Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

in either case, with that interview about Doom guy going into too much detail for NDA, even if the leak is real, there's a likely chance the conclusion is one Doomguy or Geno fans may not like, With them being Premium costumes in some form. we don't know how long those take after all

This kind of doesn't mean that much? Doomslayer is disconfirmed. That's all it means. There was zero talk about actual Doom content being in as well. The whole context was a playable character.

Like, yes, it's absolutely possible, if they were real, that it was said "nope, not happening" when it came to licensing.

Nonetheless, like Gwen also said, you can't replicate it no matter how hard you try. That's not possible. You can get close to the same quality at best. But that doesn't mean it was faked, it just proves it's clearly possible to fake and nothing more. It makes sense people are skeptical of the leak, I am too.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't think there was any videos for the Ken leak. Just that singular picture, which Nintendo didn't take down.

I still can't get over the fact that nobody could figure anything suspiscious about that leak, the only person who tried to argue against it was a chud who said "I go to /pol a lot, I can tell when it's a fake". Wonder how that chud feels about it now

 

[7NATOR]

Oh, so if Nintendo never tried to take down the Picture of the Ken Leak, or videos discussing the leak, then that brings things into question, it might also add more credibility to a Conspiracy I've had for awhile, but I'll get into that later

but is it possible Nintendo is learning not to go ahead and just take downs down, and sometimes leaving it up. Example, them taking down the ESRB Gameplay from Smash 4 confirmed the leak for some people, so maybe they wised up and now strategising their takedowns.

Perhaps for example that's what they are doing with Cacomallow. however isn't there some contract agreement that you have to take stuff like Cacomallow (assuming it's real) and the Ken leak down. that is a breach of 3rd party content and the 3rd party might not like it

 

[Curious Villager]

Oh, so if Nintendo never tried to take down the Picture of the Ken Leak, or videos discussing the leak, then that brings things into question, it might also add more credibility to a Conspiracy I've had for awhile, but I'll get into that later

but is it possible Nintendo is learning not to go ahead and just take downs down, and sometimes leaving it up. Example, them taking down the ESRB Gameplay from Smash 4 confirmed the leak for some people, so maybe they wised up and now strategising their takedowns.

Perhaps for example that's what they are doing with Cacomallow. however isn't there some contract agreement that you have to take stuff like Cacomallow (assuming it's real) and the Ken leak down. that is a breach of 3rd party content and the 3rd party might not like it

I think Nintendo usually takes video content down, they don't really do much with screenshots posted online, which being fair, is pretty much impossible to take down or control due to how widespread the internet is.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh, so if Nintendo never tried to take down the Picture of the Ken Leak, or videos discussing the leak, then that brings things into question, it might also add more credibility to a Conspiracy I've had for awhile, but I'll get into that later

but is it possible Nintendo is learning not to go ahead and just take downs down, and sometimes leaving it up. Example, them taking down the ESRB Gameplay from Smash 4 confirmed the leak for some people, so maybe they wised up and now strategising their takedowns.

Perhaps for example that's what they are doing with Cacomallow. however isn't there some contract agreement that you have to take stuff like Cacomallow (assuming it's real) and the Ken leak down. that is a breach of 3rd party content and the 3rd party might not like it

The ESRB leaks they took down weren't images, but rather video footage showing off gameplay including Bowser Kr and Shulk, I think taking down images is significantly harder, especially considering how quickly Nintendo takes videos down on youtube

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I think Nintendo usually takes video content down, they don't really do much with screenshots posted online, which being fair, is pretty much impossible to take down or control due to how widespread the internet is.

To be fair, the ESRB videos were uploaded to YouTube (were they unlisted? I don’t remember). I think Cacomallow was on another platform (Discord?) before getting an unlisted YouTube upload

 

[Cutie Gwen]

To be fair, the ESRB videos were uploaded to YouTube (were they unlisted? I don’t remember). I think Cacomallow was on another platform (Discord?) before getting an unlisted YouTube upload

The order doesn't matter, they'll still take it down as long as it's on youtube

 

[7NATOR]

Okay so this does make sense

So then I'm wondering, if they didn't take down Cacomallow, and Nintendo is one to still be taking down stuff, that just makes it really weird. the Full quality of those mii costumes can't be Exactly match, even if people can get close.

and even for some reason they couldn't use those costumes because some licensing issues and were forced to cut those costumes, wouldn't Nintendo still have to take it down for 3rd Parties sake?


