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King Sonnn DeDeDoo

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I think Layton would get a great reaction. He a cool dude.
Oh no doubt, most people I've found are receptive to idea of Layton in Smash, but he wouldn't be the "crazy hype" pick like Sora would be for a decent chunk of the fanbase.

Even with my personal disdain for Sora, a silver-lining is that a lot of people would be happy, I try to roll with the punches and focus on the positives when it comes to character inclusions.
 

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Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?
76: Yeah okay. I would prefer Spring Man because im basic but she may as well be mascot #2 so fine.
77: Cool, i hope they actually used his classic look as an Alt, but i hope his representation isn't just Origins/Lengeds.
78:Who? God please no, get it out of my face.
79:.......eh? I have interest in Doom but i just don't see it as Smash material (if i were in Charge of Smash Bayo would be nowhere to be found) but he may be fun to play as.
80: No. I have enough of Capcom as it is, no thanks.
81: Probably the only character i actually would be interesed outside of Rayman and mayyyyyybe Doomguy.

Overall, a really uninteresing Pass, even worse than 1. The fact that Minmin would be the only Nintendo character would be uderwhelming, but Rayman and Geno would at least have something for me to look foward to.
 

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Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?
Pretty okay with this all things considered, and a couple who I actually like (Rayman, Ahri, Dante). Not my absolute dream pass, but I won't complain.

Ahri = No idea who that is
You know Morrigan Aensland from Darkstalkers?

Ahri is pretty much the kitsune version of her. With a heavy dose of "I really regret - and want to escape from - my own nature, but it's difficult to resist!" in her lore. She plays very much like a combination of Palutena and Rosalina in her home game, with a heavy emphasis of evasion and trickery.
 
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You know Morrigan Aensland from Darkstalkers?

Ahri is pretty much the kitsune version of her. With a heavy dose of "I really regret - and want to escape from - my own nature, but it's difficult to resist!" in her lore. She plays very much like a combination of Palutena and Rosalina in her home game, with a heavy emphasis of evasion and trickery.
The closest thing furries and fans would get of Krystal.
 

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Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?
I would be extremely excited, as minmin and geno are two of my most wanted along with phoenix wright, ill be sad that dante got in over him but dante is still a cool choice that i would be fine with. Rayman im mostly okay with, if it's him or crash i would definitely prefer rayman. Doomslayer would be really cool, not much to say about that. I personally dont like mobas at all but ahri looks cool i guess. Overall, compared to plant and fp1 this would be miles better imo.
 
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You know Morrigan Aensland from Darkstalkers?

Ahri is pretty much the kitsune version of her. With a heavy dose of "I really regret - and want to escape from - my own nature, but it's difficult to resist!" in her lore. She plays very much like a combination of Palutena and Rosalina in her home game, with a heavy emphasis of evasion and trickery.
From what I've seen Morrigan is actually quite comfortable with who she is. It's Lillith who has the "hates her true nature" part, and that's because her purpose is to become one with Morrigan, which would ultimately mean she would stop existing.
 

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Alright so I proposed the idea of a stance character awhile back, but now that I think about it Urshifu is another possible candidate for that archetype that might have a shot if Nintendo really wants to advertise for Pokemon Sword & Shield Isle of Armor DLC by including it's mascot Pokemon.

Essentially he's a Kung-Fu bear with 2 different fighting styles, one focusing on hard hitting sting strikes and one on flowing rapid jabs. Although not how it exactly works in the game, perhaps in Smash he could change his fighting style on the fly with a down special or something of the like.

Not too fond of his design or the idea of a promotional DLC character, but I still think their is a possibly for him to be included and have an interesting mechanic. What do y'all think?
 

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Alright so I proposed the idea of a stance character awhile back, but now that I think about it Urshifu is another possible candidate for that archetype that might have a shot if Nintendo really wants to advertise for Pokemon Sword & Shield Isle of Armor DLC by including it's mascot Pokemon.

Essentially he's a Kung-Fu bear with 2 different fighting styles, one focusing on hard hitting sting strikes and one on flowing rapid jabs. Although not how it exactly works in the game, perhaps in Smash he could change his fighting style on the fly with a down special or something of the like.

