would definitely be way too complicated. You can't make them alts of each other. You can't even ignore all 8 of them since that's kind of the point of Eevee.

It won't be. It'll just be the highlight of NINTENDO characters in the pass.

Considering that the current plausible Nintendo characters are the Galar starters, and Urshifu...Yeah I'd buy that.

I think the only logical way to do Eevee is to have an Eevee Trainer, that functions the same as Pokemon Trainer, but with a bunch of Eevee evolutions.

That said, I hate Pokemon Trainer, so I absolutely DON'T want this.

Even this is a horrible idea. They'd just be Pokémon Trainer, but waaaaay too much. I suppose you could make the player pick three of them to take into battle, but even if it's executed perfectly, there is no way anyone can justify making 9 entire movesets (with inevitably more in the future) for one character idea, even (or especially) if they're all semi-clones of each other.

But as an ARMS player, I can promise you that Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, and Min Min are all similar enough to be alts. It's the DLC characters that get weird.

And as another ARMS player, I can promise you that Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, and Min Min are not similar enough to be alts.

 

[ARandomFruit]

The first thing I thought of when I saw "Eevee Trainer" was Wes from Pokemon Colosseum. That or Michael from XD: Gale of Darkness who actually uses a Eevee. Not to say this is a good way to represent Eevee or Pokemon Colosseum/XD, but I wouldn't complain if we got Eevee with either of them in the background.

 

[Ben Holt]

That would be a pretty odd. They're not ghosts. Though I suppose it's kinda like Extreme Evoboost...

Still weird.

To be honest, there's probably not a good way to handle it. I think my idea would be pretty straightforward, but it blatantly ignores over 30% of the Eeveelutions, and more when more Eeveelutions come to exist. Also, thinking on it, it would be pretty boring, as it would just amount to picking the counterpick option and waiting until you're a good (or better) character. Adding all 8 of them would definitely be way too complicated. You can't make them alts of each other. You can't even ignore all 8 of them since that's kind of the point of Eevee.


Considering that the current plausible Nintendo characters are the Galar starters, and Urshifu...Yeah I'd buy that.


Even this is a horrible idea. They'd just be Pokémon Trainer, but waaaaay too much. I suppose you could make the player pick three of them to take into battle, but even if it's executed perfectly, there is no way anyone can justify making 9 entire movesets (with inevitably more in the future) for one character idea, even (or especially) if they're all semi-clones of each other.


And as another ARMS player, I can promise you that Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara, and Min Min are not similar enough to be alts.

They're more similar than Bowser Jr. to the Koopalings and Hero to his alts.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The first thing I thought of when I saw "Eevee Trainer" was Wes from Pokemon Colosseum. That or Michael from XD: Gale of Darkness who actually uses a Eevee. Not to say this is a good way to represent Eevee or Pokemon Colosseum/XD, but I wouldn't complain if we got Eevee with either of them in the background.

Broke: Making a generic Eevee trainer.
Woke: Using Michael as the Eevee trainer.
Bespoke: Using Wes as the Eevee trainer.
Masterstroke: Using Hero as the Eevee trainer.

They're more similar than Bowser Jr. to the Koopalings and Hero to his alts.

They're about as similar as the Koopalings are, and I don't like the Koopalings as alternate costumes either.