Since we are on the subject of Video takedowns, there is one that still concerns me. The KOS-MOS Mod takedown. Did they ever find evidence of False-Flagging? or if not False-flagging, could it have been just Nintendo automated systems or was it deliberately targeted. That video takedown still is weird till this day

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Okay so this does make sense

So then I'm wondering, if they didn't take down Cacomallow, and Nintendo is one to still be taking down stuff, that just makes it really weird. the Full quality of those mii costumes can't be Exactly match, even if people can get close.

and even for some reason they couldn't use those costumes because some licensing issues and were forced to cut those costumes, wouldn't Nintendo still have to take it down for 3rd Parties sake?


Since we are on the subject of Video takedowns, there is one that still concerns me. The KOS-MOS Mod takedown. Did they ever find evidence of False-Flagging? or if not False-flagging, could it have been just Nintendo automated systems or was it deliberately targeted. That video takedown still is weird till this day

The fact it was claimed for having Mario Kart Tour “footage” is weird. In what world does that resemble Mario Kart Tour

 

[7NATOR]

The fact it was claimed for having Mario Kart Tour “footage” is weird. In what world does that resemble Mario Kart Tour

That part is also weird. I guess it could have been automated by this, maybe the KOS-MOS Visual stimuli can trick bots to thinking Mario Kart tour, or maybe Namco has really gotten close to Nintendo recently, but is Mario Kart Tour even still getting supported

Either that or that's their way of giving suspicion away from Smash. I know Undertale Music and I think Banjo music were taken down, was there anything weird written for their takedowns?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That part is also weird. I guess it could have been automated by this, maybe the KOS-MOS Visual stimuli can trick bots to thinking Mario Kart tour, or maybe Namco has really gotten close to Nintendo recently, but is Mario Kart Tour even still getting supported

Either that or that's their way of giving suspicion away from Smash. I know Undertale Music and I think Banjo music were taken down, was there anything weird written for their takedowns?

I don’t recall for Banjo or Undertale. And yes, MKT is (regrettably) still going. STILL salty over them charging $45 ****ING BENJAMINS for Diddy Kong

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

Since we are on the subject of Video takedowns, there is one that still concerns me. The KOS-MOS Mod takedown. Did they ever find evidence of False-Flagging? or if not False-flagging, could it have been just Nintendo automated systems or was it deliberately targeted. That video takedown still is weird till this day

That one likely was a troll who wanted to see if the Smash community was going to take the bait.For instance, when the ESRB Videos were taken down, it was SPECIFICALLY Nintendo of America. Those words make a difference.

When Nintendo takes down stuff, it translates to "Nintendo of America takes down stuff". I have yet to see an instance where a video is taken down by "Nintendo". That pretty much for me is a red flag that proves all of this to be bait.

Never underestimate Youtube's ****ty copyright claim system.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That one likely was a troll who wanted to see if the Smash community was going to take the bait. When the ESRB Videos were taken down, it was SPECIFICALLY Nintendo of America.

When Nintendo takes down stuff, it translates to "Nintendo of America takes down stuff". I have yet to see an instance where a video is taken down by "Nintendo". That pretty much for me is a red flag that proves all of this to be bait.

Has Nintendo Japan or Nintendo Europe ever claimed anything?

 

[SKX31]

League getting into Smash would definitely be a strange breath of fresh air, i'll give you that
but it's gonna give them all the ammo in the world to force me to watch yet another Youtube ad of some storyteller animator giving me a cartoon about why i should definitely play this game i have no interest for
so let's not have that

I worry for you in case Riot's Switch project turns out to be Wild Rift (abridged console / mobile LoL). Knowing LoL's owners - Tencent - the # of ads are gonna increase big time in that case (I have emphasized that they are as large as Facebook for a reason - Zuckerberg wants to follow Tencent's example.*). Whether LoL gets into Smash or not.

STILL salty over them charging $45 ****ING BENJAMINS for Diddy Kong

I'm not sure whether I should find that funny or just incredibly depressing. On one hand, the Cheaper than Diddy Twitter account:

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On the other, Microtransaction Hell being rewarded. Far too depressively common in the industry (and not a new problem if one considers the old quater-muching arcades to be Microtransaction-y).

So, probably both.

