Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[GoodGrief741]

But there's also a chance that we get two bad characters.

In fact there are way more characters in all of video games I wouldn't want than ones I want. So the chance of getting 2 bads is really high!

I'll take the 1 guaranteed good.

That's also a chance, yes, but I'd rather take the chance than ensure a bad character gets in.

Plus, for me, personally, the characters I hate I find really unlikely.

 

[DMTN]

Here's a question for you all: If there was a button that added your most wanted character as DLC, but pressing it also added your most hated character (that isn't already in the game) as DLC. For example, if I were to press the button, Amaterasu would be in the game, but so would Kirsty.

Would you press the button?

I would press it to secure at least one character I like. Probably Rayman or something. The first Fighters Pass only had 2 characters I care for and that was enough for me.
Least favorite would be another JRPG character, but that's gonna happen anyway.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Aight, are people thinking the Trials of Mana spirits help Sora/Neku/2B's chances at all?

I'm in the 'yes' camp, along with a Capcom and/or ArcSys rep -- due to the other 3rd party spirit events.

League of Legends character (Trials of Mana Spirit leak)

Now that, I don't believe

 

[osby]

Aight, are people thinking the Trials of Mana spirits help Sora/Neku/2B's chances at all?

Not really. SE already got two characters as DLC (once in Smash 4 and once in the first pass). We already knew they were open to adding their characters if Sakurai asks for them.

I don't think this Spirit Event changed much for any series other than Trials of Mana.

 

[Ben Holt]

Not really. SE already got two characters as DLC (once in Smash 4 and once in the first pass). We already knew they were open to adding their characters if Sakurai asks for them.

I don't think this Spirit Event changed much for any series other than Trials of Mana.

Agreed. Same for Resident Evil and Capcom.

 

[Will]

Aight, are people thinking the Trials of Mana spirits help Sora/Neku/2B's chances at all?

as much as any other random third party series helped said third party company

which is none

 

[SKX31]

Here's a question for you all: If there was a button that added your most wanted character as DLC, but pressing it also added your most hated character (that isn't already in the game) as DLC. For example, if I were to press the button, Amaterasu would be in the game, but so would Kirsty.

Would you press the button?

I'd honestly be fully okay with that. Both my most and least wanted are from one of my favorite games - Dota 2.

I have no idea if the Smash community would survive though - since my least wanted is infamous in Dota 2 for laying invisible mines / traps everywhere and having (a half-)Kamikaze on demand. Even picking them when playing pubs alone can cause allies to RQ. Apply that to Smash and they'd threaten to wreck the game's balance even casually*.

*(I'm putting this asterisk here since Sakurai could theoretically find a way, true. Would still be more -y than Ness. I also think the other big MOBA troll pick - - would also be -inducing for different reasons)

 

[Evil Trapezium]

as much as any other random third party series helped said third party company

which is none

Minecraft helped Microsoft form a relationship with Nintendo and got Banjo & Kazooie into Smash.

https://www.dualshockers.com/minecraft-banjo-kazooie-smash-brothers-ultimate/

 

[Will]

Minecraft helped Microsoft form a relationship with Nintendo and got Banjo & Kazooie into Smash.

https://www.dualshockers.com/minecraft-banjo-kazooie-smash-brothers-ultimate/

not what i'm saying, unless minecraft got smash spirits i ain't seeing

if my post sounds silly here's someone who said the exact same thing before me

Not really. SE already got two characters as DLC (once in Smash 4 and once in the first pass). We already knew they were open to adding their characters if Sakurai asks for them.

I don't think this Spirit Event changed much for any series other than Trials of Mana.

 

[Garteam]

I'm about 95% fake and 5% real on Cacodemon.

Is it real? Probably not, especially with Doom Marine deconfirmed and the fact we've gone two waves without seeing either costume. However, we don't know how early costumes are worked on in advance, so it could be that these two could be saved for a far later date. Plus, no one has really been able to make costumes of that quality thus far. We've come close, with a decent looking Mallow, but we're still not quite there yet.

 

[Will]

I'm about 95% fake and 5% real on Cacodemon.