Not too fond of his design or the idea of a promotional DLC character, but I still think their is a possibly for him to be included and have an interesting mechanic. What do y'all think?
That wouldn't work with Urshifu because it can't actually switch forms in the games.
 

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I think that CacoMallow is fake and I highly doubt that Geno is getting in.
Well i guess i highly disagree. I think cacomallow has a good chance at being real and i think geno is one of the most likely additions.
 
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That wouldn't work with Urshifu because it can't actually switch forms in the games.
*creative license intensifies*
:ultduckhunt::ulthero::ultbyleth::ultzss::ultrobin:

EDIT: More seriously though, I don't think having a Pokémon swap between its two very similar forms would be all that Farfetch'd, especially since it would allow the major gimmick of the Pokémon to shine through.
 
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Alright so I proposed the idea of a stance character awhile back, but now that I think about it Urshifu is another possible candidate for that archetype that might have a shot if Nintendo really wants to advertise for Pokemon Sword & Shield Isle of Armor DLC by including it's mascot Pokemon.

Essentially he's a Kung-Fu bear with 2 different fighting styles, one focusing on hard hitting sting strikes and one on flowing rapid jabs. Although not how it exactly works in the game, perhaps in Smash he could change his fighting style on the fly with a down special or something of the like.

Not too fond of his design or the idea of a promotional DLC character, but I still think their is a possibly for him to be included and have an interesting mechanic. What do y'all think?
The king of Bājíquán fighting is already in smash as an assist trophy.

They arent going to put a pokemon knock off of him.
 

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Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?
76: Ok
77: Bleh
78: Ok
79: Cool
80: Cool
81: Bleh

Dante = Doom Slayer > Ahri = Min Min > Rayman > Geno

mixed pass overall: Dante and Doom Slayer save it IMO

I'll do my ratings for FP1

Joker: Cool
Hero: Cool
Banjo: Ok
Terry: Dope!
Byleth: Bleh

If FP2 is the pass above then FP1 > FP2 and Terry would be my favorite pick from either pass
 

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Well i guess i highly disagree. I think cacomallow has a good chance at being real and i think geno is one of the most likely additions.
Geno wouldn't excite anyone other than hardcore Smash fans. Also, SE has other characters that are more likely.
 

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Geno wouldn't excite anyone other than hardcore Smash fans. Also, SE has other characters that are more likely.
Saying geno would only excite hardcore smash fans sounds a little strange as you make it sound like only geno fans would enjoy it. I didnt know who terry was and hes probably my favourite challenger pack. And of course wether or not there are more likely square options is subjective
 

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Alright so I proposed the idea of a stance character awhile back, but now that I think about it Urshifu is another possible candidate for that archetype that might have a shot if Nintendo really wants to advertise for Pokemon Sword & Shield Isle of Armor DLC by including it's mascot Pokemon.

Essentially he's a Kung-Fu bear with 2 different fighting styles, one focusing on hard hitting sting strikes and one on flowing rapid jabs. Although not how it exactly works in the game, perhaps in Smash he could change his fighting style on the fly with a down special or something of the like.

Not too fond of his design or the idea of a promotional DLC character, but I still think their is a possibly for him to be included and have an interesting mechanic. What do y'all think?
I think it's more likely that we'll get a Pokemon from the base game than one from the DLC.

I never really understood why a lot of people rule out all the Pokemon from the base game but not Urshifu or Calyrex. You're required to buy the game in order to play the DLC, so it's not like you need to be from either of the two DLC packs in order to be promotional. Urshifu just feels like that one Pokemon that everyone predicts simply because it's the most recent Pokemon who will see some degree of promotion.

Personally, I think it'll either be a final evo of one of the three starters or one of the two boxart Legendaries.
 
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Saying geno would only excite hardcore smash fans sounds a little strange as you make it sound like only geno fans would enjoy it. I didnt know who terry was and hes probably my favourite challenger pack. And of course wether or not there are more likely square options is subjective
There's 2B, Lara Croft, Neku, Sora, and other FF characters to choose from.
 