*(In this case, it would be like watching a Facebook ad and buying the game / DLC in the same app. Alongside other stuff.)

 

[TheCJBrine]

That part is also weird. I guess it could have been automated by this, maybe the KOS-MOS Visual stimuli can trick bots to thinking Mario Kart tour, or maybe Namco has really gotten close to Nintendo recently, but is Mario Kart Tour even still getting supported

Either that or that's their way of giving suspicion away from Smash. I know Undertale Music and I think Banjo music were taken down, was there anything weird written for their takedowns?

The Banjo-Kazooie and Undertale fanmade Smash remixes were on channels that leaked Ultimate’s music before release. They were specifically taken down before the channels were just terminated, though they could’ve just been caught by the bot due to being labeled “Super Smash Bros. Ultimate” while the bot was already going ham on the channels.

A fanmade remix for Beware the Forest’s Mushrooms was in the same boat, getting taken down before the channel received a nice gift basket from Nintendo containing a primed nuke.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

Has Nintendo Japan or Nintendo Europe ever claimed anything?

Not that i know of. However i don't see why Nintendo of Japan (which would be just Nintendo) go around claiming english videos from the Americas and Europe. If they claim anything, it would have to be a Japanese video or something along the lines.

But honestly since Youtube is an American website (which therefore means it would works under american law) it makes more sense that Nintendo of America is one that actually monitors what happens on Youtube, rather than Nintendo of Europe (whose grasp is probably smaller)

This is why i just consider the Kos-Mos debacle to be just bait. And really bad one at that.

Aight, are people thinking the Trials of Mana spirits help Sora/Neku/2B's chances at all?

I'm in the 'yes' camp, along with a Capcom and/or ArcSys rep -- due to the other 3rd party spirit events.

Im beign honest when i say that i only see Geno and Sora (yes i know he's Disney) as possible Square newcomers as DLC (and im leaning more towards Geno now) and the Mana Spirits don't change anything.

As for Capcom and ArcSys, i don't see them getting anymore characters, and in the case of Arcsys no newcomers at all i see them in the same ballpark as Ubisoft.

EDIT: AW MAN I DID A DOUBLE POST.

 

[Louie G.]

A fanmade remix for Beware the Forest’s Mushrooms was in the same boat, getting taken down before the channel received a nice gift basket from Nintendo containing a primed nuke.

IIRC it was actually the unedited extensions of Beware the Forest Mushrooms and Fight Against an Armed Boss, which is even stranger considering Nintendo obviously doesn't own the rights to those songs.

Of course they didn't with Banjo or Undertale either, but with those it's at least a "Smash remix" while Mario RPG's ownership is a little more complicated.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

On a side note, I’m sure you’ve heard of NNID breaches and charges made against your consent showing up on your bills

well:

Nintendo Co. Ltd. had confirmed that over 160,000 Nintendo Network IDs and accounts have been illegally accessed. This thread is a translation of their press release.https://t.co/H5fUNmYt0T pic.twitter.com/27Ox1OWjoG

— Robert Sephazon (@Sephazon) April 24, 2020

I wonder what could have caused this

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

On a side note, I’m sure you’ve heard of NNID breaches and charges made against your consent showing up on your bills

well:

Nintendo Co. Ltd. had confirmed that over 160,000 Nintendo Network IDs and accounts have been illegally accessed. This thread is a translation of their press release.https://t.co/H5fUNmYt0T pic.twitter.com/27Ox1OWjoG

— Robert Sephazon (@Sephazon) April 24, 2020

I wonder what could have caused this

This guy.

 

[SmashChu]

Yeah, I’d press the button. If Henry from Code Name: S.T.E.A.M got into Smash literally no other character would matter to me so they can add whoever else they want.

By “most hated character” do you mean literally any video game character? Because if so, I guess Graham the smug ******* hamster is joining the fight. Maybe he’d finally leave my island to go join Smash.

Truly a man of culture

I saw recently where the Cacodemon costume was supposedly updated with even more detail.
While I certainly don't put my money on the Cacomallow leak, it's still yet to be disproven, and my list was just for fun and based on active leaks and rumors.

I've said it before in this thread but it's likely bogus as an element of time. The leak came out before Terry's showcase and since then we have seen two rounds of Mii Fighter costumes and neither of those happened. The "leak" also didn't include costumes that were in there earlier (such as the Ubisoft ones, Sans, Cuphead, ect). If it was legit, they probably would have shown the ones that came out far sooner.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Oh, c'mon. You can't just say that and then not name the characters.