Is it real? Probably not, especially with Doom Marine deconfirmed and the fact we've gone two waves without seeing either costume. However, we don't know how early costumes are worked on in advance, so it could be that these two could be saved for a far later date. Plus, no one has really been able to make costumes of that quality thus far. We've come close, with a decent looking Mallow, but we're still not quite there yet.

Hasn't it been three months since Cacamallow?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Hasn't it been three months since Cacamallow?

That dumb leak came before Terry released in October, so it's been 6 months and 2 characters have fully released since it supposedly revealed itself with the next fighter still 2 months away that isn't related to either one of those Mii costumes. It's fake as ****.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

At this rate it’s pretty obvious Cacomallow is an elaborate mod IMO

didn’t some modder show it was possible to make modded hats have jiggle effects?

 

[Curious Villager]

I'm about 95% fake and 5% real on Cacodemon.

Is it real? Probably not, especially with Doom Marine deconfirmed and the fact we've gone two waves without seeing either costume. However, we don't know how early costumes are worked on in advance, so it could be that these two could be saved for a far later date. Plus, no one has really been able to make costumes of that quality thus far. We've come close, with a decent looking Mallow, but we're still not quite there yet.

Closest thing we probably have to go off of is the timespan between when the Cuphead dev's had that interview asking for Cuphead in Smash and the Cuphead Mii costume reveal.

Which wasn't too long if I recall, especially if you take into account the fact that the Byleth presentation was recorded in November.

Eitherway though, the Cacomallow thing is most likely fake at this point, yes.

 

[Will]

That dumb leak came before Terry released in October, so it's been 6 months and 2 characters have fully released since it supposedly revealed itself with the next fighter still 2 months away that isn't related to either one of those Mii costumes. It's fake as ****.

I knew it was six months in my heart, I just wasn't sure if time passed that quickly.

But yeah, Cacamallow is obviously just another Grinch leak situation because we'll never know whodunit.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's probably fake, but we have zero actual time frames to know when Mii Costumes are made in advance(or I thought we did, heh. Clearly that's wrong. My bad). Thus, it taking a while isn't really that good of a point. We have no clue what development is like. That could just be it's leaked proof of concept that they couldn't license in the end as well. Without the actual person coming out and showing us remotely how it's done(including various pictures or a video that matches up), we're still in the dark in reality.

Also, no, you don't need Doomslayer to get the costumes either. Cacodemon is one of the monster mascots and could literally be the only costumes Doom can get without issues. Licensing isn't "get everything" by default. Sometimes you don't get a lot. FF is pretty hefty proof of that too.

I'm more like 80% fake now, but there's really zero hard evidence on it being fake, just a gut feeling. We probably won't see it at any point. We may hear of it by Sakurai if Doom gets content later, so it's development stuff he's allowed to say. He doesn't exactly speak on every development factor ever, as some things can also make a company look bad, and that's not a smart thing to ever say. That only hurts the relationship.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Closest thing we probably have to go off of is the timespan between when the Cuphead dev's had that interview asking for Cuphead in Smash and the Cuphead Mii costume reveal.

Which wasn't too long if I recall, especially if you take into account the fact that the Byleth presentation was recorded in November.

Eitherway though, the Cacomallow thing is most likely fake at this point, yes.

The creator asking for Cuphead happened in March, more than half a year before November.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

It's probably fake, but we have zero actual time frames to know when Mii Costumes are made in advance. Thus, it taking a while isn't really that good of a point. We have no clue what development is like. That could just be it's leaked proof of concept that they couldn't license in the end as well. Without the actual person coming out and showing us remotely how it's done(including various pictures or a video that matches up), we're still in the dark in reality.

Also, no, you don't need Doomslayer to get the costumes either. Cacodemon is one of the monster mascots and could literally be the only costumes Doom can get without issues. Licensing isn't "get everything" by default. Sometimes you don't get a lot. FF is pretty hefty proof of that too.

I'm more like 80% fake now, but there's really zero hard evidence on it being fake, just a gut feeling. We probably won't see it at any point. We may hear of it by Sakurai if Doom gets content later, so it's development stuff he's allowed to say. He doesn't exactly speak on every development factor ever, as some things can also make a company look bad, and that's not a smart thing to ever say. That only hurts the relationship.