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At the same time, those examples given don't have a defined gimmick like Urshifu, who was hyped up for having 2 forms you need to choose between
I was a bit late on the draw for editing, but this is what I had to add:
EDIT: More seriously though, I don't think having a Pokémon swap between its two very similar forms would be all that Farfetch'd, especially since it would allow the major gimmick of the Pokémon to shine through.
Although, perhaps it would be better to add Kubfu, and have him evolve into one of the Ushifu forms either depending on how you play, or just by letting them pick one when evolution is ready. Could be quite interesting, though probably more work than the character is worth.
 

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So A thought occurred to me, I want to gauge your guy's opinions

Do you think there are characters that have actual evidence for them being in? and not just, "this character is popular and requested"? I want to see what you guys think
Honestly, not really. Basically every argument here relies on some degree of "dude trust me lol". We can look at precedent to figure out general trends and then use those trends to see how well each character goes with or against the trend, but there's still some degree of trust involved.

Using Geno as an example:
  • We've seen a trend of fan favourites between Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo-Kazooie (adds to Geno's chances, because he's a fan favourite).
  • We've seen a trend of Square-Enix characters between Cloud and Hero (adds to Geno's chances, because he's a Square character).
  • We've seen a trend of DLC costumes from Smash for getting upgraded between Chrom, Isabelle, and K. Rool (adds to Geno's chances, as he was a costume in Smash for).
  • We have yet to see a character be both a DLC costume and character (adds to Geno's chances, as his costume is MIA).
  • We've never seen a company get multiple characters in a wave of Smash characters (decreases Geno's chances, as he now has to compete with multiple, popular characters like Sora and 2B).
  • We've never seen a spirit become DLC (decreases Geno's chances, as he's a spirit).
However, this entire analysis only really works if you think these trends actually mean something. Someone who is feverishly anti-Geno could easily say "The trend of Square characters and DLC costumes getting in is just a coincidence, it doesn't actually influence who gets in". Likewise, someone on the opposite end could say "The lack of multiple characters from the same company and spirits thus far not becoming DLC are coincidences, it doesn't actually block a character from getting in". This is basically where the whole "fan rule!" thing comes from. People don't have faith that a trend actually influences Smash in any meaningful way, so it's basically a shorthand for saying "We can't know for sure if this means anything, so I don't buy it". Of course, people are a lot more picky about what's legitimate evidence and what's a fan rule, but that's mostly people seeing what they want to see.
 
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There's 2B, Lara Croft, Neku, Sora, and other FF characters to choose from.
I mean, heres where it gets really subjective, as in my opinion the only square enix characters i think can get in are geno 2b and sora(yehiknowhesdisney). I also think chrono trigger and twewy content is possible but indont see a character. I also dont see another ff character happening like seph, tifa or lightning

Edit:i also dont see lara croft happening
 
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I think it's more likely that we'll get a Pokemon from the base game than one from the DLC.

I never really understood why a lot of people rule out all the Pokemon from the base game but not Urshifu or Calyrex. You're required to buy the game in order to play the DLC, so it's not like you need to be from either of the two DLC packs in order to be promotional. Urshifu just feels like that one Pokemon that everyone predicts simply because it's the most recent Pokemon who will see some degree of promotion.

Personally, I think it'll either be a final evo of one of the three starters or one of the two boxart Legendaries.
I don't think that we're even getting a Pokemon at all, because of the Spirit Event.
 

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The closest thing furries and fans would get of Krystal.
That's a pretty good comparision too.

From what I've seen Morrigan is actually quite comfortable with who she is. It's Lillith who has the "hates her true nature" part, and that's because her purpose is to become one with Morrigan, which would ultimately mean she would stop existing.
Oh, forgot that Lilith's the one who had that (I knew Morrigan's the comfortable one though). Never been that hugely into Darkstalkers, and most of what I know of Morrigan comes off her crossover appearances.