I really don't care for Kingdom Hearts, but I can't deny that Sora has a lot of fans wanting him in smash.

In contrast my most wanted in Smash is Professor Layton, who i'd imagine would have a more lukewarm "Oh ok" reaction from most people.

 

[chocolatejr9]

On a side note, I’m sure you’ve heard of NNID breaches and charges made against your consent showing up on your bills

well:

Nintendo Co. Ltd. had confirmed that over 160,000 Nintendo Network IDs and accounts have been illegally accessed. This thread is a translation of their press release.https://t.co/H5fUNmYt0T pic.twitter.com/27Ox1OWjoG

— Robert Sephazon (@Sephazon) April 24, 2020

I wonder what could have caused this

This must be the work of an Enemy Stand!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I really don't care for Kingdom Hearts, but I can't deny that Sora has a lot of fans wanting him in smash.

He's probably among the top 3 current most requested characters followed by Waluigi and Crash Bandicoot.

 

[Cosmic77]

I don’t recall for Banjo or Undertale. And yes, MKT is (regrettably) still going. STILL salty over them charging $45 ****ING BENJAMINS for Diddy Kong

I think you mean Washingtons.

If Nintendo charged 45 Benjamins for the Diddy Kong pack, the price would be $4,500.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I think you mean Washingtons.

If Nintendo charged 45 Benjamins for the Diddy Kong pack, the price would be $4,500.

curse you metrics!

(also it was roughly $40, but still)

 

[7NATOR]

So A thought occurred to me, I want to gauge your guy's opinions

Do you think there are characters that have actual evidence for them being in? and not just, "this character is popular and requested"? I want to see what you guys think

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So A thought occurred to me, I want to gauge your guy's opinions

Do you think there are characters that have actual evidence for them being in? and not just, "this character is popular and requested"? I want to see what you guys think

a character from ARMS

 

[GoodGrief741]

I really don't care for Kingdom Hearts, but I can't deny that Sora has a lot of fans wanting him in smash.

In contrast my most wanted in Smash is Professor Layton, who i'd imagine would have a more lukewarm "Oh ok" reaction from most people.

I think Layton would get a great reaction. He a cool dude.

I think you mean Washingtons.

If Nintendo charged 45 Benjamins for the Diddy Kong pack, the price would be $4,500.

Insert "Americans will measure things in anything but the metric system" joke.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?

 

[osby]

So A thought occurred to me, I want to gauge your guy's opinions

Do you think there are characters that have actual evidence for them being in? and not just, "this character is popular and requested"? I want to see what you guys think

I wouldn't call it exactly "evidence", but after Byleth and "an ARMS character", I would keep an eye out for Switch-originated characters.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

So A thought occurred to me, I want to gauge your guy's opinions

Do you think there are characters that have actual evidence for them being in? and not just, "this character is popular and requested"? I want to see what you guys think

isn't that question literally the point of this thread?

whatever here goes:

ARMS rep other than Springman: Leaving the intentional vagueness in the ARMS character's announcement leads me to believe it will not be Springman, or at least not just Springman.

Capcom, ArcSys, Square Enix rep: Spirit events from these companies have been added post-launch, leading me to believe that Sakurai nabbed the rights when negotiating for other characters to get into Smash.

Geno: nothing

2B: Apparently Sakurai was hanging out with one of the people involved with Nier. This has been an indicator of Smash content in the past, like Sakurai touring Atlus, and retroactively revealing he made hung out with Toby Fox before he added Sans.

and to the opposite effect:

Doom Slayer: iD pretty overtly saying they'd never talked with Nintendo about Doomguy in Smash

Master Chief/Steve: Phil Spencer implying fans should curb their enthusiasm when it comes to Microsoft/Nintendo collaborations.

 

[osby]

Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?

1. Neat, even if I prefer Spring Man
2. Meh
3. Neutral
4. Finally, Isabelle's best friend in Smash
5. Amazing, A++ content, good civilization
6. Ew

Though, I don't find any of them particularly likely aside from maybe Min Min.

 

[7NATOR]

Master Chief/Steve: Phil Spencer implying fans should curb their enthusiasm when it comes to Microsoft/Nintendo collaborations.