Best case scenario is that this costume was in a finished state almost 9 months prior to its release if they were to release both with the ARMS character which would also mean that we weren't getting fighters like Geno or Doom Slayer at all (which is overwhelmingly why people even cared and tried to position it as real in the first place). The next fighter was almost certainly targeting around a September release date prior to the COVID-19 situation, so these costumes would have been completed for around 11-12 months prior to this leak and at that point 4 full fighters away from the initial leak. Again, in a playtesting capacity 1 year prior to release of a Mii Costume in an already fairly suspicious video that was only testing those two costumes seemingly.

I really don't think it's the best idea to suspend your disbelief to that degree. You just wouldn't be playtesting content like that so incredibly far in advance, play testing is more or less the last thing you do in any development process and you want to do it with the version of the game you're releasing that content with as opposed to a version that will be outdated by 3 or 4 versions at actual release.

 

[Curious Villager]

The creator asking for Cuphead happened in March, more than half a year before November.

So about 8 months assuming the Cuphead dev's weren't contacted yet between then.

While the cacomallow rumour came out in November in an already presentable looking state until maybe June, assuming they won't get a character along with them.
If not then its a bit odd to have these costumes ready this far in advance before a number of other characters, but that's probably just me...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Best case scenario is that this costume was in a finished state almost 9 months prior to its release if they were to release both with the ARMS character which would also mean that we weren't getting fighters like Geno or Doom Slayer at all (which is overwhelmingly why people even cared and tried to position it as real in the first place). The next fighter was almost certainly targeting around a September release date prior to the COVID-19 situation, so these costumes would have been completed for around 11-12 months prior to this leak and at that point 4 full fighters away from the initial leak. Again, in a playtesting capacity 1 year prior to release of a Mii Costume in an already fairly suspicious video that was only testing those two costumes seemingly.

I really don't think it's the best idea to suspend your disbelief to that degree. You just wouldn't be playtesting content like that so incredibly far in advance, play testing is more or less the last thing you do in any development process and you want to do it with the version of the game you're releasing that content with as opposed to a version that will be outdated by 3 or 4 versions at actual release.

The best case scenario is also a fairly reasonable scenario.

The whole "you won't be playtesting that much in advance" isn't really how it works. It was almost entirely meant to come with ARMS in the first place, which has been taking very very long. It's literally only one more character at this point after it was leaked in a close to finished state. The time frame doesn't matter since it hard depends upon a character coming out. Yes, it could mean Geno isn't coming too. Geno could even be a costume with ARMS as well for all we know.

But we already know it can be in testing or held back anyway for well over 6 months. 8 months isn't even that long in this case. We don't know exactly when it could've been licensed. We have no reason to believe them not asking for Doomslayer has any effect whatsoever here, since that's all they said. They didn't say "no Doom content" despite what some have literally tried to paint it as. There's really nothing going actually against this leak that's highly strong right now as a point. That doesn't mean people should blindly believe in it. It's literally a meme that it's real in the Geno thread. It's actually pretty doubted due to the massive timeframe(which as I said, isn't a good indicator of anything. We've seen massive timeframes clearly exist).

Also, Byleth was recorded in November as is. It's quite possible they weren't in a finished state for the entire Mii costume pack planned with Byleth, so weren't thrown in at that point.

So about 8 months assuming the Cuphead dev's weren't contacted yet between then.

While the cacomallow rumour came out in November in an already presentable looking state until maybe June, assuming they won't get a character along with them.
If not then its a bit odd to have these costumes ready this far in advance before a number of other characters, but that's probably just me...

We also have to account for literally it only skipping one character at this point before it'd be ready. So it's not actually that long in reality. Byleth it was unlikely to be completely ready. That leaves ARMS. A timeframe wouldn't matter as is in that regard. It wouldn't have been ready entirely for Terry when we're quite aware how long they tend to be ready before they come out. So it skipping one character? That's not that weird at all.

The months added don't mean anything. They don't release Mii costumes outside of characters, after all.

Or basically, there's no point in looking at timeframes as it's more related to "why'd they skip Byleth?". We don't know. It actually might've not been ready before any of the Byleth costumes either. Byleth was recorded in November, after all. I mean, the fact stuff can happen start 7 months in advance shows already that "it's taking too long" is no longer a strong point at all.