Drew the comparision due to both Ahri and Morrigan being Ms. Fanservice as well as both having projectiles (Ahri's Fox Fire, Morrigan's Soul Fist). Should've clarified around the personality difference bit between Ahri and Morrigan (Ahri's also different from Lilith in a sense), but eh, mistakes happen.

I think it's more likely that we'll get a Pokemon from the base game than one from the DLC.

I never really understood why a lot of people rule out all the Pokemon from the base game but not Urshifu or Calyrex. You're required to buy the game in order to play the DLC, so it's not like you need to be from either of the two DLC packs in order to be promotional. Urshifu just feels like that one Pokemon that everyone predicts simply because it's the most recent Pokemon who has seen or will see some degree of promotion.

Personally, I think it'll either be a final evo of one of the three starters or one of the two boxart Legendaries.
I'm guessing the general consensus here and not giving my own opinion. Keyword being guess:

I personally get the impression that it's due to Incineroar getting that base roster Pokemon spot. As well as base Sword and Shield's kind of wonky timing. That said, Urshifu / Calyrex seems to fit at first glance due to seemingly fitting the timing aspect.* Urshifu / Calyrex would also be the first "Yellow / Crystal"-esque addition (if one can call the DLC that, which I believe) - which might explain some of the support or conversation behind them. Breath of fresh air.

*(Sidenote: ARMS being FP6 did blow the timing aspect out unless it's a major expansion or ARMS 2)
 
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I was a bit late on the draw for editing, but this is what I had to add:


Although, perhaps it would be better to add Kubfu, and have him evolve into one of the Ushifu forms either depending on how you play, or just by letting them pick one when evolution is ready. Could be quite interesting, though probably more work than the character is worth.
Idk, TPC's shown that they're stingy when involved with Smash so doing something that goes against their marketing tactic sounds like something they'd get pissed at
 

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Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?
76: It's a sound choice. Makes sense but I would prefer Spring Man.
77. Hype. I really like the first game so having some content from it would be great and Rayman has interesting moveset potential.
78. Cool but at the same time meh. I don't know much about League of Legends but the moveset and stage potential is there.
79. Hype. Hype Hype. One of my most wanted characters. I want Doomguy so badly. Awesome music, awesome moveset potential, awesome design. Eveything about this guy is awesome. I want him in this game now.
80. Would be sick. This guy is the epitome of cool and has great moveset potential and music choices. Come on Public Enemy!
81. I would be excited for him. I honestly have not played Legend of the Seven Stars but man his fans are so passionate and I spent quite a bit of time in the Geno thread. Those guys are super chill and nice. Geno has cool moveset and due to him being the biggest long-term request left, it would make sense for him to be the final character for the ultimate Smash game.

Overall, this would be a hype and solid pass.
 

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At the same time, those examples given don't have a defined gimmick like Urshifu, who was hyped up for having 2 forms you need to choose between
Yeah I could see The Pokemon Company being pretty restrictive on how Urshifu is depicted in Smash, thet probably would shoot down fighting style switching, even if it would make for an interesting fighter imo. Maybe if Sakurai could convince them but IDK.
I think it's more likely that we'll get a Pokemon from the base game than one from the DLC.

I never really understood why a lot of people rule out all the Pokemon from the base game but not Urshifu or Calyrex. You're required to buy the game in order to play the DLC, so it's not like you need to be from either of the two DLC packs in order to be promotional. Urshifu just feels like that one Pokemon that everyone predicts simply because it's the most recent Pokemon who will see some degree of promotion.

Personally, I think it'll either be a final evo of one of the three starters or one of the two boxart Legendaries.
I was mainly bringing him up as I wanted to talk about stance changing characters, rather than his chances.
 

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I don't think that we're even getting a Pokemon at all, because of the Spirit Event.
You say this every time SwSh is brought up.

That's a pretty good comparision too.