Wait this is a thing that happened?

 

[Hinata]

Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?

76. Perfect choice for the ARMS rep
77. No real attachment to his games but I do like the character
78. Never played League but one of my friends would pop the **** off so I'd be happy for them
79. Eh, I could take it or leave it
80. I'd prefer Phoenix but you wouldn't hear me complaining
81. Ew, no thank you

 

[Wunderwaft]

Wait this is a thing that happened?

Phil was referring to Microsoft games being ported to the Switch as ports, and not complete collaborations. Claiming this kills the chances of any Microsoft character appearing in Smash is over blowing his original statement.

“I definitely have a ton of respect for the role that Nintendo plays, and I love having great games on their platform. I don’t really love this idea that for every one of our games, there becomes this little rumor on it ‘is it going to end up on the Switch or not.’ I feel we should set a better expectation with our fans than that.”

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?

Minmin = Meh
Rayman = Meh
Ahri = No idea who that is
Doom Slayer = Hell yeah!
Dante = Decent
Geno = Good

Overall... pretty dull first half but second half makes it better.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

With Phil's statement, it's more that some Microsoft characters might not be in Nintendo's interest if they can't make a good deal out of it. This hurts Master Chief a bit since there's no Halo games coming for the Switch, which is a strong benefit for Nintendo. That doesn't mean they won't choose him either. It just means it doesn't look that likely.

For games already coming to the Switch, or have, that might be easier to make a deal out of of. Stuff like Minecraft Dungeons is a thing to promote for Nintendo, so someone like Steve could be in their interest business-wise.

This could apply to really any kind of character. What does it do for them business-wise? Some can be exceptions like Banjo(but as noted, Minecraft did pave the way for it, so it's more likely a package deal. Get the Halo Mash-Up Pack ported over? Oh, hey, we can sell our version of Minecraft better than Sony's. Banjo also shows up to please the fans. It's all a win-win). Stuff like a Riot Games' game coming to Switch for instance would make them more interesting in a LoL character. This benefits them too overall. Just for a recent example, anyway.

 

[Megadoomer]

Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?

I don't know much about ARMS, but Min Min was more interesting than Spring Man for me, at least based on what I played of the trial version, so I'd be okay with that. (even with the free trial, ARMS never really hooked me, so I don't have strong feelings about it)

I haven't played much of League of Legends, though I at least recognize Ahri's name. I sincerely doubt these rumours (since literally anyone could guess that we'd get a spirit event based around an upcoming release), but I'd be neutral on this pick - I don't know much about the game, and the few times that I've tried getting into it have discouraged me from sticking with it.

The other four would be amazing. Mind you, I posted an image of my ideal fighters pass earlier (which is currently my signature) where all four of them are in it, so that might not come as a surprise. Still, I've wanted to see Geno in Smash since back in Brawl, playing through the Devil May Cry games inspired me so much that I wrote what's basically three separate move-lists for Dante (and I could probably do that much with just Devil May Cry 5 on its own), I find it baffling that Rayman hasn't been included yet since the Smash devs have gotten permission to use him for two games now, and I felt confident enough about Doomguy's chances that he was my pick for FP5 in an article on the site.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Say these were the six characters based on the rumors?

76: Minmin
77: Rayman
78: Ahri
79: Doom Slayer
80: Dante
81: Geno

What would everyone's overall thoughts be on this Pass?

I mean, it reads like the prediction of a pretty gullible Smash fan, so I kinda reject it for that reason, even if the characters themselves are pretty neat.

76. I prefer other characters but Min Min is pretty cool. An alright choice in my book, but a confusing one.
77. Don't care but good for his fans.
78. Eh, LoL's not my thing, and I dunno how I'd feel about such a heavy PC character getting in. But LoL does deserve it, I'd say.
79. If he's called Doom Slayer, 0/10. Such a dumb ****ing name.
80 and 81. True masterpicks, real genius right here.

 

[Cosmic77]

So A thought occurred to me, I want to gauge your guy's opinions

Do you think there are characters that have actual evidence for them being in? and not just, "this character is popular and requested"? I want to see what you guys think

Truth be told, no, we don't have any actual evidence that can't be easily argued against.

You could say that first-party Switch characters should be our focus after Byleth and ARMS, but as much as I'd like that, that's jumping the gun. The same logic was used for F5 after four third-parties.