(If not obvious, the new information noted changes my view a bit. I don't think it's likely real, but at least the "taking a while to come out" has a better timeframe that I know of, which means the idea it could be a while isn't unprecedented).

 

[Curious Villager]

We also have to account for literally it only skipping one character at this point before it'd be ready. So it's not actually that long in reality. Byleth it was unlikely to be completely ready. That leaves ARMS. A timeframe wouldn't matter as is in that regard. It wouldn't have been ready entirely for Terry when we're quite aware how long they tend to be ready before they come out. So it skipping one character? That's not that weird at all.

The months added don't mean anything. They don't release Mii costumes outside of characters, after all.

Or basically, there's no point in looking at timeframes as it's more related to "why'd they skip Byleth?". We don't know. It actually might've not been ready before any of the Byleth costumes either. Byleth was recorded in November, after all. I mean, the fact stuff can happen start 7 months in advance shows already that "it's taking too long" is no longer a strong point at all.

Didn't they turn up before Terry came out and his mii costume set was revealed? Granted it was by two day's, but still, that's two character sets they skipped so far technically. ARMS would be the third if they don't show up there.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Irene

It's probably fake, but we have zero actual time frames to know when Mii Costumes are made in advance.

Also Irene

The best case scenario is also a fairly reasonable scenario, I can tell because I know for a fact

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Didn't they turn up before Terry came out and his mii costume set was revealed? Granted it was by two day's, but still, that's two character sets they skipped so far technically. ARMS would be the third if they don't show up there.

Terry and Byleth weren't exactly recorded far apart either. Like, whatsoever. They were effectively done at the same time. If it wasn't ready by Terry, it wouldn't have been ready by Byleth either.

As I said, if you look at the Cuphead costume, which was at least 5 or so months in advance, the costumes here wouldn't have been hard ready to launch just yet. The one right after Byleth makes sense however within that timeframe, which, if it was released anywhere near close to normally what the others one were, it'd be out already with barely 5 or 6 months already ready to go. Give or take some numbers. ARMS may not have been delayed, but it's very easy to plan it out for the next Fighter's Pass, which we're waiting almost a half-year since Byleth. Even if it technically skipped two characters, the earliest it could've been is at best February if it was about 2-3 characters per month. FP2 however is being stretched out over 2 full years with 6 characters. It makes sense why it's taking forever to come out. It was just planned with a character who is taking a while to come out.

It's not a special timeframe thing, it was just a bad idea to plan to use the costumes with ARMS. Now if it doesn't come with ARMS, I'll be suspicious. But this doesn't feel weird at all.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I think at this point Cacomallow is fake. I feel if it were real it would had been revealed long ago.

 

[Curious Villager]

Terry and Byleth weren't exactly recorded far apart either. Like, whatsoever. They were effectively done at the same time. If it wasn't ready by Terry, it wouldn't have been ready by Byleth either.

As I said, if you look at the Cuphead costume, which was at least 5 or so months in advance, the costumes here wouldn't have been hard ready to launch just yet. The one right after Byleth makes sense however within that timeframe, which, if it was released anywhere near close to normally what the others one were, it'd be out already with barely 5 or 6 months already ready to go. Give or take some numbers. ARMS may not have been delayed, but it's very easy to plan it out for the next Fighter's Pass, which we're waiting almost a half-year since Byleth. Even if it technically skipped two characters, the earliest it could've been is at best February if it was about 2-3 characters per month. FP2 however is being stretched out over 2 full years with 6 characters. It makes sense why it's taking forever to come out. It was just planned with a character who is taking a while to come out.

It's not a special timeframe thing, it was just a bad idea to plan to use the costumes with ARMS. Now if it doesn't come with ARMS, I'll be suspicious. But this doesn't feel weird at all.

I guess its a matter of waiting and seeing I suppose, though I'm personally not feeling it..

I'll give it until we see the ARMS set, by then we'll probably also see who fighter 7 is anyway, maybe...