I'm guessing the general consensus here and not giving my own opinion. Keyword being guess:

I personally get the impression that it's due to Incineroar getting that base roster Pokemon spot. As well as base Sword and Shield's kind of wonky timing. That said, Urshifu / Calyrex seems to fit at first glance due to seemingly fitting the timing aspect.* Urshifu / Calyrex would also be the first "Yellow / Crystal"-esque addition (if one can call the DLC that, which I believe) - which might explain some of the support or conversation behind them. Breath of fresh air.

*(Sidenote: ARMS being FP6 did blow the timing aspect out unless it's a major expansion or ARMS 2)
I don't really think the timing is an issue. 3H came out only four months before SwSh and still managed to get a spot in the first pass.

And then like you pointed out, ARMS is getting a character three years later.
 

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Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?
I'd actually buy it. There's a good mix of gaming eras represented, it has newcomers highly requested by Smash fans, and none of them seem like they'd retread old ground previous fighters have already covered. As a whole it's better than the 1st pass. Ahri is the only low point for me, but even still I prefer her to 3/5 of the 1st pass's characters.
 

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You know Morrigan Aensland from Darkstalkers?

Ahri is pretty much the kitsune version of her. With a heavy dose of "I really regret - and want to escape from - my own nature, but it's difficult to resist!" in her lore. She plays very much like a combination of Palutena and Rosalina in her home game, with a heavy emphasis of evasion and trickery.
Ah so that's who she is. I kept seeing pictures of her and now I know. Not interested in characters like Palutena or Rosalina so she does nothing for me. Pretty much meh tier.
 

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Yeah I could see The Pokemon Company being pretty restrictive on how Urshifu is depicted in Smash, thet probably would shoot down fighting style switching, even if it would make for an interesting fighter imo. Maybe if Sakurai could convince them but IDK.

I was mainly bringing him up as I wanted to talk about stance changing characters, rather than his chances.
TPC's likely the reason we don't have proper Shiny alts as that'd taint the rarity of them or something after all. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they're the reason you can't hit Pokeball summons at all which is ****ing garbage
 

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Idk, TPC's shown that they're stingy when involved with Smash so doing something that goes against their marketing tactic sounds like something they'd get pissed at
I don't know about that, but the second idea I proposed doesn't go against what they were going for at all you start as the base form, and then after meeting some requirement (likely filling an Exp. bar) you can pick one of the evolved forms.

Personally though, I hope they'd go for Zacian & Zamazenta, or any other Pokémon that has abilities unique to them in the scope of general gaming if they do any Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield characters.

Ah so that's who she is. I kept seeing pictures of her and now I know. Not interested in characters like Palutena or Rosalina so she does nothing for me. Pretty much meh tier.
Palutena and Rosalina don't have a heavy (or any really) emphasis on trickery though so it may be a bad comparison. To be honest, I think the only character like that is oddly enough, Sonic, though I doubt she'd play anything like that.
 

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Actually i got another question for you guys

I've been thinking this for characters like Sora or Dante, but could perhaps having too much moveset potential be a detriment towards a character getting in, or if certain characters would be hard to balance?

This Source gaming article talks about it

http://sourcegaming.info/2015/07/11/gdc-2008-translation/

but it does list that development issues and game balance are taken into consideration. do you think certain characters might just have a hard time fitting into Smash

This is a main reason why I haven't been fully confident in Dante. After Bayonetta especially, characters like Sora and Dante where combos are a norm and their movesets is overstuffed could be a challenge. And I don't know if they will pull the Bayonetta treatment of just giving them their main Weapons. Sora i could see giving him just the Keyblade, but alot of Dante's unique Moveset Potential comes from the Devil Arms he possess. I don't want to pull the Bayonetta with a Sword card because he has interesting movements with his Sword and he does have his Styles and Devil Trigger, But I'm just saying, it something to keep in mind, especially since Dante has been in 2 fighting games before so what amount to a neutered moveset compared to MVC might not be so good.
 

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I swear I remember being able to hit :113: in Melee.
I've only played Melee for like 5 minutes so I can't speak about that, though I remember someone here saying you could hit Giratina when that's blatantly false as I tested it a few minutes ago. Pretty bull**** you could smack around ATs for nearly 6 years but Keldeo is allowed to just Do That
 
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