 

[chocolatejr9]

Say, has anybody heard anything about developers holding what were supposed to be their E3 presentations in May? I saw somebody trying to make a theory that the next Direct will be in May rather than June, and they mentioned that, but I haven't seen anything about it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Never mind I misread

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Say, has anybody heard anything about developers holding what were supposed to be their E3 presentations in May? I saw somebody trying to make a theory that the next Direct will be in May rather than June, and they mentioned that, but I haven't seen anything about it.

First I've heard of this, but as you said it's a theory I doubt it, if people were making E3 plans well enough in advance I honestly expect them to air it at when E3 was planned for tradition's sake

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Say, has anybody heard anything about developers holding what were supposed to be their E3 presentations in May? I saw somebody trying to make a theory that the next Direct will be in May rather than June, and they mentioned that, but I haven't seen anything about it.

That's honestly wishful thinking. Its gonna be June and it'll be here as soon as you know. We're just 43-50 days/6 or 7 weeks away.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Say, has anybody heard anything about developers holding what were supposed to be their E3 presentations in May? I saw somebody trying to make a theory that the next Direct will be in May rather than June, and they mentioned that, but I haven't seen anything about it.

That would tie in to how mini Nintendo Directs not for specific games tend to be one-two months before a full Direct.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think at this point Cacomallow is fake. I feel if it were real it would had been revealed long ago.

There's no time to reveal it wasn't ready by Byleth. It'd be ARMS or nothing.

I guess its a matter of waiting and seeing I suppose, though I'm personally not feeling it..

I'll give it until we see the ARMS set, by then we'll probably also see who fighter 7 is anyway, maybe...

Oh, I agree. If it's not by ARMS, it was either fake or a scrapped proof of concept. ARMS at least does give it a slight chance. They aren't going to full reveal another set of costumes either.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That would tie in to how mini Nintendo Directs not for specific games tend to be one-two months before a full Direct.

Just one problem - they explicitly said the ARMS character’s identity would be revealed in June.

then again Piranha Plant launched in January 2019 as opposed to its projected Feb 2019 deadline

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Just one problem - they explicitly said the ARMS character’s identity would be revealed in June.

then again Piranha Plant launched in January 2019 as opposed to its projected Feb 2019 deadline

And released too. We're getting ARMS fully in June. Though the release date could be pushed back if they have to. Hopefully not.

It seems more like releases tend to get pushed back, but reveals rarely do. Development takes a lot longer than a showcase video, of course, so that makes sense.

 

[SKX31]

Minecraft helped Microsoft form a relationship with Nintendo and got Banjo & Kazooie into Smash.

https://www.dualshockers.com/minecraft-banjo-kazooie-smash-brothers-ultimate/

Found a couple pieces of the original Games Industry article pretty interesting:

"We made games very differently back then," says O'Connor. "I remember my time in the Conker barn. It was just the Conker team and we weren't really with anyone else. It meant I got very close with that team, and we still call each other the Conker team. But what's different now, is we know everybody. We can wander around all of the barns.

"We had this amazing all-hands meeting last Friday. That's when I really noticed how much Rare has changed. A couple of us did a little talk about what we're working on, and the support we got was incredible. It was genuinely caring. Joe [Neate, Sea of Thieves executive producer] is super excited about what we're doing with Everwild, and we are super excited about what they are doing.

"That's the biggest difference. Back in the day, it was quite competitive. We wanted to beat the rest. It's not like that anymore."

While the internal changes within Rare have been well known and documented for a long time, it's a positive thing to see them - at least - in a much better position now than they were 10 years ago, aka the Kinect days.

Prodger says: "Our legacy is part of who we are. It is important for us to have that role in those processes. We have people that worked on Banjo, and even people who worked on the original Battletoads. We have that history and knowledge so that we think we can make those experiences better and more authentic. These brands are ours and we do care."

Prodger refers to Battletoads as an 'interesting experiment', which begs the question, if this goes well, could we start seeing other Rare classics return via other indie studios?

Duncan pauses: "You've got to look at the right opportunity. If we said yes to everything that came across our table, we'd end up in a horrible place with our old IP. So we try to be selective." [sic]

"Battletoads was a Venn diagram of the right opportunity at the right time. We knew the team at Dlala pretty well. They've done work on some UI stuff for Sea of Thieves. They had a previous project that had some really interesting hand-drawn animation tech. [Dlala boss] Aj [Grand-Scrutton] is a big Battletoads fan. So you hit that perfect moment, where we had the right tech, the right team with a passion for the IP, and we had a trust relationship... so we thought there was an opportunity to try something.

"The process is then to assess it and work out if it fits with our strategy. It's easy to be busy on multiple things, but what is the real worthwhile thing to do?"

Fully agreeing with Duncan there - regardless of classic IP you can't just agree to everything willy-nilly. Another revival is an open possibility here, which is the most important part. Really, if I may speculate: what's keeping B-K back from getting another game right now is likely that there are no collect-a-thon studios willing to work with Rare yet. At least not Playtonic given they reinvented Yooka-Laylee into a side-scroller. A couple years down the line though? Could certainly happen.

Not too sure how the new Battletoads is actually shaping up (wasn't it recieved kind of coldly last E3?) but the revival - along with Sea of Thieves being generally pretty successful - could do a lot for Rare.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Day 2 of asking if Vergeben was able to verify that LoL thing or not

... you can tell I’m bored, even work is slowing to a crawl

 

[TechPowah]

League getting into Smash would definitely be a strange breath of fresh air, i'll give you that
but it's gonna give them all the ammo in the world to force me to watch yet another Youtube ad of some storyteller animator giving me a cartoon about why i should definitely play this game i have no interest for
so let's not have that

and as far as Rayman goes, i honestly just
don't have the strength to hope anymore
we've been burned like 3 times now, let us rest
i already have to cling onto the idea that Spring Man might still make it

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Day 2 of asking if Vergeben was able to verify that LoL thing or not

... you can tell I’m bored, even work is slowing to a crawl

Come on you can do it. Just another 43-50 days/6-7 weeks away!

 

[7NATOR]

Cacomallow is a weird leak. No one has gotten to the exact quality of those mii Costumes with modding after all these months, so it seem like that's a big case of it being real. Since the leak was revealed in November, the same month as Byleth Presentation recording it would make sense why they haven't shown up yet because they were probably getting tested still.

However Nintendo has shown no willingness to take it down after all, did they ever try taking down videos of the Ken Leak when that happened for Base game, since i feel that leak is the most similar to this one. If so, then it's even weirder they are leaving Cacomallow leak up for so long yet taking down Mod video of a certain character

in either case, with that interview about Doom guy going into too much detail for NDA, even if the leak is real, there's a likely chance the conclusion is one Doomguy or Geno fans may not like, With them being Premium costumes in some form. we don't know how long those take after all

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Cacomallow is a weird leak. No one has gotten to the exact quality of those mii Costumes with modding after all these months, so it seem like that's a big case of it being real. Since the leak was revealed in November, the same month as Byleth Presentation recording it would make sense why they haven't shown up yet because they were probably getting tested still.

However Nintendo has shown no willingness to take it down after all, did they ever try taking down videos of the Ken Leak when that happened for Base game, since i feel that leak is the most similar to this one. If so, then it's even weirder they are leaving Cacomallow leak up for so long yet taking down Mod video of a certain character

in either case, with that interview about Doom guy going into too much detail for NDA, even if the leak is real, there's a likely chance the conclusion is one Doomguy or Geno fans may not like, With them being Premium costumes in some form. we don't know how long those take after all

People have made similar models with the same quality, it's that perfectly modeling and textures to make it look exactly the same is pretty much impossible

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Cacomallow is a weird leak. No one has gotten to the exact quality of those mii Costumes with modding after all these months, so it seem like that's a big case of it being real. Since the leak was revealed in November, the same month as Byleth Presentation recording it would make sense why they haven't shown up yet because they were probably getting tested still.

However Nintendo has shown no willingness to take it down after all, did they ever try taking down videos of the Ken Leak when that happened for Base game, since i feel that leak is the most similar to this one. If so, then it's even weirder they are leaving Cacomallow leak up for so long yet taking down Mod video of a certain character

in either case, with that interview about Doom guy going into too much detail for NDA, even if the leak is real, there's a likely chance the conclusion is one Doomguy or Geno fans may not like, With them being Premium costumes in some form. we don't know how long those take after all

I don't think there was any videos for the Ken leak. Just that singular picture, which Nintendo didn't take down.